Does Nevsky + Joan of Arc [prime] need a Horn of Fury? Rage Simulation Tests!
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2024
- How does the best cavalry pair in the game, Nevsky with Joan of Arc [prime] work with horn of fury? Given the rage that Joan prime provides, do you even need a horn of fury on the march? And what talent build should you use? This video has the answers.
0:00 Intro
1:48 Rage Simulation
4:08 Tests
7:09 Results
10:07 Horn of Fury
12:10 Rage Optimal Talent Builds
16:14 Nevsky + Joan Talent Trees
19:20 Summary
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Very very nice video. Thats what im looking for from rok content creators - informative data not just speculations. Good job!
Incredible video - this is one of the most in-depth video I have seen, explaining all those mechanics in detail. Thanks for taking the time to write that algorithm too!
Great content 👌
Great video! Would have been interesting to see the effect of a special talented horn of fury since it was a rally lead that asked you about this :D
Great video thank you
Great video
Very good contents thank you for the analysis
Drogothein's video on the war drums is also interesting vs the horn of fury. His conclusion is you can go with less drums than horns for the same rage. Ty for the video
One constructive criticism about wick and about anyone doing rage work is that they assume that every march is going to deal out counter attack damage. That just isn't the case in a five march surround, where one march is legit dealing and receiving both attack and counter attack damage. But, you have 4 marches that will be hitting the target and not be receiving direct attack from the enemy, meaning you will not be dealing counter attack damage. This really changes the face of rage gaining. It makes horn and feral nature a lot more relevant when you take the lack of counter attack (ie 16 rage per counter attack) into the equation.
This is why I default to getting feral nature, and horn, almost always.
My rage simulator allows you to remove the counter attack rage. But it's true most calculations assume you are also being attacked.
@@PsychOutROK great! ty : ) I don't know if you have done the simulation specifically looking at the lack of 16 rage per turn. I am almost sure that I can bet that in such simulations, feral nature at 4 or 5, along with horn becomes a lot more relevant. : ) I'd be curious if you have or plan to have such a testing : ) cheers. and ty! great vid!
OMG have i just found wick gaming 2.0 👀🥳🥳🥳
Great video, finally someone who can do the math. For openfield, have you considered how having a william and/or war drums nearby would affect the results
I can put that into the simulator, all of those features are built it. It's a little tricky because those buffs can come at semi-random times.
hi: I make a big distinction between dealing out counter attack damage vs not dealing out counter attack damage. When I do a five march surround, at least 4 of my marches do not deal counter attack damage. (ie: the enemy is only directly attacking one of my marches, and that is the only march dealing counter attack damage). With each counter attack being 16 rage, that is a huge chunck of rage that I am not gaining. This makes the calculus for feral nature very very different. It is all the more reasons to max feral nature and to have horn. Those 16 rages per turn, or lack thereof, amounts to a huge delay in cycling.
So conclusion: in a five march, often 4 out of the 5 marches will not be dealing counter attack, meaning it is all the more important to have horn and feral nature to make sure that we have the acceleration needed to fire off that skill.
I feel like if you did this for every commander, that could potentially liven up all the vanilla talent builds everyone has posted everywhere :). Great job man! I personally would love to see what a Boudica\YSG w/ Horn and Feral Nature would look like since YSG is basically a walking Feral Nature bot himself haha.
Good suggestion. I have a video on Boudica Prime including talents, but those assume Nebu, Artemisia, or Gilgamesh as the secondary. I just fired up the simulator now for Boudica Prime + YSG.
@@PsychOutROK thank you!
@@PsychOutROK will you be posting the results to the Boudica video or a future video?
Did you stop making videos :(?
@@Ridiculoso No, I just haven't had time to record the video yet with holidays and some personal vacation.
Great video. Would u put entertaining video, like battle test video, not just analtycal. But this is great.
I will see what I can do!
Voy a compartir tu cana en grupo español me gusta como explicas.. saludos
Muchas gracias amigo! 🙂
Nice video! Can you run guan Leo and maybe guan scipio in the simulation to see the optimal build please
I've actually already run Guan + Leo, just never made a video about it. The optimal rage for Guan + Leo has either 2 points or 5 points in Feral Nature. Personally, I like 2 points there from a rage standpoint, so long as you have a good use of your other 3 points.
