Worried about Buying a "Fake" HDMI 2.1 TV? Here's How to Avoid Getting Ripped Off.

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  • čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
  • Recently, many tech websites have started reporting on the possibility of "fake" HDMI 2.1 TVs or monitors, triggered by TFTCentral's investigation into a Xiaomi monitor marketed with HDMI 2.1 ports without FRL (Fixed Rate Link) support:
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    We reached out to HDMI Licensing Administrator (HDMI LA) for clarification, and also give some tips on how to avoid getting ripped off when buying an HDMI 2.1 TV or monitor.
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Komentáře • 384

  • @gb3496
    @gb3496 Před 2 lety +165

    This is pathetic.... Once again the industry is protecting manufacturers over consumers.....

    • @BleedForTheWorld
      @BleedForTheWorld Před 2 lety +15

      Capitalism + profit motive

    • @RobertK1993
      @RobertK1993 Před 2 lety +2

      LG first HDMI 2.1 TVs are buggy mess unlike Sony Bravia and Samsung QLED

    • @transfo47
      @transfo47 Před 2 lety +1

      @@BleedForTheWorld Facts.

    • @johangrannas4837
      @johangrannas4837 Před 2 lety +1

      "The industry" cant keep control over anything beeing sold on Wish and alikes.. so the consumer needs to use his kidneys and do research before buying. Like allways. You may ask for $100 for a dog turd, its just up to the buyer to know its real value.

    • @SuperSnakePlissken
      @SuperSnakePlissken Před 2 lety +4

      @@BleedForTheWorld Don't blame the very thing that brought most of the world out of poverty for the wickedness for a small few. Capitalism is the greatest ideology outside of Christianity the world has ever known.

  • @latienlaurent
    @latienlaurent Před 2 lety +69

    I feel that the certification is crooked, it’s deceptive at best and malicious at worst.

  • @ragtop63
    @ragtop63 Před 2 lety +18

    This seems like a perfect opportunity for someone to create a public database of displays that support actual HDMI 2.1 features vs displays that "cheat" there way into that certification.

  • @NoName-ng1wc
    @NoName-ng1wc Před 2 lety +17

    "And we haven't shied away from calling out TVs which failed to resolve full 4K 120Hz resolution. Because of our honesty, and integrity some manufacturers prefer not to send us review samples, so if you don't see us reviewing a particularly popular tv, that's probably an ominous sign in itself."
    VIZIO we're looking at you.

  • @budthecyborg4575
    @budthecyborg4575 Před 2 lety +88

    On the bright side, if the entire review community takes this as the turning point to start naming all display connections by bandwidth then we might start getting more full 48Gbps displays since it is now compulsory to state bandwidth as the primary identifier.

    • @Logical
      @Logical Před 2 lety +9

      On the bribe side...

    • @AlleyKatPr0
      @AlleyKatPr0 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Logical I actually was thinking the same thing :)

    • @Kurto2021
      @Kurto2021 Před 2 lety

      @@Android-ng1wn I have a C9 and I get dolby vision

  • @balaam_7087
    @balaam_7087 Před 2 lety +32

    The toll ought to be heavy for these companies and the executives trying to mislead consumers. Force them to play games @720p, with an unlocked framerate hovering around 20fps, with screen tearing and bad frame pacing. Let the punishment fit the crime.

  • @BryantAvant
    @BryantAvant Před 2 lety +19

    Vincent, I install people's TV's and home theaters as part of my technology business. This is a big deal because I have to know the actual specs of devices and components in order to give my clients what I promised them. I need help from CZcamsrs like you to get these manufacturer's acts together. What they're doing is completely unprofessional.

    • @PSYCHOV3N0M
      @PSYCHOV3N0M Před 2 lety +1

      Don't hold your breath.
      The best thing YOU can do is keep staying up to date on all TV's and their hardware features.
      The industry does stupid things like this all the time. Nothing new.
      Marketing 101: "Perception is greater than reality."

  • @Kieranh778
    @Kieranh778 Před 2 lety +80

    Thanks for spreading awareness about these kinds of BS. Good advise too.. for all products, these days. Ignore the marketing bull terminology and find the specs/features you are looking for.

    • @joebiggs4387
      @joebiggs4387 Před 2 lety

      Great point! It’s always a good idea to do at least several days of research before making a purchase. Especially a large purchase.

    • @StrangerHappened
      @StrangerHappened Před 2 lety +5

      But even then the claims can be fake, as Vincent said in the video. It only makes sense to buy monitors/TVs with tested features.

    • @AlleyKatPr0
      @AlleyKatPr0 Před 2 lety +1

      @@joebiggs4387 And if HDMI LA had done their job properly in 2017, WE WOULD NOT NEED TO DO THIS!!!!!!!! Surely you can see that?

