Your have no control with the pull saw. You were trying to cut on the forward motion. And putting too much weight on both saws. It all show up in the cut. Look closer at your video.
Want to avoid tear out? Take a sharp knife or marking knife and mark your cut line with that instead of just a simple pen or pencil mark. Cut the fibers before you cut the board, no tear out. I prefer the pull saw over the "push" saw for the fact that, it's easier to "pull" through the wood than it is to "push", less chance of the blade to "catching" into the work piece. Just my thoughts.
I have the same Japanese saw as you. However, mine is new. It makes a very polished cut. It might just be the your broken teeth are what is making the cut rough.
Good video points all around .. but minus points for using a clearly worn japanese saw. And also minus points for not mentioning the depth of cut limitations of the western saw. But all and all good video. Keep it up.
Not sure if your comparison is fair. It seems that your Veritas is a brand new blade and your pull saw has seen better days. I think that difference is most apparent in the shoulder cut roughness. Now as to value Veritas 76bucks Z-saw 29bucks IF you REALLY enjoy saw sharpening over the course of 10 years the Veritas is cheaper. Sharpening is NOT woodworking. Spend 18.50 3 times and save the hassle.
@@richardsinger01 you're not sharpening that Veritas saw in 10 minutes. What do you think it has a 7 TPI pitch? That saw could have upwards of 185 teeth on it. Trying to sharpen such a fine pitch saw could lead to eye bleed.
A difference which you never seemed to mention is the fact that japanese saws seem to have little or no 'set' to the teeth (the 'clearance' seems to be provided by the shape of the teeth). I don't find my saws with japanese style teeth bind in the cut, a western saw with too little 'set' does, each has it's advantage.
Just a tip: If music is used, keep it to instrumental. Also, the music should be under the audio of the video for videos like this. You want to hear the music, but you want it be more subtle. People come to these channels to not listen to music, so the less distracting it is the better.
With respect, I’m not sure your Japanese saw technique was very good. The Japanese have a very specific technique in which very little downward pressure is placed on the saw itself. Also, Your cutting angle varied up and down several times while make a single cut, which is not good form. Even using a courser Ryoba, I don’t have lines is jagged as yours. It may be that you personally are more comfortable with the western style saw. I have both, I like them both.
I've watched only a few WoodWorkLIFE's and have enjoyed them. Thanks. I'm a little confused on this one, though, especially since I very rarely use a hand saw. Why compare a well sharpened saw of any kind to a saw that is beat up enough to even have broken teeth?? Isn't that sort of an orange to apples kind of thing?
+TwoRails Rails they've both been in my shop about a year. So its more just a real world comparison. The Dozuki is still very sharp though, believe me. When I was doing the finish cuts I avoided the broken teeth, it's about at inch of the blade.
BTW they do make Japanese saws with blades that can be sharpened, it's just not the near low end like most people in the west like to buy. Plan on spending $150 or more for a traditionally made (not massed produced) hand sharpenable Japanese saw.
Yes they do, but still it is a very complex and time consuming process to get the japanese style filing right, compared to the much simpler geometry of western saws. For most people it will not make sense. Not even pros. You'll need a very specific task for it, that a western saw is unable, or at least very bad at performing, before I'd even consider it, but maybe things like cutting ultra thin veneers or something could be just that.
Appreciated the topic...the light and feel of the shop is very inviting...I am not sure the music supports the overall style that seems to be emerging...best wishes...
Considering the Dozuki had missing teeth I think the results look the better of the two. If you're worried about blade availability or the company going out of business then buy Gyokucho Japanese saws.
Interesting video. Is it fair to say the blade insertion into the handle design is universal on Japanese saws? They have a screw and a notch in the blade for the screw to engage in, I'd expect they're all the same? Anyone know?
Really nice comparison video, I must add, after changing to japanese saws I've never bothered with western saws. I have always managed to get a much better cut with a pull saw. I was surprised to see your veritas was smoother. Not in my case! Anyway, I digress, you have a new subscriber!
Welcome!!! I suppose it is the fact that my stroke is naturally tuned to a western saw from experience. I typically reach for a Japanese saw above any another saws in my shop. I look forward to seeing you around in the comments.
Beautiful Effort man, I just noticed that the teeth configuration of the Dozuki is more of a cross cut , if you take a look at a ryoba Japanese saw (which I believe is the Ultimate saw so I am a little biased there) you will see that there is a side with teeth same as that Dozuki but the other side is with more straight (Rip) teeth which should give you an even thinner cut for your Dovetails. I know that you've posted your video 4 years ago , but it is the effort done in the video that made me want to contribute. Good job man.
You are bias. I have seen videos seeing the master woodworkers in Japan cut the joinery, and the surface is smooth like it has been planning . Their joinery cuts when put together it is snug fit and without using glue.
Show me ANY video of a Japanese joiner NOT using a plane or a chisel on a joint and I will eat my words. I will give you that I am by no means a master with either of these saws, but I do have a ton of hours of practice and use.
The gyokucho brand dozuki saw is leaps and bounds better than this one and the teeth won't come off. Veritas is classic but I prefer Japanese after using one! Cool vid
Wood.Work.LIFE. Amazon. Look up dozuki saw gyokucho and I believe it's around $40 or so. I have one of their ryoba saws and it's a phenomenal saw for around $35
for a direct comparison, look at either the 371 or 372 from gyokucho. you can also buy a complete saw and a replacement saw for less than the wonderful Veritas.
The difference between asian and western saw is that Japanese wood workers work mostly with softer woods not soft wood softer woods. Most traditional western tools are meant for harder dryier wood. And if your saw was sharp and set properly your dovetail western saw wouldn't have tear out.
I have one Japanese saw( ryoba) and I love it to death, When I sell another piece I'm probably going to get a dazoki saw(i'm a samurai carpenter nerd). By the way, tried a rubber mallet, so yeah you converted me.
What'd I tell ya :) Not just for paint cans. It is nice because the weight of the head does all the work for you and the sweet spot is huge, plus you can choke up on the handle for precision work and still get good power behind each stroke. I love the Samurai's channel, I just want to hold that Alec Steele and Ebony Slick. I love my Dozuki for so many task even for a cheap one it gives you great results. I see we are members of the friendliest rivalry in baseball...Go Cards!
That chisel is amazing, If I had it I would be afraid to sharpen the thing. When I was little when we first moved to Chicago, my dad asked me to pick which baseball team to cheer for the sox or cubs. well with all the grace of a 2 year old I picked the "tubs". Stinkin dexter fowler......;)
+Jack Brennan Ha, I'd rather have Rizzo, Bryant, and anybody else in that wrecking crew lineup. We have Yadi, I mean he's a demi-god, but he's not going to win us a championship.
