Obviously air, same like ptm7950 insted of liquid metal, the things is that WC is good when it is made by manufacturer, and not "water" some kind of non conductive liquid without maintance is ok, same like ps5 liquid metal made by sony, not by someone because it is too risky, thermopad PTM7950 + PS120 would be better than WC with average paste.
lots of people say that that air coolers are automatically superior but in a test done by HardwareCanucks the Deepcool LT520 AIO outperformed all the Thermalright Coolers on AMD CPUs by a small margin. I'd say it's a case by case basis. But the Phantom Spirit is 1/3 of the price of a LT520 where I live and good if you're building a PC inside a smaller case like I am.
There are not superior, but safer. Water cooling will always perform better, especially on CPUs that consum a lot of power. These days, air coolers are really close in performance to to good 240 AIOs.
@@tmtguitar I think water cooling has an advantage, because of the bigger surface area on the radiator used to cool the liquid and the liquids' superior thermal energy conversion from CPU to itself.
Air coolers have been able to compete with water coolers ever since the high end Noctua air coolers were released. The best thing now, though, is that this can be done for a fraction of the price these days 👍😁
It's because temperature matters less for cooler comparison than wattage does with AM5. AM5 is made to try and get up to 95 degrees and then adjust clock speeds and such accordingly. You will see the AIO letting the CPU run faster for longer because of heat soak it allows for.
This is a fantastic review - thorough and showcases the exact products in a comprehensive way. 11/10 good sir. Exactly what I have been looking for - just bought a phantom spirit, but a deal for arctic liquid freezer came up so I wanted to see the difference.
Thank you so much for this, these were the exact coolers I was comparing to buy. Ended up with the Phantom Sprite SE, definitely not worth double the cost to get the Artic.
Personnaly i prefer air cooler. With a little undervolt you dont even lose performance ans gain some temps and consume less power. Only the fans can fail so it’s very cheap to change. But aio is good too. Depends more of our personal taste and capability of replacing the part that fails. But a lot of people dont know that lot of motherboard company always over tweak cpu tension for « more stability » and performance. Nice video, keep going 👍.
@@sheshd arctic has a 6 year manufacturer’s warranty if they failed that often they wouldn’t be able to do that i got one it had a defect and they replaced it straight away and not had a issue since and 6 years ill likely build a whole new PC
I like air better, for all the reasons others have said. But I do acknowledge water is better in an absolute sense, but for it to be worth it in my opinion you would not only have to be using very hot parts, but doing additional measures like mounting, paste, de-lid etc. to get the big gains that make it all worth it to push the power hungry CPU/GPU. In most people's setups good air cooling is more convenient, cheaper, and more reliable. Done right, air-cooling is also the quietest, since most water setups still have pump noise.
The only complain I have about air coolers, is when the OS starts to max out the CPU cores and the CPU fans starts to spin at max RPM, just for a second. I agree that, air cooling, most of the time is cheaper and the better solution. I think that when you have a power hungry CPU, going with water makes more sens.
@@casuallygamin9 kind of a necro but could be useful for others too. On my mobo (rog B550-E) there is a setting to delay the fan response (step up/step down), which prevents such ramp ups. (in Q-fan settings) Haven't actually tested it, but I have set it to the minimum (12 secs) and there is no annoying fan ramp up ever. So it probably works the way I think it does.
@@JKGaming1414 I know of this, Fan Control has that feature. One downside to this is that you may thermal throttle as the fans will not react that fast when the temperatures reach that point
@@casuallygamin9 ah I see. Yep that's definitely a concern, it's worth the "risk" for me though (casual gaming, large heatsink). Wish it could be set to a lower delay, like 3 seconds...
Will take the phantom spirit. Thanks for comparing these three on the 7800x3d. These are exactly the coolers i was considering for my new build on the same CPU 😅
Water isn't always quieter. I ditched the LT720 because the pump was louder than the fans, and conversely the PS120 is quieter than the LT720. It also depends on your case. A Fractal Torrent or Lancool 216 with an air cooler will outperform say a H510 with a AIO. Also depends on where you live. An air cooler in Arizona summer won't be doing so good.