  • @adriankoch964
    @adriankoch964 Před 2 lety +74

    This will cause so much damage to the HDMI brand...
    Thank you so much for digging into this subject. I hope the industry will not push back too hard on you. But it's just one more reason to just filter the pool of TVs to consider to purchase to ones tested by reputable reviewers like you.

    • @Zsolt_
      @Zsolt_ Před 2 lety +2

      No, they don't care. There is no alternative. It is not a brand, it is a monopolic tech solution.

    • @HigherQualityUploads
      @HigherQualityUploads Před 2 lety +5

      Oh well. DisplayPort has always been better anyways.

    • @DragonboltBlastter
      @DragonboltBlastter Před 2 lety +4

      Guess who is going to switvh to Display port?

    • @Zsolt_
      @Zsolt_ Před 2 lety

      @@DragonboltBlastter only those who has display port supporting stuff. 😜
      Most equipments will still have hdmi only.

  • @shmookins
    @shmookins Před 2 lety +28

    There should be a lawsuit over this to put those deliberately confusing people in their place.

    • @AlleyKatPr0
      @AlleyKatPr0 Před 2 lety +4

      Or, just have governments forbid them from doing this.

    • @lucifersevenelevenmorningstar
      @lucifersevenelevenmorningstar Před 2 lety

      @@AlleyKatPr0 hahahahhahahha lmao that's a good one, forbid the governments

    • @AlleyKatPr0
      @AlleyKatPr0 Před 2 lety

      @@lucifersevenelevenmorningstar Read what I wrote again :)

    • @lucifersevenelevenmorningstar
      @lucifersevenelevenmorningstar Před 2 lety

      @@AlleyKatPr0 cute, government don't give a shit if it's not about money.

    • @AlleyKatPr0
      @AlleyKatPr0 Před 2 lety

      @@lucifersevenelevenmorningstar Everything is about money, except money. Money is about power. Those who wield it have the power to control its value.

  • @campos3452
    @campos3452 Před 2 lety +34

    This was done for suspicious reasons. No way HDMI LA is that incompetent.

    • @you2be839
      @you2be839 Před 2 lety +8

      My guestimate is that it's either to help sell overstock of HDMI 2.0 displays and SoCs gaining dust on the shelves that would otherwise be difficult to sell to wary consumers knowing that HDMI 2.1 TVs and monitors are already out there or... to sell current HDMI 2.0 display and SoC technology at higher prices in "renewed" products that can now be certified as "HDMI 2.1".
      My conclusion: it's probably both.
      My final verdict on the subject: don't buy an "HDMI 2.1" product that doesn't clearly list its HDMI 2.1 features and/or that hasn't been reviewed by someone reputable for any possible issues, HDMI 2.1 related or not.

    • @scarletspidernz
      @scarletspidernz Před 2 lety

      @@you2be839 yup and probably $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ from companies

    • @AlleyKatPr0
      @AlleyKatPr0 Před 2 lety +1

      No, I think it probably comes down to laziness and competition from other port standards, like Displayport and USB.
      They just didn't care.

  • @shmookins
    @shmookins Před 2 lety +24

    This is disappointing. If something is marketed as having a 2.1, then it obviously need to cover all that specification under 2.1.

    • @apollosungod2819
      @apollosungod2819 Před 2 lety

      Just remember that videogame system game software is STILL going to require the dev team an average of 8 months to one year to two years plus depending on what type of game software it is, if it's a sequel with a newer engine, a sequel with a NEW custom coded engine or if it's an original new ip and custom engine.
      That means you can't trust certain overrated and over hyped 3d engine...
      Because programmers are still humans and they differ on budget, effort and performance.
      If you didn't understand that..., eventually we will be seeing games that do not use any legacy code and might fully utilize the new checklist features... but even so, don't expect all the "gamers" to bother having the proper HDTVs.

    • @ShadowLady1
      @ShadowLady1 Před 2 lety +10

      @@apollosungod2819 you have no idea what you're talking about lol

    • @AlleyKatPr0
      @AlleyKatPr0 Před 2 lety

      100% agree.

    • @shmookins
      @shmookins Před 2 lety +3

      @@AlleyKatPr0 On the oposite side, look at what the WiFi organization is going which is great: they simplified the names of each generation of wifi to a number (now at wifi 6, and before at wifi 5). And guess what, you really need to have wifi 6 features to be called that. Crazy huh?!

    • @PSYCHOV3N0M
      @PSYCHOV3N0M Před 2 lety

      @@shmookins Same goes for Wi-Fi 6E which is the latest standard.

