2024 Toyota Tacoma Chief Engineer on new engine reliability and more...
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- This is a Motormouth couple car video with Sheldon Brown, Chief Engineer of the all-new 2024 Toyota Tacoma mid-size pickup truck. The 2024 Toyota Tacoma has a new 2.4L turbo 4-cylinder replacing the old V^. Sheldon talks about how Toyota made the new engine reliable and goes through the major changes for 2024
There are two powertrain options, the standard engine is a 2.4L turbocharged 4-cylinder with an 8-speed automatic transmission, 278 horsepower and 317 lb-ft of torque. There is also a 6-speed manual transmission with automatic rev matching and anti-stall technology. Manual transmission models produce 270 horsepower and 310 lb-ft of torque.
There’s also the available I-Force Max Hybrid powertrain with a 2.4L turbocharged 4-cylinder, 326 horsepower and 465 lb-ft of torque. This nearly doubles the torque of the current V6 model. It has a 48 horsepower electric motor integrated into the 8-speed transmission with a 1.87 kWh battery pack.
In Canada, the Tacoma comes exclusively in four-wheel drive models which have an electronically controlled two-speed transfer case with high/low range along with active traction control. In the US, 4x2 is also available. An electronic locking rear differential is standard on TRD-Off Road, TRD Pro and Trailhunter grades. The Limited model features a full time 4-wheel drive system with a centre locking differential on hybrid models.
Improvements were made across all grades enhancing Tacoma’s off-road capability from severe rock climbing to high-speed desert racing. So whether you want a little more luxury in the Limited grade or a very capable Tacoma TRD Off-Road, you’ll find one that fits your lifestyle.
A new front cross member was constructed for the steering gear box, a new high lift jack point is integrated into the rear frame and to enhance ride and handling characteristics is a newly available multi-link suspension, this replaces the previous model’s leaf springs in favour of a set of coils. However, the leaf springs stay on SR, SR5 Xtra Cab grades and TRD Prerunner. The Tacoma also gets new 4-wheel disc brakes, TRD models and above are equipped with a larger front brake package. The hybrid model adds a larger rear brake package.
An electronic parking brake allows for low-speed radar control and a brake hold function. The Tacoma also gets electric power steering.
Available electronic front stabilizer bar that can disconnect for a 10% increase in wheel articulation.
The Tacoma now features suspensions that are specific to each grade. For example, TRD Sport has red TRD sport tuned shocks for a more responsive feel, the TRD off-road grade has monotube Bilstein remote reservoir shocks, the TRD Pro has FOX’s new QS3 three-way adjustable internal bypass shocks with remote reservoirs, the Trailhunter has Old Man EMU 4x4 suspension by ARB that is tuned for optimum levels of off-road control and Limited grades feature a new adaptive variable suspension.
The interior comes with a standard 8” touchscreen, wireless Apple Carplay and Android Auto, it’s got Toyota’s new multi-media system that was introduced in the 2022 Tundra. There’s an available 14” touchscreen, wireless charger, an available multi-terrain monitor, a 360-degree camera, a 12.3” digital driver display, 7” is standard and a 10-speaker JBL sound system is also available, it has an available portable speaker and when it’s undocked it can run for up to 6 hours. Other available features included heated and ventilated front seats, a head-up display and a heated steering wheel. All models get push button start and you want a digital key so you can start the vehicle with your phone, it’s through a trial or subscription. That digital key can also be shared with others who are using the vehicle.
Gas models have three times more storage under the rear seat than the previous model and you can also fold the rear seatback flat.
TRD Pro models include Isodynamic performance seats for enhanced off-road driving control and comfort. TRD Pro models sit 2” higher in the front and an 1 ½ higher in the rear compared to the SR5. Gas modesl have three times more storage under the rear seat from the previous model as well and you can also fold the rear seatback flat.
If they are so confident the new engine will last they should increase the warranty to make consumers feel safe.
Damn straight.
Excellent idea.
I don't buy it for one minute that a turbo 4 hybrid will be as reliable as the V6 that Toyota ran with little issue for so many years,
The number of miles that you'll be without issue will be above 100k as well. Once you put all options next to each other at that number higher than any warranty, which powertrain do you want?
I'm not pro 4 banger for trucks, but he's not wrong that this has been a staple overseas for decades including turbo diesels. And the cliches such as "go anywhere with a Range Rover, but if you wanna get back get a Land Cruiser" come from those LC's with those engines. Those engines held up reliably in the Outback, the Sahara, Saudi, New Zealand, China, Siberia, etc. Not powerful. But really reliable.
Does that mean that it is that reliable? No. But they beat on these smaller engines like crazy with Land Cruiser in both 4 and 6-cylinder turbo engines like they have for decades. We just aren't used to those smaller turbo engines, but they HAVE been more common over time with Toyota in their serious off-road offerings.
I guess we'll see.
Yep, they should increase the warranty to last as long as the average old school V6 or V8. But we know they won’t.
I still believe a V-8 or V-6 will outlast a stressed out 4 cylinder
It always will . Any new turbo will need extra " care " , and this one is no different.
Agreed. I'd have no problem going back to the old days of 3k oil changes to keep one of these going to 300k. I just don't see those turbos lasting that long no matter the maintenance. I'm keeping my 2022 TRD Off Road for a while. I'd consider a 4th gen once I see a few going over 200k miles right before the gen 5 release.
100%
It all depends on how that 4 cylinder is built. There are 4 cylinder turbo diesels that will go hundreds of thousands of miles. A gas turbo engine can do the same if built strong enough.
@@1guyin10 That would be wonderful but they intentionally build them with a shelflife of about 200,000 miles max because they want you to buy a new one
Caveman over here just wanting a regular cab, manual transmission, crank windows, hydraulic power steering, and actual mini truck footprint. That ship has sailed.
I had the same desire, but to make things even more difficult, I also wanted a full box frame and a manual transfer case (no electronics in the drivetrain at all). The only truck that checks all the boxes and isn't completely impossible to find is the 1st-gen Nissan Frontier.
@@coffeeandlifting I get it. Cheap failure points disguised as progress reign supreme and have for well over 16 years now.
Some of those things you can still get by good manufacturers but I definitely agree with Toyota that ship has sailed and so has the quality!!!
I want the same. I had it once in my 2001 Tacoma, except for the crank windows. I kept it for 13 years and 350k miles, I wish I hadn’t gotten rid of it.
