Wlvrtnjm while I would never defend the disorganized mess that is Illinois gun laws, I would like to point out that we as a second amendment community have made great strides in recent years in Illinois. Ten years ago each municipality could entirely make it's own weapons laws, there wasn't even a mechanism for ccw, any guns brought into Chicago from any reason had to be registered with Cpd, only cops could register handguns in Chicago that weren't already registered prior to some year in the 80's, and Illinois residents could not even possess a handgun in neighboring Indiana. (Indiana was upset about it's residents getting hemmed up by Illinois law so did the same to ours.) we are now shall issue ccw, local ordinances are preempted by state law and all must honor ccw permits, handgun magazine capacity laws were all struck down, and we recognize all carry permits from any state for "pass through" Illinois. (valid as long as you are in your car). Finally, Indiana recognizes our ccw permits. Oh, yeah, and we got SBR's back... Working on suppressors still, we managed to get them back for Swat teams, but everyone else we are still working on. (there was no exemptions even for active on duty working federal and local police/swat/military) Astounding.
jdel56 there is an app for Georgia I use the search bar for quick reference but I always go to the book after I reference the app it makes it so much quicker.
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Complexity of the legal system and legislation reflect the complexity of reality and all possible permutations of the intent, knowledge, forethought and expectations of an individual. AND it is a helpful reminder of the need for the 5th amendment, or international equivalents because though not encoded in the piece of constitutional law itself, Supreme Court case law recognises that the sheer vastness and complexity of criminal law could cause someone to contravene an aspect of this nebulous body of information without knowledge or intention. And since ignorance is not a defence, there must exist a sanctuary for the individual (innocent, not guilty or guilty) to occupy until they are in a position to obtain expert legal advice and the required knowledge and understanding so well-expressed in this video of just one aspect of one paragraph of one subsection of one section of criminal law.
I enjoyed the brief refresher on statutory construction. It's a highly in-depth process and you covered some of the high points well. For anyone that's interested, there's doctrines of overbreadth, vagueness, and preemption just to name a few that could impact a law in this area as well. Not sure if I heard you wrong, but the FOIA card is only needed when transporting a firearm unloaded and in a case, not when it's broken down or not immediately accessible. The placement of the and is only in (4)(iv)Though, I'm not an expert on IL firearms law. Thanks for the video.
lefend nope you have to have a Foid for almost everything here if you are an Illinois resident. Out of state residents have to have their local carry permit.
free field training - Correct, IL residents need a FOIA card for almost everything. I don't see where you're getting the have the local carry permit though. As I'm sure you know, some states don't issue permits so this would cause an issue for them. Plus, if you're just traveling through IL you would likely be covered under the federal protection of the Interstate transportation of firearms act. (18 U.S.C. § 926A) Thanks for responding.
+lefend Nobody said Illinois law was perfect, surely not me. I'm just saying that is what is written. In reality most of what is written isn't enforced at all when it comes to the technical minutiae. Reasonableness is a double edged sword. I still have to convince the states attorneys to prosecute and if I hemmed up some poor guy who was otherwise legal transporting his gun through Illinois because he didn't have a slip of paper proving he was legal they would laugh at me. Illinois also accepts all US carry permits for pass through (so as long as you are in your car you are good with a handgun) making most of these requirements a non issue for anyone who can carry in their home state.
It is just like flying or working on aircraft. There is no way to do either without breaking some law of some sort. I guess government law makers are mostly lawyers and same for judges. I look at it like if doctors spread illness on purpose so we need to go to the doctor, now we have to go to other doctors to fix our illness and so on and so forth. Lawyers makes us hire lawyers to keep us safe from other lawyers (judges).