Yeah we have wrecking crew.....when they all are hitting well, right now bryant is the only one hitting well, But could really care less about whether or not we win another championship, one is good enough. Just glad to see in my lifetime.
Not sure if I agree with the comment on value. The Veritas costs over 3 time what the Z saw does. I have been wood working my whole life and I almost never sharpen my hand saws. Usually, I see a new one and want to build up my tool collection before any of them get too dull to use. The Z saw is so cheap (I have seen it for under $20) that I can replace it. It's the number one selling saw in ASIA (there are a few people in Asia) so I am pretty sure Dozuki won't be going out of business. Value...the Z saw hands down. I personally like the pull saws better and I know plenty who have converted like me upon trying but I know plenty who love western saws. Preference is the decider...but value goes to the Z.
+Rotwang72 depends on your definition of value, but I think theyre both must have saws for people that actually use their saws and don't want to just look at them. If I get 1.5-2 yrs per blade at 15$ a pop they are basically the same price over 5 years. Anything beyond the Veritas can sometimes just be a show piece with minimal improvement in performance. I think I probably should be bought the 14 tpi version of the Veritas I probably wouodve liked it more. Thanks for watching an commenting! Welcome to the WWL family.
I recently bought a Veritas magnetic dovetail combo. It comes with a Japanese pull saw with no back. I already own the Veritas back saw. I did my own comparison over a few weeks. I found the Japanese saw frustratingly slower and in my hands it wobbled occasionally. I’ve never had much of a problem starting the cut. I’ve rehandled a couple of gents saws, just as an experiment. It didn’t improve my accuracy.
Japanese saws come in different qualities and brands. Imagine watching a video from Japan comparing their higher end saw to a Canadian saw, and they use something from Canadian Tire or Home Depot. Lol
A nice walk through for everyone to follow. You do have a bit of pears and apples going on though. Although you might find a dovetailsaw in every other shop, garage or flea market, it is not a general purpose saw, it is very much specifically built for dovetails, which is why you are struggling to reach your deep cuts - it was never designed for it. If you want a more general purpose western saw, you have (at least) 2 options: One being the larger, but not necessarily with much bigger teeth, carcass saw, for yup you guessed it: carcass work in cabinetry. This would usually be a cross cut filed saw as opposed to it's sister, the tenon saw, for rip cuts. Phleagm vs chisel teeth. The other one being a panel saw, which is very good for long and deep cuts, since it has no back, but quite a heavy saw plate to mitigate the stresses of a push style saw with no back. Also meant to be used at the bench, since the blade is somewhat shorter, than on a regular joiners saw. You can get away with having the simple filed rip/chisel pattern on all of your fine toothed saws, whereas you will need the real diamond filed cross cut teeth on heavier cross cut saws, to avoid pinching. You'd never use one of the fine toothed ones to rough things in, but only to cut to final size, to avoid planing too much on the end grain... if you want to make light work of it anyways. So... One will need a set of sorts... Those are all not really just western style saws... more specifically, they are English style saws. In continental Europe we used frame saws... Yes, the other ones took over, but people are still trained in them in some parts. Here a set of saws consists of 3. Coarse cross cut, coarse rip cut and a mediumfine rip cut. Along with a good set of chisels and a couple of sharp and true planes and axes, you can make pretty much anything you want in wood. The finer more specific tools just make it easier and faster. just like power tools.
I will start with the same comment about the music, but i like your videos and your approach. That being said i'm not sure this was a fair comparison. Your Veritas saw, which is a great tool, was compared to a dozuki with a jacked up blade. you really should have done this with a saw that had a blade without broken teeth. I mean they are only $24. However I have a Lie-Nielsen and a dozuki and i think your comments on the comfort of a western grip were dead on. I love the build and construction of my Lie-Nielsen, but it was a $125 saw. My Japanese saw cuts a thinner kerf hands down. I think that if you are new and dont have any bad habits to break a Japanese saw will get you going faster. But I still love my western saw, its heft, build quality and feel are second to none. Overall a good video i just wish you had done the shootout with a new or newer blade in the dozuki
Entertaining but I think, that this comparison is not correct. There are specific saws on Veritas and blades for the Dozuki, for ripp cut and for cross cut. There is big difference in performance if you use a dovetail saw (that is generally a ripp saw) to do cross cuts or a Dozuki with a cross cut blade. Try this test with a gyokucho 371 for cross cuts, and there is no comparison, the time and specially the finish are far superior to any western saw. The other aspect is that this test compares a blade with several teeth broken (that specially on Japanese saws shouldn't be used anymore) with a sharp western saw. A Japanese saw when is cutting with some broken teeth is going to misalign the cut and produce scratches on the side parts of the wood due to microbends of the blade teeth. On the other side the cutting action needs also to be performed using gravity on the descending movement and at a specific speed( faster and light on traction movement, other than that, the wood fibers will be teard not evenly cut. Also important is to hold the Dozuki on the back side. Gives much more precise movements and let the arm rest lower in a much better ergonomic position. Less efford and better cuts. Lastly the piece should be lower and the arm that is operating the saw should run free from your body in a long motion without be restrained by your body (generally at your hip )
I have to agree that the music, and especially the volume of the music, is most distracting. Seriously, you cannot pick music that everybody will like, so it is far better to stick with your content and let the viewer find their own music to listen to, or to just listen to the sound of your tools in action.
As far as value it would depend on how much you use them. Half the price for a Japanese saw. For a beginner I chose the Japanese saw. Depending on how long it lasts me I may choose to go with the western style. Thanks for the information.
so you have given us examples of the cuts when using a broken Dozuki blade vs a sharp western blade? that blade needs a replacement man they cost almost nothing. Aslo i think its kinda weird making a test when one thing is clearly broken .
+Badger Workshop well of course, then you need your rip saw, you panel saw, your case saw, your cross cut saw, and you need all the tooth counts of each, and then you need multiples so you don't have to sharpen. Then you just have to buy more cause theyre on sale and it's be a crime not to ;). Just go build something 😜
I'd like to add some opinions: 1. Some teeth on your Japanese saw might be sticking out sideways. That's why your cut is a bit rough. You can push them back easily and your cut will be a lot smoother. 2. The long handle of Japanese saw allows for two handed operation. Also the pull motion should be a bit downwards. Let gravity work for you. It speed things up and reduces fatigue quite a lot.
