5 Reasons I Sold My Insanely Rare Porsche 964
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- 19The Porsche 964 is arguably the most desired air cooled Porsche, yet I just sold my insanely rare unicorn ‘92 C2 coupe in Amazon Green less than 1 year after buying it. Am I nuts?
Maybe. But maybe not.
In this video I lay out my personal reasoning for selling this gorgeous Porsche 964. The good news is I found a buyer within 2 days. The bad news is I am quite nervous that I will HIGHLY regret selling this iconic Classic Porsche 911.
0:00 Start
3:11 Reason #1 I Sold My Porsche 964
5:23 Reason #2 I Sold My Porsche 964
6:50 Reason #3 I Sold My Porsche 964
7:56 Reason #4 I Sold My Porsche 964
9:13 Reason #5 I Sold My Porsche 964
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Porsche 911's I currently own or have owned:
1969 Porsche 911T Hot Rod in Ossi Blue
1977 Porsche 924 Martini Edition Safari Car
1986 Porsche 911 Carrera in guards red
1992 Porsche 911 964 in Amazon Green metallic
1995 Porsche 911 993 Coupe in polar silver
2007 Porsche 911 997.1 Turbo in guards red (SOLD)
2009 Porsche 911 997.2 C4S PDK (SOLD)
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As a engineer who works at Porsche Stuttgart, I most deffinately can say NONE of the reasons mentioned in this video are valid. I do own Carrera 4 964 and its a daily driver for me. Also he says the car is not drivable per say, I 100% disaggree with him. I mean if you are not gonna drive it, what'll you do with it ? These cars are specifically designed to be driven. I drive mine every day and its just AWESOME.
Thanks for commenting!
@@Rennthusiast hope I didnt upset anyone :)
Your living the dream working at Stuttgart buddy 👍
Same here, my C4 has 204.000km at the moment, drive it daily.
Agree.
I let out a big “awe man, he’s selling the car” when I saw the title of this video. As a 993 owner I would agree with your decision though. Best of luck!
Life forced me to sell my 993 and 964, I really could have kept 1 of them but decided to liquidate, and despite the sentiment in most of the comments I miss the 964 more than the 993. Still would love to have either one back. Oh well perhaps one day !!
Makes total sense. I had a feeling you wouldn’t keep in long since the interior was so perfect it becomes stressful. I think adding a long hood will round out your collection and balance the driving experiences. I have a 2007 997 coupe, 84 911 targa, a 63 356b coupe, and an 87 Ferrari 328 gts. I think I’ve settled on the driving experiences I like and will likely keep them for a long time. The only change I could see making is dropping the 997 and replacing it with an 86-89 911 turbo. Love your content and hope to one day cruise up to NC. I’m out in the country in outside of Atlanta. Love the roads in NC, lived in Hendersonville in the mid 90s for a year.
I worked at a Porsche dealer during the transitional times from the last G-bodies to the early 993s. I was lucky enough to have sampled many variants of all models. I loved them all. The 964 felt like a modernized, hot-rodded g-body. In terms of performance and design, the 964 is a transitional model. I think most people like the looks of G-bodies and 993s over 964s, and their values will reflect that in the future. The 993 was a giant leap in handling and performance, and I wish it stuck around longer.
The 964 is the last 911 with the classic lines dating from 1964, it has the perfect blend of modern and classic.
Thanks for sharing the journey. She will be missed! Good look on your search for the next chapter in your ownership experience. Can't wait to see the videos of that when it happens.
great to hear your motivations and rational for moving the 964 on. Good luck with your long hood quest. Can't wait to hear what you find out there.
I completely agree with your decision. They are meant to be driven and enjoyed.
As a Swiss person, it makes no sense to me to own a car you're not willing to drive. A 964 was built to be driven; no one designed this car for people in the States who just want to make money off it.
Sad to see it leave the channel, but your rationale makes sense. Best of luck with the search for a long hood!
