Lakers at Suns, 2008
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- čas přidán 26. 04. 2021
- 2-20-2008. KCAL version of that well-hyped first meeting against Shaq as a Sun, aka The Big Cactus. Good gm, but I had to catch the late nite replay and they forgot to remove that heinous Rebroadcast stamp until the 3rd Qtr. Try to ignore it best you can. Other than that, good game.
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great stuff NPZ
Amare = S.T.A.T. Standing Tall And Talented.
Thanks for this comment, NPZ. Amare was incredible at this time. I know you were a fan of him from his rookie season, when he obliterated Olowokandi with that Statue of Liberty DONK at Staples. No doubt about it, he was a big man dunker in the same bracket as Shawn Kemp, Marcus Camby, and another of your faves, Stromile Swift. A highlight could happen at any given moment with this lad on the court. Sadly, this season turned out to be his peak - at age 25. It was all downhill from here.
@@DavoBirmingham2 Thanks for the reply, Davo. I'd be interested to hear my rookie Amar'e hottakes. I know I knew he had the leg up on Yao Ming despite the NBA's deeeeeesperate need for Yao to win MVP in order to solidify the Chinese fanbase. By year 2, HOU had "coincidentally" changed their colorwayz and logo to a red that was close enough to that from the Chinese flag and the R symbol looked a lot like a Chinese/Cantonese character. It's weird that he peaked, but he's not the only one who has and you can never predict who will. EG Stevie Franchise. Everyone thot he was gonna be the same Stevie for his entire career, but nope. I did like Amar'e's(e'se'e''s's)'s power dunks tho. He was able to blast em thru the net hard like Kemp (tho not as brilliantly or as powerfully). One thing I KNOW we'll agree on is that given a time machine, STAT could've given Alton a Lister Blister. Alton was helpless against either Kemp or STAT in that regard.
@@DavoBirmingham2 Look at the block at 7:00 Yikes. I feel sad for M'Benga there. Congo Ca$h. I liked Didier-Ilunga. He was a solid backup C a la Sean Rooks. Bulky, but mobile and young. I wonder what Didier-Ilunga is up to right this moment.
If only Mike D'Antoni valued defense as much as offense...
Honestly, KK, I think those Suns are misremembered.
They were middle of the pack on D (13th in defensive rating in ‘07), no worse than the 2016 Cavs for example.
You don’t win 60 games with no defensive plan - especially when you only have two serviceable individual defenders on the entire roster (Marion & Bell).
The Shaq trade changed everything and they were woeful defensively from that point. This is the thing people miss about the demise of that team - it was the D going to shhh post-trade that did them in, not the O.
Kerr gave Mike no chance when he made that move.
@@DavoBirmingham2 Ayy, come owwwn with this Dan Tony talk. Some great Chicago Bulls fans have been heard to say that a) The Forum's colors were fantastic, and b) that Dan Tony was on par with George Karl. Are we to believe those fine Midwestern Harry Trumanesque folks are incorrect, Davo? I think Dan escaped longterm ignominy by baaaarely ekeing past the shit Kobe-ers in 2006 because of a Tim Thomas trey (a TTT). That was akin to Westphal in 93 when the much more valiant Sedale-lead Lakers got dicked by the crooked zebras in Gm5. I gotta see what Genry did or did not do in that 2010 LAL/PHX series and I'm gonna ask and find if you all has you do got what I need regarding the Suns' current 1/2 seed. Team lead by Booger. How could that team possibly be for real, though? Give me, give me, give me any takes you have on any of the aforementioned matters, Dave. P4N!
@@nonplayerzealot4 NPZ, Chicagoans would do well to stay quiet on these issues and focus on the serious problems that continue to plague their city - black-on-black crime, do-nothing leadership, the daily threat of rioting, and terrible weather.
I really hope they solve these issues soon, as I would one day like to visit the city to see the Michael Jordan statue in person. I'd only visit for a few hours, mind you, as there is little else to do there unless you particularly enjoy the sound of Polish or gunfire.
Chicago likes to market itself as "the Midwestern New York" and "NYC, but friendlier" - nice try, lads. Of course, NYC couldn't give a flying F about Chicago and wouldn't compare itself to it in a million years. Let's not forget that the revolutionary D'Antoni himself chose NYC over Chiraq without hesitation, even though the Bulls had a far better roster. Maybe that is the real genesis of Bulls fans' anti-Mike analysis?
Interestingly, Oprah and Kanye West both moved from Chicago to California at the first opportunity, and they're the only noteworthy Chicago-born celebs I'm aware of. Even Scottie Pippen (who is from ARKANSAS!) couldn't wait to get out of Chicago after a few years. Seattle, Boston, LA, Houston - you name it, Scottie preferred it.
