LOCKED UP BIG BLOCK 8.1L Silverado 2500 Vortec 8100 Engine Teardown!
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- čas přidán 13. 10. 2023
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Today's subject is the 8.1L Vortec 8100 Big Block Chevrolet engine found in 2001-2007 Full size trucks and some SUV's. This very heavy torque house makes 340hp and 450lb ft of torque. These engines are generally though of as extremely reliable as they are low stress, low rpm engines and often used in medium duty applications like step vans, busses, and even marine applications. This particular engine was a core return at a local salvage yard. They sold a good engine and charged a core for the old one, which I bought when it was returned. I never get details on cores like this so I don't know miles, or what's wrong with it. Thats what the video is about, figuring out what happened and perhaps why.
My name is Eric and I own and run a full service auto salvage business in the Saint Louis Missouri area called Importapart. Part of our model includes buying blown up and core engines, dismantling them and salvaging the good parts to resell. We do not rebuild engines, merely supply parts to those that do!
I really hope you enjoyed this teardown and as always, I love all of the comments, feedback and even the criticism!
Catch you on the next one!
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I'd guess oil change but not refilled. On startup no oil to mains but oil in the crank gallery would feed rods for a few seconds. Main bearing debris isn't carried to rest of the engine, stays in mains & grinds them up. Engine locked before residual lube was exhausted.
I 100% agree!
👍👍👍👍💯💯💯 I just type and commented. Took me a while to get it right. I look down and see many old school got it. Here is mine....
OLD SCHOOL.... They have let it idle with no oil until it stopped. The big end bearings don't get used or heated much at idle while the flywheel does its job, and so a film of oil remains.
But mains work as the engine comes up to temperature. The main caps definitely show heat, and this could mean many things...
But its the dry crank that gives it all away. The crank shows heat sink via the bearings to the crank, BECAUSE the engine stopped with no oil in the pan, and not even enough oil vapour from the over heating to coat the crank.
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Someone, that used the same plugs for likely 200k miles replaced oil? lol nope
@poprawa what? Jus bc someone doesn't change plugs in no way is anybody gonna assume they don't change there oil besides u lol
I hate to say I'm sitting here waiting for this weeks video but I'm sitting here waiting for this weeks video.
You aren’t alone brother
When the crankshaft passages are full of oil and for some reason the engine loses pressure, the centrifugal force of the crank spinning pushes the oil out to the rod journals, so that the mains starve first. Notice the front main, farthest from the oil pump, was the worst bearing, and the rear bearing, the thrust bearing, was the best. Some one ran the engine out of oil and put a new filter with some oil in it (probably used oil by the look of the filter) and put some oil in the pan and tried to start it.
Interesting theory, but if the engine was run without oil for long enough to spin and destroy the main bearings that badly, it seems very odd that the rod bearings would show absolutely no signs of abnormal wear.
@@averyalexander2303 If they filled that filter during an oil change but forgot to refill the crankcase before starting, that would explain the whole thing.
@@randr10 That would explain the filter being wet and the main bearings being destroyed, but it wouldn't explain why the rod bearings still looked virtually new. From what I have noticed, the rod bearings generally seem to wear faster than the main bearings during normal use, especially the upper halves.
Improper oil change intervals is my first thought, leading to small amounts of metal to build up in main bearings blocking the oil journal halfway through the crankshaft. That lack of oil will lead to only half of the engine with proper lube due to the cam and lifter oil journals are separate from the crank on that engine. This lack of lube will cause overheating and failure of only main bearings over time as the metal is stuck in crankshaft journals and leads to a blockage of oil ports in the crank. Another possibility is a dry start up that ran to long after an oil change without oil in it but was caught before it left shop but in the process leaving small amounts of blockage debris but not enough for a full failure until months down the line due to low lubrication in crank over time adding small amounts of metal in the meantime. None the less inadequate lubrication is the culprit causing over heating and finally a full seizure of the crankshaft.
SB Chevy engines require 4 psi of oil pressure to allow the engine to fire. If this thing was not refilled at the time of the oil change, I am surprised that the ECM allowed the fire command. Sad.