Thank you very much, I really appreciate the information and images. I want to buy the PS120 SE but I have been looking for days to see how the Corsair ram fits with that cooler. They look perfect and the performance of the cooler is incredible
in the past a liquid cooling tube cracked over the years and I had to throw away my PC... I've been a fan of my Noctua NH-D15 ever since. It's not pretty, but it's practical and quiet. If I had to mount an RGB Gaming PC to "show off", liquid cooling with a little screen. I have it under the table, air...
I'm sorry to hear that, I feel your pain. Never had this issue, but than again, I'm using most of the time air. One question, where did it crack, near the pump or close to the radiator. Was it custom loop or a closed loop (AIO)?
AIO makes case look much better and improved air flow for all components within the case, providing cooler air for GPU which has a lower heat tolerance.
Well, all radiators have some air inside. With time you will have more, as the liquid will evaporate through micro fissure s. If the tubes are on the top, the pump will make some wierd sound when it pulls air. When installing an AIO vertically, the best is always with tubes down and the top of the raditor to be above to pump when installed on the CPU.
thank you for this video, I am planning a similar build and this video gave me clarity that i would be better of with an aio when trying to cool while gaming as my room temps can vary a lot and especially through summer, and im willingly to replace the aio every few years. appreciate man 👏
Try the Thermalright Frost Tower 120. It's a 120 but it has a more fins ( on the bottom) and it has thermalrights faster and higher pressure fans. Same price.
I think the Peerless Assasin and Phantom Spirit, not the se versions, are the same. Both have more fins then their SE counterparts. Thermalright is wired when it comes to this, as it has so many coolers that are so close in performance, price and features that is really hard to pick one.
You should be using lower resolutions and in game settings so you max out the usage on the cpu and not the gpu. You need to be cpu bound to truly see the difference in cooling between air and liquid in gaming.
No, but it depends on the fan curve you have and the power plan. Make sure to have the latest chipset driver and set your fan curve based on your needs.
I've replaced my u12s redux with Deepcool ak620, and i'm still getting 90c temps! even with CO- 40! CPUZ stress hits instant 90c, aida64 stays something between 80~85c I've no idea what's wrong.
@@svuudi did you remove the sticker from the new cooler? What thermal paste are you using? If you increase the speed of the intake fans does it help? if you have bottom intake fans, could you stop those and see if it helps? My recommendation is to have only one exhaust fan at the back and only the 3 intakes at the fan for best airflow for air coolers
@@casuallygamin9 yea sticker is removed ofcourse, no matter how i tweak the fan speed it doesn't help, even if the case side is open, I Don't know for real, and the cpu power consumption doesn't exceed 70w or 75w max.
@@timetobargeinandgivemyopin7260 With how they evaporate their liquid through microcracks over the years, how the hell are you supposed to keep them alive?
I really am pissed with my rig ( 7800X3D) my room temps are from 27c to 29c and my pc idles at 55c/61c and when in big intense games like Once Human and Still wakes the deep I go up to 80s and as soon as it starts hitting 86c to 87c my pc will crash back to windows. I am thinking of going to AIO Cooling. I am currently using Phantom Sprite air cooler
This temps are normal. Look at his video: czcams.com/video/x8XXoqGQc7o/video.html I get more or less the same temps as you with 29 room temp. What is strange is that you crash to desktop, this should not be the case as usually the CPU will thermal throttle at 89. Are you sure it's because of the CPU?
