Christina Hoff Sommers and Camille Paglia on the state of contemporary feminism | VIEWPOINT
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- AEI resident scholar and Factual Feminist Christina Hoff Sommers interviews Camille Paglia, professor at the University of the Arts, on the state of contemporary feminism and how it has evolved over the last three decades.
This is part one of a nine part series featuring Christina Hoff Sommers and Camille Paglia. The other videos in the series so far can be found here:
Part 1 - The state of contemporary feminism: goo.gl/nRJ0ss
Part 2 - The fight for student liberties: goo.gl/dS1QKF
Part 3 - Intersectional feminism and safe spaces: goo.gl/cmbj8g
Part 4 - Based Mom and Based Goddess on #Gamergate: goo.gl/ZFfuzh
Part 5 - Trigger warnings and the danger of overprotecting students: goo.gl/WE29Yc
Part 6 - The “male gaze”: goo.gl/hRWfhi
Part 7 - Fixing a broken university curriculum: goo.gl/pWmpwh
Part 8 - The absence of biology in gender studies: goo.gl/QrZQEU
Part 9 - The danger of looking at history through a contemporary political lens: goo.gl/D82LYB
Be sure to check back each day this week for new videos!
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Based mom and based Aunt are basically saying "we told you so!" Love you guys keep up the fantastic work
Is based Aunt something you just made up? Cause that is fucking great.
I've already appropriated it.
That's perfect!
+Paul Torrisi yes it is xD
Camille Paglia's Based Aunt? Cool. :)
I hope there is going to be more of this. I'd like to see Christina Hoff Sommers show Camille Paglia some of the #gamergate tweets, like the one from Arthur Chu talking about wanting all men to join him in jumping off a cliff.
Thanks for the comment! I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at where their conversation goes in the upcoming parts of this series...
I agree with Chu's tweet, he can go first.......
i need the full video. please
I can never have too much Camille Paglia in my life. Two amazing feminists that I could listen to and learn so much from.
This is part one of a nine part series featuring Christina Hoff Sommers and Camille Paglia, so be sure to check back each day this week for new videos!
Fantastic! Can't wait to see the other videos.
MOAR!
I don't understand why you don't just upload the whole thing.
They just did that with another series and everyone complained about the "SPAMMING". Ugh. People.
The full interview between Based Mom and Based Goddess (with bonus content!) just released!
czcams.com/video/iv7LvRhvgNI/video.html
DUDE... DREAM COMING TRUE RIGHT NOW.
two of the most brilliant and based women on the planet
FreedomToons shut up ...they were femenists and now they turned coat.......they are nothing other than talking mouths
Hey shamus, an internet peon who resorted to ad-hominems because he can't address the the statements they made, i bet the the debunkers are probably rolling in their bunker.
@@TheMrfreedomrequired only because they aren’t saying “All men are evil.” Doesn’t mean they’re not feminists
Is that a thing they say? "All criticism is backlash?" That makes perfect sense about how emotionally and alarmist they react to criticism.
based mom and based aunt, what can't you love? I hope Christina has more talks like this
Christina is hot as f*ck I agree, More Based Mom And Based Aunt
Based Mom and Camilla Paglia, my 2 fav feminists in a convo?!?! WHHHAAAAAT!
correction: camille
what a power team!
Can't wait to hear more.
I am thrilled to see these two amazing minds in the same room. Looking forward tot he next videos in the series.
I love this channel! Thank you for bringing us so many great discussions. :)
Honestly since I discovered Christina Hoff Sommers' video on Gamergate, 'Are Video Games Sexist', my view on feminism has changed drastically. I had found myself in a bit of trouble due to some feminazis on campus, and was slandered by not only students but by lecturers as "misogynist" and a "sexual harasser" among other things... (despite never harassing anyone or saying anything that can be construed as sexist) and then later down the line I had my favourite hobbies invaded by the same kind of puritanical, fainting couch/grievance feminists. So needless to say I detested feminism and thought nothing good could come of it.
But upon watching Based Mom's video, it gave me hope that there could actually be some good in the movement. And through the evolution of Gamergate and the cultural libertarian movement, I soon ended up discovering Camille Paglia, Janice Fiamengo, Caroline Kitchens and then Cathy Young (thanks to the SPJ), and then Wendy McElroy (when she completely destroyed radfem Jessica Valenti), then Maryam Namazie (since I saw her get treated so horrifically when she talked on campus about women's rights under Islam), and so on. This whole process had made me realize that if you look past the hipsters with cultural studies degrees and the anti-male, hysterical cretins- feminism does have genuinely good people trying to reclaim it- with a good sense of humour and generally a rational and admirable outlook on life, education, gender equality and everything in between.