I’m not totally surprised. The 964 and 993 are essentially of the same era, and the 1973 911T I drove was definitely vintage- more akin to my 356. Also glad you opted not to modify the 964, because they have become increasingly difficult to find stock. I have a ‘93 C2 and I somewhat prefer it to my ex-‘96 993, but unless you’re opening a museum there’s not much of a rationale for having both. That said… the long hood 911s are occasional/weekend cars. You can rebuild for more power and add a/c, but the handling and braking are decades behind your 964. They are beautiful cars, though!
Great points Will. I find my 993 is more refined and luxurious compared to my 964. My wife actually likes riding in the 993 - the 964 not so much. My 964 fixer upper was modified and much more raw which I do enjoy. I also have the desire to get a long hood to add to the collection for a more analog/raw feeling. We’ll see if that happens! Looking forward to the rescheduled drive! Anand
I'm sure in long terms you will miss it. But I understand your point of view, cause I went the same road down. The 993 and the 964 are very similar to drive. In my collecting I have now more variaty. A Targa, a turbo and a coupe from different eras of the 911. So I enjoy every ride and every car with different experiences. Looking forward to your next 911 family member😀
964 in that condition is The Holy Grail....I'd have sold the other two,the house and the wife if necessary!
Great honest comments, I wish I had the amount of blue skies that you have ! 😅
I have owned 5 different Porsches. I have only had space for one at a time. I have never gotten so emotionally attached to any car that I absolutely couldn't sell it. So, I have always enjoyed and drove them liberally then moved on to the next one. To me these cars are all meant to be driven. So just collecting and looking at them isn't any fun. Good luck with the search for the long hood.
Appreciate the video & thanks for taking us through your thought process. Curious if u have any thoughts on pursuing other variants like 930s as well…
You’re welcome. Yeah, I’m not a turbo guy. I just don’t like how they make power.
Will, I was shocked to hear but not surprised at all. I completely get the different driving experiences thing. I’m in the early stages of building a Porsche history theme different driving model collection as well. Starting with 356, to long hood 911, 914 tribute, g-body Carrera, 930 and 964 variant. Looking for the pure different driving experience that each model offers. All are in different stages and over the next 5 years hope to be able to experience them for what each model represents and how different they drive. So I completely understand your decision!! I believe we are caretakers along the way and your 964 was cared for by you and now it’s time for it’s next journey! Thanks for video.
I need to come check them out
Thanks for sharing. It is a beautiful car, but totally understand why you may be looking for that different driving experience. The new owner is very lucky!
I’m new to all this and I love the shape of a 964 the most. But all the reasons make perfect sense. Good luck doing your thing
Wise choice. It has been been a problem-plagued money pit. Purposely steered around the 964 for this reason and went with a 993.
I would'nt necessarily say it's a wise choice, it was a personal choice.
As a car enthusiast, I totally get it! I'm thinking about selling my Shelby GT350R to fund a Porsche 718 Cayman purchase. There's just something about Porsches.
I agree with your decision to go for an early 911! 👏👏👏 I suggest you get one with an MFI. Best of luck!
Good choice.. look forward to seeing what long hood you acquire.. glad you kept your G model.
I can relate. I got a 911 like that. I bought it to modify, but is so rare, and has so little miles on it that it would be a crime to do it. I'm also afraid to drive it for fear of someone hitting it. I drive it like 3 times a year. It just sits in the corner of may garage with a cover over it most of the time.
Sad to see! Beautiful color and fantastic match with the interior
Reason #6. 💰💰💰
Congrats and thanks for sharing.
Makes perfect sense, I have owned 996,997,991……now my daily driver is a Panamera Sport Tourismo 4S, but i drive my long hood 68 911, for giggles and smiles per hour, it is my absolute favourite 😊. Totally get the reasoning! Luckily with Porsche, time travel is possible!
Hi Will. Bit of surprise to find out you let go your 964 but I understand your reasons. Putting miles on collector's quality 964 example doesn't feel right, I agree. On top of that 993 as a pinnacle of air-cooled 911's provides unique driving experience. Long-hood seats at another end of the scale - where it all started. It will be interesting to compare them side to side. Good luck, best wishes
I think you made a good decision Will. Now you can buy what you are looking for. Good luck.