@@fuqoff8583 That's why I'm keeping my 2003 Tacoma with crank windows. 123K 2.7 liter 4X4.
After I saw this video for the first time, I quickly bought a 23 Tacoma TRD Off Road, double cab, 6’ bed with the premium and technology pkgs, because historically a Turbo engine simply doesn’t last as long as a naturally aspirated engine.
I put over 300K miles on my last 3.5L V6 Toyota.
It didn’t give me any problems from the day I bought it until the day I sold it. We keep our vehicles for 15-20 or 300K miles.
I currently have 7800 miles on my year old TRD Off Road.
I doubt that I’ll live another 20 years and I know that I’ll be dead before my Tacoma hits 300K miles, so I’ll be driving my TRD until I die.
Why would you want to keep a vehicle that long. Just because it runs doesn’t mean it’s not a pile of junk. Just buy a new one.
@@brianonnela8186 Why would I do that?
I invested well when I was younger and retired at 43.
I don’t need to keep up with the Smiths and Jones. If our vehicles stay reliable, we just keep driving them.
My wife’s Camry was 18 years old when we donated it to our church. It had only 118K miles on it and the car went to a single mother who desperately needed a vehicle.
Because of where we live, we get 5-7 feet of snow every winter. So my wife would park her Camry and drive my RAV 4WD Limited with the 3.5L V6 and I’d drive our old 4WD pickup, until she was able to drive her Camry again.
For my wife’s 50th birthday I bought her an Outback so she can drive it year round.
We’d much rather invest our money into real estate or gold, silver, etc instead of buying a new vehicle every few years.
Automobiles depreciate, but real estate and precious metals appreciate. Furthermore we rent our properties, which in turn puts money into our bank accounts, in which when we have enough set aside, we invest in more things that increase our income.
Years ago my grandmother told me to live frugally so that when you’re old, you’ll be able to live comfortably and see the world. If you can afford to drive a Mercedes Benz, drive a Toyota instead.
If you drive an expensive vehicle, everyone will know you are either wealthy or you’re dirt poor., scraping by, but if you just blend in then no one will try to take advantage of you.
She was a very smart woman. Her parents were dirt poor and so was she while growing up. When she died at 93 years old, she had over $17 Million in her estate and she drove a 30 year old Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Brougham, 2dr that now sits in our 6 car heated garage and is driven only on occasion. It still looks great and drives like new with only 97K original miles. The car is now 40 years old.
@@brianonnela8186I think you're missing the point.
Does anyone honestly believe that the head engineer is going to tell you that it’s not reliable.
I mean, they could have stayed silent.
Considering there are a lot of people that drive a lot of miles. Reliability better be good. I doubt they’d release a truck with issues. This engine is already being used in several models.
It’s called signal theory, you actually are telling everyone how bad the engine really will be. By having to do all of this PR bull crap.
The first one or two years of this truck is going to have problems. It might be 30 or 40k miles before we see them, but there will definitely be problems.
And when the turbo goes T U how much is that going to cost?
He is not talking as a Tacoma owner, he is selling the product like a salesman. I want a NA V6 Nissan Frontier or Honda Ridgeline now.
I'm not sure he could fit behind the wheel of a Tacoma.
Funny how it's technically a smaller engine than a GM 3800 V6, and yet looking at the way the components are stacked, you can tell that this engine will be a major pain in the ass to work on and will cost a lot in labor.
that was my first thought too; where'd they hide the starter on this one? 😂
Interviewer: where is the starter located?
Chief engineer: That is propietary undisclosed confidential company info. But I can share that it is conveniently located Directly beneath the exhaust manifold, right above the engine mount in front of the downtube squeezed tightly between the turbo and block to keep it hot in cold weather and prevent it from accidentally falling out.
Interviewer: engine out to change it?
Chief engineer: absolutely, a lot of work went into making this truck as difficult to work on as possible.
The Nissan Frontier still has a naturally aspirated V-6.
@@juanfo7307 its a toyota, why are you so pressed because they got rid of the old v6? we know toyota is going to be reliable, why are you splitting hairs here, especially when the only thing you need to make a turbo 4 reliable is to simply overbuild it and cool it properly, which is exactly what they've done.
@@PassivePortfolios That thing is so fun to drive, I get them as rentals all the time when Im in texas for work lol
Much like every other company out there you're not listening to your customers. You completely did away with the six cylinder, forcing the 4-cylinder down our throat. The four cylinder, I don't care what you say will have to work harder and not last as long. For this reason I'm out
You act like they have a choice... they are being forced to do things by the government... most people are voting for 'leaders' who keep pushing this junk.
You're not looking broad enough. Peace and safety comes first ;) then comes "choice" and then comes "freedom".
It's been 9 years now since it's been available in the Tacoma, and not a single thing I've seen in person or read online has convinced me to ditch the Toyota 4.0L V6.
Definitely cheaper built, pulleys plastic ,pumps plastic ,turbo charged 4 cylinder engine, which everybody knows when you force more air through ,it runs hotter. That way the life of the engine is less easy to figure out.
@donaldpiper9763 good thing it's intercooled
Consumer Reports just named the current 4.0 litter 4Runner the most reliable car you can buy.
Consumer Reports ain't what it used to be!@@MrVincemims
A masterpiece of an engine and the end of evolution for Toyota V6. 3.0>3.4>4.0. The 3.5 is regression from the 4.0. Yes, I have owned both
Thanks for making my 2012 4.0 ALOT more valuable..good luck!
good luck to you with that 12 year old vehicle, sooner or later everything breaks and you're DEFINITELY pushing that later portion of that equation, good luck!
@@qbanlink25 UNPRECEDENTED resale value..enjoy your chinky rusted out chevy
Tundra/tacoma V8 v6 are unicorns now
Yup, looks like it’s already outlasting the new Tundra turbo engine. 4.0’s last a very long ways. 500k plus miles.
I’m an Ex military diesel mechanic and retired fleet maintenance manager. I’m buying a new car this year, and it will not have a turbo!
What does that mean ? You don't like to or cannot afford it or something else ?
If it's a Ford 2.7 or 3.5 ecoboost you'll be happy.... short term cam phaser issue addressed....
Diesel mechanic, what do you think about DPF & AdBlue?