We don't blame Scottie, for Chicago is not the basketball capital it thinks it is. Does any neutral or TV executive really ever care if the Bulls are doing well? No. The marquee teams are the Lakers, Knicks, and Celtics, and that's it. But I suppose if you're in Chicago and you look around your godforsaken region and see the likes of Detroit, Cleveland, Columbus, Indianapolis, and Minneapolis (what a depressing list), you can be forgiven for thinking your city is superior.
Personally, if I was to summarise Chicago in a sentence I would say this: It's the one place on the planet that manages to combine the division of LA, the poverty of Flint, the weather of the Antarctic, the dirty waterway of London, and terrible pizza. Cheers.
It also didn't help that he insisted on giving minutes to only 7 or 8 players, which is why those suspensions in the 2007 playoffs were so costly.
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Rebound, Pass
🎙SLAAAM DUNK!!!
The Suns ☀️ did us (and the boring Spurs) a favour by making the Shaq trade. Your Suns fan followers will attest to this, NPZ.
They had the best record in the West at the time (34-14), and they'd been unlucky in the previous few postseasons with injuries and suspensions. It just seemed like odd timing to disrupt their team and change their identity, especially to get a past-it Shaq who couldn't keep up with the pace on offense and didn't improve them on defense.
They instantly became worse at defending the ever more important PnR (see 1:46, 17:05) and for all the stupid talk that small ball couldn't win, it was the Lakers' non-Bynum lineup that destroyed teams the most the next couple of seasons.
I know Marion was a whining malcontent similar to Clyde Drexler at times, but don't go away from what made you the envy of most of the league for four years. Sorry you had to re-live this, Suns fans.
yea they did. Marion was great defender & mobile.
35:31 stop saying Kobe dont travel too. He admitted it on a talk show he travels all the time as well. 😂 It's also funny on replay like how they cut the clip right after he dribbled the ball. 😂
Do you have anything from the 2006 Lakers Suns series?
Gms 2 and 3. Gotta search my chan. I don't post full gms. Would get banned for CR strikes.
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Classic game. After this win, going to the finals didn’t really seem that crazy. Side note: Pau should’ve got 2-3 more shots per game back then.
True. You had to just shoot em yourself when you're on the floor with Kobe because he's gonna take whatever you wait too long to take. Every year we had Pau, save for maybe this first year, Pau complained about shot attempts. Said they weren't moving the ball, that was a veiled comment re: Kobe, obviously. However, Pau was one of those passive, patient dudes instead of a natural born killer on O. I would've liked him to have shot 2-3 more, but he'd have those vexing games where he refused to be GaSTRONG.
@@nonplayerzealot4 haha, good memory on Pau’s annual (delicate) complaints for more shots. And yea some games would leave you confused, but I tip my cap to Pau for coming thru more often than not it seemed. Game 7 ‘09 v Houston and obv G7 ‘10 v Boston come to mind
@@seanb199zero Hear, hear (or here, here?). I was a big Pau fan, don't get me wrong, but we all liked the GaSTRONG version better than the one who got bullied by softies like Boozer. The moment I heard we got Pau for Kwamaaay?!, besides wondering if I was being Punk'd by Ashton, I was tellin any Lakerfan I knew that we had a title in the bag, just a matter of time. Many supposed fans of the game didn't even know how good the guy was, even tho he was ROY. Still, when I talk about Pau having off nights, he wasn't even CLOSE to someone like Divac or even Elden in pulling disappearing acts. Vlade made Pau look like Mike Jordan against a guy who insulted his mother. Pau and the other bigs were critical in 2010 Gm7 for sure. That game was won with rebounds. Kobe's 6/24 gm wasn't as bad as most people were claiming and I wasn't an apologist. He pulled 15 boards which were critical.
@@nonplayerzealot4 well said, I think we’re in lockstep here. Like most diehards, I can remember exactly where I was when I heard about the Pau deal (the Quiznos next to my HS, to be exact) and you’re right, it felt like they were instantly a title contender. His prime matched up perfectly with current guys like LO and Mamba. His skill set fit seamlessly, too. And yea G7 was all about defense and rebounding - and he was killer! Wipes away all other playoff blemishes for me, like ‘08 finals and ‘11 Mavs series
Shaq was a bad fit for the Suns.
yea that trade was bad for both teams. Marion was not a good fit for Miami either. Teams went after Shaq in those pick n rolls, Hack-a-Shaq, Shaq getting old. But in the video games, those Suns team were great with J-Rich & Shaq lol
never understood why the suns made that deal. shaq (at that point in his career) was the worst possible fit in that "7 seconds or less" offense. he slowed everything down and simply couldn't keep up. meanwhile, marion was a swiss army knife type player who fit in perfectly. kerr was such a terrible GM