Honestly I would pick a 993 over a 964 myself too, but I really want a 912 the most. I’ve always wanted a 912 but just can’t afford one currently, but my second choice would be a 993 or a 930.
I have what I think would have been an obvious alternative to selling that beautiful 964. Another 4 post lift. Not expensive and brings room for a 4th one in the garage. You can then get a long hood car and if you really wanted to, and I'd consider, take the 964 only to shows and cars n coffee. Too late now, but seemed obvious to me.
You sold at the best time before prices across the car market dropped. Good job!!
Can’t wait to see an early 911 on this channel !
Hi.Enjoying your vids. I've been considering getting 993 drivers car. Any recommendation on where to look? Rennlist?
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Had garage queens in the past and had to sell them as I don’t like cars as ornaments. Totally understand your reason for selling. Once the thought of selling pops into your head no matter what the car is gone.
A rare color 964, is a work of art & a piece of history, I agree with not modifying it. Had it been salvage title, then sure, have fun with it, but do not mess with a perfect original uncrashed car.
I may be biased because I've owned my 1996 993 since brand new (currently 22,575 miles). I think you've made a good choice selling the 964 instead of the 993. Can't wait to see your next car.
🙏🏽 thank you
All of these generations are great cars. The 993 of course is a great refined driving car. And the G body Carrera 3.2 is absolutely an automotive icon of the highest order. Maybe the 964 is a "tweener"? I think it's a smart move as a driver to go back and get into something "more 911". Lighter, smaller, faster, less comfortable, less refined, higher revving. I think that would be cool. Even is you took an old SC and made a '73 RS that would be a great video series.
Basically they're all the same car. Sure there were changes and improvements but unless you take 'em to the limits their feel is very similar (from the 80's to the 993). Can't comment the earlier T-models though and I'm sure they're different. I think most air cooled fans love all the generations because they maintained the same "feel" up until 996 came. I don't like the looks of 996 or the car itself... I'm sure it's a nice, capable car but nothing like these air cooled.
Indeed 5 very good reasons! In the end a car itself won’t make us happy. It’s merely the experience we have with them.
Another great video and good luck with the long good hunt. Will it be a hot rod? 3.6 or 3.8 transplant?
I think I’m looking for a long hood with a 2.2 or 2.4, and perhaps juiced up a bit. But I am open to seeing what appears.
Interesting video, many of his "reasons" are spot on and similar to what I have been grappling with on my low miles 964 Turbo. Unlike him I am still going through that thought process (6 years) Get his comment about not going back after thinking about selling, but I have backed off a bit on the idea of selling. I do have a driver SC targa and a 987.2 S that get driven a great deal more and with a lot less stress.
if you ever consider selling the turbo let me know! I have an itch I need to scratch there
Now that you've owned and sold a 964 and a longhood, of the 2, which would you prefer to have and why? Thanks! Love the channel and keep those Porsche videos coming.
Thanks a lot -- super helpful. I have a ROW car. Hidden inside the fronk.
I’m so sad to see you sell this car and I’m sorry to say you will regret it. Very special car in a very special color. Bridges the gap so well between old and new 911s. I’ve driven a lot of 993s lately and a really nice 3.2. None would make me give up either of my 964s. Good luck on the long hood quest but don’t be surprised if you realize your 3.2 fills that niche perfectly and then some. You may be 964 shopping again soon. Best wishes and thanks for the videos.
I may regret it, but I am doubtful. I have not given it a second thought since I sold it except that I am happy it went so quickly. It is actually waiting transport pick up in my garage and I feel no regret when I look at it, which is telling in my experience.
Your 86 is dialed in on stance. Damn that thing looks good.
But man, it is a gorgeous looking thing.
Good luck with the new car hunt
I remember your video when you first took delivery and the company kind of screwed you over on the PPI. Looks like you were able to recoup the loss and turn it into a win-win.
