THE ACOLYTE Trailer Breakdown and Controversy, Asajj Ventress Series In The Works? - THE JEDI WAY
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- On this episode of THE JEDI WAY, hosts John Rocha, Kevin Smets and special guest Frank Janisch from Scoundrels INC discuss THE ACOLYTE trailer and the Star Wars canon controversy it stirred up. Plus, they spoiler review THE BAD BATCH Season 3 Episode 8 "Bad Territory" and discuss if Nika Futterman has hinted that an Assaj Ventress series is coming from Disney and Lucasfilm?!
#starwars #theacolyte #thebadbatch
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 Intro and Rundown
1:54 The Acolyte Trailer Breakdown and Star Wars Canon Controversy
30:37 Patty Jenkins Misleads Star Wars Fans Over Rogue Squadron Return
38:34 The Bad Batch Season 3 Episode 8 Spoiler Review
51:58 Is an Asajj Ventress Animated Series in the Works at Disney?
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To quote Qui-Gonn "There's pod racing on Malastare. Very fast. Very dangerous." It was on more than Tatooine.
I appreciate Kevin’s opinion about writers not needing to be fans of the genre. It’s very mature and I agree. Clearly someone needs to be on staff the make sure the writers do not create something way off base, but over all story shouldn’t be just fan service… or you get the 2nd half of Ashoka that alienates non-fans of the Feloni-verse.
The line is "The Sith have been extinct for over a thousand years." In case anyone was wondering.
I’d LOVE if the next animated series was Asajj and Quinlan Voss out doing their thing. That book was incredible!
I’m hoping Carrie Ann Moss’s character is playing both sides like Palpatine and takes Stenberg as her apprentice. 🤞🏽🤞🏽
Bad batch is great!
I agree. I was not big into the last season, but man.....I am having a great time watching this new final season!
Loving this crew! Missing Laura for sure but this is a nice alternative. Can’t wait for Acolyte!
Frank is great to be sure. I also want to see him and Kristian eating more pizzas 😄
The complaint about TV episodes being “filler” has been rendered almost completely meaningless at this point by how much people misuse that term.
There is no such thing as a filler episode when you’re spending time with your characters and seeing them learn and experience new things.
Stories are 99% characters and 1% plot. You can have the most mind-blowing, intricately plotted story ever conceived and if it’s not happening to characters you care about then it literally doesn’t matter at all, you may as well just read a Wikipedia article for the episode.
Wanting everything to be so rigidly devoted to endgame plot is just not what storytelling is about, there’s no emotion to that.
Totally fair assessment. I know many people who loved the episode. Just wasn't my thing. But I respect your points they're all valid! - Kevin
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We have seen a Marvel show with Avengers alive but they never appear on the show.. it’s called Agents of Shield. It completely hampered the show to exist along side the Avengers but never interact with them.
Maybe Ventress will be in Star Wars Outlaws? She is a bounty hunter.
Ventress should be like.....30 around Clone Wars, so she shouldnt be born yet in Acolyte
Clearly the sith were alive and kicking during this time- otherwise how could the emperor be a sith already during the time of the prequels
With Asajj back in Bad Batch my headcanon theory that Shin is the love child of Ventress and Quinlan Vos can actually be true.
If she ever appears in live-action, which she should, here are my casting ideas for an older Asajj Ventress:
- Cate Blanchett
- Uma Thurman
- Angelina Jolie
For a younger Asajj:
- Evan Rachel Wood
- Cara Delevingne
- Margot Robbie (not realistic but had to mention)
- Lauren Cohan (Maggie of TWD)
- Anya Taylor-Joy (Queen's Gambit. My top choice for Ventress)
- Sadie Sink (Max of Stranger Things)
Cate and Anya would be absolutely bonkers. 🔥🔥
@@LORDS.And.Hammers Cate was my first choice for an older Ventress.
Angelina would be great too but not as realistic and she'd be more recognizable than Blanchett who I feel would disappear into the role.