I was waiting for that big boy to get into that tiny truck
I have never been able to gjit into a Toyota Tacoma. My knees fo not fit under the steering wheel to get in the damn thing!
The salesman explained that once they have drive by wire this will change. Well,at least I fit under the wheel of the Mighty Cummins. Crank windows because I knew I would keep it for a long time.
I wonder if a guy could move the damn seat back a few inches by modifying the base where the seat mounts to the floor.
Honda found out early on that Americans did not fit well on their motorcycles so they made the CB 750 and it damn near took out Harley. Toyota needs to make their tilt steering wheel tilt up HIGHER.
@@ohiofarmer5918 sounds like they did change the tilt and the seats and fixed all that--or tried to, there's a million at the dealerships, I'd love to hear you check one out and see if they actually solved anything or if it's just talk.
People don’t want small
Displacement turbo motors.
just like we also dont want EVs but they will keep trying to convince us ,now people will have no choice .
@@hottew_twat3963 Exactly, if you look up the F150, the ecoboost doesn't get much better fuel mileage than the 5.0, and once that turbo crap fails what little savings you had will be spent on repairs.
I dont want 8 injectors in a 4 cylinder. Pardon me i just think port injection worked fine enough there was no point. They go from v6 to 4, so imstesd of 6 injectors you got 8. Then they turbo it and semi hybrid it and it gets a wopping +2.7mpg. No thanks, ill take 4 cylinders with 4 port fuel injectors, no hybrid, no plastic valve covers. Extra durable transmission, call it a day. Boom easy. Why the hell are they overcomplicating us into bankruptcy man? Get rid of half the injectors I bet thats like 200 saved on each. Thats pays for the whopping loss of 1/4 of an mpg and i have less injectors that will go bad eventually. No turbo. Why turbo at all? A 2.5L in a truck is too small turboing it is worse i think. My last sedan had a 3.0 this is a truck not a sedan and they had to turbo it and semi hybrid it just for it to barely barely squeeze by as better on paper only in certain ways? No thanks. Maybe one day toyota will actually build simple vehicles again. 8 injectors 4 cylinders. Make the dumbness stop please I beg. I dont think its worth it. More efficient my ass. More efficient to the junkyard perhaps. With its water based paint
@@TheAnnoyingBossit’s not just fuel economy but also emissions. And there is no comparison between an old windsor or modular v8 vs a 3.0L ecoboost.
Unfortunately EPA is making manufactures do this
When i hear smaller gauge on the frame i hear "it will rust through quicker".
@proto… That and I also hear cost cutting.
Only on the US made models
"We made it thinner and also better": Said nobody ever.
@@kb9oak749 thinner and better by making it as strong while being lighter.
@@user-rm7kb3il6x don't forget he also said they are passing that savings on to the customer 😂....
Poor guy. You could tell he was really uncomfortable having to lie about the reliability.
This why i will not buy a toyota truck now
I'm a firm believer in a normally aspirated V8, without turbos or anything else is going to be more reliable in the long run and easier to maintain. There is no need for a turbocharged engine in a land based vehicle for driving.
I believe this based on 50 years of driving.
"based on 50 years of driving" is exactly why your opinion on turbos being bad is not as valid as you think. nowadays engines are built stronger with better, purer casting. the reason modern engines dont last as long as they could in many cases is due to planned obsolescence which applies to any engine turbo or not. look at the turbo engines used for commercial applications, what about the turbo 6 engines in semi trucks? those run easily passed 500k miles and the longest ones go passed 2 million miles towing 80k lbs for most of those miles. if they want to make a turbo 4 last, they can make a tubro 4 last. fundamentally, yes its easier to make a bigger, less efficiently engine make the same power and last longer because there are less cylinder pressures. but building an engine strong enough to easily handle the high pressures is not impossible at all and has already been done, as seen in turbo diesles.
turbo diesels have WAY more cylinder pressures, yet they last a very long time. why is this? because they build them to withstand thos pressures by using iron blocks and highly overbuilt components that are made to withstand those pressures, so they naturally last a very long time. this is entirely doable on a gas turbo 4. the difference is simply the added lubrication the diesel fuel gives. but thats not enough to account for the massive difference in mileage. its down to the way they're built.
LOL how long does a chevy v8 last? 60k miles until it needs engine removal and camshaft/lifter replacement. Toyota made a reliable v8 that the american brands couldnt do, and everyone thinks toyota cant make a 4 cylinder now thats ridiculous
@@Xencer 100% agree lol
I don't know but a naturally aspirated V8 is what I prefer.
@buck546 that was my preference until I realized I'm straight up too dumb to even work on even the simple 70s vehicles haha. So my preference is going to be what goes the most miles before a major repair and without leaving me sitting anywhere.
Honestly I'd love more videos like this talking about the engineering behind models. Always fascinating and makes you appreciate the effort past a checklist of features, spec sheets, and looks.
obviously this kind of “sweet talking” has s unprecedented because toyota feels the push-back from the consumers. The sell attempt is just a bit too eager “folks, we have done our job, now it’s your turn to trust us- we would lie to you because this is our life blood…” something like that. i am just concerned about the future service Nd parts and repair costs like my trusted old-timer mechanic tells me that more moving parts on turbo boost cooled engines more things can break. we all know what Mercedes Audi VW and BMW have done. They used to be the best and today they are just rental and lease industry providers because after 40,000 miles these cara are toast. o don’t want to take that chance on Toyota. Let’s just see how it goes.
So you believe this guy is the chief engineer at Toyota? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Oooo. Kkkkkkaaayyyyyyyyyy
@@traviswright3343No, I don't believe he's the Chief Engineer at Toyota. I do, however believe he is the Chief Engineer for the Tacoma vehicle at Toyota, as stated in the video.
This new motor is as reliable as this Chief Engineer’s current health…
haha true
I was thinking the same damn thing…lazy body….was hoping the chief engineer was from Japan.
I worked at the San Antonio Toyota plant when the average was building 1100-1200 trucks a day before retiring there. There was a big guy, almost twice the size of that engineer that I would see walking in and out. He would be slumped over the handrail taking a rest before continuing on, I mean he was big. Felt sorry for him actually.
Here is the kicker, he drove a Hayabusa bike with handicap plates on it. He always parked in the closest spot to the turn styles.
I s hit you not.
😅😅😅😅
Dead in 4 years?
