Porsche 911 964: The Best Classic Porsche To Buy?
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
- The Porsche 911 964 seems to command more money than almost any other classic Porsches. But how does it compare to other air cooled 911’s and is it truly the best classic Porsche to buy? Find out.
I’m extremely grateful to have the opportunity to own a 1986 Carrera coupe, a 1992 Porsche 911 964 and a 1995 Porsche 911 993….
And in this video I’ll give you a run-down on the 964 itself from both a design perspective and a driving impression perspective along with some comparisons to the 3.2 911 Carrera and the 993.
All 3 of these classic 911’s are absolutely amazing in their own way, and in this video I’ll reveal which one I think is the best.
0:00 Start
1:31 Info Abt My Specific Porsche 911 964
3:57 Design comparison btw 964, 993 & 3.2 Carrera
5:28 Classic Porsche 964 Paint Correction & PPF
6:54 Porsche 911 964 bumper comparison to g body 911 bumpers
8:23 964 bumpers vs 993 bumpers
9:39 Porsche 911 965 interior review
9:56 Porsche 911 964 gauge information
10:20 964 interior differences from 993
12:35 964, 993 and 3.2 engine footage
13:45 Porsche 911 964 Driving Review
15:47 KW V3 Coilovers Vs Bilstein PSS10 Coilovers
16:50 Porsche 911 964 Power and Engine Performance
18:52 Vision for my 964
20:31 Porsche 964 Comfort
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Porsche 911's I currently own or have owned:
1977 Porsche 924 Martini Edition Safari Car
1986 Porsche 911 Carrera in guards red
1992 Porsche 911 964 in Amazon Green metallic
1995 Porsche 911 993 Coupe in polar silver
2007 Porsche 911 997.1 Turbo in guards red (SOLD)
2009 Porsche 911 997.2 C4S PDK (SOLD)
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From a design perspective, there is no doubt, the 964 is the ONE!
Sent my factory delivery '91 964 Amazon/Grey with 133K mi. for a vacation in Pfaffenhausen in 1998. It came back 6 months later as a RUF RCT and the thrills began.
This car has been on my bucket list forever.
Love my ‘93 964 coupe w five speed stick. 130k mi. w/o engine work w zero leaks.
By far the best profile, shape and looks of any Porsche ever. But what else would a 964 owner say.
I own a 1991 964 C4 since 2011. 189.000 miles. No engine or gearbox rebuilt. Do not cut corners on maintenance,
warm up engine and gearbox gently and it will run forever. No, it is not a cheap car to own, but it is a dream to drive,
and the 250 hp is more than enough. Between 100 km/h and 220 km/h it is still impressive. You are faster than 75%
of modern traffic and your smile is bigger than 99% of the other drivers.
Agree - the 964 is the most beautiful 911, hands down. I am fortunate to own a viola metallic 30 Jahre jubilee... every drive is just magical!
Whoa. Legend.
Great video Will, I'm partial to the 964, but wouldn't toss any of them our of bed for eating cookies
I like the 993 and own a 97 C2 but it’s too rounded for me. The G cars lack a rear bumper as nice as the 964 Color, wheels and ride height plan a big part too
Will, what a great channel I have discovered here. Down to earth and REAL enthusiast about your love for these Queens! 🙏💕
I have subscribed 👊
I don't own (yet) a Porsche.
I am a real BMW enthusiast 😇.
I have my BMW E34 (also in green - Lagünengrün - color with cream leather seats).
As I see you telling about your Queen (and loving it) , I see myself telling about mine 😎.
My BMW is definately going to be accompanied by a 964 (911).
Thank you for your enthusiast!
I am so glad that I now know even more about these beauties, thanks to you! 💫
A lots of "Porsche" Love from Belgium 💖 😇
Best regards,
Patrizio ✨️
Welcome. And thank you for the positivity.
993 arguably the better all round car but the feminised front end cancels out the more attractive rear end so for me the more raw drive character and imo better all round looks make the 964 my weapon of choice….I do like the wide rear end of the 993 S models though …
Thanks for posting interesting and thought provoking videos😉👍🏻👊🏻
Absolutely beautiful! The only thing I don't like about the 964 is the steering wheel. Other than that, it is the most beautiful of all the 911s!