So thank you Based Mom!
tl;dr: Based mom is the best and gave me faith in feminism.
As a general rule. Always remember this. when your opposition calls you a name, such as "bigot or racist". Typically you get the wondrous privilege of being able to call them. "Wrong." Name calling is a sign your right. You don't need to call someone who is racist, a racist. That disposition is self-evident.
Ditto. ;)
Great start...looking forward to the rest.
This is such a tease, been looking forward to this.
It's so nice to watch those two fantastic women having this discussion! Thank you AEI!
More of these two please!
Based Mom and Based Aunt!
I was discussing this with a friend today and mentioned Christina Hoff Sommers comments and they hold so true. This self victimization and matriarchal ideologies are only a detriment to women and our society as a whole.
Please upload the whole video in its entirety!
Two based women in one video this is great.
Thanks, this was very interesting!
Finally some common sense , and logic. As a girl these are women I can look up to and feminism that I can get behind and support. Keep the safe spaces and trigger warnings. This is what real feminism is about true equality and strength not supremacy and entitlement.
Christina H. Sommers is so awesome. So, intelligent, so thoughtful, and so level-headed, I think she's probably one of the most influential people in Western Hemisphere. If more people listened to her, I think the hate, and preconceptions would slowly go away. That's what I think anyway.
This is pure gold!
This video makes me happy! Love both these ladies and I can't wait for more videos. Sexual Personae is at the top of my list of must read books for women.
Incredible.
I hope you can get it back.
looks great, do you really have to drag it out over 9 days? just load them up
I can't wait to start classes this fall since I'm in a class with based Aunt.
That's some epic pairing there
Personally in my opinion the feminist who go overboard, deep down inside on some level feel inferior in other words they believe that because they are a woman they are interior, and therefore they have to over compensate because their femininity is not enough, therefore the super woman grandiosity phenomenon- do it all by myself or certain feminine characteristics must be annihilated because they represent weakness... When I was in college, and I sat in classes where we were being programmed-indoctrinated in these feminist ideologies, I always felt that something was very wrong, and that this is not the person or woman I want to be, and as I discovered more about myself, felt more comfortable being myself, more authentic, and expressed some of these things I have gotten backlash from some of these so-called feminist that can only acknowledge one version of feminism, yet on the other end I have found some very valuable things in my femininity in being feminine, and I enjoy it more, express it more, and want to be enthralled by it, in other words I am empowered by being myself- authentic. Its hard though, and confusing when you go against the general consensus, it takes time to clear the smoke...
Well said.
Is this going to be available on a single video installment? Don't like getting this in drips, breaking up a great conversation.
QUEENS
LEGENDS.
Really looking forward to the rest of the interview. On the one hand it's great to hear what rational feminism sounds like, but on the other it's kind of depressing seeing what the movement had the potential to become.
All hail based mom!
+borabosna What more they could have become is an actual movement for equality. One of the reasons that Christina Hoff Summers is so fantastic is because she points out where feminism has gone wrong and the problems with the current movement. She also often talks about issues that men experience which is something that doesn't exist in the current feminist movement (unless they're blaming "toxic masculinity" for opressing men or some other BS).
Christina still identifies as a feminist though you could argue that she's more of an egalitarian, but my point was that if feminism was more closely aligned with the type of ideas that she presents, less dogmatic and more data oriented we wouldn't have come to associate feminism with the cancer it's become.
#BasedGoddess 🙋🏼
What wonderful and impressive people.
Funny, I never thought to think about categorizing modern feminism as "anti-art," but now that I think about it, that is exactly correct.
Sexual Personae is still one of the best critical books on art. That's when I really fell for Paglia.
My two favourite feminists!
Although, "My Favourite Feminists" is a very short list, to be fair.
Them and Germaine Greer, my holy trinity of feminism.
You can tell how intelligent they are just by how they speak and their entire vibe, now compare them to most modern feminist and tell me why anyone would ever discredit or ignore these two.
Even as a women I'm terrified of the direction feminism is headed...I'm even afraid to tell friends how critical I am of feminism because they will likely judge and see me differently. Weird times.
Gasp! Be still my heart, two of my most favorite women of all time in the same room!
AHHH I JUST BOUGHT SEXUAL PERSONAE A FEW DAYS AGO AND NOW THIS IS HAPPENING I LOVE YOU BOTH!
Two real feminists I actually respect. I don't always agree but they aren't whiny victims.
I can't remember who was interviewing her, but there is one that is a classic IMO. Where Camille Paglia gets visibly angry about modern feminism basically shitting all over everything she worked so hard to gain.
Along with Professor Janice Fiamengo two of the seemingly very rare and true equity feminist's left!
please
There are more and more women who share your views nowadays. I think some kind of organisation is needed of sex positive and male positive women to start fighting back against this nonsense. Maybe you should start something official Christina.