The oil cooler circuit goes from the oil pump directly out to the cooler, then back to the block before lubing the mains. You can see the oil cooler lines right next to the oil filter. The oil cooler lines have a tendency to suddenly pop leaks at the rubber section between the hard lines and the hard lines at the radiator. It's about 6-10 inches long of rubber for vibration damping betweeen the 2 sections.That vibration can cause the crimps to leak over time. If it was a sudden catastrophic leak it would run all the oil directly out the line and onto the ground, lubing nothing. If it was low rpm the mains would wipe before the rods, and fairly quickly. The centripetal force of the crank rotating would fling oil out to the rods to keep them lubed at lower rpm. Higher rpm oil starvation wipes rods first due to the same reason, flings it out faster and leaves metal to metal.
I've replaced a few of the oil cooler lines on 8.1s over the decades and even almost had the catrastrophic failure on my own 8.1 burb. My wife saw it start pouring out within 2 seconds of start and I shut it down. She was walking up from the front door. Luckily after being married to a pro mechanic for 24 years she knows to look for leaks and yell out "kill it!" immediately.
Of course it could also be the classic oil change, new filter, forget to fill it up and it died backing out of the shop/garage. You know, the standard lube shop stuff like not putting drain plugs back, putting twice the oil in, forgetting the oil entirely, putting the oil into the transmission, not tightening drain plugs, cold revs to the rev limiter, etc. I get quite a lot of engine replacements and repair jobs from lube shops.
I think you have the correct diagnosis.
Yep, that's why more need to do their own oil changes.
30+ years gm tech here and I concur with this hypothesis. Oil line pops, customer panics and sits on the side of the road with the engine low oil pressure light on, engine running and doesn't know what to do while starving the main bearings. I've seen that exact scenario before.
@demo2x if I see no leaks and my oil light is on I check my dip stick and then replace the $15 oil sending unit sensor before driving again.
I've worked on small blocks for a long time, but no big blocks, but this is exactly what I'd assume for main bearing failure. Happens on square s10s
For all those mentioning...it's got huge displacement and low power because that's good for longevity. Even Ford's new 7.3 godzilla engine makes 300hp/425tq in the heavy truck variant. That's how you get 500k miles out of them.
I had a 7.3L Godzilla in an F450 430hp 475 horse torques
Ford's Godzilla engines have a habit of eating their valvetrains for breakfast before 40,000 miles though haha. They're shit. All the modern advancements in the intervening 50-odd years between the 460's introduction and the Godzilla's and all Ford managed to do was make it shittier...
@@TestECull so does the modern chevys with there lifters with active fuel management.
Yes for a rule of thumb thats correct but there is more to it than that. The engine also must be installed in the right vehicle to last long. The famous VW 1.9L TDi that last 1.000.000km wouöd not last that long in a big truck.
@@TestECullVariable displacement oil pump driven by a teeny, little roller chain that will fail in time as well. . Garbage.
Well, that’s the nicest sounding Stock C5 I’ve ever heard
The bonus scene explains why Eric is always so chill
The scatter pattern of metal shavings in the oil pan seemed to indicate that the pan was dry when the shavings were scattered around the pan.
I think this is right - something was whispering in my head at the end and this observant fan pointed it out. Good job!
This is a very good point. I agree fully
I think it was dry started after oil change. Filter might have been primed or wet from oil that was in the pump.
I worked in a shop where a mechanic did the top and I did the bottom on a full oil change and tranny service. I did my work properly including pre filling the filter. The topside guy didn't put in the oil but did put in the tranny fluid, he started the truck to top off the tranny but never checked that the oil light went off. That engine seized up before it got out of the work bay. I wasn't fired, he was, but I learned a very valuable lesson by this, always check the oil before you turn the key. I also leave the dipstick and oil filler cap off till the oil goes back in.
@@davidedgar2818and THAT is exactly why I've never understood why anyone would ever think it's a good idea to have a 2-person oil change system. When i was a Chrysler tech they started doing that system for the lube techs and i remember thinking "i wonder how many engines will end up being started without oil in them" let's just say the whole 2 person oil change thing didn't last very long 😂😂
My thought exactly. As soon as he said the filter looked new... Oof.