Anya would be the sickest. She has that intensity along with the perfect face and build where she looks like an animated character and Assajj Vetress already.
Shin definitely had opinions about witches (which would make an Asajj connection very interesting)
Mundi’s line of the sith not around for a thousand years is proven wrong by Yoda who says there are always two sith a master and apprentice.
Because the rule of two was created by Bane a thousand years ago after the sith war .
Bane realized they lost because if there are more than 2 sith they will be always fighting for power amongst themselves.
So the rule of two was created to reform the Sith snd help the grow in strength in the shadows .
Yoda would not know about this unless the Jedi ran into some Sith in the last thousand years and found out the new rules of the Sith .
Pretty sure Frank will like anything SF Star Wars throws out there.
Initially I too was a bit puzzled w/ the amount of time devoted to Hunter & Wrecker going on a bounty mission that has seemingly nothing to do w/ the rest of the season when the plot pieces it puts in play could’ve been achieved by other means. But then considered that they are disarming & combatting the dangers beneath the surface which parallels Crosshair back on Pabu… 🤷♂️
When they got on the space “swamp/bayou boat” I immediately thought of Heart of Darkness / Apocalypse Now also cuz of course George was originally gonna do Apocalypse in Cali for Zoetrope (Francis) but opted not to for a little project he was workin’ on about some space wizards…
It’s also worth noting that even eps like last seasons Faster & S1’s Infested that were derided as being egregious “filler” were later revealed to have set up things that came in to play down the road. Not to invalidate the point, just saying’…🤷♂️
Bad Batch is 🔥!!!!!!
Kevin...that was a cute ending to the show. Thanks guys!
Great show!
I didnt realize there was even controversy around the Acolyte trailer (but go figure lol)
crazy times, that people go absolutely bat **** crazy over a 1 min trailer, and completely destroy something before even trying out the story. lololol. good times
myself, and all my family and friends who saw it were all pretty excited, and very much looking forward to June 4th. Cant wait!
speculate responsibly people!
I'm always down for Nightsisters.
Henson's kid's company would handle that Muppets Take Spring Break movie. He did The Happytime Murders.
My theory for how they could keep the cannon about the Sith being gone, is that you have a Sith manipulating things from the sideline. Perhaps turning some Jedi to the dark side but not getting directly involved in fighting the Jedi themselves; they remain hidden during the events of the Acolyte. The council never realizes there is a Sith pulling the strings, which is why they don't believe the Sith have returned. As far as I'm aware a Jedi that has turned to the dark side is not necessarily a Sith.
"Someone is killing Jedi"...it sounds like they are directly engaging Jedi in combat. I'm curious about this as well, but like a lot of canon things, I'm sure the new show will just gloss over it and do whatever they want.
Rocha, the different colored light sabers are great. Frank Janisch needs a Rian Johnson trilogy like I do and frankly what happened? Didn't we all want/need it after TLJ being Frank's ESB? Money Talks
Thanks for the time stamps! Keeps the spoilers away. 🙂
Assaj probably gonna show up in one of the star wars videogames
I loved the Acolyte Trailer I was blown away! 😊❤
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Prequels showed us the Jedi were not infallible and had many flaws .
They also covered up information like using the clone army even though their creation was questionable at best.
So the Jedi themselves could have covered up this incident to not make themselves look weak .
Love the show my brothas!! Always good to see Frankie numbaz an the SMASHER as always❤❤
Thank you! - Kev
The Acolyte: Sith Rising 😃
It always fascinated to me the people who complain about the Bad Batch "filler" episodes, also loved Mando first two seasons and were lukewarm on season 3, where that show is 85% "filler".
That don’t look like Laura Kelly! 😂
Nothing gets by you! 😂
Smets are you a Lostie? I like you even more after that Lost comment.
I'm in a pedantic mood. Herod was trying to kill Jesus.