What a fantastic idea! I'm in!
Jeez just being a normal human makes you "sex positive" and "male positive". Why can't those things just be the default?
With the general population it is. But these people have an over-representative impact on certain sectors of society. It's in those sectors there needs to be a pushback.
What exactly does "sex positive" mean?? oO
+TheSharpeful. Back in the 60's and 70's the feminists of the time wanted to feel free in their own sexuality. Prior to that time, women were treated like "spun glass", chaperoned on dates and under a curfew at college that required them to check in and be checked on in their dorms. They felt they were being treated like children and wanted women to be empowered by their sexuality. This is often why feminists like CHS and CP get upset at the idea of the "objectified" woman. They fought to give women the right to dress and act as the woman saw fit, to make the female body a symbol of strength and empowerment. This was called the "sex positive" feminist movement. They wanted to take sex out of the shadows of shameful behaviour and bring it into the light of understanding that women like sex too.
I like the two contributors, but it doesn't look like a genuine conversation, more like they are reciting a text.
Still, respect for Camille and Christina !
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Christina Hoff Sommers is a very feminine and elegant 65-year old.
Two long time legitimate scholars talking on this issue.
I would LOVE to see either one debate with Sarkeesian xD But of course she would NEVER accept, right?
It would be like Floyd Mayweather vs a street bum xD
The principles of feminism are a good thing. But 100% agreed, it has gone wildly out of control now and I cannot support today's version of it. Imo these ladies are spot on.
The Original 1994 Interview is available at www.webcitation.org/6iPmjOBmP
Give it to feminists for proving McCarthy right.
not coming for nine 4-minute videos. If one 36 minute vid, tweet about it.
Sexual Freedom is pretty pointless without sexual responsibility - and I'd aim that comment at ALL HUMANS.
This is a history making moment .. I shall ask Galactus to spare this planet now ..
These women are prophets.
Kiss her Camille !!!!
If most modern feminists were like these two dames, people like me would be less prevalent, let me tell you that.
Get Karen! Skype that shit or something.
Was the movement in the 90's truly pro sex, or just pro women's sexuality?
Two fabulous heavyweights speaking out for social balance.
Madonna? Mary Crawford unbound.
Well it seems to me that what needs to be done is to profile the "Commissars," of academic Feminism / Gender studies. Put faces, and names together then shine a big bright light on them. Out everything they say or do, and review all of their work versus facts, and evidence. After that start removing them like the tumors they are. - My 2 Cents.
Did PC culture arise from politics or capitalism? I don't mean to stir the chamber pot, its just been on my mind lately. I feel they compliment each other in the deed, and they're both to blame in my eyes. Here in the U.S. we work politics like a business. You want as many people to vote for you, just as a business wants the most people to buy their product. You do this by pandering to all demographics and trying not to offend any potential voters/customers. Universities are businesses, sorry for the jump-scare to the uninitiated. Yep, a whole lot of feigned integrity up front, and an information-copying-money-counting business behind the curtain. Hell, they even have legal slavery! "Student athletes? Oh, that is brilliant, sir... We're not talkin' 'bout slave ownership 'tall!" I digress, The most distinguished universities are guilty just as the smaller ones. They'll try their damnedest to get you a degree in whatever bullshit so long as you're paying. Yale would have a fingerpainting PHD if enough rich kids wanted it. I can't see a solution other than growing the government a cunt-hair and setting up some peer review committee or something to regulate educational facilities into teaching factual lesson plans. Obviously this will be redundant in all the sciences but the social ones. But this all boils down to putting regulations on free enterprise. I'm okay with that to an extent, but some people get twisted bloomers. Just think, we do that and as an earmark in the bill we classify Scientology as a business and not a religion and squash them for making people pay gobs of cash for a lesson in horse-shit.
it arose from politics but a twisted form of capitalism that really only works in the short term kept it alive. it turned education into a bubble.
Really interesting question. It's probably a little of both as you said, leaning much more toward capitalism though in my opinion. Consumer culture and free market media play a big role, as they so badly pander to the population for increased ratings. The reason this is worse than politicians pandering is the fact that the media generally sets the "tone" and cultural sentiment of the country. Every time something is reported... its what people talk about for days, weeks, even years... then usually repeat/debate the same arguments heard from their selected news source.
Politicians are reactionary most of the time to get votes, and will say whatever public sentiments they have to in whatever tone the country is feeling in order to be elected, so it possibly rose more out of the 'pure democracy-esque/mob rule' nature of the free market and mass communications. Just an opinion though...
Get one of those shrieking blue-haired harpies to debate either of these incredible women and they'll be shown to be the whining babies they are.
what a power team!
Can't wait to hear more.