No matter how good that 4 cylinder is, all my friends say if they are spending all that cash, they want a v-8 in the Tundra and v-6 in the Tacoma. That's it.
Well you can’t have that option on the Tacoma. You want a v8 then spend 70k on a tundra lol
@@paulallen-01 then they're not building products the majority of the market-place wants, but what unlawful regulators desire.
I would love this truck with the 4.0 V6.
How about a turbo v6.
I had a 4.0 and now have a 3.5. The 4.0 is by far a better engine. Also transmission constant gear hunting was not there on the 4.0. Gas milage was the same.
1GR-FE all the way!
I love the reliability of the 2.7 but the lack of power is frustrating, but that lack may be why it lasts. More stress and heat will likely kill the new one much quicker.
Same theory with the 1.8 litre engine in Toyota Corolla. They ditched it for 2.0 but that 1.8 litre did last a long time.
In 1994 maybe. Turbo engines are extremely reliable unless.. we are talking about GM vehicles.
You’re right you don’t want a turbo
Nothing wrong with a good turbo in a reliable engine they still last a long time.
The 2.7L is a tank of an engine. My only gripe was that mine was paired w/the 4 speed automatic. Biggest shortcomings in performance was during uphill interstate merges or long/longer uphill interstate stretches. I regret that I didn't wait to get one with a manual transmission.
Thanks for making my 1990 V-6 more valuable..Now worth more then I paid in 1990. Keep up the good work!
Don't know about that, by the year it has to be the 3.0 3VZ
Hahahah that's just about the WORST Toyota engine ever made.
I want to see the engine apart . Ive been a diesel tech for 22 years and I know what has to be done for a turbo 4 to last and be reliable . It need big head bolts six bolts per cylinder not 4, the block needs to be a closed deck design, the pistons need hardened alloy piston ring lands, and can’t have low drag piston rings it needs beefy piston rings that can handle extra pressure from forced induction and direct injection . It also needs a beefed up bottom end. You can’t build an engine similar to a naturally aspirated engine put a turbo combined with direct injection on it and expect it to last . You basically need to build it like a diesel engine .
I’m so happy my 2020 4Runner still has the 4.0L 1GR-FE.
"Reducing the gauge" of the frame doesn't sound like something I would call an upgrade. Still not sold on turbo or hybrid just because of complexity and maintenance.
Trying to sell you a thinner gauge frame is an upgrade 😅😅. I drive mine all the time too. From my garage to my front door. No issues at all period.
My neighbor started to brag about his cheaprookee. I've had no issues in all the years I've owned it.
So I asked him. Wasn't it several years ago you called me to rescue you and your wife from the Rockies.. and how far do you drive each day. Maybe 1.5 miles to the grocery store every day. 😅😅😅.
He shut up and walked away.
Hybrid is better than turbocharged
Remember the Toyota “frame gate”? Keep your receipts!!
Turbos fail. I would not trust this thing to reliably take me to the middle of nowhere like I do my 2010 and 2019.
Hybrids are mechanically simpler and proven to be reliable.
The fact that Toyota is paying their engineers to make this argument should tell you the 4 cylinder is going to be overworked, and you'll be driving an underpowered truck with a much shorter lifespan. Toyota is making a MAJOR mistake doing away with the V6.
Fuel economy is why they got rid of it. Sadly the less reliability abd hugher cost isnt convincing anyone to buy any more of them. I think toyota quakity drops and price jumps every generation after the last and toyotas zombified cultist followers might shell out the dough but im not.
Hopefully, when Toyota sees the dissatisfaction of their customers, they will drop the turbos.
You basically ask this man to talk about his baby do you genuinely think he’s going to give an unbiased opinion of it?😂
I would really love to see a simple truck again. One that was easy on the pocket and easy to work on. I have two early Toyota trucks. A 73 FJ40 and a 78 pickup. Wouldn't trade either of them for a new model.
Keep what you have, a new simple truck will never arrive (for lots of reasons including Government regulation)
@@derekisthematrix Yep
Tell it like it is ! I have an 84 4x4 pickup.22r carbed.,straight axle,5 spd.."classic" all original,factory white steel,slotted wheels.1984 warn winch mount with brushguards..
@@vincesmith764 Amen
The toyota scout is coming back.
I'm a proud owner of two original 1986 factory Turbo 4x4 extra cab pickups. They both still run like a watch and both are around 260,000 miles. No oil peaks of any kind. Both turbo's were replaced at 200k. I wish Toyota would make a SMALL truck like these again. I believe this new turbo 4 will serve well.
Same here,but all these tacoma idiots are too overpopulated.. and toyota cater to them
@@damnitdang its also because most americans are obese, type II diabetics that eat fast food, and are 300+ LBS and can't fit in a small pickup like the older ones.
How much do you think it will cost to replace a turbo (or 2) on the new toyota trucks? The 22RET could be changed with a few open end wrenches in an hour.
I have no clue, but I do have faith with Toyota, and I don't see any issues. Who knows. Could be crap too. Internet opinions on the new products from any manufacture are very biased. Everybody wants to be an arm chair engineer. I look at it this way... I'm sticking with my older, perfectly running Toyota pickups. Personally I will NEVER sign on the dotted line to purchase anything new. Debt sucks, and I just refuse to put myself in a situation where I have a $1000 a month payment for God knows how many years (6+). I guess it depends how how much you believe someone telling you that the economy is doing great, there's no inflation, and how much you trust or like your job.
Those timing chains though...
I just bought one of these things, and im throughly impressed. They really thought through the driver experience, easier to toggle buttons, excellent infotainment center, adaptive and driver assist functions, and the torque/speed ramp up is smooth ! The new setup just makes sense... dont judge it until you try it guys! Not to mention that toyota has a history of small displacement turbocharged engines overseas, this isn't a new stint for them.
Sheldon is awesome! He knows his stuff, and is passionate about what he does. He clearly enjoys it, and that's cool to see :) Get the feeling he'd be a fun dude to have a beer with and shoot the shit about how these things work
I'm still nervous about buying these vehicles with the turbos. Extra stuff=more stuff to break and fix and less long term reliability.
