Terrifying Plane crash at Atlanta Airshow! (2016) Real atc

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  • On May 14, 2016, about 1647 eastern daylight time, an experimental amateur-built Pitts S-2SW, N24CD, collided with terrain during an aerial display at DeKalb-Peachtree Airport (PDK), Atlanta, Georgia. The commercial pilot was fatally injured. The airplane was destroyed by impact forces and a postcrash fire. The airplane was registered to a corporation and was operated by the pilot under the provisions of Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 91 as an air show flight. Day, visual meteorological conditions prevailed at the time of the accident, and no flight plan was filed. The local flight originated from PDK about 1642.
    Probable Cause and Findings
    The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident to be:
    The pilot's failure to maintain proper positioning during performance of an aerobatic maneuver and his subsequent failure to discontinue maneuvering when unable to reestablish proper positioning during a steep descent toward the ground
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Komentáře • 287

  • @CassassinCatto
    @CassassinCatto Před 29 dny +36

    Very professionally handled by the Airboss who kept his cool during this tragedy. Requiescat in Pace Greg.

  • @chadpm11
    @chadpm11 Před měsícem +46

    He lived down the road from my other house, he always flew the river for practice, and he always enjoyed watching him.

  • @TheGeorgiaRover
    @TheGeorgiaRover Před 29 dny +21

    I got photos of Greg doing his last pre-flight. After that, I hopped in my car to head home. A few minutes later word of the crash hit the local radio news. Feels eerie to look at those photos. There one minute, gone the next.

  • @mgreenesco9955
    @mgreenesco9955 Před měsícem +212

    What's with all the hate here? This was probably one of the worst days of these guys lives and you're all keyboard warriors pointing out minor things and bad mouthing everything. These guys probably all knew the pilot and had a million things going through their heads while still trying to coordinate everything. RIP

    • @ScottPankhurst
      @ScottPankhurst Před měsícem +4

      might have something to do with the fact that there's no video, just an audio recording?

    • @bobsullivan5714
      @bobsullivan5714 Před měsícem +6

      It's a CZcams tradition.....

    • @3120DownForce
      @3120DownForce Před měsícem +12

      Mgreen... I see zero hate here. Perhaps you're overly sensitive and complain about others.

    • @GorillaCrewWarGaming
      @GorillaCrewWarGaming Před měsícem +1

      What the hell are you talking about, Pythagoras?

    • @redbird444
      @redbird444 Před měsícem +1

      There’s a contingent of Dan Gryder haters. They tend to flower every few weeks, before rotting away, only to regrow. What ‘ya gonna do?

  • @flymachine
    @flymachine Před měsícem +63

    I’ve witnessed two airshow crashes, it’s the silent lull for 20-45 minutes after a crash that is the most traumatic as an aviator airshow spectator, you know the frequencies are frantic but from our end it’s dead and quiet and you just know there’s loss of life. RIP

    • @robertd7073
      @robertd7073 Před měsícem +2

      Never forget when a 4 ship, became a 2 ship. Then, At my hometown airshow on saturday, the 2 ship became a 1 ship.....that 1 ship put a hell of performance on Sunday.....(he lost his 3 buddies but flew a single ship like a champ for the Sunday show) blue Angel's cancelled saturday but everyone got back in for free sunday

    • @bradsanders407
      @bradsanders407 Před měsícem +1

      ​@robertd7073 huh? "5 sHiP gOT 5 pOoPpiE iN mE pAnTs" Whats the point of replying or commenting if no one knows what the hell you are talking about. This isn't Twitter. You have plenty of characters allowance to do better.

    • @robertd7073
      @robertd7073 Před měsícem +1

      @@bradsanders407 WHY YOU CRYING OVER A CRASH WOMAN? I DONT HAVE A TWITTER YOUNG LADY....

    • @robertd7073
      @robertd7073 Před měsícem

      @@bradsanders407 BRAD, I BET YOUR MOM NEW YOU WERE A WOKE MARINETHE DAY YOU WERE BORN.... THAT WHY SHE NAMD YOU BRAD

    • @robertd7073
      @robertd7073 Před měsícem +1

      @@bradsanders407 YOU DONT KNOW WHAT A 2 SHIP IS AT AN AIRSHOW? DID UNCLE SAM PAY FOR YOUR COLLEGE AT RONALD MCDONALDS COLLEGE?