  • @carlospr2816
    @carlospr2816 Před 2 lety +2

    From the UK with a Red Bull F1 cap. You're a brave man, Vincent 🤣🤣🤣

  • @realevostevo
    @realevostevo Před 2 lety +19

    While not the same thing, this reminds me of the first time I went to purchase a 480p tv back in 2004. Clearly labeled as 480p output, but when I got home and hooked it up all I could get to output were interlaced signals. Upon looking through the manual, it turned out the store had mislabeled the tv (presumingly because it had component output) and it was only capable of displaying interlaced signals. It was sharper looking with component but I still returned the tv.

    • @joebiggs4387
      @joebiggs4387 Před 2 lety +3

      I would have too. That’s not what you expected when you purchased it. 🤙🏼

    • @conchobar
      @conchobar Před 2 lety +1

      This is what consumers will face regarding HDMI features moving forward.

  • @catbertz
    @catbertz Před 2 lety +18

    Thanks for the video attempting to clear up the INTENTIONALLY created confusion. HDMI group is so sleazy.

  • @evolv.e
    @evolv.e Před 2 lety +2

    Great research Vincent. Thank you for all of your hard work. Wish I could like this video twice.

  • @BullCraftMaxx
    @BullCraftMaxx Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks HDTV Test for making this video

  • @nickice7009
    @nickice7009 Před 2 lety +2

    Thank you for the information about this topic.

  • @grantpaterson1016
    @grantpaterson1016 Před 2 lety +11

    It seems so obvious that the body regulating this have been threatened with funding. There is ZERO reason for this from a consumer point of view (it actually goes against the very principal they give for existing) and can ONLY help companies wishing to manipulate the value of their products and to use 'sparkly marketing' to blind people to what is missing.

    • @AlleyKatPr0
      @AlleyKatPr0 Před 2 lety +1

      Which is why Vincent needs to talk to them, and not the monkeys - we need the organ grinder.

    • @lePoMo
      @lePoMo Před 2 lety

      there are reasons for this other than deceiving customers. But deceiving customers is what it will be used for.
      reason simplified example: you create a very small 1080p tv but want it to have VRR. Even though consumers would prefer it be specified as HDMI 2.0 + VRR, the only specifiation that defines VRR is HDMI 2.1.
      The only solution would be to do individual small specifications. One spec that only covers VRR, etc for each individual feature.

    • @AlleyKatPr0
      @AlleyKatPr0 Před 2 lety +1

      @@lePoMo Or, you LOCK OUT these features and combine them into one specification, and FORCE/ENFORCE/REGULATE chipset manufacturers (not tv manufacturers) from creating chipset interfaces unless ALL of the ENTIRE specification is enabled for the chipset.
      HDMI 2.1 is a mess of a specification, and never should have been introduced in the state it is - and is clearly a failing of the HDMI LA.

    • @lePoMo
      @lePoMo Před 2 lety +2

      @@AlleyKatPr0 I'm also frustrated with this. It is not only HDMI 2.1 that is a mess, HDMI in its entirety is, and so is DisplayPort, and so is video standards in general.
      With the advent of digital, they should have started from a clean slate, but instead they do analog concepts just digitally transmitted. TV levels, Interlacing, telecine, horizontal and vertical sync (why not just transmit an image), etc.
      But I'm getting offtopic :p.
      Forcing chip manufacturers would not solve it either, tv manufacturers could still use panels/drivers/backlights/whatever else components are used, that don't support what the chip can deliver.
      to get back offtopic:
      I watch content on my (high end) pc. Standards are such a mess that it took a year for AMD to fix a but that prevented me using HDR at 4k 60Hz 4:4:4 10bit. And now that I switched from AMD to Nvidia, I can no longer set my screen to 24Hz (nor 50Hz).
      I deep dove into CRU, a utility to change the EDID (what the screen signals it can support to the graphics card), and it is an utter mess how crazy and complex the EDID information is constructed. No wonder there are such problems like mine or like HDMI 2.1 receivers with VRR. The standard is an utter mess, and devices have to guess/add workarounds for what the other device means.
      Also tv levels ! that is the "blacker than black" thing. for historic reasons, analog wasn't reliable for extreme values, so TV Levels means: "assume that everything below 16 is black" (and same for white). That sould have died with digital. Instead it is still part of video content, so for example netflix and prime video on pc shows wrong because their players must lack a conversion or they're authoring the content wrong.

    • @MoireFly
      @MoireFly Před 2 lety

      @@lePoMo HDMI 2.0 + VRR would have been the obvious way to market that - have a catch all name for a set of features, and let people add extra ones. Instead, we have the requirement that there is some overlap with HDMI 2.1 features; which is useless.

  • @No_Mikey_No
    @No_Mikey_No Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you very much for this video, keep up the great and wonderful work!