Use hwinfo64 and log a game run. It is very unlikely that you will reach 89 degrees while gaming. Even at 29 degrees room temp I didn't reach that point. Is this a new setup? Try to repaste. Make sure that the sticker is removed from the heatsink and is sited properly. Try to reinstall the air cooler and if that doesn't help, try to run the cpu fans at 100% fan spoed and log the run using hwinfo64. To me this doesn't look like a cooler issue. Keep in mind that modern CPU should have protections in place so that these will not restart under high temps, just downclock
@@NiitoIsHere Look at the latest air cooler review from them, but they don't do it on a 7800x3d, I think they have a 7700x and a 7950x. The 7800x3d is a bit easier to cool then a 7700x.
Hello sir i need your help i saw your video and i bought arctic 280 but my system having spikes 30c to 82 when i open chrome or some games whats problem i didint understand can you help me? And where i have to plug power cpu fan or aio fan on board? 🙂
Hi, it's kinda wired to have that big of a jump from 30 to 80. Have tou removed the sticker from the AIO. Make sure that it's plugged in the CPU fan on the motherboard. Also, I recommend MX-6 as MX-5 had some issues, or even MX-4. I'm saying this as some liquid freezers came with Mx- 5 thermal paste
@@casuallygamin9 oh fuck normally i odered that two coolers but i felt on your video aircooler is bad idea i dont know maybe i should buy aircooler or i have to send all of them 😢 i have no idea what have to do because its jumping 82 and fans are very crazy loud
Air coolers are not bad, nor water coolers. What you're experiencing is wired. Arctic Liquid Freezer II is one of the most silent out there. Have you removed the sticker from the pump? It should be only the coper plate in contact with your CPU. What CPU do you have? Did you apply thermal paste as well?
@@casuallygamin9 7800x3D same with your system b650 asus tuf gaming wifi 32gb ddr5/6000 i need to do i guess new thermal paste something wrong here yes i removed sticker 🙂
Make sure to read the installation process for the AIO for AM4/AM5. In the bios of my MOBO if I install it in the AIO header it will have a wired fan curve
You need to show benchmarks. These CPUs are constantly throttling even at 70c by managing boost speeds. You can have two coolers each showing 80c but one gets a 18k cinebench score while the other gets a 17k score. Same temperature, but clearly the 18k one is the better cooler. Your 2 degree ambient temp difference in the game benchmark is also a problem.
At 70 these should not throttle as newer CPUs are ment to increase frequency until these hit the thermal limit. A 7800x3D will throttle at 89 degrees. Intel CPUs tend to throttle at higher temps, as non x3D cCPUs from AMD. This is why I show the averages from 3 runs.
@@casuallygamin9 search youtube for "Air or AIO for Ryzen 7900X and 7600X? Cooler Comparison", notice how the 7600x is the same temperature with aio and air, but the aio is 4% faster in the test. Because precision boost is always throttling, if you plot your hwinfo "effective clocks" on air vs aio the aio will be higher on average, even at lower than 80c temperatures. These cpu's eek out performance at nearly all temperatures, gone are the days of the same performance until the hard throttle limit. Precision boost is adjusting boost and voltages up to 1,000 times per second depending on load, thermal, and electrical conditions, those variables are relevant at 70c as well as 90c.
I've got a 7800x3d and I live in a hot country, this cpu is still hitting 5ghz while gaming on 85c... So no it's not thermal throttled by any means... Also no fps loss or performance loss as well, unless u hit 90c those am5 cpus won't throttle
Air or water cooling?
Obviously air, same like ptm7950 insted of liquid metal, the things is that WC is good when it is made by manufacturer, and not "water" some kind of non conductive liquid without maintance is ok, same like ps5 liquid metal made by sony, not by someone because it is too risky, thermopad PTM7950 + PS120 would be better than WC with average paste.
I never heard of thermopad PTM7950.
@@casuallygamin9 there's also a newer PTM7958, although I didn't find it in pad, only as paste.
lots of people say that that air coolers are automatically superior but in a test done by HardwareCanucks the Deepcool LT520 AIO outperformed all the Thermalright Coolers on AMD CPUs by a small margin.
I'd say it's a case by case basis. But the Phantom Spirit is 1/3 of the price of a LT520 where I live and good if you're building a PC inside a smaller case like I am.