  • @christopherfriedberg6597
    @christopherfriedberg6597 Před měsícem +11

    I thought I saw a moment of elevator flutter and a moment of attempted pitch control before an out of control impact to ground at high speed. Most unfortunate. My sympathies and condolences to everyone.

  • @hotrodhomefree
    @hotrodhomefree Před 12 dny +1

    Gary Ward is my cousin and I remember this tragedy well. I met Greg Connell one time when I went to see them perform in Augusta. Gary introduced me to him. Greg was a nice guy and Gary loved him like a brother. Gary Ward has recently retired from doing airshows and enjoys flying his Robinson 44 helicopter. RIP Greg Connell...

  • @bruceinoregon8163
    @bruceinoregon8163 Před měsícem +3

    I lived real close to that airport for 12 years and went to a couple of the airshows there. I never witnessed an incident, but did hear of them over those years. A bunch of adventurous, kind of crazy souls sharing their love for their planes and for aviation in general. It can be a little dangerous sometimes, but the love far outweighs any little fears there might be.

    • @Jgasporrap
      @Jgasporrap Před 17 dny

      I grew up just a couples miles from El Toro Marine Base and the planes, the late night afterburner and the airshows were so routine. You know there could be a crash any time. I'm amazed there weren't more

  • @billmadison2032
    @billmadison2032 Před 29 dny +4

    By Everybody's reactions you can tell that pilot was well loved and respected

  • @Raceb8420
    @Raceb8420 Před 24 dny +8

    Was that Dan Gryder in the DC-3? Sounded like him.

  • @BrianWMay
    @BrianWMay Před 4 dny +1

    The Airboss impressed me with his cool. Sort of voice I would want to hear if I had a problem.

  • @tayzer22
    @tayzer22 Před měsícem +9

    The DC-3 pilot sounds like Dan Gryder, and that's the type he flies.

  • @TheGecko213
    @TheGecko213 Před měsícem +1

    I just watched the Blue Angels and the F22 Raptor at the Sanford Airshow along with a daring small Pitt Performance by Mike Guillen
    Absolutely flawless performances ❤

    • @DQQ167
      @DQQ167 Před 29 dny +1

      Mike is the best my favorite pilot

    • @redfalco21
      @redfalco21 Před 28 dny +1

      Michael Goulian flies an Extra, not a Pitts.

  • @williamsaldanah3554
    @williamsaldanah3554 Před měsícem +21

    So tragic, God rest him

  • @sop2510
    @sop2510 Před 3 dny

    You would think an activity that relies so much on communication would have clearer and more formal communication protocols.

  • @rachaelplant2504
    @rachaelplant2504 Před měsícem +1

    such a professional air bos, very sad Blue sky's Greg.

  • @czflyer3947
    @czflyer3947 Před 6 dny

    Got to meet Gary in 2018. Nice guy

  • @marcston
    @marcston Před měsícem +4

    Another horrible crash sad.

  • @maxneu6793
    @maxneu6793 Před měsícem +71

    Pretty sure that DC-3 was Dan Gryder

    • @RetreadPhoto
      @RetreadPhoto Před měsícem +44

      Sounded like it, unfortunately. I’d rather listen to nails across a chalk board, or a toothing baby cry all night.

    • @OhMySack
      @OhMySack Před měsícem +9

      ​@@RetreadPhoto That dude's become as popular as a rug burn! 😅

    • @mikebarillari2202
      @mikebarillari2202 Před měsícem +21

      I look forward to not watching his video about it

    • @danevannett3804
      @danevannett3804 Před měsícem +3

      Since this was 2016 I doubt he'll be doing a video about it.​@mikebarillari2202

    • @RetreadPhoto
      @RetreadPhoto Před měsícem +19

      @@OhMySack I only needed to watch two or three of his videos to know he’s not worth wasting my time on, ditto for any of his sycophant hometown fans, who clearly can barely spell aviation.

  • @eliseo3500
    @eliseo3500 Před měsícem +3

    😢 so heart breaking

  • @thomasgriffith7364
    @thomasgriffith7364 Před měsícem +6

    Sad…

  • @paddedroom412
    @paddedroom412 Před měsícem +5

    Ooooh the elusive 380 degree wind. 5:36 . Its a bummer. I got to see these guys shortly before the accident.