If you have a BMW with yellow chalk on the oil cap, that was me. No dipstick means I mark the oil cap after filling...
Was thinking the same. Clean oil filter and 'dry' looking engine internals plus the signs of running hot would suggest it was run without oil.
Another vehicle that could be powered by this engine is a school bus! I worked as a school bus mechanic back in 2007 and we had a whole fleet of the 8.1L gas motors powering 70 passenger school buses.
I had to replace MANY oil pan gaskets and rear main seals. Oil pan gasket leaks were common, but they leaked in the back so we could not tell if it was the oil pan or rear main seal. So, since the transmission had to come off for us to check the rear main seal, we would go ahead and replace it. It would take me about 8 hours to do each one.
Great fun fact. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah - Pretty sure they put them in the Kodiak/Topkicks for a number of years and could see them in anything with that platform.
It lived in box trucks topkick/Kodiak longer then anywhere else, until 2009, then it was sold to be used as marine and power generation lol. They are 1000hp capable WITH 15000$ in parts lolol.
I bet better than that dron-y sounding ford v10 (tbh the only issue I can think of atm with those is exhaust manifolds cracked a lot)
Best engine i have ever had.285000 miles .Towed 16000 lbs for over 7 years with only brakes tires and one crank sensor.I wish i had never sold it.😢
LT Tolman, built a turbo 8.1 from a junkyard motor and swapped it into a GMT800 1/2 ton 2WD. It put down over 1,000 ft lbs at the wheels and a 10.99 1/4 mile. He's building a new 572 out of an industrial block version of the 8.1. He's shooting for 1500hp on that one. I recommend his channel.
Why I like your videos. No long ass intros. Right to Eric and what he is doing. No loud ass music than drowns out life. Only the sounds of a man working and swearing and joking.
Classic : drained the oil, forgot to put more back in.
Not with the 8100's, they burn oil as much as they burn gas.
I had a 2003 2500 Avalanche with one of these. Best truck I’ve ever owned. I’ll never forget pulling a 31’ travel trailer cross country, with a canoe on the truck (I made a special rack to fit the Avalanche), up over the Rockies, AC on, in 100-degree heat, WHILE accelerating uphill! It was amazing!
Had one in a 2001 2500 Silverado…you’re correct these engines are a beast! Hauled a trailer with my 3 horses and never broke a sweat…
These big blocks definitely last a long time if you take care of them
Had this engine in a 2500 suburban and absolutely loved it. I regret selling it every day.
I've owned my '03 Chevy Silverado 2500HD (1-ton, single rear wheels) since new. I bought the 8.1 as it was offered as an alternative to the Duramax at that time. While the diesel did offer another 65 lb./ft of torque, the 8.1 offered 40 more horsepower. The Duramax was also $5000 more dear. Max tow rating on the truck was actually 300 lbs. less on the diesel because of its added weight. As was comically said at the time, it could pass everything except a gas station! All around unladen driving would net little more than 8 mpg, while cruising down the highway at 60 mph might get you 13-14 mpg on a good day. But what a workhorse! Ours has been used most of the time pulling our 5th wheel trailers, a duty it's never balked at. I do have a little leak from the rear main seal, but other than that it's just been routine maintenance. I understand that a significant percentage of these were used in marine applications.
Blue devil ………thats the brand of rear seal treatment you can add to the oil…it makes the oil swell up the rubber in the seals making them effective again, you can buy a bottle of it at auto zone, kragen, napa, car quest..etc etc, just about any parts house will have it and its cost around $30/$40 depending on where you purchase it…it cost so much more than the other brands cause it works….if not they will give you back your money 100%…..u just add the bottle to your oil and drive,usually after 100 miles you should see results, if the leak is really bad you might need 2 bottles, considering its an 8.1 big block i would probably plan on 2 bottles but then again i dont know how bad your leak is…….i used it on my LSA super charged LQ9 in the nova you see in my lil picture next to my name, i was skeptical at first but then again i didnt wanna pull the motor for such a stupid simple 5 minute job…so i poured a bottle in and not even a week later i noticed my leak was gone…….so now i try all of their products first whenever i find a leak somewhere…..they have a full line of products from diffs, trans, engine, radiators and some other few that i may have forgot…….just remember pay the good money for “BLUE DEVIL”……. Do not go cheap and use a different brand, it wont work!!!……..blue devil all the way…..no im not getting paid for saying this….they just make a great product and i wanna save you time and money!!!