I have a Ford with a turbo that just hit 150,000 miles without a single problem. Pretty sure Toyota can easily surpass that mark. If they recommend a 0-20 oil though, I wouldn't use it. Bump up to a 5-30 or something like that. Turbos will tear apart 0-20 oil that they spec for mileage. Also, a turbo really isn't that complicated or add any more parts. It's a compressor and a couple of pipes. Probably less complex that 2 more cylinders, additional valves, plugs etc.
@@jcrbamathat is a terrible idea. The bearings on these motors were designed to run on thin oil. Anything thicker wouldnt have enough oil flowing and could ruin the bearings or cylinders
Precisely
this isn't the first time Toyota did a turbo 4cly pickup
@@jcrbamaIs this true for the current 4Runners V6 too? The idea of switching from an oil recommended by Toyota to an oil random people online are saying “could be better”, just seems really risky. Especially considering that full synthetic 0-20 has been proven to take the current V6 to crazy high mileage. The current 4Runner was even listed as consumer reports most reliable vehicle. Also doesn’t thicker oil have significant downsides, like issues in cold weather, where 0-20 can operate properly in a much larger temp range? Not disagreeing with you, I just don’t know what to actually believe. Lol
This gentleman (Mr. Brown) clearly knows his product. It is always so rewarding to listen to an individual with so much passion and knowledge. Thanks for the fascinating (technical wise) video.
(I agree with 97% of what he said/claimed)
Not only is he knowledgeable and passionate about Tacoma but he is the nicest guy and is always open to answering questions.
I bet!
It's called letting folks know in advance that the Tacoma is no longer going to have the quality and reliability that Toyota was built on....
They reduced the Guage of the steel that the frames are built with because they finally decided to build a True box frame with ladder design.
Down grading to leaf springs on some versions, etc...
Only reason for a turbo charger other than a race engine is because the engine is too small and cannot power the vehicle without the turbo. Much better off with a V6 or V8 non turbo for reliability and long lasting engines. Very disappointed in Toyota and Lexus for bowing down to the government and replacing their solid reliable V6 and V8 engines. Not sure about the Tundra but the new Lexus requires Premium gas for 1MPG more Just plain stupid. Then they tell you well get the hybrid for more power, no thanks just give me an engine powerful enough to power my wheels without a turbo.
This is really really good info! I used to fly a Cessna Turbo 210 with a Continental TSIO-520 engine. My rule was to let the engine idle at least 2-minutes to let the VERY HOT and VERY HIGH RPM turbocharger spin down to a low RPM before turning off the engine and SHUTTING OFF the engine oil pump to the turbo bearings which needing lubrication while the bearings were still spinning down.
I needed the turbo charger in the airplane for power at high altitude, but I have never wanted a car with a turbo charger because of this lube issue when the engine has been "run hard and stopped VERY HOT" because of the turbo bearing lube issue.
I have been told that BMW keeps oil flowing to the turbo bearings after the engine has stopped. Worse case, in my imagination, is 2 hours of Interstate driving and stopping at a rest area for a toilet break and shutting the engine immediately upon reaching the parking space.
MY QUESTION: How does Toyota deal with turbo bearing lubrication in a situation like this?
Thanks for letting us know. Thanks for continuing the 6-speed manual trans ❤
At least theres that
I had a friend of mine tell me, about 1 million miles ago that I'd get tired of driving a truck with a manual transmission, still waiting!
Speaking about fuel delivery: I will avoid anything with direct injection. I don't care if the D-4S has port and direct injectors. That is added maintenance and cost that is avoidable. I am more than happy with less horse power if I get better reliability out of my engine. I had a '97 4Runner with the 3RZ-FE 2.7 liter engine. I loved it. It was a base level 4x4 with the 'J' shifter for the transfer case. No '4x4' button on the transfer caser knob/lever. Open diffs. A340E automatic 4-speed tranny. The 4Runner had it's limitations as I kept it stock. No lifts. No suspension upgrades, Just OEM. I, sadly, used it as a trade-in when I should not have. Bought it for $4,500. If I could, I would go back in time and keep it. I let go of it with just over 200k miles.
As an owner of a direct injection engine with 200K miles, I understand your concern as I've had to clean my valves and they were nasty. But you mentioned that you didn't care if an engine also had port injection in addition to the direct injection. My feeling and understanding is that if an engine features both, the port injection should clean the values and eliminate the need for cleaning the valves - assuming that is your concern.
I understand. Thanks for sharing. I'm standing firm on my choices of port injection only and no turbos either. Why pay for 4 or 6 extra fuel injectors (D4-S) if you don't need them?@@Fmandan77
When toyota started making me buy 8 injectors for a 4 cylinder and then thry want that with turbo 4 banger hybrids i just cant do it man. They take the trans dipatick out of the corolla and do a cvt. Toyota is already dead. Walking zombie. Dying terribly. Why buy a tundra if i can go get a v8 from ford? Ford v7 is less reliable than it used to be imo but its going to be ahead of a v6 twin turbo hybrid and ford will sell me that too anyway.
Me too. Fuel rail pressures are too high and it doesn't clean the valves. Plus ethanol gas kills it and that's all the politicians' will lwt gas stations sell around me. They want to kill the gas engine even though they burn clean. It's some real 1984 stuff going on.
BS... Toyota is self destructing by only offering small turbo motors in Tacomas, Tundra, and 4Runners... and also moving more production to Mexico.
I miss the 2.7L inline 4's that Toyota used to produce, they were a fun and easy to work on motor, with plenty of power with the smaller Tacoma bodies, I owned two. One with an auto, and the fun one, with the 5 speed manual standard cab... That was one fun little truck I wish I had never sold.
He’s not biased at all. Turbos generate higher heat…heat is the cause of wear and failure.
Which is why they upgraded the heat removal system
Did you watch the video?
Keep in mind that diesels have used turbos for a long time, and they are known as reliable.
He addressed a lot of valid consumer complaints, so that's great to hear. I'm glad Toyota is listening. The prior gen had some major caveats. It's a shame Toyota just kept selling it for many years with the awful 6-speed automatic that can't pick a gear, instead of taking care of their customers sooner rather than later. Also, thank you for keeping the extra cab version. GM and Ford really dropped the ball getting rid of that. I'm one of those consumers who needs the bigger bed, not the extra backseat. Hopefully, the turbo 4 engine proves itself dependable and not more expensive to keep up long-term. I have my doubts.
I get that but wouldn’t it be easier to load cargo with the access cable instead of the xtra cab?