    • @thedakotahurley
      @thedakotahurley Před měsícem +3

      I laughed at that too. Is that code for 020? Lol

  • @scottjuhnke6825
    @scottjuhnke6825 Před měsícem +4

    Could someone please help me understand what Prestige 1, 2, and 3 were doing? Sounded like they took off, and either landed, and took off again, or were doing touch, and go's.

    • @LoudRC
      @LoudRC Před měsícem +6

      Helicopter pleasure flights

    • @andrewberg9611
      @andrewberg9611 Před 29 dny +2

      Prestige helicopters does helicopter instruction and tour flights. They were probably doing tour flights that day. Prestige 1 was actually my instructor there. They take off directly off the apron near 16, a little ways away from the accident runway

    • @scottjuhnke6825
      @scottjuhnke6825 Před 29 dny +1

      Thank you, both!

  • @AuditRecon
    @AuditRecon Před měsícem +2

    Lived in the Doraville-Chamblee area for most of my life since 1961. PDK is my backyard & I hate to see this happen. Prayers for the family.

  • @dburton7929
    @dburton7929 Před 28 dny +1

    Plenty of hate here….. how sad.

  • @thatguy7085
    @thatguy7085 Před měsícem +2

    I was right where this was being filmed from in the Epps hangar.

  • @Jgasporrap
    @Jgasporrap Před měsícem +3

    Sad, I hate hearing when these guys crash. They are experienced but we all can have a bad day.

    • @harpoon_bakery162
      @harpoon_bakery162 Před 17 dny

      at 00:15 a horrible screaming by a women, sheer terror type of scream

    • @Jgasporrap
      @Jgasporrap Před 17 dny

      Yeah such a shame.

    • @harpoon_bakery162
      @harpoon_bakery162 Před 17 dny

      @@Jgasporrap yea, I'm pretty sure it was the lady in the black dress with the black cast on her leg at 00:22 that was screaming just a few moments earlier,. but maybe not, you just have to rush to the scene to see if everyone's ok, it's a helpless feeling. I feel so sorry for them all. RIP Greg and Godspeed to the family and any relatives that witnessed this. I can remember Jane the wingwalker going down and it was bad bad. I've been to a number of airshows and it's just so bad when a plane goes down. It leaves an empty feeling for all involved and the brave souls that fly the aerobatics.

  • @LazloNQ
    @LazloNQ Před měsícem

    That scream.....

  • @georgiaconservative3253
    @georgiaconservative3253 Před měsícem +7

    Is that Dan Gryder in the Dc3?

  • @user-vu8nt7tx3z
    @user-vu8nt7tx3z Před měsícem +2

    DC 3 is Dan Greider.

  • @Cancel_
    @Cancel_ Před 26 dny

    im only 30 minutes or so from this airport and didnt hear about this. This is news to me and is sad. Anyone know how this ocured or no one knows the ''error'' that led to this?

    • @Gwydion_Wolf
      @Gwydion_Wolf Před 26 dny

      My only guess would be he came out of his 'spiral dive' late, and couldn't pull up in time. The aircraft that crashed was 'diving down' while rotating (doing barrel-rolls strait down essentially), when he leveled off to pull up, he was possibly to low to successfully make that pull-up.

  • @thatguy7085
    @thatguy7085 Před měsícem +4

    Prestige is a helicopter tour operator…

    • @lindaschad9734
      @lindaschad9734 Před měsícem +2

      Thanks for clarifying that.

    • @thatguy7085
      @thatguy7085 Před měsícem +4

      @@lindaschad9734 yes, rides during a show is no longer permitted. They think it is a factor in the B17 / P63 crash in Texas.

  • @belliott538
    @belliott538 Před 12 dny

    Sounds like Dan Gryder in the DC-3…

  • @mikebiron7339
    @mikebiron7339 Před 29 dny

    Is that DC3 Dan Gryder? Sure sounds like him. Probable Cause!

  • @geekfreak618
    @geekfreak618 Před 29 dny +2

    Just don't kill innocents. Way too many aircraft-related disasters lately that didn't need to be.