Yes, and a win for the buyer also. A 100% sorted 964 👍🏼
Just attended an air cooled breakfast crew event in Everglades City and apparently almost all follow Will. As an owner of a 993 and a ‘86 Carrera, I think the right decision was made. Thanks for all the great content.
Thanks for watching and for taking a moment to comment 🙏🏽
@@Rennthusiast It was somewhat amusing as I was telling some of the members of the breakfast club about your channel and they were all telling me they watch it and did I see where you sold your 964. I didn't and then watched the video. I think your reach into the air cooled crowd is larger than you may think.
I am looking forward to learning more about the long hood.
Same here
Hey, do you remember where to find the VIN for a 964? Its not on the front dash.
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I have to agree with reason number 2. I have an early RoW 89 C4, with only 80,000km and it's so clean I just don't want to take it out. I'm frightened that it's going to suffer rock chips, or that I'l scrape the wheels or that I'll even somehow wear the interior. I'm not even happy taking it up to it's rev limiter 😁 So it spends it life not doing a great deal 😱 I've scratched the longhood itch with a 65 but so far, I haven't driven it as it's still undergoing it's rebuild.
Cars like that hold us hostage! #DriveIt!
Nothing wrong with taking advantage of the market and giving someone else the opportunity to enjoy it. Of the three, the 964 would have my choice to sell as well.
Really enjoy the insight to your ownership experiences. I’ve never owned a 911 but aspire to one day. I have not even driven one. 997 seems to offer good value in Australia. Would you see this as a good first 911? Budget is the main factor and I don’t like the look of the 996
I had a 997.2 and can’t speak to the .1, although there’s plenty of info out there about them. The .1’s suffer from the IMS hullabaloo (rennlist.com/how-tos/a/porsche-997-why-the-ims-bearing-issue-is-overblown-383755) which seems to be way overblown.
I found my 997.2 C4S exceptionally easy to live with and quite attractive, although it felt like it lacked character in certain ways. That said, I am a fan of vintage and analog driving so that’s my bias.
Many LOVE the 997 so grab one if you can.
Thanks Will. When the time comes, I should be well versed in what to look out for thanks to you. Cheers, Andrew.
Well, I drive my 964 C4 nearly daily. It is very driveable in all conditions. The 993 might be the better car, but the 964 is just more beautiful.
Will, I had a '70 T and a '71 E and much preferred the E with the mechanical injection, as the Twin Zenith carbs. on the T never really got dialed in to my liking. Just something to be aware of - the earlier cars do seem to be a bit more fussy this way. That said, loved both cars but would never trade my 997 for another early car. I daily my 997 without a concern in the world and that is harder to do in one of the old classic cars.
Thanks for the insight and experience. Will keep it in mind as I search. Budget will play a role, which is why I’m eyeing a T vs E and especially S.
Still remember how the 964 was strongly disliked when it came out. I still fall into that camp.
You were right to sell it… to me.. 964 and 993 🥊 boxe in the same category… as 3.2 and SC 3.0 do actually… better have something different from the same legacy « made in Stuttgart »
Great channel, Will. The 964s are beautiful cars, but way overpriced right now. Longhoods are the ticket. I hope to be in one soon as well.
Thank you!
My Cars : 1988 Carrera - Commemorative edition - wonderful driving G50 / 2009 Turbo 6 speed - silly fast and fun - 650 HP + / 2014 Panamera Turbo - 26 MPG on fwy & awesome 4 wheel burnouts in Launch mode !
Totally get reason number three. They are only original once and I factor that in when I am in the market. If a prospective car already has mods then I feel far more comfortable putting my personal stamp on it.
What did he sell it for?
I was a bit surprised gifen your last 964 video but I understand your reasons. What long year appeals to you? I have heard the last few years are the best to buy? 1972 1973?
72T or 73T
I thought this one would fit you well. I did also wonder if you were concerned on wear and tear on the 964 wouldn't the 1972 be even more of a worry?
Bring a trailer. 1972 911s red
I had a 1990 s4 polar silver. It had 60K miles. I bought it in 2000 for 15K. I don't even remember what I sold it for, but I so wish I kept it.