Jesus Christ weapon laws are a pain in the ass in Illinois. Here in Texas Black Powder guns are antiques and you have to be at least 18 to buy them and are not firearms, a vehicle is the extension of your home and you may carry and defend it as you see fit. We deleted all state melee laws recently so you can carry any knife, hatchet, or fucking battle axe. No permit is needed to open carry any long gun on your person that includes shotguns, rifles, and "assault" rifles. No magazine restrictions or ammo type. That's how it is here even in major cities like Houston and Dallas TX so it's not like it's a strictly rural thing. We do still have a concealed carry permit for pistols but just requires a background check and accuracy qualification. If you can hit your target and not a felon you should have one in just a couple of weeks. Having and carrying a black powder pistol in Illinois is like spinning plates while jump roping and we don't even consider it a real firearm here.
Since you're talking about weapons and transport and all that, what are the laws behind martial arts weapons? How can I carry/transport my nunchucks/staff(big stick)/Kama(blade)???
+Anna Gabrielle man, that is a bit of a mess here. Most you can just throw in the trunk, but throwing stars?.... Oh, boy are those illegal! Why I will never know.
What amazes me is that all 50 states have different criminal codes. In Canada we have provincial responsibilities and federal responsibilities. So Canada has all-in-one criminal code, because that is a federal responsibility. Whereas as each province has a separate Highway Traffic Act.
A couple years ago my dad and I went to the AIM Grand National Trapshooting Championship in Sparta, Illinois, we had 12 shotguns and probably 3000-4000 shotgun shells in the back of the car, good times.
Question: If a truck driver has a firearm (say, a Glock 19), in his sleeper, and he has a carry permit from his state but is traveling in another city or state where it's illegal to have a concealed weapon, and he gets pulled over and the cops ask if he has any weapons in the vehicle, does he have to answer if he doesn't have to answer in his home state? If so, and if it's illegal to have a loaded firearm in the certain state or city where he gets pulled over, can he goto jail for it or is it ok for him to have it because he's from another state where it's allowed and he has a permit? For example, Florida has a "weapons carry license" that is "reciprocated" in other states. A person with a Florida permit can carry in Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. But in the other states not listed that a commercial driver may have to travel through, does the law of his home state take precedence? Or is it the laws of the city and state he's in? I've had trouble finding a clear answer about this! Great video! thanks!
+JaDo Steele the laws in the place you are in apply. However, federal law does give a level of protection when transporting Firearms that are unloaded and not immediately accessible through other states. Google "firearm owner protection act." I will warn you though that this is most often brought up as a defense in court and not as a work around on the street. The burden is upon you to know the applicable laws of the places you are in as far as notification, and I couldn't rattle them off to you for every state either.
Basic law: in Texas I don’t have to show I’d if I am not suspected of a crime. Cops cannot force me to if just because I am walking on a puny side walk taking pictures of buildings or homes. They don’t seem to know this. Or don’t care. Their law is you can’t deny them anything they ask for.
FYI, in California and a number of other states underage sex is not a strict liability crime. Strict liability made a lot of sense back when the age of consent was 10 or 12. It makes less sense to have to convict a 21-year-old of a felony for having sex with a mature looking 17-year old with a fake ID that he met in a bar.
Interesting. Statutes and how they are applied vary state by state obviously. But, I honestly thought that was strict liability everywhere. Where does the burden of proof lie in those cases in California?
A problem I see here in CA, is that most Peace Officers don't know the difference between law and department policy. The law is always above departmental policy and departmental policy is created to aid Officers to work in tandem with the law and the needs of the department. The big problems involve policies regarding "shooting policy", "Officer Safety" and "sexual misconduct" since they are in constant conflict with the ever changing laws. Policy is also created by administration without consulting the City Attorney's Office or County Council.
Oh God it's like the academy all over again. The or/ and discussion is great. As a philosophy major there are many cases where "or" can have different meanings. It's an old school problem that comes from latin where there were inclusive (vel) and exclusive (aut) versions of the word "or". In english it only one word "or", and since a lot of laws start in latin the confusion ensues.