To your question...either something quiet...that remains in the background...or perhaps nothing at all...A lot of folks love the feel of Paul Sellers' teachings...everyone could do a lot worse...Hope I was clear that there was much in your presentation that I enjoyed...Perhaps another note...I have always enjoyed summarizing comments in teachings...Dale Barnhardt does an especially good job of this....Dale the Cabinet Maker...
+Jett Keyser I wioo obviously have my own style but I'm always tweaking it. I like music in my videos when there isn't much going on worth talking about. I don't much want too mellow of music to put people to sleep. Maybe I need to be more selective in my ambiance. Thanks for the feedback.
Wood.Work.LIFE. Wood.Work.LIFE. Personally I really liked the music you chose. Definitely gave it a bit more spark than just an acoustic guitar you see in most woodworking videos. Maybe editing a little tighter to transition right on a beat? That'll make it feel more integrated into the video. Or have the music volume be a little lower than the rest of the audio so it hangs a little more in the background.
Ya still working on that, it was a bit heavy handed in this video, I am trying to step it back. I mean, you can't please everyone with genres, but you can at least get the levels right. What did you like about the video otherwise?
Well, it is vague just to say "The Dozuki Saw", because you can get these saws with different type of teeth, different sizes, extra hard. In a german shop you can find 25 Dozuki saws with different sizes, teeth shape, teeth size and so on. You can get them for crosscut, ripcut and with an universal blade for both
Gah, that's a tough one, but on a deserted island I would take the Dozuki as it would have better cut capacity, and more versatility, the teeth on the Western saw would hold up better though...now you have me thinking. If you had one saw in your tool chest though I would saw go Dozuki, if I had two, i would get both :)
The biggest downside to Japanese style saws is the handles are just way to long and not conducive to good body mechanics for the vast majority of users.
I noticed that you were not very confident with the Pull saw. You did not use the whole blade. were as you did with the Western style saw. I think the pull action once mastered pound for pound is very much better. This is probably why the craftsmen in the east do not take on the western style saws. I use a very cheap pull saw and get very good results for less effort than if i had a western style saw at the same price. Mind you at the end of the day weekend par time makers like myself are pushed for time and money. Great video sir. Count me in as a new suscriber
+Ian Brodie Smith I was avoiding the broken teeth for consistent results. I agree with you on the pull motion, it is a much more natural feeling motion taking advantage of the properties of your body and the steel. Welcome to the WWL family!
I have Japanese saws that are sharpenable. You send them to what is called a Matata. They readjust and charlene the teeth. This is is for the nicer handmade saws. Not amazon cheapies.
Ya, I compared these two saws since they are most people's introduction to eastern and western saws for joinery. I would have my own recommendations for actually buying but honestly with these two saws the result is a push at best.
I love the pull saws. Like you said, a thin kerf and the ability to flush trim makes it a multi-use tool. 👍 I really like your shootout videos, they are unbiased, and somehow seem to highlight each tool's benefits, and less focus on their weaknesses. Always a fair shootout though!
Thanks for the vid. Great comparison. You're last line sums it all up. I've seen men make amazing things without "high end" tools. I love a quality tool, but I won't let lack of money keep me from building. Hone skills, as well as blades.
Yes Veritas backsaw saws straighter because the blade is thicker, and dozuki blade is thiner - about 0.3mm. Try to hold the japanese saw at the end of the handle it will saws straiter. And the main point - the Sharpening of a Japanese saw only for a kross cut not for rip and your baksaw is universal. Try Ryoba 9-1/2" Double Edge Razor or SUIZAN Japanese Pull Saw Hand Saw 9-1/2" Ryoba ( Double Edge ) their blades are thiker about 0.6-0.9 mm
not sure if it is just because of the filming or the broken teeth or whatever, but it looks like you're only using a third of your saws. what helped me a lot was the tip I think I read in a Chris Schwartz book, to imagine, that the saw is longer than it actually is...
I bought a Japanese saw just like that one and I tried my damnest for two days to make one single straight cut. It made me that that woodworking wasnt for me. I took the saw back and got a 16 point crosscut veritas saw and the first cut was dead on 90 . I am a western woodworker from now on. I found a Stanley 26 in panel saw for 1$ at a thrift store. It was covered in paint and rust, and the handle was old and loose. I sanded it to a mirror finish and sharpened it to a rip cut. Now it is my go-to saw for cutting lumber. Its quicker than lugging my miter saw and extension cable . So western saws work well for me
I went the other way around. I bought the 14 TPI saw first, then got the 20 TPI. Trust me, the 20 is better. The 14 is nearly impossible to get a cut started where you want it without it skipping around! It cuts a little faster once it's started, but it's very frustrating to get the initial cut. That's the genius of Rob Cosman's saw - finer TPI at the tip to start the cut, then coarser for the majority of the blade to cut quickly.
I am not aware of any "brands" that make a sharpenable Ryoba or Dozuki available here in North America, I know you can get one made for you in Japan, but they are quite $$$ I asked Bearkat Woods how much he would charge me to make a Japanese style saw like his. I think another one of the challenges is getting a proper file to even sharpen the teeth on a razor saw.
I was not expecting a direct response from the channel owner or a response so quickly, thank you very much! With that information said, would it not be possible to simply take a traditional American version and flip the blade around to have a pull stroke? Perhaps I don't understand how the saws actually function so thank you and please forgive my ignorance.
+Let's Plays you could but it kind of defeats half the purpose of the Dozuki (the thin kerf) some of the really nice American saws have a set of teeth right near your hand sharpened with a different rake to make a cut easier to start. You can also sharpen your blades that way. Paul Sellers has a nice video on that. I think another problem might be the ergonomics of the grip on a pull stroke. I think it might be the grip, but it might just be training, but with my western saws, my backstroke is less than clean.
+Wood.Work.LIFE. BTW half the reason I'm here is the community, I love responding to comments. As long as I can keep up. I watch for the first few hours. Thanks for watching.
If you wanna make a test doit well. There are Japanese saw for hart and soft wood even for Bamboo, there are saw hardened and not hardened. the veritas are more then triple the price of japanese saw. so the test is rubbish. If you do a test doit good and no nonsens. by the way dit you sharp the veritas by yourself?
I have sharpened it since, with the high TPI saw, I did lose a few teeth. In retrospect I would've bought a lower TPI saw from them. I can't live my life without nonsense...sorry.