There are not superior, but safer. Water cooling will always perform better, especially on CPUs that consum a lot of power. These days, air coolers are really close in performance to to good 240 AIOs.
I wasn't expecting the small temperature difference at CPU full load. Glad to see that air coolers can compete.
The water is cooled by air too that's why
@@tmtguitar I think water cooling has an advantage, because of the bigger surface area on the radiator used to cool the liquid and the liquids' superior thermal energy conversion from CPU to itself.
@Hello-jz5lh True!
My point is the water is cooled and limited by the radiator or fans
Air coolers have been able to compete with water coolers ever since the high end Noctua air coolers were released.
The best thing now, though, is that this can be done for a fraction of the price these days 👍😁
It's because temperature matters less for cooler comparison than wattage does with AM5. AM5 is made to try and get up to 95 degrees and then adjust clock speeds and such accordingly. You will see the AIO letting the CPU run faster for longer because of heat soak it allows for.
This is a fantastic review - thorough and showcases the exact products in a comprehensive way. 11/10 good sir.
Exactly what I have been looking for - just bought a phantom spirit, but a deal for arctic liquid freezer came up so I wanted to see the difference.
Get the phantom spirit, it beats all of them and gets near AIO levels.
Your voice was difficult to understand but your content was absolute perfection for my needs. thank you!
Thank you so much for this, these were the exact coolers I was comparing to buy. Ended up with the Phantom Sprite SE, definitely not worth double the cost to get the Artic.
Glad it was helpful
Personnaly i prefer air cooler. With a little undervolt you dont even lose performance ans gain some temps and consume less power. Only the fans can fail so it’s very cheap to change. But aio is good too. Depends more of our personal taste and capability of replacing the part that fails. But a lot of people dont know that lot of motherboard company always over tweak cpu tension for « more stability » and performance. Nice video, keep going 👍.
Yes, AIO coolers suck - weak pumps
What is a good video to tweak cpu and gpu without loosing performance?
air cooler. water cooling is just waiting for the pump to die
I built a pc in 2018 with a evga clc280 and its still running like the first day.
Pump’s don’t die often i got a 3 year warranty anyways and likely to last 10 years 10 years i would upgraded 3 times 😂
3 builds now and not a single AIO has died on me. Funny though, next rig is using a PS120se cooler
@@sheshd arctic has a 6 year manufacturer’s warranty if they failed that often they wouldn’t be able to do that i got one it had a defect and they replaced it straight away and not had a issue since and 6 years ill likely build a whole new PC
@@sheshd Same, using Corsair h100i for already 6 years, it's still working like new but now I'm changing to PS120se for my new setup
I like air better, for all the reasons others have said. But I do acknowledge water is better in an absolute sense, but for it to be worth it in my opinion you would not only have to be using very hot parts, but doing additional measures like mounting, paste, de-lid etc. to get the big gains that make it all worth it to push the power hungry CPU/GPU. In most people's setups good air cooling is more convenient, cheaper, and more reliable. Done right, air-cooling is also the quietest, since most water setups still have pump noise.
The only complain I have about air coolers, is when the OS starts to max out the CPU cores and the CPU fans starts to spin at max RPM, just for a second. I agree that, air cooling, most of the time is cheaper and the better solution. I think that when you have a power hungry CPU, going with water makes more sens.
@@casuallygamin9 I've never had that happen when I put limits on my fan speed
@@casuallygamin9 kind of a necro but could be useful for others too.
On my mobo (rog B550-E) there is a setting to delay the fan response (step up/step down), which prevents such ramp ups. (in Q-fan settings)
Haven't actually tested it, but I have set it to the minimum (12 secs) and there is no annoying fan ramp up ever. So it probably works the way I think it does.
@@JKGaming1414 I know of this, Fan Control has that feature. One downside to this is that you may thermal throttle as the fans will not react that fast when the temperatures reach that point
@@casuallygamin9 ah I see. Yep that's definitely a concern, it's worth the "risk" for me though (casual gaming, large heatsink).