Respectfully, a sixth or main reason seems to be that you can't commit to long term relationships 😅. After all, the longest you have kept a car is 3 years... Incidentally, if you want variety in the driving experience combined with daily qualities in an air-cooled 911, a 964 C4 is hard to beat.
Haha you’re starting to seeing my issue. Very hard for me not to continue to search for new experiences with these 911’s.
Interesting video. Don't you think reasons 2 (collectible) and 3 (mods) will apply equally, if not more, to a classic longhood? Enjoy the search for the new addition (and keep us posted 😉)!
Not with the right example. I have friends who have driver quality long hoods that are purpose built for driving hard and lend themselves cosmetically to being less careful with paint, for example. This is why I want to be thoughtful about what I pick up.
Those long hoods are seductive, for sure.
Tough decision that must have been, it’s the best Porsche in my opinion but understandable on the garage Queen reason.
Respect for being a true enthusiastic driver Vs « a poser » ..I have done the same thing, selling my 89 turbo and keeping my drivers
I sold my mint 34,000 mile 3.2 for the same reason: every mile felt like a sin against something irreplaceable. It will find a better home with a different type of enthusiast.
#drivennotparked
Will.. One of these days I will slap you silly.. The next better be a Ruff. Catching up on all the content missed. 🙃🚗
Lol
964 was the one to keep long term.
Nah
What did you sell it for if you don’t mind me asking?
I’m sorry, but I was asked not to disclose. I am quite happy and so is the buyer, which means it was a good deal.
What are the least desirable Porche 911s and why ? For someone looking to get into the 911 ownership where should I start ?
This doesn’t answer your question exactly but it’s a start: czcams.com/video/8Bu2CUMX1c0/video.html
As far as least desirable, this depends on who you ask as well as what your ownership goals are. Budget plays a part, both for the initial purchase as well as upkeep.
Do you want classic or modern? Coupe, targa or cab? Do you want a shine and show example or do you want a driver?
As far as problems go, the 996 911 has the IMS bearing issue which was widespread and catastrophic. This can be very easily researched.
It really boils down to doing your homework once you’ve decided what you want out of a 911.
Long time 911 lover here but until recently never had the money to even consider one.
Question: what’s the best year for an air cooled 911 for somebody who wants one to actually drive somewhat regularly? Pure pleasure car.
I don’t need peak performance, will not take it to a track, and don’t care about getting huge appreciation in the future. Reasonable reliability is more important. Opinions? Thanks
That really depends on your budget. 3.2 Carreras you can’t go wrong with. Galvanized, bulletproof motors. Fun to drive. Iconic. But again, really depends on your budget and what you like (longhood vs impact bumper vs 964 vs 993?)
Not to mention couple vs targa vs cab.
I pretty much had it nailed in my earlier pre video comments re Garage Queen and Value. It was the reason I sold my ‘93 Turbo 3.6. I have kept my C4 for 9 years and I think it is the ‘complete’ 964, not the C2, if you want to drive hard on wet backroads. I doubt you will regret selling, as it wasn’t for you. I decided to jump the years and go Cayman R and now Spyder for my second road car.
Yep. You called it. I remember.
Beautiful car.
At one point i noticed you were driving with hands on the gear lever. Hmmm
Interior reminds me of a 87 944 Turbo I once owned (heresy)
Interesting video.
Thanks. Audio level
Quite low fyi
All good reasons but that 964 gave you a lot of grief initially and you were disappointed. It’s hard to reconcile once a car has disappointed you. Been there!
Beautiful car and if it's not the right car for you, send it. Title of video is "insanely rare" - that 964 is not "insanely rare", the interior/exterior color spec is moderately rare. A C4 Lightweight would be "insanely" rare. I sold an E30 M3 for some of the same reasons - mostly because it I felt it was a garage queen and I sought something that I could daily, which resulted in a 996 C4S: Modern chassis, awd, great climate control and a/c, airbags, very easy going as a daily and not worried about value! Not rare. :-) Happy Porsche driving! Thanks for your videos, well done.