Star Wars fans need to relize that if it’s live action it’s canon. If it’s a movie then it’s even more canon. All the rest is there to read/play/watch for fun
Star Wars fans also need to realize that a majority of the public doesn't give AF about it and that George Lucas changed canon all the time.
@@JohnRochaSaysAlso true
Kevin is having an aneurysm
Hahaha you’re not far off! 😂 - Kevin
@@SmashCityStudios 🤣🤣🤣 kev, my guy, little worried about you lol!
Time to take a vacation to Niamos! or Naboo!@@Quandryification
Did the average person know about M counts ? I doubt it as I bet the Jedi kept that information pretty close to the vest
Good point!
Agree, it would diminish their power & influence to explain it to the outside world in this scientific way
If the timeframe of Acolyte is 50-100 years before TPM, could this be the story of Darth Plagueis or whoever becomes Sheev’s master?
Someone more knowledgeable might know, but Sheev struck me as being in his 50s or so during the PT? So, whoever trained him, Plagueis or otherwise, would likely have been around or come into their power as a Sith.
I know the canon is that the Jedi hadn’t seen Sith in a thousand years or whatever, but for Sheev and Maul to exist by TPM (oh, Frank just brought up Plagueis), the Sith and the Rule of Two had to have persisted unless the Acolyte or whomever maybe makes the discovery of the “old” Sith ways?
I’m looking forward to the series, but my only wish was, if anything, that this was more removed from the Skywalker saga timeline? It still feels like it’s setting up the fall to the fall of the Jedi (and republic) and I’m ok exploring eras and characters completely removed from PTOTST.
I think we have to realize SW cannon has more holes than Swiss cheese. Trying to figure out where to squeeze in Plagus is ultimately a pointless task, because neither Lucas or Kennedy seem to care all that much. Unfortunately when it comes to world building Lucas is closer to the creators of Lost than the creator of Lord the Rings.
The only thing about Plageus that is canon is his name
so hoping the sith character is keanu reeves
Was thinking the exact same thing re: the appearance of pod racing units. Always bothers me too when they mention specific animal species on one planet that come from another planet! Nitpicky of course, but little details can make the worlds seem more real or less real and expand the galaxy versus making the galaxy smaller...
15 episodes not 18..
Im actually cruious as to what has patty been doing all this time since ww84 because why finally now work on the draft
Maybe she has been working on a script but the writers strike out a wrinkle in things.
Re: Mother Aniseya, I found it interesting that there’s a scene in this trailer of her flanked by others w/ her arms at her sides w/ hands open, palms facing out. If one searches SWdtcm for The Path of the Open Hand (from phase 2 of the High Republic) & plays the Mother vid, the very first image displayed of her is exactly the same. 🤔... Direct or indirect reference 🤷♂️ but we shall see.... It’s also worth noting that Aniseya & Mae (Amandla) are both wearing purple.
The Acolyte may not be a Sith reference at all. Rather an Acolyte of the descendants of The Path of the Open Hand who foster/“rebirth” into the galaxy the Sith against the Jedi. Or something along those lines. 🤷♂️
Mae is derived from May (the month), which itself is derived from Maia, the Roman goddess of growth and motherhood.
Sol was also a Roman god/personification of the sun / the sun-god Apollo (god of light, truth, prophecy, etc).
Great stuff, there.
Moses and Jesus flip flop.
The only complaints I've seen is conservatives not liking it because a mostly minority cast and that is getting ridiculous and old there is no room for hate in this world 🌍
Let me correct you, it’s not hate, it is criticism. Ever heard of it? Listen, you don’t understand what we are trying to do. We are not hating on minorities or woman, stop with these excuses. Representation is great, it’s amazing but studios like Disney or Sony are absolutely terrible at it and mess up. It is forced and unnecessary now. They are even comparable of doing representation correctly, look at the first Black Panther or Django Unchained. I think Shang-Chi is average, but it isn’t woke at all. Please understand what we are trying to do, because you don’t have a good idea about it.