Wish it could be set to a lower delay, like 3 seconds...
Will take the phantom spirit. Thanks for comparing these three on the 7800x3d. These are exactly the coolers i was considering for my new build on the same CPU 😅
Glad that it was helpful.
2 months after, certainly satisfied with this cooler
@@Deukmaybe the frost Spirit Is the better than Phantom?
@@NiitoIsHere i only test the-Phantom
@@casuallygamin9 can you do a test with frost spirit 140 vs phantom spirit on 7800x3d?
I have only a Noctua U9S with dual Silent Wings fans on it in my HTPC build. Does great in the temps and is near silent.
air is safer cuz it’s easier to build and there’s no fragile pump
Water isn't always quieter. I ditched the LT720 because the pump was louder than the fans, and conversely the PS120 is quieter than the LT720. It also depends on your case. A Fractal Torrent or Lancool 216 with an air cooler will outperform say a H510 with a AIO. Also depends on where you live. An air cooler in Arizona summer won't be doing so good.
True. It depends on the AIO, these can be loud as well. Hot summers everywhere can bring an air cooler to it's knee.
Awesome video, thank you so much! Very helpful, I think I will keep going for air cooling for this new build of mine
Thank you very much, I really appreciate the information and images. I want to buy the PS120 SE but I have been looking for days to see how the Corsair ram fits with that cooler. They look perfect and the performance of the cooler is incredible
Have a look at the Phantom Spirit 120 Evo, it is a bit better.
bro melted in the room for the test
Indeed. I just had to turn off the AC though:)
😂
in the past a liquid cooling tube cracked over the years and I had to throw away my PC... I've been a fan of my Noctua NH-D15 ever since. It's not pretty, but it's practical and quiet.
If I had to mount an RGB Gaming PC to "show off", liquid cooling with a little screen. I have it under the table, air...
I'm sorry to hear that, I feel your pain. Never had this issue, but than again, I'm using most of the time air. One question, where did it crack, near the pump or close to the radiator. Was it custom loop or a closed loop (AIO)?
AIO makes case look much better and improved air flow for all components within the case, providing cooler air for GPU which has a lower heat tolerance.
The radiator are mount wrong it’s suppose to have the tube up and more high than the pump imo
Well, all radiators have some air inside. With time you will have more, as the liquid will evaporate through micro fissure s. If the tubes are on the top, the pump will make some wierd sound when it pulls air. When installing an AIO vertically, the best is always with tubes down and the top of the raditor to be above to pump when installed on the CPU.
great test quite detailed thank you.
Glad it was helpful
Amazing vid! Was wondering if the phantom spirit would be able to handle the 7950x3d?
To be honest, I don't know. X3D CPUs tend to get hot even though they don't consume a lot of power.
Interesting Interesting thanks mate haha@@casuallygamin9
thank you for this video, I am planning a similar build and this video gave me clarity that i would be better of with an aio when trying to cool while gaming as my room temps can vary a lot and especially through summer, and im willingly to replace the aio every few years. appreciate man 👏
Glad it was helpful
Try the Thermalright Frost Tower 120. It's a 120 but it has a more fins ( on the bottom) and it has thermalrights faster and higher pressure fans. Same price.
I think the Peerless Assasin and Phantom Spirit, not the se versions, are the same. Both have more fins then their SE counterparts. Thermalright is wired when it comes to this, as it has so many coolers that are so close in performance, price and features that is really hard to pick one.
@@casuallygamin9 the FT has the better fans though
@@geezersgal1 True, I checked the specs and it seems that the fans are better. They spin at @1850RPM.
Understood maybe 10% of that.
You should be using lower resolutions and in game settings so you max out the usage on the cpu and not the gpu. You need to be cpu bound to truly see the difference in cooling between air and liquid in gaming.
did your temps spiking while youtube ? especially when I scroll down all the time
No, but it depends on the fan curve you have and the power plan. Make sure to have the latest chipset driver and set your fan curve based on your needs.