  • @jeffnash9333
    @jeffnash9333 Před 15 dny

    RIP..... its always sad to see/hear of these things.
    It would be nice if we knew what really happened with this one, but like the majority of NTSB findings, it's always some possibility of someones opinion. So naturally it had to "most likely" be the pilots fault.
    I'm sorry for the loss.
    God be with all of us who play in the skys....

  • @grandcrappy
    @grandcrappy Před měsícem +2

    The law of averages is a thang.

  • @DownsouthMan
    @DownsouthMan Před měsícem +13

    Whoever posted this, this accident happened in May of 2016.

  • @DownsouthMan
    @DownsouthMan Před měsícem +2

    What was the pilots name?

  • @user-fo4rs8xd1r
    @user-fo4rs8xd1r Před měsícem +50

    As a retired ATC. I’ve been present at several shows where the airspace is released to an air boss. These guys are the worst. Poor phraseology and bad judgement

    • @Flight_Follower
      @Flight_Follower  Před měsícem +7

      I like how they call the pilots by their names

    • @davidsakal449
      @davidsakal449 Před měsícem +7

      Same here. Airshow turned over to air boss at Selfridge. Air boss froze when a T-33 crashed.

    • @Ndub1036
      @Ndub1036 Před měsícem

      Air shows are a recipe for disaster from the get go

    • @AvgDude
      @AvgDude Před měsícem +16

      We had a clown of an air boss cause a midair at Dallas Executive a couple of years back.

    • @BillSmith-rx9rm
      @BillSmith-rx9rm Před měsícem +6

      As a non-pilot and non-ATC, flight simulator and viewer of these videos only, I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought that the language of the air boss was on the loosey-goosey side. Thought it was just my lack of knowledge.

  • @harpoon_bakery162
    @harpoon_bakery162 Před 17 dny

    Misty Blue DC-3 was lining up for a landing 10 minutes after the crash, but What did Misty Blue mean by saying "Just want to confirm we are not dropping" Airboss, "No you're not dropping"

    • @MaddogCapt11
      @MaddogCapt11 Před 14 dny

      He had skydivers on onboard if that is what your were asking.

    • @harpoon_bakery162
      @harpoon_bakery162 Před 14 dny

      @@MaddogCapt11 yes, that's it. thanks maddog. that's crazy too because he was almost diverted to another airport, but how you take a DC-3 to another airport unannounced is beyond me (with skydivers!!!!)

    • @jimchandler6744
      @jimchandler6744 Před 2 dny

      @@harpoon_bakery162 You take them to another airport just like any other aircraft. They do not have to be announces since they are not dropping at the alternate. You just go over, call the tower, if there is one, announce on unicom if there isn't, land, taxi to parking, shut down and wait. Simple as that. The skydivers become passengers at that point. I'm a skydiver, commercial multi-engine and jump pilot. Fortunately, never had to divert for this sort of thing.

    • @dabneyoffermein595
      @dabneyoffermein595 Před 2 dny

      @@jimchandler6744 Ah, ok, seems pretty straightforward unless low-fuel is the issue. Thanks for input. Makes complete sense.

  • @davidfederspiel431
    @davidfederspiel431 Před měsícem

    I was at the Niagara Falls air show in the late 80s when 2 Thunderbirds or another group jets collided doing a loop, terrible

  • @artyfuffkin7805
    @artyfuffkin7805 Před 14 dny

    Those hiper.B plane guys live on the edge ,the Oracle plane from here crashed

  • @thomasclark8086
    @thomasclark8086 Před měsícem +1

    🙏🙏

  • @PhantomMark
    @PhantomMark Před 29 dny +10

    Why is there literally always a screaming woman in the background of anything dramatic ?? RIP to that Pilot :(

  • @akathecops
    @akathecops Před 29 dny +1

    This air boss was the voice of reason and as a cop we appreciate a calm steady voice when our asses are on the line. Rip.

  • @andgate2000
    @andgate2000 Před měsícem +5

    Flight plan...flight plan..flight plan. And stick to it. No ad lib.

  • @davidkoonz4336
    @davidkoonz4336 Před 29 dny +1

    The big blow up Gary Greg down ???"

  • @TroyRubert
    @TroyRubert Před měsícem +1

    Rip

  • @bobsullivan5714
    @bobsullivan5714 Před měsícem

    Another defective Hover-Module.