  • @David25522
    @David25522 Před 2 lety

    Great job as always Vincent!
    Thank you!

  • @bryanskrantz
    @bryanskrantz Před 2 lety +9

    So basically they're passing the buck to the consumer. OF COURSE THEY WOULD! The average person won't know the difference.

  • @spasecookee
    @spasecookee Před 2 lety +3

    Keep up the good work, sir!

  • @MyGadgetsWorld
    @MyGadgetsWorld Před 2 lety +1

    Nice made this as well. Good to see you are inforcing the same.

  • @racatoast
    @racatoast Před 2 lety

    Excellent video again. Clear, salient information 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

  • @debragines4897
    @debragines4897 Před 2 lety

    Excellent review!! Thank you very much. 🤗

  • @KnarfMetmohn
    @KnarfMetmohn Před 2 lety +7

    It’s the same with the USB Standard. Just the Label 3.x means nothing.
    By the way, Panasonic did it the other way around. Although they integrated eARC and ALLM in their GZ2000 they still marketed it as 2.0

    • @AlleyKatPr0
      @AlleyKatPr0 Před 2 lety +2

      ...because Panasonic are awesome people.

    • @campersruincod6134
      @campersruincod6134 Před 2 lety

      @@AlleyKatPr0 this

    • @Quast
      @Quast Před 2 lety

      USB is a lamb compared to this kind of feature set clusterfuck...

  • @artofwar420
    @artofwar420 Před 2 lety

    Thank you for the excellent reporting.

  • @GreenBlueWalkthrough
    @GreenBlueWalkthrough Před 2 lety

    Thanks for what you guys do! I really apecate you honesty and intergity!

  • @johnscurich6446
    @johnscurich6446 Před rokem

    Very informative video. Thank you!

  • @bikemmm6167
    @bikemmm6167 Před 2 lety +1

    Great video , thanks

  • @ZombieBrainism
    @ZombieBrainism Před 2 lety

    Vincent seeing the future, always enjoy your videos and puns

  • @noname1st139
    @noname1st139 Před 2 lety +2

    Similar thing with the TV companies telling us we needed a expensive HDMI lead for HD or digital aerial for digital channels

  • @richardrussell7082
    @richardrussell7082 Před 2 lety +5

    So the onus is on us the consumer to get ripped off, report it to the HDMI LA and then they will have a quiet word, behind the scenes, with the manufacturer and between them they will 'sort it out' 😉

  • @joshuacastle8701
    @joshuacastle8701 Před 2 lety

    I’m so glad I found you and subscribed to you

  • @TRGshooter
    @TRGshooter Před 2 lety +1

    Love this. Its like Vincent is calling out the Sony X900H fiasco without actually saying : "Sony" but we all know what he means...

  • @mobbman1
    @mobbman1 Před 2 lety +8

    Changing and getting rid of hdmi 2.0 is ridiculous. And we know that companies arnt going to list the features that are compliant with 2.1.

    • @Quast
      @Quast Před 2 lety

      Dunno how hard it is to get info on features that TVs support... but I sometimes already having a hard time when getting the model pdf an gaining info from that intended informational pamphlet... >:(

    • @mobbman1
      @mobbman1 Před 2 lety

      @@Quast Online PDF that I've looked for on my needs have been easy to get.

    • @Quast
      @Quast Před 2 lety

      @@mobbman1 It's more of the detail contained in the pdfs, some manufacturers really seem to drop the ball.... of course always kinda dependant on consumer tier, sometimes they really don't want you to be in the clear especially with less expensive tech it seems :/

    • @mobbman1
      @mobbman1 Před 2 lety

      @@Quast Yeah the PDFs help alot. I like how a book if needed used to come with recievers and many functioning types of inputs.

  • @davuvnik
    @davuvnik Před 2 lety

    Lol the ominous quote was a golden punch to the gut to those manufacturers who think they are untouchable... 😆. You sir, are truly smart. Subbed

  • @noahearl
    @noahearl Před 2 lety

    Thanks for the sage advice
    Saved me some stress

  • @GstarCurtis
    @GstarCurtis Před 2 lety +1

    Its the same with USB 3.0 & 3.1, its super annoying how they have ruined the naming scheme. Make it so it needs to meet these criterias to be named this.

  • @railerswim
    @railerswim Před 2 lety +1

    I hope retailers implement better filtering options in their search tools online or shopping for tvs is going to be a nightmare

  • @byronwellburn
    @byronwellburn Před 2 lety

    VINCENT...... great vid
    I'm with you brah. 👍

  • @gerardfraser
    @gerardfraser Před 2 lety +1

    thanks for sharing

  • @neiltaylor6645
    @neiltaylor6645 Před 2 lety

    Great Christmas 🤶 sweater

  • @ritajames7797
    @ritajames7797 Před 2 lety

    Thank you Vincent, for flagging this up and reminding people of this factor. Noted.