Fhis wasn't undervolted either? Very impressive
And the Phantom Spirit 120 Evo is a bit better
thx
I've replaced my u12s redux with Deepcool ak620, and i'm still getting 90c temps! even with CO- 40! CPUZ stress hits instant 90c, aida64 stays something between 80~85c I've no idea what's wrong.
Do you have good airflow? How many intake fans do you have. Increase the speed of the intake and the CPU cooler fans. What case do you have?
@@casuallygamin9 I have 5 intake fans, case is antec df600, fan graph is set to hit 100% PWM at 80c, all fans.
@@svuudi did you remove the sticker from the new cooler? What thermal paste are you using? If you increase the speed of the intake fans does it help? if you have bottom intake fans, could you stop those and see if it helps? My recommendation is to have only one exhaust fan at the back and only the 3 intakes at the fan for best airflow for air coolers
@@casuallygamin9 yea sticker is removed ofcourse, no matter how i tweak the fan speed it doesn't help, even if the case side is open, I Don't know for real, and the cpu power consumption doesn't exceed 70w or 75w max.
i am still using a dark rock slim. with co and ppt.
liquid is not worth it
Would swapping the PS120 fans for Lian Li infinity fans affect performance?
I don't know to be honest.
only noise difference.
@@soulzorI’ll just leave them, thanks for answer bro
Unless Water cooling will not require me draining water from a PC then Air cooling is here to say
you don't drain AIO's
Bro you don't drain or add water to AIOs they come with the water, it's a closed system. You never see the inside/water, ever.
@@timetobargeinandgivemyopin7260 With how they evaporate their liquid through microcracks over the years, how the hell are you supposed to keep them alive?
I really am pissed with my rig ( 7800X3D) my room temps are from 27c to 29c and my pc idles at 55c/61c and when in big intense games like Once Human and Still wakes the deep I go up to 80s and as soon as it starts hitting 86c to 87c my pc will crash back to windows. I am thinking of going to AIO Cooling. I am currently using Phantom Sprite air cooler
This temps are normal. Look at his video: czcams.com/video/x8XXoqGQc7o/video.html I get more or less the same temps as you with 29 room temp. What is strange is that you crash to desktop, this should not be the case as usually the CPU will thermal throttle at 89. Are you sure it's because of the CPU?
@@casuallygamin9 I really don't know 🤷♂️
Are you getting any errors?
@@casuallygamin9 no just crashes to desktop. Twice on fortnite the whole pc rebotted when I was playing on really hot days with temps outside at 34c
Use hwinfo64 and log a game run. It is very unlikely that you will reach 89 degrees while gaming. Even at 29 degrees room temp I didn't reach that point. Is this a new setup? Try to repaste. Make sure that the sticker is removed from the heatsink and is sited properly. Try to reinstall the air cooler and if that doesn't help, try to run the cpu fans at 100% fan spoed and log the run using hwinfo64. To me this doesn't look like a cooler issue. Keep in mind that modern CPU should have protections in place so that these will not restart under high temps, just downclock
what's the name of the software you use to control the fan curve on windows? url please?
The naqme of the software is Fan Control, getfancontrol.com/
@@casuallygamin9 Thank you sir
what's the app you used to control fans speeds ?
Fan Control
@casuallygamin9 can you do a test with frost spirit 140 vs phantom spirit on 7800x3d?
I recommend you Hardware Canucks to check the comparison as they did it already, I don't have it in the pipeline for now.
@@casuallygamin9 where Is the comparison? And about 7800x3d, the Assassin IV Is the best air cooling for him?
@@NiitoIsHere Look at the latest air cooler review from them, but they don't do it on a 7800x3d, I think they have a 7700x and a 7950x. The 7800x3d is a bit easier to cool then a 7700x.