And yes i have one of these motors in my eagle230 eliminator (boat) but the marine applications make more power and they are labeled as mercruiser mag 496 HO……..rated at 425hp
My experience, what looks like a rear main seal leak is actually just the oil pan gasket leaking.
The 8.1 was a great choice for people who wanted to tow their travel trailers but didn’t want the hassle and expense of owning a modern emissions diesel engine. I’m not sure what power numbers are acceptable to some people. The 8.1 would drag a 30 ft. trailer down the road like it was nothing but because it’s numbers on paper don’t show diesel torque numbers it’s underpowered according to a few geniuses. The horsepower competition amongst modern diesel engines coupled with their emissions systems has destroyed diesel engine reliability. The 8.1 is the exact opposite to modern diesel engines. Low technology, simplistic design, and not highly stressed. It worked well for what it was designed to do.
I appreciate the effort put into your content 👍
Love this engine. I have it in my 01 chevy 2500hd. Pulls like a beast. Makes max torque around 3200 rpms.
Hmmm I’m betting it was the last oil change, someone left out the oil, drove off or maybe just idled it ? Couple years back a dealership did exactly that to one of my cars. Engine rapped for a minute then they shut it down. Wouldn’t crank then, seized up tight. Dealer bought car back, just 8000 miles. Thanks for your great videos, you should be a shop teacher for the next gen mechanics? 😅
Still have mine 270 k miles and she’s still running strong.
I currently daily one of these in a 2500 Suburban. Nice to see a full tear down to get a better idea of what these things are like on the inside.
Same here. I have a 2001 with 160k. Drove it to Texas and Back to Wisconsin with NO problems. I love this truck
I have a 2001 2500 HD with 255k, still running strong. Pulls my 7K travel trailer just fine.
Lt Tolman knows just about all there is to know about these. His made mad power.
8.1 the original duramax killer. Love that engine
Thankyou Eric for taking the time to enlighten us once again!
I @'d you in the title but thank you for doing what you do. Without you i wouldnt have had the confidence to rebuild my friends engine and eventually, a couple days ago, start it for the first time after he blew it up. After all, if someone who is "Taking bolts out til stuff falls off" cam do it. The so can I. Happiest day for me this year. Keep up the awesome work.
Yes, only 340 horsepower out of 8.1 Liters. While this isnt a lot it was rated 340 at 4k rpm and 450 at 3k. It was a big engine made for towing
That's why they lasted so long. They were pulling reasonable numbers. What we get today is the poster child of 'burning the candle at both ends'. You ask 300hp out of 3 liters you're going to have a fleetingly short engine lifespan. You ask 300hp out of 8 liters and it's going to last basically for-fucking-ever.
It's part of why I won't buy modern stuff. I like longevity and don't care about fast, so I'm quite happy to have 120hp out of 4.9 liters. I know I'll still be getting 120hp out of 4.9 liters 40 years from now.
@@TestECull Japan has been pumping out 300bhp 3 liters that are wayyy more reliable than any american junk
@@TestECull I hear ya. My daily driver is a 72 Lemans 2 door hardtop. It just turned 90,000 miles. With it's slight mods, it probably only puts out about 200 net HP, but it does it all day long. LOL
@@TestECull I have a 6.2L F150 - says 411hp 430TQ. Also supposed to run forever. Gas mileage sucks though, even driving like grandma most I get is 15.5 combined.
@@alb12345672 If you had a manual transmission you might be able to nudge up a bit higher. But eh, still asking a bit much out of that 6.2. And I'd have my doubts you're getting 411/430 out of it anyway. These things don't always make what the brochure says they make; my mom's '04 4.2l/auto F150 with 270k on the clock will kick the snot out of our 14 3.6l Challenger in any area of the speedo it's legal to go despite supposedly having >100hp less than the Challenger does and weighing about the same. It's not even a contest the F150 pulls like a freight train the Challenger barely lumbers along.