  • @fernandogalo5070
    @fernandogalo5070 Před 2 lety

    You have always been true in your reviews

  • @victorpulos823
    @victorpulos823 Před 2 lety

    Good information

  • @sinnexit7450
    @sinnexit7450 Před 2 lety +2

    Loving Vincent's Christmas jumper

  • @EmblemParade
    @EmblemParade Před 2 lety +4

    This is good news for channels like yours, too. :) For reals, though, what an awful decision and an awful mess. I wonder if it will also lead to a lot of people returning TVs when they don't work as expected.

  • @natr0nzero
    @natr0nzero Před 2 lety +2

    I just got burned by this exact thing. I bought a new LG sound bar that claimed HDMI 2.1 I/O but doesn’t pass 4K 120

  • @Scence_X
    @Scence_X Před 2 lety +1

    Vincent, will you make a Review of the Reavon UBR X-100 and X-200 4K Blu Ray Player?

  • @gibber1944
    @gibber1944 Před 2 lety +1

    This video earned a subscribe from me.

  • @SwordnScale
    @SwordnScale Před 2 lety +2

    Thanks mate, I was scammed by an article about the Klipsch cinema 800 which said it was one of the best soundboard for next gen consoles but it turns out it’s only capable of passing 8k 30fps.
    I’m annoyed but still a great product

    • @tommycocacocke
      @tommycocacocke Před 2 lety +3

      Dont run youre console via the amp, use hdmi eARC from the tv

  • @nonametito2599
    @nonametito2599 Před 2 lety

    Interesting video.

  • @smithjohn5217
    @smithjohn5217 Před 2 lety

    Thanks vinnie for getting to the bottom of this issue pun intended 😄

  • @ouki4925
    @ouki4925 Před 2 lety +2

    This means you will have to avoid the little brands that don't have good track records or any record at all.

  • @mikek92
    @mikek92 Před 2 lety +7

    Time to go screw with the Best Buy sales "experts" , lol !

  • @impactupgrades
    @impactupgrades Před 2 lety

    I have a MI TV 4S connected to a Denon receiver (via fibre optics).
    Sometimes, I will watch movies from my tablet via my MI TV, connecting directly with a HDMI 2.1 cable.
    Which gives a better video/audio experience:
    1. as what I'm doing now, using HDMI 2.1 cable to connect between MI TV and tablet
    OR
    2. using HDMI 2.1 cable to connect to Denon receiver and view on MI TV.

  • @abdull8736
    @abdull8736 Před 2 lety

    Thank you

  • @nickmello9415
    @nickmello9415 Před 2 lety

    I have a PS5 and a series X.
    I also have a 4K 60 FPS LG OLED w/ HDR and Dolby Vision.
    I bought the TV about 3 years ago and Im going to wait another year or two until VRR and 2.1 are standard across the board.

  • @AlleyKatPr0
    @AlleyKatPr0 Před 2 lety +16

    Vincent, it is great you are doing these videos but I think one question still remains:
    WHY?
    Why is it that manufacturers of televisions do not simply adopt to the new standard when it became a standard in November of 2017?
    Why did the HDMI LA break out the standard into so many separate standards and specifications - because HDMI is one of the most misunderstood standards due to it's bewildering myriad of possible configurations?
    Why didn't the HDMI LA just make one specification that covered all of these bases in one configuration, so if a consumer sees "HDMI 2.1" then, they know what it means?
    There is no explanation for this whatsoever, and let's be honest here, consumers should NOT have to walk into Richer Sounds with an HDMI configuration Matrix spreadsheet translation interloper to make sure they are not getting the wrong variant of HDMI for their uses.
    HDMI 2.1 should have meant everything @ 48GBPS, and the ridiculous nature of partitioning HDMI specifications for the same interface is just crazy.
    Then we got the chipset manufacturers supplying chipsets with some of the features, but not all, and some that have nearly everything but one of the features.
    It's been FOUR YEARS...and we are in this situation for no good reason at all, and I think the HDMI LA have a lot to answer for.
    So again, I ask the question:
    WHY?

    • @thoreberlin
      @thoreberlin Před 2 lety +1

      Just a theory: Manufacturers (they finance HDMI LA through) couldn't get to full HDMI 2.1 compliance as fast as they thought and now don't want it to slow sales due to customers wanting it. The pandemic and availability has also slowed implementation. There is still no way to have a fully compliant setup with all devices supporting all features.