I think your key point about sharpen-ability is misguiding. Doesn't it cost around $20~$35 to have a saw sharpened? I can imagine it's a big pain to sharpen one yourself. With that said, most Home Depot like places sell brand new Japanese handsaws for $20~$35. Clearly the Japanese hand saw has the advantage.
Z Saw Dozuki blades are induction harden but they are harden too much and this makes them brittle. I have one and the tooth started to break at the slightest signs of binding so avoid forced downward pressure to cut faster because blade will chip.
constructive criticism here, can you please line your audio and video up better, please? there were time you were hold g the back saw and talk g about the pull saw
It looks like you used a 2 year old japanese saw with a nlot of broken teeth and a newish veritas saw. It looked like the japanese saw preformed better considering the wear.
Loved the video for content and production...minus the singing crickets. I look forward to seeing more vids, but I hope that I'll find the crickets to be out of town. I subscribed.
If you can't sharpen it, it is garbage. You don't save money by buying throw away garbage and replacing it, when you could have just bought the correct saw to begin with.
In my opinion it is hard to admit that the Japanese are better at certain things like making saws and you were testing a saw with what you say was missing teeth maybe do it again with brand new saws also most people even if they know how will not take the time to sharpen there saws unless they are extremely valuable
+Jason B I find myself torn between both, I like my Japanese saw and I like my Veritas saw. They both have their places but the Japanese saw is much more versatile.
I would also add the price comparison you could buy like 8 or 10 Japanese saws that cut better in my opinion for the price of 1 veratas saw witch I think is insulting that American people do nothing but screw each other I can buy a Japanese blade and make my own handle and top band for a fraction of what they are asking for American saws again just my opinion but if you are an ok woodworker you can make it and you feel good every time you use it
От 9.36 минуты видео и до 9.43 минуты , я вижу как автор поворачивает японскую (насухо закаленую) японскую пилу в бок (влево) , это как минимум раз . Теперь мне понятно почему он потерял за 2 года эксплуатации этой пилы несколько зубьев . Это худшее сравнение инструментов что я встречал в сети . Автор вимо не владеет не только информацией о инструменте , но и собственными руками .
SHEESH! Soooo tired of everyone being offended by everything. Personally, I'm done avoiding offense. It's good for them- the poor snowflakes just dont know it yet.
It would've been much better had they both been new saws. You can't really say one is better than the other when one of them is literally missing teeth...
I worked with what I had, tried to give them both a fair shake. To be fair, even after buying a replacement blade shortly after noticing the broken teeth, I still don't get a PERFECT cut with the Dozuki. It is easier to start a cut with a fresh blade but the results are the same.
Wood.Work.LIFE. Thanks for the response. That's interesting. Now I have a better idea of which I would be more interested in. I do prefer the back pull blades much more over a push.
Holy smokes that music was obnoxiously loud.
I'm telling you. I made it to about 6 minutes into the video. Not going to listen to that nonsense one more time.
Loud or not so loud, it's still a mindlessy obnoxious noise.
Your have no control with the pull saw.
You were trying to cut on the forward motion.
And putting too much weight on both saws.
It all show up in the cut. Look closer at your video.
Want to avoid tear out? Take a sharp knife or marking knife and mark your cut line with that instead of just a simple pen or pencil mark. Cut the fibers before you cut the board, no tear out. I prefer the pull saw over the "push" saw for the fact that, it's easier to "pull" through the wood than it is to "push", less chance of the blade to "catching" into the work piece. Just my thoughts.
I have the same Japanese saw as you. However, mine is new. It makes a very polished cut. It might just be the your broken teeth are what is making the cut rough.
I do find it slightly offputting that theres a perfectly kept up westen saw being compared to a 2 year old saw with no upkeep and broken teeth.
Good video points all around .. but minus points for using a clearly worn japanese saw. And also minus points for not mentioning the depth of cut limitations of the western saw. But all and all good video. Keep it up.
Thank you for your good demonstration. Veritas has been making fabulous saws, and ZETSAW has it's own advantages too.
I still use my zetsaw more
@@WoodWorkLIFE We've developed a new Hardwood Dozuki saw series for cutting dovetails. Really hope you that you will enjoy the saws.
@@Z2010p8 I'd love to give it a shot
@@WoodWorkLIFEPlease kindly send your post address to pc155@z-saw.co.jp. We will present you the saw.
I like both! Also I have a back saw with no back for those really deep cuts! Works great! Thank you for this test.
Not sure if your comparison is fair. It seems that your Veritas is a brand new blade and your pull saw has seen better days. I think that difference is most apparent in the shoulder cut roughness. Now as to value Veritas 76bucks Z-saw 29bucks IF you REALLY enjoy saw sharpening over the course of 10 years the Veritas is cheaper. Sharpening is NOT woodworking. Spend 18.50 3 times and save the hassle.
Bruce Welty throw away blades are wasteful. 10 mins to resharpen a saw is no hassle.
Bruce Welty throw away blades are wasteful. 10 mins to resharpen a saw is no hassle.
@@richardsinger01 you're not sharpening that Veritas saw in 10 minutes. What do you think it has a 7 TPI pitch? That saw could have upwards of 185 teeth on it. Trying to sharpen such a fine pitch saw could lead to eye bleed.
@@1pcfred i love it how people on the internet like to talk bs, I sharpen a dovetail saw in 5 minutes 1 stroke on each tooth this is all it takes.
@@igoryakunin685 well good for you. Sounds like you're doing what you love to me.
The music is annoying...
Close your ears
Excellent video, do we really need the head banging audio.
Sorry, I was still getting used to sound design. This CZcams thing is hard...
@@WoodWorkLIFE The video doesn't need any extra sound.
A difference which you never seemed to mention is the fact that japanese saws seem to have little or no 'set' to the teeth (the 'clearance' seems to be provided by the shape of the teeth). I don't find my saws with japanese style teeth bind in the cut, a western saw with too little 'set' does, each has it's advantage.
Just a tip: If music is used, keep it to instrumental. Also, the music should be under the audio of the video for videos like this. You want to hear the music, but you want it be more subtle. People come to these channels to not listen to music, so the less distracting it is the better.
Thanks, I have since gotten much better at music usage. But I appreciate the postive feedback.
With respect, I’m not sure your Japanese saw technique was very good. The Japanese have a very specific technique in which very little downward pressure is placed on the saw itself. Also, Your cutting angle varied up and down several times while make a single cut, which is not good form. Even using a courser Ryoba, I don’t have lines is jagged as yours.
It may be that you personally are more comfortable with the western style saw. I have both, I like them both.