No way in hell that Pentashit is making the 320hp it's supposed to....I'd say 220.
Incredibly satisfying to watch. Great commentary as well. Thanks for sharing.
Proud owner of an 06 Avvie 2500!! Its truly a rare beast!!
It's awesome to see you get excited about an engine like this. It reminds me of me when I get to work on something I don't normally work on.
My 02 Yukon XL just hit over 200k this year. And it’s still purring like a kitten.
They're great
The only GMT-400’s that got the 8.1 are the “1.5 ton” 3500 HD straight frame / I beam front axle Cab and chassis trucks. They were basically a 4500/5500 just named differently and the reason they built them with 8.1’s and Allison’s for a couple years is they didn’t have the new C4500-5500’s ready for market yet. They were 2wd chassis cab trucks only and had things like 19.5 wheels and unique frames and front axles that required mounting the body a few inches higher than on regular 1500-3500 trucks, hence the weird filler panel they had at the front below the grille. The look a LOT like the Mark IV big block Chevy internally, but they did have some minor upgrades based on LS engine features like the better sealing valve covers with coils mounted on them for the coil near plug ignition setup, heads with a more efficient port design, intakes with vertical bolts, and the better flowing “header” type exhaust manifolds.
That ending with the stock Corvette was epic.
Nothing like the sound of an LS. 😂🎉😂
Other than the ford Godzilla 7.3 ready to eat everyone's lunch 😊
Good Sir, I pose a theory: Someone changed the oil, new filter. Someone did NOT refill the oil. There was enough old oil still kicking around to wet the new filter, and even get to the top of the engine...just barely.
But 8.1L of displacement was much less forgiving to the now very very limited supply of oil that the crank saw. I'd imagine theres more friction in the bottom end than the top, cuz...well...8point1leaderz. Big oof ensues. ~fin
Sounds reasonable 🤔
Murdered
That’s what I was thinking. Alternatively they drained the oil intending to just put fresh oil in It and not do a filter change….like maybe a rip-off oil change place that says they put a new filter on and didn’t and in this case didn’t put oil oil in either.
This is my theory as well
Oil change was my first thought too, though i was thinking oil filter not being sealed properly, they drive away, oil leaks away.... we know what happens next🤔💥
I look forward to Saturday when I Do Cars comes out. Thanks Eric. 👧
It's also the day my Runescape clan's citadel resets! What a night!
Thankyou Eric for taking the time to enlighten us once again!. Well, that’s the nicest sounding Stock C5 I’ve ever heard.
I'm gonna guess that it was ran with very low oil too, really lucky the block didn't get a new window or two installed. It does happen where the main bearings spin before the rods, but it's really not very often. All in all there's quite a few good parts from this one which is a nice bonus. I've always wanted an 8.1, my uncle had a Yukon XXL with one and he loved everything about it, except the fuel mileage.
These came in the GMC Topkick and Chevy Kodiak too!!!
Heck yeah. Been waiting for an 8.1. I think I even said something on a previous video and here she is. I’m kinda excited
The older big block, 454, etc. Are known for the bottom ends to knock after excessive mileage. Due to end play of the crankshaft brush washer bearing failure they will still run but they will knock a couple times when you first fire them up. Been wrenching for 40 years
awesome tear down again sir, i applaud your humility eric
Great video, going to be doing my own tear down this week on a 7.5 hp refrigeration compressor that had no oil pressure.
Another great Saturday night video Eric. Thanks man, and keep up the good work. Oh, and P.S. I totally believe you...that corvette at the end is absolutely stock! :)
Very Well Done !
Enjoyed another Great video .
I enjoyed this vid very much Eric. Thanks a lot!
My brother's 5.3 looked somewhat like that when he took it apart; turned out it cracked between the coolant jacket and the intake port, including the valve guide area. We replaced the heads and reinstalled every single internal piece aside from oil pump and chain after extensive cleaning, wd40, brake clean, and brillow pad work. It runs like a dream 2 years later and weekly use.
oh well i typed before the main bearing issue showed up, lol.