    • @AlleyKatPr0
      @AlleyKatPr0 Před 2 lety

      @@thoreberlin So...you're saying it takes longer than 4 years to get certified for an HDMI port?
      Not buying it. PCB manufacturers had the spec and could've made whatever they needed fairly quickly. It's their profession, and they are very good at it! In addition, the actual dimensions of HDMI 2.0 and HDMI 2.1 are exactly the same! This is why it is called "2.1", because it is less about manufacturing than software plus. They are in the same standard, 2.1 was a software extension
      As for HDMI LA, why did they split a port into so many sub sections when it is, in essence, just a physical plug on a PCB with minor real-time software operating systems. There was no need whatsoever for them to split out the standard into so many subsections.
      If I were a manufacturer of PCB's, I would have been pulling my hair out in complete annoyance at the HDMI LA for doing this, as it has meant nothing but mass confusion for them to have to produce, design and manufacture so many different PCB's for companies like Sony, LG, Panasonic, Samsung and then also, monitor manufacturers, PC manufacturers...even Train companies who put HDMI chargers on their Trains.
      The list is endless.
      This standard from HDMI 2.0 to HDMI 2.1 has been the worst-designed specification in TV history.
      You understand that I am not speaking about the performance, picture quality or even, the physical port itself - just the was the functionality of the thing.
      Worst.

    • @thoreberlin
      @thoreberlin Před 2 lety +1

      @@AlleyKatPr0 No. I was saying, that there is still not 1 full feature enabled device chain for 48 Gb/s due to current chipset limitations. It's furthermore hard to advance on that front currently. There isn't even a chipset for receivers that switches more than one 48 Gb/s Port.

    • @RobertK1993
      @RobertK1993 Před 2 lety +2

      @@thoreberlin Which is why Sony struggling to get VRR 4K 120Hz Dolby Vision HDR working 2021 tvs

    • @RobertK1993
      @RobertK1993 Před 2 lety

      @@AlleyKatPr0 LG OLED TVs struggle to deliver VRR without dimming the picture

  • @NeuroPulse
    @NeuroPulse Před 2 lety

    I heard the Hisense U8G cuts the vertical resolution in half when displaying 4k 120. Is this true? Maybe it only happens with VRR turned on?
    I don't have a modern graphics card with 2.1 to try test patterns.

  • @AdamH7
    @AdamH7 Před 2 lety +3

    This is a nightmare

  • @EyesOfByes
    @EyesOfByes Před 2 lety

    Yeah, I thought things were a bit confusing this Black Friday

  • @THEEYEINTHESKIES
    @THEEYEINTHESKIES Před 2 lety +1

    I returned a gigabyte monitor after a month of use and bought a LG C1 because of this. Luckily the retailer was understanding.

  • @Erowens98
    @Erowens98 Před 2 lety

    The problem with relying on reviewers, is that reviewers only review UK/US models. And only a handful of those.
    Most of the TVs I've considered buying here in Finland. Do not have any high quality, trusted reviews available.

  • @conchobar
    @conchobar Před 2 lety

    This is bad news. In the past manufacturers falsely advertised specific features. It was certification licensing that allowed Consumers to forego buying and testing individual products, and rather depend on product certification. Now it's just back to the future, where manufacturers, especially 3rd tier manufacturers, will just falsely advertise features that either don't exist in the product or be implemented so poorly, they are unusable.

  • @thatguywecalldana
    @thatguywecalldana Před 2 lety +1

    Fantastic !!
    What would you recommend for the best gaming AND movie viewing experience? My last LG OLED has massive burn in and I'm ready to upgrade.

    • @AlleyKatPr0
      @AlleyKatPr0 Před 2 lety

      next years QD OLED displays from everyone

  • @vintatsh
    @vintatsh Před 2 lety +1

    For most of us following the latest TV technologies this is not an issue as we know what to look for in a TV but for the general consumer I can‘t believe how terrible the guidelines are.
    Like what‘s even the point of such naming conventions when companies can just define it like they want.

  • @e21big
    @e21big Před 2 lety +1

    Even if you put the consumer aside, this move from HDMI LA will hurt the smaller manufacturers more than anyone else. A flagship TV or monitor from large manufacturers will always get tested and reviewed by people like rting, you or Hardware Unboxed so people will know regardless if the HDMI 2.1 is missing spec. But not all brands got the luxury of having the reviewer's attention worse so if it's not a particularly high end model, what do you think will happen? People will just ignore them and go buying a big brand if they needed HDMI 2.1 because the label and certification itself freaking mean nothing

  • @sgtBilko75
    @sgtBilko75 Před 2 lety

    Nice sweater you got there

  • @josefeliciano6069
    @josefeliciano6069 Před 2 lety

    Hi vincent is the new L9 hinsense projector 2.1 120 mhz or is a fake one?thanks

  • @Renniz72
    @Renniz72 Před 2 lety +1

    As if consumers aren't confused enough with this chicken and egg cycle. Sounds like we need a new standard that requires certain features to be present in order to be certified compliant, especially eARC. HDMI has so many challenges already, we need better standards control and reliability!