I've watched only a few WoodWorkLIFE's and have enjoyed them. Thanks. I'm a little confused on this one, though, especially since I very rarely use a hand saw. Why compare a well sharpened saw of any kind to a saw that is beat up enough to even have broken teeth?? Isn't that sort of an orange to apples kind of thing?
+TwoRails Rails they've both been in my shop about a year. So its more just a real world comparison. The Dozuki is still very sharp though, believe me. When I was doing the finish cuts I avoided the broken teeth, it's about at inch of the blade.
OK, understood. Thanks for the clarification :)
BTW they do make Japanese saws with blades that can be sharpened, it's just not the near low end like most people in the west like to buy. Plan on spending $150 or more for a traditionally made (not massed produced) hand sharpenable Japanese saw.
+Brian Zick ya I am trying to get one, doing all the research on how to properly buy them so I don't get screwed.
Wood.Work.LIFE. Makes sense.
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Yes they do, but still it is a very complex and time consuming process to get the japanese style filing right, compared to the much simpler geometry of western saws. For most people it will not make sense. Not even pros. You'll need a very specific task for it, that a western saw is unable, or at least very bad at performing, before I'd even consider it, but maybe things like cutting ultra thin veneers or something could be just that.
Appreciated the topic...the light and feel of the shop is very inviting...I am not sure the music supports the overall style that seems to be emerging...best wishes...
What kind of music you thinking?
Considering the Dozuki had missing teeth I think the results look the better of the two. If you're worried about blade availability or the company going out of business then buy Gyokucho Japanese saws.
Interesting video. Is it fair to say the blade insertion into the handle design is universal on Japanese saws? They have a screw and a notch in the blade for the screw to engage in, I'd expect they're all the same? Anyone know?
Just what I needed, great video!
Really nice comparison video, I must add, after changing to japanese saws I've never bothered with western saws. I have always managed to get a much better cut with a pull saw. I was surprised to see your veritas was smoother. Not in my case! Anyway, I digress, you have a new subscriber!
Welcome!!! I suppose it is the fact that my stroke is naturally tuned to a western saw from experience. I typically reach for a Japanese saw above any another saws in my shop. I look forward to seeing you around in the comments.
Beautiful Effort man, I just noticed that the teeth configuration of the Dozuki is more of a cross cut , if you take a look at a ryoba Japanese saw (which I believe is the Ultimate saw so I am a little biased there) you will see that there is a side with teeth same as that Dozuki but the other side is with more straight (Rip) teeth which should give you an even thinner cut for your Dovetails.
I know that you've posted your video 4 years ago , but it is the effort done in the video that made me want to contribute. Good job man.
You are bias. I have seen videos seeing the master woodworkers in Japan cut the joinery, and the surface is smooth like it has been planning . Their joinery cuts when put together it is snug fit and without using glue.
Show me ANY video of a Japanese joiner NOT using a plane or a chisel on a joint and I will eat my words. I will give you that I am by no means a master with either of these saws, but I do have a ton of hours of practice and use.
Excellent vid and good explanation! My only "complaint" would be that the music between segments was too loud haha.. Good work with the saws!
Very nice video! + Veritas :)
+Mikhandmaker much appreciated, thanks for watching!
+Mikhandmaker Thanks for watching, I don't think I've seen you around before. Welcome to the channel family.
Thanks!
I would have really liked to see a comparison of a top of the line Japanese saw and a Canadian/Cosman saw.
+Adam Pierce trying too, but it's hard to say which are the "best" since so many are handmade.
The gyokucho brand dozuki saw is leaps and bounds better than this one and the teeth won't come off. Veritas is classic but I prefer Japanese after using one! Cool vid
+bigscreen bird I'll have to try it out, where do you get it?
Wood.Work.LIFE. Amazon. Look up dozuki saw gyokucho and I believe it's around $40 or so. I have one of their ryoba saws and it's a phenomenal saw for around $35
for a direct comparison, look at either the 371 or 372 from gyokucho. you can also buy a complete saw and a replacement saw for less than the wonderful Veritas.
The difference between asian and western saw is that Japanese wood workers work mostly with softer woods not soft wood softer woods.
Most traditional western tools are meant for harder dryier wood.
And if your saw was sharp and set properly your dovetail western saw wouldn't have tear out.
Not really fair, because as you admitted the Dozuki had broken teeth and the Veritas is new.
I have one Japanese saw( ryoba) and I love it to death, When I sell another piece I'm probably going to get a dazoki saw(i'm a samurai carpenter nerd). By the way, tried a rubber mallet, so yeah you converted me.
What'd I tell ya :) Not just for paint cans. It is nice because the weight of the head does all the work for you and the sweet spot is huge, plus you can choke up on the handle for precision work and still get good power behind each stroke.
I love the Samurai's channel, I just want to hold that Alec Steele and Ebony Slick. I love my Dozuki for so many task even for a cheap one it gives you great results. I see we are members of the friendliest rivalry in baseball...Go Cards!
That chisel is amazing, If I had it I would be afraid to sharpen the thing. When I was little when we first moved to Chicago, my dad asked me to pick which baseball team to cheer for the sox or cubs. well with all the grace of a 2 year old I picked the "tubs". Stinkin dexter fowler......;)
+Jack Brennan Ha, I'd rather have Rizzo, Bryant, and anybody else in that wrecking crew lineup. We have Yadi, I mean he's a demi-god, but he's not going to win us a championship.
Yeah we have wrecking crew.....when they all are hitting well, right now bryant is the only one hitting well, But could really care less about whether or not we win another championship, one is good enough. Just glad to see in my lifetime.
Might have found this interesting if not for the "noise" (some might call it music but not me). Had to go due to it... argh!
To each their own.
Not sure if I agree with the comment on value. The Veritas costs over 3 time what the Z saw does. I have been wood working my whole life and I almost never sharpen my hand saws. Usually, I see a new one and want to build up my tool collection before any of them get too dull to use. The Z saw is so cheap (I have seen it for under $20) that I can replace it. It's the number one selling saw in ASIA (there are a few people in Asia) so I am pretty sure Dozuki won't be going out of business. Value...the Z saw hands down. I personally like the pull saws better and I know plenty who have converted like me upon trying but I know plenty who love western saws. Preference is the decider...but value goes to the Z.
+Rotwang72 depends on your definition of value, but I think theyre both must have saws for people that actually use their saws and don't want to just look at them. If I get 1.5-2 yrs per blade at 15$ a pop they are basically the same price over 5 years. Anything beyond the Veritas can sometimes just be a show piece with minimal improvement in performance. I think I probably should be bought the 14 tpi version of the Veritas I probably wouodve liked it more.