17:00 -> You could put 2 points in the ‘Latent Power’ talent, it gives 4% extra skill damage instead of 2% attack
In 1v1 its clearly horn and 3/5 feral nature is the best. But what about my 2nd march? Assuming nev+joan already have horn, should my 2nd march use horn or ring of doom is better? Can you do a test with 1st march nev+joan buff+horn, what item should 2nd march be?
Ideally both marches would have horn and ring. If you only have one horn and one ring, then I would put them both on your best march and use it as frequently as possible.
I was rewatching your vids and thought... if one luckily talented a horn, who would benefit the most - Boudica, Guan, Nevsky or doesn't matter? Whale problems but I'd appreciate the math you do Thanks
Hey Jay - it's a good question. I haven't done many analyses on the proc horn (though my simulator can do it) but it is one I have thought about. I think the interesting tests will be on XY and Joan because of their rage mechanics, but it is worth checking out.
Idk but to me it seems like rage timing the joan passive extra 2000 damage factor to work every skill cycle is better than having 6 turn cycles but missing the extra joan hit every other cycle
It's a good thought, but you are also reducing your uptime for all of the other active skill effects if you do that. The basic question is which is better: getting a bonus 3rd skill every cycle but slow cycles vs. a bonus 3rd sill every other cycle, but faster cycles? I'm pretty sure keeping your cycle speed faster is better long term, even if it means you only trigger joan's 4th every other cycle.
Hey bud really enjoying the content lately and new look. Keep up the great work!
Just a technical piece of advice: Somehow the sound track is just slightly off from the video. I don't know if you have it running through OBS with effects or delay but it's about 5-10ms off which becomes very distracting. I noticed it on a lot of your recent videos since switching to the new layout. Just something to look at.
Just to add..some are worse than others. This one isn't too bad at all. And obviously the content is great so that helps haha
Thanks! I was doing some other testings with timings and noticed the sound / video was off and actually put an offset (500ms, you were close!) in. I'm taking it off now and I will see if that fixes it.
Hi ,I have nevsky ,saladin,William 5551, which cav commander should i work on next ,i am not a cav main and i am wanting to do 2 cavs March
I would work on Joan in that scenario with the target of Nevsky/Joan and Saladin/William. Depending on what comes out next, you can consider getting to a 5511 XY to replace your Saladin.
I have a question expertised nev better with 5511 william or start working on joan, only one cav march for now
That's a legitimately tough question. My vote would be to take William to 5551 first (that's a 190 sculpture investment from where you are at) so that you have a seriously legitimate cav march. Then try to get Joan to 5xx5. That's only 110 for her, but getting 5115 requires a lot of luck, so it is likely to be a much bigger investment.
I might be persuaded to go Joan if your next KVK fight was a long way away though.
@@PsychOutROK ty for ur feeback rly appreciate it
Great Video Psych!!!! Now can we do xy/joan??
Got an XY/Joan analysis all recorded. Will publish soon.
@@PsychOutROK looking forward on it bro🥳
@@demim9251 It's up!! 🙂
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Tengo a xy y william nevsky y juana como llevarlos en campo? Pls
XY + Joan y Nevsky + William
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XY + William y Nevsky + Joan
Prefiero el primero
@@PsychOutROK gracias luego sube un video de pruebas joana en pvp. Saludos
Hi , i know nevesky joan better than Joan nevesky , but remmber if joan be primary comonder she quick fire her skill and buff and when 4 skill work she buff again. My point in openfield 1. Beacuse of buff better joan primary. 2. Beacuse of support talent ( more tankiness) joan need primary
Hi Alireza! You are in luck! I have a video coming out very soon where I look at Joan as the primary commander. Stay tuned!
its ok joan 515 my nev is max
You want 5 in her first skill and 5 in her 4th skill (5xx5) is good to go.
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Why is this even a question? Trajan gives 50 & you need horn/Drum so why would Joan be more relevant… this is nothing new.
Sorry to disappoint you (thought it does seem other people found it useful). I think the key difference here is that not only does Joan give 20 rage per second for 3 seconds, she also procs rejuvenate more frequently because her skill fires twice (every other skill cycle). When you combine that with horn, questions about over-raging are certainly legitimate. In this case, I didn't even include other buffs that you might get like William's (in another video, I showed that they appear to stack). I also didn't include situations where her march is losing the fight (where the base rage gain is larger) or situations where surrounded, where more counterattack rage is generated. In any case, if you have suggestions for other questions, I would be happy to hear them.
@@PsychOutROK hi good video, can you make a video which is better horn or Drum??
@@moutan100 I will look into that!