Mary had a Little Lamb with the pickup was so great!
I learn a ton of stuff on these videos, thank you Sir.
Nice to see you giddy for a tear down. Lol I'm not a chevy man but I learned something from you once again. I didn't know about that motor. Thanks
I suspect somebody started it bone dry after an oil change and ran the mains - just my opinion. A shame, because apart from the cam lobe trouble just starting, the rest of it didn't look bad. Thanks for the teardown video. Glad that fan and pump were put to good use. Cheers!
Thanks for showing us pictures of the vehicles that the engine are used in.
Us internationals are not always familiar with US cars
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Nice job you were well prepared and it shows. I like it!
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Matt’s off road recovery worlds largest off road wrecker runs this engine
I had an Avalanche 2500 with this engine. It was an awesome engine and would outrun almost everything. It was a great tow engine.
I was waiting for an 8.1 video. Prayers answered.🙌🏻
I have a 2001 2500 hd with the 8.1, 380k miles and still going strong!
Accidentally lost the water pump I see
Accidents happen…….
It had to be that pine needle!
Good work y learn alot from you chanel.❤
Really interesting content👌. You're a great presenter, super knowledgeable and great at explaining things. Subscribed!
What are the chances someone did an oil change and forgot to put the oil back in?
That’s what I’m thinking too
I would wager it happened at a quick lube location.
This has my vote. Just enough oil in the galleys to wet the oil filter, but that about it. The mains were completely dry, so it didn't run long enough to trash the rod bearings.
Likely fired her up , started backing up and spotted the unopened oil jugs on the seat. 😬@@Markomyt1
And then they let it idle for a while.... till it stopped. That at least sounds plausible.
Good evening Eric. Big block engine. I wander what malice are we in store for tonight. Well the fan blade took a pounding by a forklift. What kind of fungus is among us😂🤣. Eric’s rhymes are so divine.
Perfect job as always!😊
I am a new subscriber and love watching all your videos. Keep up the good work!
This looks like they may have started it with no to little oil during an oil change or a bad oil pump
I worked at a Chevy dealership in the early 2000’s, and they were selling an Avalanche with the 8100 with a Borla exhaust on it. It sounded sweeeeeet. I also got to drive it. For a vehicle of that size, I was very impressed with the power. 😉
Yeah the 2500 avalanches did have those in them as well, talk about a unique vehicle
Nice to finally see the inside of one of these monsters. I have an 02 silverado 2500hd that I just yesterday rolled over 298k in. Love this engine. Pulled a 7400 lb travel trailer all over the west with it and never once broke a sweat. Took her from salt lake to Sacramento in August, 110 degrees the whole time. Up over Donner pass. Temps never got over the midline of the gauges.
Just subscribed and a first time viewer. Like the way you do things.
These 8.1L motors were great marine engines in the early-to-mid 2000s. 425hp and over 500lb-ft and definitely overbuilt for that power output.
My son has 2 of them in his boat, they run great, lots of power. 👍
I have one in my eagle 230 eliminator…..yeah its a blast!!!
@@Musclecar19722 is always better than 1……i can only imagine how much gas his boat uses (cost)…..im guessing its an offshore racer over 25’……….mine is a 23’ just at the brink of becoming a mini cigarette!!!
@@trentdawg2832 I don’t know what it would be classified as, it’s a nice boat, but yes he says it’s hard on fuel, I have never personally ridden in it, have only seen detailed pictures of it, we don’t live in the same state. He has owned a few boats, and is pretty well versed in them.