@@Elvisnotpresley97 I suppose it depends on what you're hauling. The stuff I haul is either too big to fit in the cab or too dirty. Lumber, gravel, demolition debris, pallets of flooring, etc.
To be fair, there wasn't much incentive for Toyota to spend money on the 3rd gen when it was still the best selling midsize truck by a mile.
@@palebeachbum I feel like you'd be better served by a half-ton, not a midsize truck. Single cab Ram 1500s and Silverados are relatively affordable, since demand for them is so low compared to crew cabs.
@@theglowcloud2215 a half ton would certainly do the job with more ease, but I'm not accustomed to driving full-size vehicles and I live in the city, so parking spaces tend to be narrow and maneuverability and shorter length is important. I don't totally dismiss the idea, but I'd feel more comfortable in something like a Frontier or Tacoma.
The fact that the “chief engineer” has to convince you that this smaller displacement, higher rpm engine with a turbo and multiple batteries is just as reliable as a naturally aspirated v6 or v8 tell you everything you need to know. I may not be a “chief engineer”, but I am a Mechanical Engineer, and have been working on cars for many years. Let’s not forget all the issues the new v6 turbo Tundras have. No thanks, I’ll stick to v6 and/or v8.
He literally told us the priority of the new design. Fuel economy.
If you want longevity, go for a normally aspirated engine.
If you want to meet government controls, go for a blown, high pressure engine
Thank you for bringing back a 6 speed manual.
If I made as much money as him I would look EXACTLY the same. Personal chef indeed!
I just bought my 2023 sport in order to get the last of the late and great 6 cyl 3.5L automatic, that motor is battle tested. I traded in my 09 Sienna with 245K on it and it started every time and ran great with the original motor, tranny, timing chain alternator and starter. Not sold on the 4 cyl turbo just yet. Lots of stress on that little motor.
No way, no how, not ever, will this 4cyl turbo outlast a 6 or 8. We're talking about a truck, a small truck, but still a truck.
Just got a 2023 tacoma off-road 6spd manual.. glad i got in on the last simple toyota truck.
I had a 93 hilux. Those were the last simple Toyotas.
Me too, same truck. I got it last month. I hate the electronic throttle.
I also just bought a 2023 Taco, the last of the dinosaurs, but it is a proven machine.
2AZ-FE veteran here. I was hoping to hear that Toyota stepped up to more than 10 head bolts per four cylinder bank. The rest of my life will be free of engines that are skinny on head bolts and prone to blow head gaskets.
I totally get the importance of a turbo being a low cost way to deliver more horsepower, but I actually place negative value on a turbo and would prefer the same engine without the turbo with lower horsepower.
Though I am sadly forced into other options (per above), it is great to see Toyota making the manual transmission available.
oh....here we go....the old 10 bolts bullshit that no one ever had an issue with except for ol pete from wisconsin.......ok buddy....time to come back to reality.
You have to remember that the 2AZ's head bolt issues had nothing to do with the amount of bolts per cylinder or the thickness of the bolts. The blocks had a manufacturing defect causing the threads to strip out and the bolts were prone to oxidation failure due to the material used and their sitting in a waterjacket, Toyota did slightly change the design but the thickness remained practically the same, plenty of engines use 4 bolts/cyl
2AZ's definitely had real head bolt issues lol@@DigitalCity-sj4es
Cool it, guys. 2AZ-FE/PK7 has the absolute nominal bolt to head gasket ratio. TOYOTA switched to 99% tungsten in all of their bolts starting in 2018. Seal itself is 88% industrial grade silica tk-6 temp rated. So 2az-fe is far superior with mostly NTO-6/TG steel pivot points. So as a 22 year Toyota tech I'm absolutely not worried.
We want our V6 back it was proven reliability and customer satisfaction. Why are you trying to sell us something different? That’s not what we want.
Because they didn't want to push back against the EPA.
I heard a similar argument from a Toyota engineer who assured us the Tundra V6 would last as long as the old V8. Now they're spinning bearings.
Also, the boxed frame is funny, as if it's innovative. Nissan had it YEARS ago.
Over 100k recalls including the Tacoma lol
Yeah such a small engine for big trucks that require a lot of power for such big vehicles
Nothing like a good V6 or the best a V8
I love it when a chief engineer does the talking. Knows all the details in and out. Good video, appreciate the content.
An engineer with a hidden agenda.
@@Nobamaable Exactly. Trying to convince long time customers it will be fine. It won't. I'll take my chances with the Frontier and it's naturally aspirated v6. KISS is always the best bet.
Im sticking with my 4.0....
Cheers, I'm sticking with my '40'
I REALLY want this new engine to be reliable for the new 4Runners and Tacomas. I doubt at first release they will make it to 200k plus without something happening. They just won’t be able to be as reliable as the dinosaur V6 or the 4.7 V8 but it is a trade off. Better economy and better power, so hopefully they will still be a reasonably reliable engine for Toyota’s reputation. I hope i’m proven wrong and am looking forward to the future 4Runners! Once these engines get used for a while in the mass market and then gets refined I would happily jump into one.
Where’s the power bulge hood on the Trailhunter?
Yeah this is really good PR. But as a car nut and a child of multiple generations of mechanics. Anyone who thinks your going to get 230k trouble free miles from a turbo 4 in a truck, well bless you…
Throughout the video, for various initiatives and goals, I kept ”compromises.” Don’t doubt advancements in welding techniques, aluminum strength, cooling turbo engines, ability to integrate more parts in complex engines, etc. Weight savings may come back to cost you in some circumstances. And efficiency definitely can. Complex and reliable rarely go hand in hand.
I still have a first gen 4 cylinder single cab Tacoma. Just hit 100k miles 23 years later
8 speed turbo 4s, aluminum panels, CAFE standards are definitely changing things.
These same standards are also the reason there are no cheap or simple small trucks
Cool to know! But time will tell :) With a Toyota, we might only find out in 20 years! :P
Look at the size of that truck. This is the death of small trucks.
Old taco 600,000 miles .. New taco 80,000 miles
I'm sticking with the 3.5. In fact, I just bought a 2023 trd off-road to keep in the garage for whenever my 2019 dies.
Why would a 2019 'die'???
@shawnpedri7948 lol right, but I understand what he's doing
To build the new Tacoma this man was required to eat an Old Tacoma!! Kaizen belly!!!