Thanks for watching an commenting! Welcome to the WWL family.
I recently bought a Veritas magnetic dovetail combo. It comes with a Japanese pull saw with no back. I already own the Veritas back saw. I did my own comparison over a few weeks. I found the Japanese saw frustratingly slower and in my hands it wobbled occasionally. I’ve never had much of a problem starting the cut. I’ve rehandled a couple of gents saws, just as an experiment. It didn’t improve my accuracy.
I came, I saw and enjoyed another great video. No cutting corners, straight to the point. Now it time to eat sushi and watch baseball👍
+Chris R Go cards!
Go cubs. :)
Actually a lot of corners were cut in this video :P
Japanese saws come in different qualities and brands. Imagine watching a video from Japan comparing their higher end saw to a Canadian saw, and they use something from Canadian Tire or Home Depot. Lol
I want to revisit this but the two saws are in the same price range and notoriety so I figured they are in the same ~quality level.
I wish I had either one
Great video. My only critique would be that your music volume is crazy loud compared to the volume when you speak.
Ya, I wasn’t very good at mastering back then :(
A nice walk through for everyone to follow. You do have a bit of pears and apples going on though. Although you might find a dovetailsaw in every other shop, garage or flea market, it is not a general purpose saw, it is very much specifically built for dovetails, which is why you are struggling to reach your deep cuts - it was never designed for it. If you want a more general purpose western saw, you have (at least) 2 options: One being the larger, but not necessarily with much bigger teeth, carcass saw, for yup you guessed it: carcass work in cabinetry. This would usually be a cross cut filed saw as opposed to it's sister, the tenon saw, for rip cuts. Phleagm vs chisel teeth. The other one being a panel saw, which is very good for long and deep cuts, since it has no back, but quite a heavy saw plate to mitigate the stresses of a push style saw with no back. Also meant to be used at the bench, since the blade is somewhat shorter, than on a regular joiners saw. You can get away with having the simple filed rip/chisel pattern on all of your fine toothed saws, whereas you will need the real diamond filed cross cut teeth on heavier cross cut saws, to avoid pinching. You'd never use one of the fine toothed ones to rough things in, but only to cut to final size, to avoid planing too much on the end grain... if you want to make light work of it anyways. So... One will need a set of sorts... Those are all not really just western style saws... more specifically, they are English style saws. In continental Europe we used frame saws... Yes, the other ones took over, but people are still trained in them in some parts. Here a set of saws consists of 3. Coarse cross cut, coarse rip cut and a mediumfine rip cut. Along with a good set of chisels and a couple of sharp and true planes and axes, you can make pretty much anything you want in wood. The finer more specific tools just make it easier and faster. just like power tools.
I will start with the same comment about the music, but i like your videos and your approach. That being said i'm not sure this was a fair comparison. Your Veritas saw, which is a great tool, was compared to a dozuki with a jacked up blade. you really should have done this with a saw that had a blade without broken teeth. I mean they are only $24. However I have a Lie-Nielsen and a dozuki and i think your comments on the comfort of a western grip were dead on. I love the build and construction of my Lie-Nielsen, but it was a $125 saw. My Japanese saw cuts a thinner kerf hands down. I think that if you are new and dont have any bad habits to break a Japanese saw will get you going faster. But I still love my western saw, its heft, build quality and feel are second to none. Overall a good video i just wish you had done the shootout with a new or newer blade in the dozuki
Thanks, constructive feedback is always appreciated.
Entertaining but I think, that this comparison is not correct. There are specific saws on Veritas and blades for the Dozuki, for ripp cut and for cross cut. There is big difference in performance if you use a dovetail saw (that is generally a ripp saw) to do cross cuts or a Dozuki with a cross cut blade. Try this test with a gyokucho 371 for cross cuts, and there is no comparison, the time and specially the finish are far superior to any western saw. The other aspect is that this test compares a blade with several teeth broken (that specially on Japanese saws shouldn't be used anymore) with a sharp western saw. A Japanese saw when is cutting with some broken teeth is going to misalign the cut and produce scratches on the side parts of the wood due to microbends of the blade teeth. On the other side the cutting action needs also to be performed using gravity on the descending movement and at a specific speed( faster and light on traction movement, other than that, the wood fibers will be teard not evenly cut. Also important is to hold the Dozuki on the back side. Gives much more precise movements and let the arm rest lower in a much better ergonomic position. Less efford and better cuts. Lastly the piece should be lower and the arm that is operating the saw should run free from your body in a long motion without be restrained by your body (generally at your hip )
Why do you have to play that horrible back ground noise.
+Vern Mitchinson because it's better than generic CZcams stock, what kind of music do you like?
Wood.Work.LIFE. None but if you insist then turn the volume down. This video has the noise louder then the vocal.
I have to agree that the music, and especially the volume of the music, is most distracting. Seriously, you cannot pick music that everybody will like, so it is far better to stick with your content and let the viewer find their own music to listen to, or to just listen to the sound of your tools in action.
As far as value it would depend on how much you use them. Half the price for a Japanese saw. For a beginner I chose the Japanese saw. Depending on how long it lasts me I may choose to go with the western style. Thanks for the information.
Go big or go home. Youre wasting your money.
@@solidsnake9332 tell that to all of the master Japanese woodworkers using their traditional tools.
Nice video !
Thanks!
so you have given us examples of the cuts when using a broken Dozuki blade vs a sharp western blade? that blade needs a replacement man they cost almost nothing. Aslo i think its kinda weird making a test when one thing is clearly broken .
what TPI were these saws
I think your right. Both tools have their uses. I have both but then I just keep buying too many tools.
+Badger Workshop well of course, then you need your rip saw, you panel saw, your case saw, your cross cut saw, and you need all the tooth counts of each, and then you need multiples so you don't have to sharpen. Then you just have to buy more cause theyre on sale and it's be a crime not to ;). Just go build something 😜
Yes boss. Going in the workshop now.
I'd like to add some opinions:
1. Some teeth on your Japanese saw might be sticking out sideways. That's why your cut is a bit rough. You can push them back easily and your cut will be a lot smoother.
2. The long handle of Japanese saw allows for two handed operation. Also the pull motion should be a bit downwards. Let gravity work for you. It speed things up and reduces fatigue quite a lot.
+EJ Wu thanks ej, you are probably right. I am not discrediting Japanese saws in general by any means. I love them, thanks for the advice.