@@NiitoIsHere Also, very important, air cooling needs good intake fans, so have that in mind.
@@casuallygamin9 about intake fans, the 7800x3d will be on the fractal torrent, theorically its the best for airflow
Ar-ti-cu-la-tion.
Hello sir i need your help i saw your video and i bought arctic 280 but my system having spikes 30c to 82 when i open chrome or some games whats problem i didint understand can you help me? And where i have to plug power cpu fan or aio fan on board? 🙂
Hi, it's kinda wired to have that big of a jump from 30 to 80. Have tou removed the sticker from the AIO. Make sure that it's plugged in the CPU fan on the motherboard. Also, I recommend MX-6 as MX-5 had some issues, or even MX-4. I'm saying this as some liquid freezers came with Mx- 5 thermal paste
@@casuallygamin9 oh fuck normally i odered that two coolers but i felt on your video aircooler is bad idea i dont know maybe i should buy aircooler or i have to send all of them 😢 i have no idea what have to do because its jumping 82 and fans are very crazy loud
Air coolers are not bad, nor water coolers. What you're experiencing is wired. Arctic Liquid Freezer II is one of the most silent out there. Have you removed the sticker from the pump? It should be only the coper plate in contact with your CPU. What CPU do you have? Did you apply thermal paste as well?
@@casuallygamin9 7800x3D same with your system b650 asus tuf gaming wifi 32gb ddr5/6000 i need to do i guess new thermal paste something wrong here yes i removed sticker 🙂
Make sure to read the installation process for the AIO for AM4/AM5. In the bios of my MOBO if I install it in the AIO header it will have a wired fan curve
Pa120se or phantom spirit 120se?
Phantom spirit 120 se. Their is no price difference and the fans are better
@@casuallygamin9 can for r7 7700x tdp 105wat?
Yes, it will work.
pls speak more slow bro
man that voice
Is it that bad?
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I don't understand, English please
Да много кто кудн`т андестенд
You need to show benchmarks. These CPUs are constantly throttling even at 70c by managing boost speeds. You can have two coolers each showing 80c but one gets a 18k cinebench score while the other gets a 17k score. Same temperature, but clearly the 18k one is the better cooler. Your 2 degree ambient temp difference in the game benchmark is also a problem.
At 70 these should not throttle as newer CPUs are ment to increase frequency until these hit the thermal limit. A 7800x3D will throttle at 89 degrees. Intel CPUs tend to throttle at higher temps, as non x3D cCPUs from AMD. This is why I show the averages from 3 runs.
@@casuallygamin9 search youtube for "Air or AIO for Ryzen 7900X and 7600X? Cooler Comparison", notice how the 7600x is the same temperature with aio and air, but the aio is 4% faster in the test. Because precision boost is always throttling, if you plot your hwinfo "effective clocks" on air vs aio the aio will be higher on average, even at lower than 80c temperatures. These cpu's eek out performance at nearly all temperatures, gone are the days of the same performance until the hard throttle limit. Precision boost is adjusting boost and voltages up to 1,000 times per second depending on load, thermal, and electrical conditions, those variables are relevant at 70c as well as 90c.
I've got a 7800x3d and I live in a hot country, this cpu is still hitting 5ghz while gaming on 85c... So no it's not thermal throttled by any means... Also no fps loss or performance loss as well, unless u hit 90c those am5 cpus won't throttle
@@aquazonecr8750 what cooler do u use
@@panospk213 phantom spirit 120 se
I got the Phantom Spirit SE but wish to get the non SE version since is always better and more ram clearance compatible .
When you say it's better, what temperature delta do you expect to have when going with the non se version?
@@casuallygamin9 is taller and more ram clearance = better temperature overall better performance.
I couldn't find that on Amazon. I will keep the Phantom Spirit SE.
@@ksouvenir5561 this is wrong, check the comparison of pcanalytics, the SE version is better
No a comparison by PC analytics showed that the non SE version is slightly crappier.