The days of getting a couple hundred thousand miles out of a engine are gone
Time will tell if these new high compression motors will carry on the Toyota legacy. I have my doubts as to that just due to the nature of the stresses small turbocharged (read High Compression) engines have to endure.
I think what people would have been satisfied with would have been the 4 liter 6 with an upgraded transmission. I just bought a 2020 4Runner. It really doesn't rev that high in daily driving. It has plenty of torque, but is somewhat limited by the 5 speed. An 8 speed mated to this engine would improve economy while still providing the reliability that everyone loves about that engine.
To me the big motivator was the reliability of that 4 liter. Gas mileage was secondary (my previous rig was a Ram 1500 that got about 11 MPG in town). So, even the 16 I get in town is a huge improvement. For road trips, we'll stick with our Jeep GC. 8 speed ZF transmission, 22mpg.
I’m a rideshare driver. Let me borrow it for a year and I’ll put 300k miles on it. Then we can talk about reliability.
What's the warranty on the turbos?
So what happens if the turbos dont stay cool?
In the next video, Sheldon will lift up his shirt and talk about the V6 that's trying to hide underneath it.
Liking this very different video, quite informative and with the unskinned look at a vehicle like this, brings a whole different perspective on how this has been built from the ground up 🎉
Totally, we thought many would find this video quite informative. Sheldon Brown is so passionate about Tacoma and is willing to answer any question.
@@andreaspencer9813 Yes very good call both on this video, seeing how vehicle like this comes together 🎉
Happy to see a manual trans is still available
what a sales guy, rigt!
WOW Sheldon Brown great presentation about an excellently made truck!
I hope this 2024 engine is better than the turbo 4 in my wife's 2023 Highlander Limited. I can't stand driving that thing. Massive throttle lag until 15mph or so then wham... the turbo finally lights and it takes off and can occasionally spin the tires. Try to make a right hand and accelerate... tires spin when turbo spools. Whoever programmed the wastegate part of the tune should be fired. No linearness to the throttle at all. Should have never gotten rid of the V6. Would have been a much smoother ride. We've had her car for 1 year and 15K miles. I can't wait until she gets tired of it. I expected a better ride out of that car. Disappointed...
I'm more interested in the longevity of them. I do own a toyota FJ but my pick up trucks are all 90s-00s chevys with 5.7 and 5.3 with 250-300k plus and considering replacing with tacomas but my first thought with this engine is its longevity.
Huh. We got Sheldon Brown the king of bicycle mechanicry (RIP) and Sheldon Brown the Toyota chief engineer.
I’m so sad that the Tacoma went from a 4.0L V6 to a 3.5L V6 the good news was that they were both naturally aspirated engine. Now its a more complicated configuration with Turbos on a tiny 4 cylinder engine. I can only imagine all the dealerships across the USA are celebrating with champagne imagining the money they will make on repairs and servicing on Tacomas they never had to do on previous models.
I went with the Nissan Frontier because I wanted naturally aspirated.
Great choice! I love both tacomas too and fronts
I have a 23 prox can’t wait to install the z1 off-road performance package stage 2
I bought a new 2023 Tacoma because I wanted a naturally aspirated. I wanted a dinosaur rather than a turbo.
I’m on the fence. All this to appease emissions and fuel economy standards. The 4.0 will run forever.
We have a 1999 toyota tacoma reg cab 2wd, a 2004 tacoma doublecab 4wd 2.7, a 2005 tacoma doublecab prerunner 4.0v6, a 2010 tacoma doublecab 4wd 4.0 v6, and a 2015 tacoma doublecab 4wd 4.0v6. and we just purchased a 2019 tacoma doublecab 4wd 3.5v6 limited.
I also have a 2008 tacoma doublecab 4wd 4.0v6 that a good friend wrecked, (still runs and drives , she gave me title and all. I use it on our old farm property as work truck.
I dont think ill be running out to buy the 2024 tacoma anytime soon. Maybe after they work out all the bugs, that new vehicles usually have. Remember the all new tundra with the 3.5v6 and twin turbos, the first two years were a nightmare. My brother purchased one, and it was in dealership service waiting on parts and turbos for over 4 months. They said the turbos were backordered from the part supplier.
And then there is the issue with rusty rotten frames and faulty ball joints, on the first and second gens tacomas, then the paint issue for super white and blizzard pearl vehicles. The dealership repainted my wifes corolla, and camry and they look hideous. Poor cheap paint, and unskilled paint and body people. Im still fighting with toyota about that.
I’m happy getting 20.7 mpg in my 4.0 V6 2007 Tacoma. I don’t use it for towing. If you are going to be towing in this new four-cylinder turbo truck, expect to get 5 mpg. That’s what the guys at TFL (The Fast Lane CZcams channel) got. I think this new engine will be OK, as long as you don’t do much towing.
That man is amazing! Always enjoy when he makes appearances in creators videos. It is unfortunate that the price hikes will be so substantial. That info doesn't come out for another week or so, but people are going to be disappointed for sure.
Greed killed all three American cars and Truck's Industry.
Right on. Love these engineer TED talks. Grants a fantastic insight. Can’t wait to see the drive review next week
So cool that I see you in the comments! I have a highlander hybrid platinum on order with you
Toyota is being forced by the EPA to put reliability 2nd to fuel mileage unfortunately. This will be the beginning of the end for "Toyota Reliability".
@@HenryInKC probably won’t be as reliable as the early 2000s Toyotas but they’ll still be more reliable than other makes of similar years
@@MikeM952 right on!!!!! Great to see you here!
@@MikeM952 You have no evidence of that. A badge does not make up for bad design parameters from the get go. They offer a $2000 seat with it's own suspension on it, that should tell you the dumpster fire Toyota is becoming by catering to the wrong customers. BMW and Mercedes are pure shit these days because they started catering to the same type of customer Toyota wants.
Who would’ve thought the spun bearings on the crankshaft was going to be the tundra demise.
I would love to see a test between their V-8 vs. V-6 vs. V-4 turbo
all towing 2K-3K lbs for 100 miles with off-road terrain challenges
comparing torque vs. fuel economy. The V-6 would prolly still win.