  • @bloomerb4162
    @bloomerb4162 Před 2 lety +7

    CX much, much more aggressive asbl in HDR game mode since firmware 4.30.40.
    Vincent you need to look into this.
    I probably would have returned the tv for an LCD if this was happening last October when I purchased it.

    • @LazyCrazyGuy
      @LazyCrazyGuy Před 2 lety +3

      I hate updates because they change things in ways that you don't expect. I turn off auto updates now and keep the old firmware until I can confirm that the new update isn't detrimental to the set in any way that would bother me. I use forums to see what people report.

    • @xm3405
      @xm3405 Před 2 lety

      ABL or ASBL? ASBL can be disabled in the service menu and thats when static elements get dimmed over time but ABL is when things get dimmed based on the amount of bright light present across the screen.

    • @poluticon
      @poluticon Před 2 lety

      Return it now

    • @nathangreen3661
      @nathangreen3661 Před 2 lety

      what about the C9?

    • @JonPais
      @JonPais Před 2 lety

      You should return it now since we all know any lcd is superior to garbage lg oled. lol

  • @johnwakefield4473
    @johnwakefield4473 Před 2 lety

    Hopefully means the inclusion of Display Port sockets becomes more common.

  • @caluliman
    @caluliman Před 2 lety

    Hi Vincent ut would be nice to know what the samsung q90r from 2019 hdmi supports, since u han play ps5 120hz but the promise from samsung that hdmi earc would come, and never came its interesting go know why and what the tv can really do

  • @DragonboltBlastter
    @DragonboltBlastter Před 2 lety +1

    1:30 Always got my eyes on the newest Mel G tv or should I wait for the newest Bony!

  • @MrBigal1575
    @MrBigal1575 Před 7 měsíci

    My 2021 The Frame was having issues with its one 2.1 port. With both Xbox Series X and PS5. After much troubleshooting and multiple visits from Samsung technicians (3). It was fixed and the other ports were unintentionally“upgraded “ 2.1 as well. So it seems that Samsung was purposefully limiting the other HDMI ports.

  • @mennofrieswijk1703
    @mennofrieswijk1703 Před 2 lety +2

    Best part of the video is the support for the F1 World Champion ;p

  • @andreaozbot8850
    @andreaozbot8850 Před 2 lety

    Vincent i bought a c1
    Changed the screen cause of dead pixels
    Second One still has some death pixels and others do not work properly
    What should i do ?
    Is It normal getting tv's with at least One dead pixel ?
    Or am i unlucky
    Please answer me

  • @paulanderegg5536
    @paulanderegg5536 Před 2 lety

    Is it possible for an HDMI 2.1 certified connection to offer less functions and features than a legacy HDMI 2.0 connection? My Sony HDMI 2.0 connectors have eARC, so I am seeing the possibility of it offering more features than a base HDMI 2.1 without eARC?

  • @Readmore681
    @Readmore681 Před 2 lety +1

    There’s no better reviewer then Vincent

  • @apollosungod2819
    @apollosungod2819 Před 2 lety +2

    At least these companies don't have the same level of power of "certain" mobile phone service companies/providers who are basically forcing their customers to forcibly "upgrade" to the new 5G smartphones... but then again most smartphones tend to be treated like "disposable" technology.

  • @Sniperdx
    @Sniperdx Před 2 lety

    This is like the fake HDR marking where the tv can accept the signal but does not have the nit count to do HDR correctly

  • @dylanhope4864
    @dylanhope4864 Před 2 lety

    Is there a full list of TV's that support full resolution and VRR at 4k/120hrz?

  • @MovieCaveDave
    @MovieCaveDave Před 2 lety +2

    Nice one Vinny, Hopefully this will help a lot of people out and also weed out what seems to be a lot of cracks in a standard, this is exactly why I have been a avid reader of Home Cinema Choice since issue 1, way back in the mid 90’s to now and then staying in the loop with my local independent retailer and amazing “Real” tech channels like yourself and some of the others (I’m extremely selective when it comes to who I trust on here) I know for one that some 🤡’s wouldn’t even put this type of video out there for the masses, stay safe this Christmas and try and get a video In before the new year…Peace

  • @Spirit4315
    @Spirit4315 Před 2 lety +3

    I'm really happy with my new Sony X900H

  • @uprajsingh
    @uprajsingh Před 2 lety

    Hey, when 4K UHD movies are running max at 90Mbps bandwidth at 24FPS, why does one require 40+ Gbps requirements, is it because on 4K Players one can up the output frame rates and that requires more bandwidth? I am only talking about 4K UHD movies with masters audio, that we buy off the shelf. Which I currently play on Oppo UDP 203 for example.