No I get it. I like your video! Just sharing some of my experiences with the tool. Cheers!
To your question...either something quiet...that remains in the background...or perhaps nothing at all...A lot of folks love the feel of Paul Sellers' teachings...everyone could do a lot worse...Hope I was clear that there was much in your presentation that I enjoyed...Perhaps another note...I have always enjoyed summarizing comments in teachings...Dale Barnhardt does an especially good job of this....Dale the Cabinet Maker...
+Jett Keyser I wioo obviously have my own style but I'm always tweaking it. I like music in my videos when there isn't much going on worth talking about. I don't much want too mellow of music to put people to sleep. Maybe I need to be more selective in my ambiance. Thanks for the feedback.
Wood.Work.LIFE. Wood.Work.LIFE. Personally I really liked the music you chose. Definitely gave it a bit more spark than just an acoustic guitar you see in most woodworking videos. Maybe editing a little tighter to transition right on a beat? That'll make it feel more integrated into the video. Or have the music volume be a little lower than the rest of the audio so it hangs a little more in the background.
Thumbs Down! Thanks for the video, but that background noise (?music???) is Very annoying.
Ya still working on that, it was a bit heavy handed in this video, I am trying to step it back. I mean, you can't please everyone with genres, but you can at least get the levels right. What did you like about the video otherwise?
Hi there from Portugal,
Nice info :D
Obrigado(Thanks)
Well, it is vague just to say "The Dozuki Saw", because you can get these saws with different type of teeth, different sizes, extra hard. In a german shop you can find 25 Dozuki saws with different sizes, teeth shape, teeth size and so on. You can get them for crosscut, ripcut and with an universal blade for both
+Burli's Bastel Bude these are some of the most ubiquitous versions of these saws. Z saw vs veritas
Does anyone make a Japanese saw with the Western postal grip style handle?
GREAT VIDEO! Thumbs Up and Subbed! Just ran across your Channel! Lots of awesome tips! Thanks for Sharing Brother! Have A Super Week!.....Gus
+TheWoodWerker Thanks Man! Welcome to the WWL family.
Im so torn.
But seriously, if you had to take one to a deserted island, which one? The veritas here is same price as that dozuki with two blades.
Gah, that's a tough one, but on a deserted island I would take the Dozuki as it would have better cut capacity, and more versatility, the teeth on the Western saw would hold up better though...now you have me thinking. If you had one saw in your tool chest though I would saw go Dozuki, if I had two, i would get both :)
The struggle is real™
+r s 😂
Can you sharpen the veritas on a deserted island?
EJ Wu bet Paul Sellers could....
very painful to watch, loose the corny music, will not watch any more of your videos
The biggest downside to Japanese style saws is the handles are just way to long and not conducive to good body mechanics for the vast majority of users.
Cartoon soundtrack?
Tried to watch but your intro music chased me away
I noticed that you were not very confident with the Pull saw. You did not use the whole blade. were as you did with the Western style saw. I think the pull action once mastered pound for pound is very much better. This is probably why the craftsmen in the east do not take on the western style saws. I use a very cheap pull saw and get very good results for less effort than if i had a western style saw at the same price. Mind you at the end of the day weekend par time makers like myself are pushed for time and money. Great video sir. Count me in as a new suscriber
+Ian Brodie Smith I was avoiding the broken teeth for consistent results. I agree with you on the pull motion, it is a much more natural feeling motion taking advantage of the properties of your body and the steel.
Welcome to the WWL family!
Difference between people is good but not when the uploader enjoys the music I hate.
Good test! But that music has to go! Thanks.
I have Japanese saws that are sharpenable. You send them to what is called a Matata. They readjust and charlene the teeth. This is is for the nicer handmade saws. Not amazon cheapies.
Ya, I compared these two saws since they are most people's introduction to eastern and western saws for joinery. I would have my own recommendations for actually buying but honestly with these two saws the result is a push at best.
I love the pull saws. Like you said, a thin kerf and the ability to flush trim makes it a multi-use tool. 👍
I really like your shootout videos, they are unbiased, and somehow seem to highlight each tool's benefits, and less focus on their weaknesses. Always a fair shootout though!
Thanks for the vid. Great comparison. You're last line sums it all up. I've seen men make amazing things without "high end" tools. I love a quality tool, but I won't let lack of money keep me from building. Hone skills, as well as blades.
I think the dozuki has different types tooth’s for different types of cuts
+Borec nakonec you are thinking of a ryoba.
The music was a tad belligerent. Otherwise quite a swell presentation.
Great content as usual! Thanks for the comparison.
+Tony Schultz thanks.
Yes Veritas backsaw saws straighter because the blade is thicker, and dozuki blade is thiner - about 0.3mm. Try to hold the japanese saw at the end of the handle it will saws straiter. And the main point - the Sharpening of a Japanese saw only for a kross cut not for rip and your baksaw is universal. Try Ryoba 9-1/2" Double Edge Razor or SUIZAN Japanese Pull Saw Hand Saw 9-1/2" Ryoba ( Double Edge ) their blades are thiker about 0.6-0.9 mm
not sure if it is just because of the filming or the broken teeth or whatever, but it looks like you're only using a third of your saws. what helped me a lot was the tip I think I read in a Chris Schwartz book, to imagine, that the saw is longer than it actually is...
+simon stucki ya broken teeth on the dozuki and filming. Thanks for the tip though, might make for a good video tip one of these days.
I bought a Japanese saw just like that one and I tried my damnest for two days to make one single straight cut. It made me that that woodworking wasnt for me. I took the saw back and got a 16 point crosscut veritas saw and the first cut was dead on 90 . I am a western woodworker from now on. I found a Stanley 26 in panel saw for 1$ at a thrift store. It was covered in paint and rust, and the handle was old and loose. I sanded it to a mirror finish and sharpened it to a rip cut. Now it is my go-to saw for cutting lumber. Its quicker than lugging my miter saw and extension cable . So western saws work well for me
+Jacy I haven't fallen in love with either. I like Japanese for dovetails and western for square cuts.
Thanks for the video! Is that the fine-tooth Veritas Dovetail saw or the regular one? I have the fine-tooth but regret not getting the regular.
Ali Maleki fine tooth, I too regret not getting the 14 TPI one
I went the other way around. I bought the 14 TPI saw first, then got the 20 TPI. Trust me, the 20 is better. The 14 is nearly impossible to get a cut started where you want it without it skipping around! It cuts a little faster once it's started, but it's very frustrating to get the initial cut. That's the genius of Rob Cosman's saw - finer TPI at the tip to start the cut, then coarser for the majority of the blade to cut quickly.