I am partial to the g body as that was the 911 of my high school days and just has that classic "Porsche" look.
All three models look great and cannot go wrong with any of them. Like that you are keeping this one in stock form.
I wouldn’t have even considered the 993 were I to answer your question, but I saw a silver one at club drive this last weekend and liked it a lot. She had disabled her rear wing as well, but I didn’t get a chance to ask her why. I have a 996 and have no problem with the wing deploying, so I’m assuming it is more to do with the air-cooled ethos? Just guessing. I owned a ‘77 S, so you would think I would choose the SC, but that 964 is beautiful and when the stance is adjusted will be a stunner.
Looks wise it's 964, 3.2, 993 in that order. Porsche absolutely nailed the 964!
Great video as usual. As I have commented previously I also have an Amazon Green 964 from 1991 C2 manual with dark grey leather interior. Agreed, most beautiful 911.
Love your no nonsense and thorough reviews. Keep up the great work!
Thanks. Sometimes I wish I were more technical, more of a “Top Gear” presentation style but at the end of the day I can only tell you guys what I know in the the way that I deliver.
What a beauty. I have a 991.1 and love it, but can definitely see an air cooled machine in my future.
Great video. My first 911 was an '87 Cab that I bought when it was 2 years old. It was my daily driver for several years, really enjoyed it. In 2001 I picked up a "91 C2 in Guards Red with black leather. Pretty well optioned car and I still have it. Not a daily driver, but I still drive it. Mechanically stock with 64K miles. I enjoy the ride and power more than the G body and appreciate the lack of nannies.
Good video review. I have a ‘93 964 C2, second owner, bought last September. A few random thoughts:
1. I initially thought I wanted another 993, but when I saw the 964 in slate grey I was pretty much sold. I know Porsche did a fair job of meeting bumper regulations with the G series, but it always looked like a compromise. 964 is a cleaner look.
2. I have a black interior. I know the grey is attractive, but in my experience black carpets are a lot more practical.
3. While later 964s are better in general, stuff breaks and parts are expensive. I just replaced the three rear lenses for ~$1500 because the tabs had cracked from being over-tightened. The climate control sensor motor was squealing so another $500 part. Super reliable car, legendary build quality, but after 30 years some bits are at the end of their service life.
4. HVAC on the 964 is terrific - and I live in a desert area where 100 degrees is common. With R134a it blows cold. Earlier 911s are fun to drive, but the a/c is fairly weak.
5. I agree, it’s more than fast enough for public roads. Brakes are excellent but generate a ton of dust.
6. For anyone comparing a 964 to a 991/992… the cockpit of the 964 is night and day better. You feel really tucked in, like you’re ready to run LeMans. The big gauges are in your face, and the windscreen is right there. Unless your other car is a 917, sitting in a 964 is unparalleled. Sort of vintage, but quite daily driveable.
Thanks for adding value to the vid. All good thoughts and I agree with each one.
I found your channel a couple weeks ago. Only graduated college a couple years ago so still in the saving up phase of porsche ownership but love the content you are putting out!
Thank you man. Good luck on your journey. Envision what you want and go after it. I did and it’s been an amazing and fulfilling journey.
Since I used to own an 87 Targa, I am partial to the G series. That being said, the 964 is a prettier car with the way the front and rear bumpers integrate better with the overall shape. Plus I like the center console and shifter better in the 964. I've driven a 964 but never owned one. I have it on my bucket list.
Great video and collection. I have a low mileage 88 M491 and I have been thinking of getting a 964 or 993 to drive. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. 911 ,964, then 993 for me! I think it may have to do with what poster you had on the wall as a kid.
That last shot of the 964 in the parking lot! Damn! So good! That Amazon POPS!! Will, great review. I think answering "which one is your favorite 911" is as loaded as an oil thread! Having owned all three of the cars you have, I ask myself this same question often. I admit I just like the "feel" of my current 964 over the G body or my previous 95' 993. However, then I get in my 09 C4S manual and the internal dialogue debate starts all over lol! Thanks for putting the content out that you do for the community. Great to see the channel grow from the inception.
Thank you for the support. Very much appreciated.