  • @southbronxny5727
    @southbronxny5727 Před 2 lety +1

    The best hdmi if seen is the Fibbre Optic cable for 20 bucks on amazon. Every options with 12bit (c1 oled) works beautifully using my pc.

    • @adriankoch964
      @adriankoch964 Před 2 lety

      Cables are a super scam. So many cables advertise bandwith they can't archive. Also had to switch to a fios cable to get proper 4k on a longer cable. Display port cables are just as bad & frequently counterfeit as hdmi.

  • @chrishalle1982
    @chrishalle1982 Před 2 lety

    My hdmi 2.0 LG tv supports earc. Can the manufacturer marketing this tv as HDMI 2.1 earc?

  • @RizzyWow
    @RizzyWow Před 2 lety

    What’s wild is my Samsung AU9007 is HDMI 2.0 - but with this new standard the tv could pass as HDMI 2.1 if retested due to being able to quick switch & provide VRR

    • @blahorgaslisk7763
      @blahorgaslisk7763 Před 2 lety

      Now you just have to petition Samsung to recertify that model as 2.1 and you get a free upgrade!

  • @Gindi4711
    @Gindi4711 Před 2 lety

    There is one additional problem:
    FRL is not an official HDMI feature. The feature is called "4K120". But 4K120 can also be achieved without FRL, but only with 8 Bit 4:2:0. So a TV manufacturer could choose to support 4K120 8 bit 4:2:0, do the recertification and correctly market it as HDMI 2.1 (4K120).
    If the TV supports 4K120 RGB or 4:4:4 is often not even listed in the datasheet. You will have to search in the manual for supported resolutions. The problem about that: In reality this information could be wrong and TV makers often make reall cheap excuses like "we do not support using this TV as a monitor".
    Same problem with VRR: Nvidia claims to support VRR with RTX 3000 cards, TV manufacturers claim to support VRR, but often it does not work. Nvidia claims the TV is not listed as GSync compatible, TV makers claim they to not support PCs. This happens across the board so either all TV manufacturers are scamming their customers with specifications their products do not have (yes I am looking at you Sony) or maybe the HDMI 2.1 standard is simply garbage allowing for situations where 2 products are both meeting the specifications while still not being compatible.

  • @shadowcheto85
    @shadowcheto85 Před 2 lety +1

    So basically HDMI 2.1 cert is now completely meaningless. All USBs are USB 3.2 all monitors are HDR and so on and so on. So stupid.

  • @Erowens98
    @Erowens98 Před 2 lety

    What a sad world we live in, where specification standards are no longer standards.

  • @Tennde
    @Tennde Před 2 lety

    Smooth ending

  • @xm3405
    @xm3405 Před 2 lety

    Nice red bull racing hat

  • @batmanxgr
    @batmanxgr Před 2 lety +3

    Good video. This still doesn't make it right what HDMI LA is doing. This make shopping for a TV more complicated.
    I shouldn't be Nickeled and dime for features..... because LG as an example, will charge more for a TV series that is geared towards gaming versus a TV series listed for normal movie watching because, a movie watching TV doesn't need VRR, ALLM, or even 4k@120hz features.
    We have a chance to have future proof TV's....now we are going back to the 1990s. Horrible horrible move HDMI LA!!!!!

    • @AlleyKatPr0
      @AlleyKatPr0 Před 2 lety

      Agreed. HDMI LA made a convoluted specification for no reason at all, that made chip-set manufacturers have to design multiple specifications within the same standard, and that has caused one of the worst port standards in history.

  • @tistats
    @tistats Před 2 lety

    I'm more worried about "fake" cables at this point. I think this just allowed more...wiggle room for companies with questionable ethics/marketing.

  • @dariginal
    @dariginal Před 2 lety

    Shyte! Is that why you haven't reviewed sony Z9J? Cost me a pretty penny and I'm experiencing some issues. Return window still open, should I Vince?

  • @simonmaduxx6777
    @simonmaduxx6777 Před 2 lety

    It may sound ominous, but a naming and shaming by the community is definitely what is needed here. Yes technology has been moving pretty fast and features still need to match the goals of the marketplace but on the same note hiding features and distorting information to customers is bound to end badly.
    For instance a TV set that supports Dolby Vision but then doesn't accept Dolby Vision gaming. It's utterly nonsense and things you're not going to know unless some reviewer catches it or it's sitting in your living room and then you found out you just spent hundreds of dollars on something that doesn't work properly.
    There's some pretty prominent bad actors out there with features that only half work especially Sony. They seem to have found a Time to introduce unique bravia features to take advantage of their ps5.