Could Rogue Squadron become a limited series with 8-10 episodes or a limited series with 3 seasons and 8 episodes. What do we think? Really developing characters and a big mission in the outer rim planets.
Please no! Let's get back to the theaters my friend! I miss my SW on a giant screne thats not in my metaQuest VR set! haha - Kevin
Calm down man, it's just a droid, they're allowed to be available anywhere 😄😄😄😄 Sounds like Kevin needs to meditate with Crossy & Omega🤭🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hahaa you ain’t wrong! I could use some meditation! 😅 - Kevin
There is definitely planetary trade. I’m sure there are planets that specialize in Droid production & export them
I like that explanation I can go with it -Kevin
@@kellyvalence5323
Rogue Squadron is a nothing burger. She'll turn in the script. They give her a check. Then put it in a cabinet somewhere.
Is the Acolyte main character just Reva 2.0? Seems like such a similar character? "Someone is killing Jedi"...just like Inquisitors do....former Padawan goes dark...just like Reva...etc. Same thing just 100 years earlier.
I’m with Kevin on this. I don’t see the negativity on this show. Not sure why anyone who loves Star Wars would follow those ‘fans’ who hate on everything seemingly just for the sake of it. It doesn’t feel good having that kind of toxicity filling up your feed.
Yeah I don't pay attention or recognize the toxic idiots who calls themselves true fans that hates on everything but yet still watch it. I do it for me and myself. Then hello who cares about canon because this is new era
I can tell you why I see it, because a lot of old school fans of SW are of a specific demographic who grew up in an era where 99% of media catered to them. I’m an old school fan, but I’m a racial minority who always looked for myself in SW and other media. If SW wants to grow and bring in new and younger people like Laura and young folks of different backgrounds, it is just common sense to reflect that in the actors cast.
I think the issue isn’t about certain fans… the issue is that the writing on 90% of the shows in the last 3 years has been horrid except for Andor. If this show was on that level of quality it will be great.
But after hearing the episodes are only 30 minutes I’m not too confident they will be able to develop the story well enough. We shall see though
@@majorlazor5058not true I am an older fan and find them deplorable. What they are doing is grifting for views and money . Right now hate gets you views on you tube . Watch some of these haters older videos and they are completely different but once they found the grift they steered into it
@@Dxnttv That’s high expectation considering Andor’s writing is better than the writing of any SW film including the original trilogy.
We have rose colored glasses when looking back at the films from the 70’s and 80’s. They are written closer to the Mandalorian than they are Andor.
Sadly I’m not in sync with you guys, I didn’t like the trailer, nothing to do with a female lead or anything like that. It’s just that I expected to focus more on her and on the dark side, and I thought that it was way too Jedi centric, which I don’t get with a show called Acolyte.
I hope the second trailer changes my opinion of the show, I’m gonna watch it regardless but I had a different image in my mind of what to expect from a show where the protagonist is related to the Sith. Star Wars had made some choices that I don’t agree with since Disney took over.
But it had to do with their scripts, Force Awakens was a simply copy/paste but the movie was fun so I didn’t care, the second one was ok, the last one I only saw one time. I love the first two seasons of Mandalorian and the first and last episode of the last season. Obi was a waste of time, so was Bobba. Andor and Rogué One are just out of this world.
And I have great hopes for Acolyte, but the trailer did let me down
@JohnRochaSays Just because I'm concerned about a potential break of canon does not mean I'm part of that hateful group of assholes. My criticism of Disney Star Wars has always been based on the technical aspects of what they've put out. And that's the majority of those who criticize by the way.
Please don't make the mistake Disney made when they lumped fans like me in with fans like those. That decision, & the fact that they still haven't stopped, is a large part of why Star Wars is damn near dead. People really need to stop doing that. It pisses us off.
Damn near dead making $6.5B??? Do you even hear yourself before you type stuff?