So great videos. Every time you post a new one I make a cup of coffe and just enjoy and relax for a moment Txh 😃
Thanks for the positive vibes
Your 964 is by far my favorite of the 3 you own. Beautiful car!!
Love my ‘88 guards red Carrera with the aero package but my personal favorite would be a skinny tired, no flared, chromed trimmed 1970. Just love the purity and simplicity of design.
It would be impossible to choose between those three cars! If you take color combinations out of the decision process, the 911 SC would have to be my choice because there's nothing more classic other than going back to the speedsters, spiders & 1966 912 & the 1971 911t, however if no one was looking, the 993 would be better for driving, I guess the 964 is the perfect combination of old & new. Super video thank you!
Thanks!
I know you've heard this before but the 993s butt side can't be beat.
964 C4 is my favorite air cooled 911 and the Cayenne S is my favorite SUV/CUV.
Bilstein pss10 on 964 C4 with 993 lightweight flywheel and clutch with Fabsteed exhaust and Cat has kept he car responsive and fun to drive.
The comments you've made about the different feels of the suspension between your 964 and your 993 may not have as much to do with the brand and model of the struts, but rather with the fundamentally different designs, with the 964 being a McPherson type, whereas the 993 is multi-link. These are major differences in suspension architecture. In fact, it makes the case for a C4 being a great option for a 964 exactly because of that, with a C2 being more engaging and capable in a 993.
I like the 964 the best. Awesome video. Glad I subscribed. Yes, pollen season here in NC does suck.
Thanks for subscribing and for the positive vibes. 🙌🏼
Great car and video. I like the expression “when the car showed up”, I’ll be checking my driveway for a vehicle like that to ‘show up’
Lol. Manifest it and it shall be so. I have dreamed my whole life of experiencing these cars in a small collection and it has come together for me. I’m not that special, I just put in the work and things came together. Thanks for watching!
First time I spotted Amazon Green was in the Porsche Museum in Stuttgart! 😍 stunning colour , defo the best looking colour and style of the Three cars ! 😎
Money no object, I'd buy a 964 and take it to Singer. I've driven a couple of 911sc's. Very easy to drive fast. Love your collection!
I agree with you on mod vs stock. I think the car’s condition will dictate the mod or no mod direction it should go and the mods you have done can certainly go back to stock rather easily. I’ve most recently gotten into the 993 look and have a model I’m interested in but most likely will need to wait until a few projects are completed on current models. Thanks for the post. Great cars!
Thanks!
Always partial to the 993. Though they’re all 10’s.
Agree 100%
Thanks for your comparitive analysis of these three cars, of which index these time periods Porsche evolved. Your discussion further confirms to me the pinnacle of the air cooled 911: The 964.. of which I believe is the very last iconic and most beautiful and functional 911's ever made. The 964 kept the iconic characteristics of the earlier icons, exuding those beautiful lines further into the sexiest car imaginable without losing what we all think of when we think Porsche.. Like a used bar of soap, these lines came together, climaxing those iconic traits, encapsulating a moment of time in history that is priceless. It's no wonder the 964 is sought after by the likes of George Clooney and many others of whom know that price is not a consideraton.. "Must Have" ! Wished I'd known this years ago and could have afforded one at the time.. Denys 🤑
Very hard choice. But think I'd go for the 993 with 964 a very close second. Some day..
Your paint looks beautiful and that you put some PPF on it is a smart move.
964 is my favorite Porsche love the low raking shape of the rear
It would be my dream to have these 3 cars. Plus maybe a pre G model car without the impact bumper or maybe a 930 turbo.
I'm partial to narrow body 964's and wide body 993's, would keep both mostly stock (suspension and wheels). Let's throw a gbody targa in and I would mod that to hell. 🤘
Love the 964 but only in turbo/s version. I enjoy my 993 c2 though :)
The best Porsche is ALWAYS your favorite personalized car. I would want Sharkworks break light with light-bar. A wide-body conversion in rear. Magnesium Fuchs wheels. Updated LED front headlights. A super clean rear seat delete. And paint the fan in the engine the body color.I like classic leather seats - no plaid or hounds-tooth inserts or racing seats.
Sounds like a killer build
930 turbo is just the cutest thing
For me the 964 is the ultimate combination of old school and semi modern. (Old but not quite as 😂)
I choose that over the technically superior 993.