Ah his favorite, an 8.1 inch BBC. On a real note keep up the awesome work man I went to trade school and still constantly learn from you.
trade skool mechanics,, learn to change oil..here in aus.. our trade system is a rort, employers get money teach you nothing.. plumbers same, you learn more working than bs trade.. employers cen hire people for 3 months, get a grant, then hire another for 3 months, another grant.. sacked after 3 months so some other suckers gets paid for 3 months then sacked,,.to start a bussiness here, you need to grow drugs for 4 yrs, to get enough capitol to survive the 5 yrs before the gov leaves you alone.. my first yr as a contractor, i paid double tax. ??.. you never get it back.. say 50k 1st yr. double tax at 30% is 60%.... no fkn insentive to work,, eh.. boilermaker.21 yrs, construction 22 yrs.. now on dole.. body died.. 4 u.s. trucks, 4x4, 1 challenger 340 r/t.
@mattedward6155 I'm shocked. I thought you knew everything after trade school.
Another great video thank you.
We had one of these in a work truck and I loved it. We ran it for a bit over 18000 hours when it lost compression in 3 cylinders around the same time. It burned a lot of oil for a long time but it pulled everything we needed without a fuss. It went to auction under its own power. 450k miles 18000 and change hours.
I wanted that water pump! 😂 I could have made a flying drone with it.
Almost going to bet that this was a Jiffy Lube special oil change screw up. Aka they changed the oil and forgot to put oil back into the engine. My aunt had them do that to her 2020 Honda Crv and they bought her a new engine.
Jiffy lube TECHNICIAN's that's what they are called. Change oil on your bubba truck and now their Technicians. With a capital T.
Something about being called a TECHNICIAN just rings your bell loud and your mum and pop proud. 😅😅😅
@@2nickles647 either way, PepBoys still has JiffyLube beat. PB's will either snap oil drain plug off ,strip your oil drain plug, or gorilla tighten oil filter on to 400 foot pounds torque
@@harveylong5878 😂 👍🤣
bonus footage was fantastic
I have 1 of those in my 01 Yukon XL 2500. A beast motor. Your engine can be resurrected. Gonna take some $$'s to make it right for sure. But I think still worth the time & cost. The block is in good shape. Crosshatching still looked okay from here. They literally will run forever. Mine runs great still. Although I've already done the usual's..... Fuel pumps....etc....At 234k, I can hear and need to put a pinion bearing in the 4.10's rear, growling lately !!! Be prepared for someone who's NEVER had a big BIG BLOCK, in a full size, heavy Yukon/Suburban/truck.... IT LOVES GAS !!! Cool vlog !!!
I had to take a double take when i heard the horsepower and torque numbers. There so low for such a big engine, but that's just how it was back than.
Its purposeful in its designed power though. These engines may not make absurd power, but they can take absurd abuse for very long periods of time, and handle being overloaded very well. I'd be willing to bet this one ran a very long time without oil in it lol
Its not low tho. Everyone hears the peaks and forgets about rpm where that peak is.
I can honestly say that's the first time I've wanted to spend 40 mins looking at a BBC...
As usual, thanks for the video Eric - the highlight of my week. And I'm sure that water pump will improve the scrap value of that car you installed it in.
Sad about that white Miata with the blue stripe, that's a good look.
Come one. We all know you love the BBC. That's what Bubba told us.
Oh don’t play coy, you know you’re all about the BBCs. No shame in it.
We all have a soft spot those lovely BbCs.
These engines were damn strong.
I was training a tow truck driver. 3500HD with a car on the hook. She started off in 3rd gear and it did not stall.
I had a 8.1L in a 2005 2500HD. Great engine!
Try to find a Ford 460 for the next one. As always, I love these videos
Some possible things that would cause the mains to fail without damaging rod bearings. Bending of the crankshaft. From lugging or high rpm. Another reason might be block warping. From fast heat or large heat cycles. Either could be checked by a machine shop. Oil starvation looks likely but rod bearings look really good.
This’ll happen with a pre-filled oil filter and a dry sump ….
Wink and a nod for the musical entertainment with the oil pickup. Thx.
great job editing, very funny!
my guess is that it was towed in gear, no stress on connecting rods but crank was spinning like a tasmanian devil.
There's a plausible alternative!
I was thinking sudden loss of oil, broken oil cooler line. But this is a very likely scenario also.
The oil pump would have been turning if the crank was turning via timing chain and cam then to the oil pump.
This engine looks like an old fashioned beast.