  • @1000kennedydk
    @1000kennedydk Před měsícem

    I see this occurred in 2016.........unfortunate.....8 years ago.

  • @justinberry3991
    @justinberry3991 Před měsícem

    I don't operating hours for aircraft controllers but that has to be one exhausting job lol

  • @ShockeWulf190
    @ShockeWulf190 Před 28 dny +1

    As someone with an aerobatic pilot intention.. this is TERRIFYING to see

  • @toddkallenbach3904
    @toddkallenbach3904 Před měsícem +7

    and this is why I never go to airshows....too many people crashing and dying

    • @skyecommander2169
      @skyecommander2169 Před měsícem +7

      Your comment makes no sense. It’s like saying you never go outside cuz you might get hit by a car. (The odds of which are prob much higher) The overwhelming vast majority of airshows go off without a hitch.

    • @toddkallenbach3904
      @toddkallenbach3904 Před měsícem

      @@skyecommander2169 you're an idiot

    • @saito125
      @saito125 Před měsícem +1

      I'm sure nobody missed you.

    • @toddkallenbach3904
      @toddkallenbach3904 Před měsícem

      @@saito125 except you

    • @robertjones8598
      @robertjones8598 Před měsícem

      Oh my. Scary.

  • @HalJikaKick
    @HalJikaKick Před 26 dny +1

    Always a screaming woman.

  • @Ndub1036
    @Ndub1036 Před měsícem +11

    Not sure why we are ever shocked when crashes happen at air shows. Low altitude = no outs.

  • @BostonBuzz
    @BostonBuzz Před měsícem +1

    Lotsa bla bla bla in the comments.......but no fukin explanation why the plane crashed.........

    • @MoGumboFukUTubeForChngngMyName
      @MoGumboFukUTubeForChngngMyName Před 26 dny

      Maybe you watch the video and read the captions. If that’s too much work for you, I’ll sum it up… airplane hit the ground.

  • @DustinKillyact
    @DustinKillyact Před 28 dny

    Ohh god
    .. usually how a porn begins and ends

  • @jimmyhaley727
    @jimmyhaley727 Před měsícem

    click

  • @mlassz009
    @mlassz009 Před 25 dny

    0:14 for a second there, I didn't think we would have a random screaming woman in the video...thank god I was proven wrong

  • @Gwydion_Wolf
    @Gwydion_Wolf Před 26 dny

    My only guess on this, is he came out of his spiral late, and couldn't pull up fast enough... :(
    Airshow pilots always risk their lives when they go up.. Sadly, its simply part of the role they play. They can plan for and have systems in place to keep everyone as safe as possible, but its still a dangerous thing to do.

  • @PatrickMcAlee
    @PatrickMcAlee Před 6 dny +1

    Get the picture of my plane off the cover of a crash video, at an airshow I was not a part of, right now or you'll ve hearing from my lawyer with a slander and defamation lawsuit. You have 6 hours from now to remove. We have also reported this to other authorities, including youtube. How dare you. What if my daughter saw this?

    • @Flight_Follower
      @Flight_Follower  Před 6 dny +1

      @PatrickMcAlee Sincere apologies
      We are changing the thumbnail right away

    • @PatrickMcAlee
      @PatrickMcAlee Před 3 dny

      @Alongfortheride693 one, I'm not your homey, two, when I fly airshows for a living, "fame" means much less to me then having a picture of my aircraft as a cover for an airshow crash video. Stay in your lane and do not comment over things outside your pay grade

    • @PatrickMcAlee
      @PatrickMcAlee Před 3 dny

      @Alongfortheride693 poor baby needs a "nice world" when people like the know better and common sense to refrain from using other people's content without approval. Yeah I won't be nice. And the actions been taken. Only a pussy pussyfoots around. So scroll on pussnboots

  • @Mkaythen
    @Mkaythen Před 27 dny +1

    Imagine taking a sick day off work to see something like this, just to end up being one of the bystanders who were killed during it.

  • @deanmason5827
    @deanmason5827 Před 24 dny

    Not to down play the lose of the pilot, is it not standard procedure to close the airport, take offs and landings both, it just brings unnecessary traffic and chatter.

  • @pgnandt
    @pgnandt Před 29 dny +2

    Why I don't like air shows.