Don’t YOU make the mistake of lumping the critical Star Wars fans with the mainstream fans who couldn’t give a shit about canon and just want to enjoy themselves. Those are the people helping these films and shows and merchandise make money.
Bumblebee got transformers right and the fans loved it….and it made the least amount of money of any transformers movie up to that point. Listening to critical fans ain’t always the way to go.
@JohnRochaSays Come on John. We both know you're smarter than that. Bumblee was The Marvels of the Transformers world. A movie that was actually decent, but preceded by so much crap nobody cared anymore. And that's what's been happening with Star Wars. You can see it in the viewership on D+. The trailer views online. Likes & dislikes can't be trusted. All the numbers are going down. So yes. Star Wars is dying. They're not just losing the hait waters, whom we can definitely do without. They're losing core fans too. And when you lose core fans, the normies follow because we're not getting them hyped by virtue of our own hype. That's the bowl Disney as a whole is currently swirling down. That $6.5B doesn't tell the true story. The story that most of that was made before 2020 & the entire franchise has had slowly diminishing returns since that point. It's most definitely dying.
Patti Jenkins comments have achieved something, people are talking about this project that was considered completely dead, fans are chiming in that they want to see it & she is reinforcing her association with it…. So if it does happen, it won’t move forward without her. Which is definitely something we’ve seen Lucasfilm doing to other directors & writers
Anytime a show has major reshoots/rewrites its usually a foreboding sign. I didnt hate the trailer but I was underwhelmed by it especially after that first poster they released.
I don’t know if I agree with this. It depends on when these rewrites occur. If the rewrites happen within a month of filming or during filming… yeah.. red flag, but if it’s months before filming it’s generally not a big deal.
Not sure if the following is more appropriate for a Jeff Schneider podcast, but much of the pushback to The Acolyte stems from Leslye Headland’s prior stint as Harvey Weinstein’s personal assistant. Despite there being no proof of her being implicated in any foul play, the assumption being parroted is that Headland facilitated his behaviour. It would be worth assessing these claims, especially via someone like Schneider.
2 easy ways to avoid breaking canon. All the Jedi die. Or the Jedi only see the Acolyte and not the master & the acolyte dies. Pretty simple. And if they can't achieve that, they would all need to go. Because they would be massively incompetent.
I just looked at the likes vs dislikes on the trailer. And it doesn’t look good for the show to say the least 😅
@zaywhitt502 certain Star Wars will hate anything because it’s Disney whether that’s fair or not and some CZcams channels get rage viewers on their channel to go dislike any Star Wars content it’s brainwashing/cult like behavior this type of behavior is expected at this point no matter what the quality is
@@Jeremy32MillerThe whole cult argument could be made against you for watching youtubers that are star wars shills. The same shills that refuse to state their actual opinions, out of fear of losing early access and being uninvited to early screenings. The fact of the matter is, SW is a dying franchise. It's lost millions of fans. People have had enough of the identity politics destroying franchises they love. Tens of millions of people went to watch the force awakens and now Disney can barely pull in a million viewers an episode, all in the short span of a couple of years. Unbelievable.
@@YoYoYo-xi7or they deserved to be called out if so doing that it’s hard to judge that compared to rage bait channels
First?
We need a Patty cut of Wonder Woman 84
Pretty sure we got it. WB lets her have more control on 84’. For example Jenkins was very proud of the flying scene, but in DCEU Wonder Woman clearly does not fly in the present.
@@majorlazor5058 i want to let Patty Jenkins fly but the studios and $$$$ are holding her back. Patty and Ryan are the Alcatraz of SW ironically imprisoned in the Bay Area.
Dune 2 is just good?!?!? It’s great 💯
Its the fact that this isnt gonna be good By past evidence lol
The episodes are gonna be 22 mins long. This is a waste of time. This should be a movie or at least hour long. They are telling you its gonna be shit.