964 is the best looking air-cooled. Timeless. The face of the 993 is a bit too busy. Otherwise, a 993 with the turbo spoiler is a close second.
So the 993 that has the front of the famous Spyder and is too busy. That's too funny.
@@truebetold65 it is busier than the 964. its provenance is irrelevant to my opinion.
If you take an opinion from a non-Porsche person and you'd present all three in same color, 95% will say that the 993 is the best looking. But Porsche people love the 964 front because it still has those classic headlight "towers" or whatever you call them. I agree. Sure 993 has them too but they're not so evident. But I don't like the "narrow" and long rear of the 964. Perfection would be 964 front and the fat ass of the 993.
Air cool life 😎 👌
any 911 with a stick shift is my ideal dream car lol
I like the 964 for reasons you mentioned
I’m with you; it’s the 964 for me too
Great video by the way
Thank you
993 is the best looking. However they're so close. If I had a 964 with a great sparkling color like yours I'd probably choose it over a mundane colored 993. But 993 has the best lines. But the widebody 993... game over for everyone else. That car is just pure Porsche perfection and without a doubt it's the best looking Porsche ever produced.
Personal preference. For me 964>993.
964; all day, every day!
What a beautiful car!
Great content as always! For me the 993 is the best blend of air cooled and modern 911 aesthetics. 964 rear has always looked a bit frumpy IMO. Can’t go wrong either way!
Totally agree. The 993 has the modern air cooled design like 959 and 968. Designwise the sleak styling of the 993 can also be seen as the 356 under the 911s.
I am the opposite, the 993 does not look good in the rear. The hips dont fit the rest of the car where as the 964 flows through the whole car. 964 is the last good year before they started to ruin the body and make it boring.
The green 964 😍😍😍
Love the 993 and 964, but it's color dependent for me. If you had a black or grey 993 I'd have picked that, but considering, I'd pick the 964. All are beautiful cars though.
All great cars, for standard wheels the Cup 1s on the 964 were a high water mark. IMHO the classic lines on the front of the 964 look great, but looses out in a big way in the rear. the carrera sized flares are long in the tooth and make the car look slab sided when paired w the chunky bumper covers. Almost 911 2.7. No contest with the rear view on the 993. Those hips….
Now a 964 turbo 3.3 or 3.6 is a whole other conversation
993 for me.
Man the car looks phenomenon, i love 964 i dream to own one that being said it has been 20 years since i told myself to get one😅reasons well like what you just experienced, car looks great but the mechanical side is a nightmare. However, i did some research and Japan has a lot of Porsche and 964 and 993 priced around north of 50K depends on year model and rarity of that. My question to you is what is the cost of a 1991 964? And is it a risk to purchase such a car online? Cheers appreciate your video and sharing your experiences.
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Risky to buy sight unseen, even with really strong PPI. I would recommend going and seeing the car.
Interesting discussion, I have had 3 now including the 964 and I definitely like my current 993 the most. For me the look, performance and value of the car compared to a 964 is no comparison. Not to mention the 993 is the mechanically superior and maintenance king of the air cooleds.
F-Body all the way for me! Owner of 71 911T ❤
Go G series 3.2L
LOVE the beautiful lines of 964, but not a fan of the retractable spoiler. Gotta stay fixed & up
Another great video! You mentioned a video where you talked about why you sold your 997. I’d be interested in viewing that - can you point me to it?
Sure thing.
5 Reasons I SOLD My 997 Porsche 911 Turbo...and Why I'll Only Buy Air Cooled 911’s From Here On Out
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Thanks Will!
964 all the way!!!!!
993 is the king here. Best technology, best roadholding, best speed, best reliability. Best everything. And still an air cooled.
The 964 engine looks like your 993, but the 96 onward looks different
964 my favorite followed by the G body.
Sent you an IG message. Keep up the great work.
Yes, I got it and responded. Thanks!
Yes agreed!!🎉😊
Hey Will. What’s the little round yellow sticker on the 964 passenger door pull handle?
No idea. It’s painted on, and has been there since I got it. Yours doesn’t have it I’m guessing?
All of my air cooled Porsches have the dot on the door handle. Mine all have black interior. I literally think it is so you can see and know where the door handle is located. Without the dot, the door handle just blends in.