  • @choppergirlghost
    @choppergirlghost Před měsícem +1

    He flew it right into the ground.
    This is how craters are made.

  • @klrgarden
    @klrgarden Před měsícem +10

    Can’t believe you are posting this from 8 years ago

    • @Flight_Follower
      @Flight_Follower  Před měsícem +14

      Well this is not a news channel sir.. we learn lessons from every crash whether its old or new

    • @letsroll404
      @letsroll404 Před měsícem +4

      @@Flight_Follower
      Glad you did...
      Thanks!

    • @MrTruckerf
      @MrTruckerf Před měsícem

      @@Flight_Follower True. Thank you.

  • @vg23air
    @vg23air Před měsícem +4

    watch the smoke, he bumps it down then up HARD, cause he sees the other guy is too low and he is trying to get under him, thats why he crashed, trying to miss the other guy that was out of place.

    • @btomas225
      @btomas225 Před měsícem +2

      Umm, maybe he was the guy that needed to fly over the "other guy", not under and he was out of position? The "other guy" said that he had to pull up to deconflict to avoid a collision.

    • @vg23air
      @vg23air Před měsícem +2

      @@btomas225 thats his story, the smoke indicates the survivor was not where he was expected to be

    • @billsmith5166
      @billsmith5166 Před měsícem +1

      I read the quote and smoke to illustrate that the Pitts was to pass above, but when the other pilot saw him going low he pulled up. Looks like he completed his roll too low. It would make sense that the Pitts would want to complete the maneuver above instead of below because the partner would have had eyes on and was level while approaching. It would have been much easier for him to deconflict.. and it looked like he would have if the Pitts had recovered.

    • @lindaschad9734
      @lindaschad9734 Před měsícem +1

      Kathryn's Report is cited by Flight Follower. Just click on it to get the final NTSB report. The Pitts pilot had a variety of over-the-counter medications on board, and it sounded like he might not have been feeling well.

    • @westfieldracer
      @westfieldracer Před 13 dny

      ​@@lindaschad9734he certainly didn't end up feeling any better, that's for sure 😊

  • @SLSAMG
    @SLSAMG Před 14 dny

    airshows... a pointless exercise for arrogant egomaniacs.

  • @wallywally8282
    @wallywally8282 Před měsícem +1

    Click bait old news! Spare us!

  • @josephroberts6865
    @josephroberts6865 Před měsícem +9

    Do you really need to post a crash from 8 years ago? This is not a recent news event. Don’t try to sell it as if it was.

    • @vg23air
      @vg23air Před měsícem +2

      news to me

    • @Flight_Follower
      @Flight_Follower  Před měsícem +15

      Well this is not a news channel.. we don’t broadcast breaking news..
      there are always lessons to be learnt from every crash whether its old or new..

    • @kountrygunz2032
      @kountrygunz2032 Před měsícem +8

      Description says 2016 first sentence. There's plenty of people that haven't seen this that could take something from it.

    • @Eoraph
      @Eoraph Před měsícem +2

      Wait... 2016 was EIGHT years ago?
      Damn, i'm getting old.

    • @Symptomless_Coma_
      @Symptomless_Coma_ Před měsícem +1

      Get back to Cartoon Network News.

  • @mlp8860
    @mlp8860 Před 29 dny

    In 2024 we do not need airshows. Everyone knows what a plane looks like. Airshows are dumb. Too many stupid fatalities.

  • @redneckhippiefreak
    @redneckhippiefreak Před měsícem +1

    It looks to me as if the elevator cable broke. You can see the smoke trail bending as the aileron surfaces are interacting with it..The trajectory just didn't change.

    • @daveself6386
      @daveself6386 Před měsícem +2

      I've worked on this aircraft before the crash, the elevator was a push pull tube not cable. The only cables on this plane were for the rudder. He was in an accelerated stall before the crash

  • @nicholasjackson3854
    @nicholasjackson3854 Před 29 dny

    I think it was Greg Connels crash maybe . I know he crashed in Atlanta . Augusta , Ga. Native .

  • @tonyjackson4099
    @tonyjackson4099 Před 4 dny

    Clickbait bullshit

  • @thatguy7085
    @thatguy7085 Před měsícem

    I was right where this was being filmed from in the Epps hangar.