I've had every generation of the tacoma, even pre tacoma. I've been happy with all of them. I trust Toyota to bring me a quality product. I did shy away from the automatic on the 3rd gen and got a 6 speed, but I'm almost getting too old for it. My wife couldn't drive a manual, not sure that was a bad thing............LOL
It's a nice looking truck, I like it, especially with the new added features. I have a Tacoma now and love it, however I'm 64 years old and been around cars and trucks most of my life. I know people who have had turbos on their cars. Likewise, I myself have a turbo on my dodge ram with the Cummings diesel engine. To me, knowing what I know about turbos with my experience and what I have seen with my friends, a diesel is the only engine I would ever consider having a turbo on. Why? Because they simply wear out an engine way before their time, because of the added presser the turbo puts on each cylinder. Diesel engines use diesel fuel which is mixed with oil which lubricates the engine and offsets wear and tare, so I didn't mind buying one on my dodge, I still should get 500k to a million miles on my dodge, but I am very skeptical about a 4-cylinder turbo engine for the new Tacoma. So here is my challenge. Show me a new Tacoma with the turbo 4-cylinder engine that get a million miles on them like I have seen other Toyota truck engines get, and I will trade my Tacoma in on a new Tacoma first thing tomorrow morning. Heck, even show me these engines that get 500k miles on average as a work truck hauling and towing light loads and ill buy one, but I doubt they will even get over 200k miles with a turbo 4 cylinders on a gas burner. They may not even get that. I hope I am wrong, I will gladly concede if you do because I have owned Toyota trucks since 1994 and love the dependability and reliability and longevity of a Toyota pickup truck. That is why I keep coming back to Toyota and buying them. I own the Dodge ram with the Cummins diesel to pull a lot of weight like my tractor or camper, Toyota didn't offer a diesel at that time, which is what I needed to pull heavy loads, but I have the Tacoma to work around town and at the farm to pull my lawnmower and my portable sawmill and my motorcycle, lightweight stuff and I have a Honda CRV to drive around town. Furthermore, I hope all of them get at least 500k miles as I take very good care of them and change the synthetic oil every 5000 miles and all the other fluids at 60k miles or every 3 years. So I will be highly pissed off if they don't get 500k, and I will not ever buy that brand again. As much as a car or truck costs now, 500k miles is very reasonable to expect to get from a new car or truck. We should get our moneys worth. My first brand-new car back in 1980 was a ford Fairmont futurea that costed me 14k and change with an inline 6. Now, new cars and trucks cost over 40k. Back in the 1970s you could buy a new 1400 sq ft house for 14k. So every one should expect to get 500k miles if they take care of their new car or truck. Anything less is a rip off.
How does a turbo add pressure to each cylinder and cause premature wear?
I'm very curious to see how this new turbo engine does. I think Toyota would be the one company who could make a turbo last 500K, I'm just not sure any company cares about that anymore. If they recommend 10K oil change intervals like they do on some other models I doubt it will make 150K. I'm assuming you bought the CRV with the normally aspirated engine because I think that 1.5T had some big problems with oil dilution.
How much did you make back in the 1970s vs now?
The reason I'm asking is $14000 in 1980 is equivalent to $52,274 today, do you think if you paid $52,274 for your Ford Fairmount today would you got your money's worth? or would you have been ripped off? Did that ford get 500,000 miles?
Lol where did you get your numbers from, I would like to fact check them. I am a multi-millionaire today, in the top 10% as far as income, back then I was just out of high school working a factory job. No use comparing apples to oranges. As far as getting my moneys worth back in 1980 no I didn't I was only able to get just over 100k miles on it before it started to use oil even though I changed it every 2 to 3k miles. A woman pulled out in front of me and caused me to crash and total loss the car, so I have no way of knowing just how far it would have gone once it started using oil. It was the first and last ford I ever bought because of that. Although I will have to say I did really like the car. None of the Honda's or Toyota's I have owned have started using oil at 100k miles. My father however had a ford pickup truck that got 500k miles on it, before it was worn out, that he bought in 1972 so he definitely got his moneys worth@@joepierson3859
I agree with you, I hope Toyota can make their new turbo last 500k miles, but I am doubtful with my 2023 Tacoma they tried to convince me to only change the oil every 10k miles I laughed at them and take mine in to Toyota on the 10k intervals and to a quick change place on the 5k intervals. And yes I bought the normally aspirated engine because the turbo on the smaller engine was causing so much pressure in the cylinders it was pushing gas beyond the rings into the oil and causing oil delusion sounds like you did your homework it pays off when you do@@briankalagher6687
This interview didn't age well.
Love how this great engineer puts accuracy to the 3 inches by smoothly adding 70 millimeters 😂
Toyota needs a regular cab long bed Tacoma (7') like the old days.
I won't be buying 4 cylinder..I have a v6 camry and love it. Almost 200,000 miles and drives so smooth. Change all your fluids, including transmission fluid every 50,000 miles and your car will last a long time. I will either buy a 6 cylinder lexus or truck in the next few years so I'll be dead before I am forced to use a 4 cylinder turbo bunny
The engineer is certainly earning his meals with this explanation.
Lifelong toyota owner, currently own two of them. Very disappointed by Toyota caving to the outside pressures to go turbo on tacoma. There is no real world argument that a turbo 4 cylinder will outlive a non turbo 6 that has decades of track record of lasting 200-300k miles before needing any engine work. Having this guy pitch the turbo in no way gives me confidence. Honestly, I am shocked a guy with so little concern for his own health is the lead engineer for a company like Toyota. Why not use the new 8 speed mated to the tried and true v6?
Did you zinc dip or galvanize the frames? Do you think the I4 turbo go 300,00 to 400,000 miles like the V6 has?
We shall see. I doubt it.
He works for Toyota, so we know he is forthcoming and honest about reliability...
Back in the day, the 22R was all Toyota used. Those motors didn't have much power, but man, where they reliable!
Turbo engines need to be maintained. As someone who owned an oil change business before, I can tell you that most people don’t change their oil on schedule. Those people will be crying about how much it costs to replace a turbo.
Good point. I wonder what the repair costs are for two turbos. Most people have dealerships to change their oil and never check the dipstick for themselves, You are correct, people will not check or change oil regularly.
I see that all the time. Not using the synthetic oil. Dumping conventional oil because synthetic oil is TOO expensive. I just tell them. Wait till you need a turbo and it's 3k for a turbo including labour cost.
@@2nickles647 Can it really cost 3K for a turbo? Are the dealership sales people telling customers that?