Seems to me a manufacturer should mate a pistol grip with a Japanese blade. I like my index finger giving balance, steering and control.
or some sort of modification to a japanese grip that gives you a reference position for your hanf while optimizing for a pull stroke.
Looks like your japanese saw has teeth for cross cutting, not rip cutting
z-saw company, in the market since 1943... almost sure, IF they run out of business... some other will make compatible blades
You're probably right. It is more about not liking exhaustible resources.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW THE NAME OF THAT SONG PLAYN????
Look at the handle, gun vs samurai
I'd be quite appreciative if anyone can point out a Japanese saw without the hardened teeth. I tend to prefer the pull method the Japanese use
I am not aware of any "brands" that make a sharpenable Ryoba or Dozuki available here in North America, I know you can get one made for you in Japan, but they are quite $$$ I asked Bearkat Woods how much he would charge me to make a Japanese style saw like his. I think another one of the challenges is getting a proper file to even sharpen the teeth on a razor saw.
I was not expecting a direct response from the channel owner or a response so quickly, thank you very much! With that information said, would it not be possible to simply take a traditional American version and flip the blade around to have a pull stroke? Perhaps I don't understand how the saws actually function so thank you and please forgive my ignorance.
+Let's Plays you could but it kind of defeats half the purpose of the Dozuki (the thin kerf) some of the really nice American saws have a set of teeth right near your hand sharpened with a different rake to make a cut easier to start. You can also sharpen your blades that way.
Paul Sellers has a nice video on that.
I think another problem might be the ergonomics of the grip on a pull stroke. I think it might be the grip, but it might just be training, but with my western saws, my backstroke is less than clean.
+Wood.Work.LIFE. BTW half the reason I'm here is the community, I love responding to comments. As long as I can keep up. I watch for the first few hours. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for all the information, maybe I'll save up and get 1 of each and see which I like more! Have a great day and thank you for the conversation!
If you wanna make a test doit well. There are Japanese saw for hart and soft wood even for Bamboo, there are saw hardened and not hardened. the veritas are more then triple the price of japanese saw. so the test is rubbish. If you do a test doit good and no nonsens. by the way dit you sharp the veritas by yourself?
I have sharpened it since, with the high TPI saw, I did lose a few teeth. In retrospect I would've bought a lower TPI saw from them. I can't live my life without nonsense...sorry.
I think your key point about sharpen-ability is misguiding. Doesn't it cost around $20~$35 to have a saw sharpened? I can imagine it's a big pain to sharpen one yourself. With that said, most Home Depot like places sell brand new Japanese handsaws for $20~$35. Clearly the Japanese hand saw has the advantage.
you are pitting a j saw with broken teeth, try doing this with both new blades on the J and W saws so we can see a better comparison
fair point
Z Saw Dozuki blades are induction harden but they are harden too much and this makes them brittle. I have one and the tooth started to break at the slightest signs of binding so avoid forced downward pressure to cut faster because blade will chip.
constructive criticism here, can you please line your audio and video up better, please? there were time you were hold g the back saw and talk g about the pull saw
+Dj Lambert thanks man apologies
Dozuki is clearly better at everything. I've been working on it for years and the only downside is it loses its teeth like an old man.
It looks like you used a 2 year old japanese saw with a nlot of broken teeth and a newish veritas saw. It looked like the japanese saw preformed better considering the wear.
The saw was actually pretty new, but I did replace the blade recently. I am on the fence between east vs. west, they are both good saws.
Loved the video for content and production...minus the singing crickets. I look forward to seeing more vids, but I hope that I'll find the crickets to be out of town. I subscribed.
If you can't sharpen it, it is garbage. You don't save money by buying throw away garbage and replacing it, when you could have just bought the correct saw to begin with.
Depends on what you want so buy both just in case
In my opinion it is hard to admit that the Japanese are better at certain things like making saws and you were testing a saw with what you say was missing teeth maybe do it again with brand new saws also most people even if they know how will not take the time to sharpen there saws unless they are extremely valuable
+Jason B I find myself torn between both, I like my Japanese saw and I like my Veritas saw. They both have their places but the Japanese saw is much more versatile.
cut the crappy music.
I would also add the price comparison you could buy like 8 or 10 Japanese saws that cut better in my opinion for the price of 1 veratas saw witch I think is insulting that American people do nothing but screw each other I can buy a Japanese blade and make my own handle and top band for a fraction of what they are asking for American saws again just my opinion but if you are an ok woodworker you can make it and you feel good every time you use it
The veritas is around 60 dollars. The japanese z is around half that. I think I will just buy both.
Hey just found your channel. Great video, would recommend a bit easier transition on the sound between cutscenes but overall 👌
+Kyle Johnston thanks man, still working on it. Getting better every week, and then worse, and then better again. Welcome to the WWL family!
The music is a distraction in other words sucks.
I get it
От 9.36 минуты видео и до 9.43 минуты , я вижу как автор поворачивает японскую (насухо закаленую) японскую пилу в бок (влево) , это как минимум раз . Теперь мне понятно почему он потерял за 2 года эксплуатации этой пилы несколько зубьев .
Это худшее сравнение инструментов что я встречал в сети . Автор вимо не владеет не только информацией о инструменте , но и собственными руками .
I could do without the stupid music. Didn't make it to the second minute.
Sorry man, sound mastering has gotten a lot more important in my video editing process.
Shut off the chipmunk music... very irritating.
You use the japanese saw in wrong angles.. Learn the tool before you use it.
I was avoiding the camera...sorry. I'm better now and I still love my Japanese saw. Check out the new video in 2 hours.
Excellent information, however I could do without the offensive music
+Robert Pelland offensive? A bit sensitive are we?
SHEESH! Soooo tired of everyone being offended by everything. Personally, I'm done avoiding offense. It's good for them- the poor snowflakes just dont know it yet.
triggered!
It would've been much better had they both been new saws. You can't really say one is better than the other when one of them is literally missing teeth...
I worked with what I had, tried to give them both a fair shake. To be fair, even after buying a replacement blade shortly after noticing the broken teeth, I still don't get a PERFECT cut with the Dozuki. It is easier to start a cut with a fresh blade but the results are the same.
Wood.Work.LIFE. Thanks for the response. That's interesting. Now I have a better idea of which I would be more interested in. I do prefer the back pull blades much more over a push.
Preet
Knowing the Japanese saw age less well than the western saw, it is technically not a fair comparison.. Never the less interesting video!