Thank you. Maybe not insanely rare but I would submit to you that anyone looking for this spec would be hard pressed to find one. Thanks for the support!
If you don’t mind sharing.. the amount of money you invested vs what you recouped on the sale .. it gives people a perspective of why jumping into one of these cars can become a financial headache.
The buyer asked me not to disclose the sale price and I want to respect that wish.
That said, I am very pleased with the result and feel good about where the car landed. This 964 came with its fair share of headaches (at first) but I had the chance to get the car right, experience it for a year and move it on to the next caretaker. And now I can say I have owned and experienced a unicorn 964.
@@Rennthusiast that’s not what I asked. Did you lose money with what you sold the car compared to what you invested in it?? I didn’t ask you to disclose specific numbers. Most people that buy 964s in this condition have a good idea what they go for. But I assume you lost money in the overall experience of owning a 964.
Nice daytona
Thx. Aren’t 99.9% of air cooled guys also watch guys? 😂
the care deserve a better owner.
Thanks for the feedback.
Sounds like a good decision
I was thinking of getting a 911, but after watching your video decided I'm keeping my Fiat 500. Winning. And yes, I did vote for Jo Bidens.
😂
Don't agree with number 2. These cars are driver's cars. My 996 is relatively low mileage, I'm only the second owner, but it will never be a garage queen. I've done 3400 miles in my first year of ownership and will never tire of driving it.
I hear you, but the value and collectibility of the 996 can’t in any way be compared to the 964. I don’t disagree with the idea they’re meant to be driven. That’s what I love about them. But you gotta be smart about which examples to beat on.
@@Rennthusiast true. I'm in the position where I will never be able to afford that dilemma. Can't wait to see what you buy next. Love the videos.
This has been said. You can’t commit. 964 was the best car in your group of aircooleds and you never even put the proper miles on it before kicking it down the road. A mistake you will regret.
Maybe but doubtful
All the reasons provided could’ve been predicted even before the purchase. I think you need some impulse control lol
Ok here's a question - if the AG 964 was your first air-cooled, and then you bought a 993 several years after, which one would you keep? As in, assuming you build an emotional attachment to the 964 and then the 993 comes along.
By the way, I like your decision process, but not the whole "collectible" reasoning. You're on this Earth once for a very short time. Buy and drive the car you like; who cares about "collectability" or "too nice to drive"
Great question. I would likely favor the 964.
I hear you on YOLO. This is why I grabbed a 69T hot rod to replace the 964. Way more entertaining for my use: czcams.com/video/emiryn7XQX0/video.html
I will never ever sell my 964
The 964 is my least favourite porsche 911 because of the looks of it
Thanks for watching and commenting.
So many people think it’s the best looking Classic porsche. I always find it fascinating how someone can think it’s the most attractive while another thinks it’s the least attractive.
To each his own.
Thanks again!
so much repetition,,,,hard to watch
What would you like to see? I am seriously open to suggestions.
I plan to change up the types of shots I do, but would love content ideas from anyone willing to give them to me.
A couple of thoughts:
1. After making over 100 videos, I’ve found formulas for what seems to work and what doesn’t. So if a formula grows the channel, I tend to reuse it. Perhaps not the best approach for some viewers.
2. A “format” is something that I’ve focused on developing. So, an intro, main content, then an outro. Would love your thoughts on this too.
I am not going to pivot the entire channel based on feedback from one viewer but at the same time I’m sure you’re not the only one feeling this way.
So help me out. 👍🏼
I can understand the " too much repetition critics" . I found your channel only a couple of days ago, and I've been watching lots of videos, I´m really enjoying your channel, but it´s true that you repeat same sentences over and over unnecessarly. Try to simplify your speech perhaps. But don't get me wrong, I love your videos. I was a bit disapoointed you sold your 964, my favourite 911 generation after long hoods...Keep on going!@@Rennthusiast
Ffs you like the sounf of your own voice 5mins 20 sec in and you still haven't give one reason im sooo bored
Guys like you are always entertaining. Don’t like it? Don’t watch it. 😄