People will start liking the 993 once Singer uses them.
do you have issues with the single belt pulley no charging during idle?
No, but I am experiencing low charge after the car sits for a day or more. New battery hasn’t solved the issue so now I’m thinking it’s the alternator.
You were complaining about the yellowed seat hinge covers. I just replaced mine. Easy fix. They are black but I think black would look good.
Yes, thanks. I should have elaborated. The factory correct color match for mine is NLA. Have thought about black or potentially having mine painted with a paint that adheres correctly to plastic.
Ben Dimson was the designer for 964
964 design is iconic. I believe your stance is a bit off. The rear .05" to low there's no wheel gap vs the front. It make it look like it's sagging in the rear. Perhaps weight alignment would help aswell. Good b-roll btw.
Thanks. I need to dial in the suspension a bit more and you’re spot on. The rear needs to come up slightly. You should have seen it before. It was even lower. PO had it set “as low as possible” as stated on the paperwork that came with the car. Handled poorly. Back end felt like it wanted to swing out.
Thanks for watching, as always.
I really don’t get why there is the controversy about a rear wiper on a 911..I’ve got a 992 & specced the rear wiper…I guess as I’m in 🇬🇧 uk it’s a must as it’s always bloody raining 😂..yeah love the 964 but prices are crazy here. There is a dealer advertising for them in uk saying they will give £60k minimum any condition..
Yes, the prices are out of control with all of them, frankly. I want to drive and enjoy mine so I’ve up the agreed upon value with my insurance company and roll.
For me, it’s the 911SC Targa. Be well
You have 3 great looking aircooled Porsches! My favorites are the very light early 911s but among the 3 it’s the ‘86 3,2. It has a more visceral feel, no driving nannies, basic torsion bar suspension & more than enough hp if tuned properly.
G Body 😎💯
I dont get why this is never mentioned when people talk about the best porsche! In my mind, this is THE porsche
Could be the multi link rear in the 993 which makes it feel different ..
For sure. The multi link is clearly an advancement in tech but I think I may like the handling characteristics of the 964 a bit better.
964's are certainly excellent and I'd love to own one, I prefer the rawness, history, and pedigree of the earlier ones. Those are in a rare iconic class.
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The 964 is definitely the best looking air cooled 911. My mechanic likes the 993 better because of the transaxle but for me that doesn’t matter.
You mean the transmission?
@@RennthusiastNot the transmission. He said the final drive was much improved over the 964.
Oh, ok. Never heard it called a transaxle. I am familiar with the transaxle cars (924, 968, etc).
I actually kind of prefer the 5 speed in the 964 to the 6 speed in the 993.
964 🙋🏻♂️
Where is the 'like really much' button?
Haha thank you
All beautiful cars but got to be the G body all day long for me, the "classic" Porsche in my opinion
You have had a year and only have a couple thousand miles on it ? Interesting , why so few ?
Had it on a lift out of commission for a few months. When it showed up it needed a transmission rebuild. Not fun.
Oh, keep it stock for sure.. No "irreversable" mods..
Porsches W140
Sell all three and buy a 964 RS
Haha I hear you. But I like having options depending on my mood.
No lol. Longhood or 993.
I can see why you would say that and the truth is they are all just so good
@@Rennthusiast I can appreciate folks liking the 964 - especially those who own them - but the truth is there's a reason why the most popular street icons are the '73 RS, 930 and 993 GT2
Maybe best, but overpriced and in short supply thanks to people taking them to convert into even more overpriced Singers.
I tend to agree. I don’t know that it delivers a driving experience in line with the price point but I do know it’s super fun to drive and I’m glad I bought it when I did. It’s appreciated quite a bit just over the last year.
talk and talk...
The 911 is the poor man's 928. Sorry - I gotta call balls and strikes. the 928 was European "Car" of the Year 1979. No other sports car including the 911 has ever won "Car" of the year. The 928 has won 2 production car land speed record at Bonneville (1986 and 2020) - the 911 has won none. Magnus Walker has started his 928 collection - its Now or Never for the 928 still the biggest bang for the buck in Porsche's line up.
Lmao
I dont get why this is never mentioned when people talk about the best porsche! In my mind, this is THE porsche
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