It is !! 1950s technology. the oil pump drive off the cam, the top half used to go to the distributor. The main failure point on these is the cam, and it was about to go before the bearings seized.
That’s because it is
Yep, direct evolutionary lineage back to the 1958 348. The metric fasteners are a nuisance, but otherwise some BBC parts fit. Cams, with the firing order reverted, so a cheap take-out 502 unit can work.
7:23...thought you were somewhere I couldn't see in my barn with that clean comment!!
On the rod studs scratching the crank, a smart old time engine builder I new 45 years ago gave me a trick that I have used ever since, you can take a couple of old clean rod bearings and place them on the journals out 90 deg to protect the crank surface. Lots of guys use rubber hoses slipped on but I have seen threads of rubber and silicone in the threads of engines I have pulled down so I like the old bearing method. P.S. I need some 1990 Toyota 4Runner parts for interior and some 2000 tacoma under hood parts for my 3.4 swap that I have going, it's missing some evap goodies. Anyway, love your channel!!!! P.S.S. find an old Chrysler Slant Six to pull down, that would be a fun one, man we drove the crap out of those things back in the day. Guys did test running them without oil for days. Crazy. Reg
Not pertaining to the tear down, but these motors were pretty heavily electronically limited. Many years ago I ran some tuning software to log data on a friends 8.1 Avalanche. At WOT at the pedal, torque management only had the throttle blade at like 60%.
Yet another reason to go back to cable throttles.
Thats because the gas pedal
Is a torque request meter, the throttle body is oversized to minimize pumping losses and increase efficiency, you open that up 100% and that engine will lean right out and melt itself
@@macthemec Ye I don't 'request' a damn thing from my engine. I demand it. I floor the pedal I damn well better be getting wide open throttle, and I damn well better be getting it right fucking now.
Part of why I like carbs so much. They just obey. They don't spend half a second 'confirming valid input' like TBW EFI does, they dont wait half an eon for the O2 sensors and MAF sensor to register increased airflow before increasing fuel flow like cable throttle'd EFI tends to do...nah they just dump air and fuel down the engine's throat right then and there. Carbs just do what they are told when they are told to do it. 👌 way it should be. Machine follows orders. No thinking, debating, confirming, waiting, just following orders.
Likely this is why the throttle response on my 85 F150's 300 six is so much crisper than every vehicle I've ever driven younger than it is. Carter YF dont wait around, I lay into it it just adds air and fuel to the engine. That 300 reacts to a sudden pedal stomp so fast its already building revs before the pedal is even on the floor. Every EFI vehicle I've ever driven has between a quarter and half second of lag there.
I also dont buy the whole 'it would go lean and melt if it truly went wide open' nonsense. The injectors will flow plenty of fuel to match the airflow.
@@macthemecThe 8.1 actually has an undersized throttle body to restrict air and keep it from revving too high.
The engine is turned down in the burbs and yukons so it wont destroy the 4L85 transmission. The truck variants use an Allison transmission so they aren't tuned down as much but they still only have like 10 lb/ft more torque. These engines are built for work (mine tows a 8k lb trailer daily) but they don't like when you try to get more power from them. The pistons are like glass and tend to break into pieces if you start increasing hp or torque.
Lovin' the BBC content, guy ;-)
Those 502s are monsters, love em!!!
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I really enjoy your videos. I was doing a lot of the same things I've watched you do, just 50 years ago. To my point when you have a rust stuck engine spray it with either muriatic or hydrochloric acid in a well ventilated area. Wait time will very due to rust severity, but it will break it loose. Flush with water to neutralize the acid. never had one I couldn't beat. I hope you'll give it a try.
How many cam journals are you going to add in editing when pulling the cam? Lmao
It was a V16 cam. 😉🤣
hahaha the way you edited the part where you're pulling out the cam. i didn't know gm made an 8.1 v12
that exhaust valve colour takes me back to my engine repairing days long ago.
Love it, old school iron! Well done
My guess is that someone drained the oil and then left for the day. Next morning someone moved the vehicle because they didn’t know the oil was drained. All the damage was done at idle, which is why the rod bearings didn’t show the same damage.