+IN THIS DAY AND AGE the US Constitution is the limiting document of other laws so you have to understand the other laws first and then take into account the Constitution which is primarily a matter of understanding the case law where is interpreted by the courts. The tough part about case laws I said the videos that it's always changing so things about the Illinois UW law that we looked at here have changed in the last 10 years and change for the better in my book.
IN THIS DAY AND AGE let me try that again... The constitution is the check on other laws and we have to consider it through the lens of case law applicable to the issue at the time we are interpreting. It is literally impossible to consider the constitution first on matters of state law as we have to understand fully the state law at issue before we can know what case law applies. This also changes with time at a far greater rate than statutes do. No law exists in a vacuum.
Bearing in mind that you can't give legal advice; if I as an out of state truck driver were to enter your state with a cased, unloaded, out-of-reach handgun, do Illinois laws allow you to arrest me? - if there is no ammo in the semi, just the cased, out-of-reach handgun, do Illinois laws allow you to arrest me?
Assuming you can legally possess a handgun under federal law an encased unloaded handgun that is not immediately accessible should not be a problem. It is also my understanding of Illinois law currently that if you have an out of state carry permit you can legally carry under that permit while driving a vehicle in Illinois for pass through. You can't get out with it, but as long as you are in the truck you should be OK. Now, having said that Illinois Firearms laws change faster than most people change their underwear so if you have any questions about the current state of what you can or cannot do under the current laws I suggest contacting the Illinois state police Firearms unit at 217-782-7980. They can batter direct you on how to stay out of trouble while traveling through and staying in Illinois as an out of state resident or permit holder.
I have a Minnesota permit to carry. As I mentioned, I'm a truck driver. But I'm also working on my 2 year AAS degree in Law Enforcement with hopes of becoming a licensed peace officer in Minnesota. My sole purpose for wanting to bring it with me is to spend time each day drilling with it (while unloaded). I won't be bringing ammo along - no need for it. It would seem somewhat counterproductive to get charged with a felony for breaking the law while I'm studying to try to become someone who enforces it. :)
You briefly mentioned truck driving; I'm OTR. I know this is very very broad but would transporting a firearm inside my truck through a state where it is prohibited be in violation of their laws? For example, where I'm at, large capacity magazines are legal. However, if I was stopped in IL, would I instantly be committing a federal felony by possessing illegal firearm related items? I'd really like to have some mechanism for self defense in my truck but I'm afraid of breaking some pretty serious laws here. Thank you.
The legal system has a fatal flaw from the beginning and here's why...if ever there was a day when the perfect set of laws existed by which to properly and fairly govern the people and society, the question is "what would the lawmakers do to keep their jobs next week?" and the week after? Or a month later? What about next year? What do the lawmakers do to keep their jobs? Well, they have to rewrite some laws! They have to keep making new ones and constantly changing the old ones, which worked just fine in this example, just to keep their job positions. The whole system is fundamentally flawed. Just my 2 cents.
+JaDo Steele I really can't disagree with that. Though there are many things that lawmakers do other than make criminal laws. People only think of the criminal side, but most of law is procedural, ie keeping government functioning.
How broken down does the gun need to be to qualify as "broken down? Are we talking about completely disassembled, or would removing the barrel be enough? It says "in a non-functioning state" well just removing the firring pin would make the gun nonfunctional, but you may not know it won't work with just a quick glance at the gun
Yep, there is no easy definition I've found, though in practice nobody breaks the gun down to a non functioning state to transport it especially without unloading it and putting it in a case anyway.
I was thinking about someone who wants to carry, but can't get a card. They would want to stay legal, but still be able to make the gun functional quickly. Though that type of person doesn't usually worry that much about the law.
+Eric Taylor if you can't get a carry permit in a shall issue state it is because you are probably not legal to own a gun at all. Really a non issue where I'm at. Our ccw law really is more a tax and an inconvenience than a way to stop people from getting a permit. It is like the NFA. If you can buy a gun you can probably get a tax stamp, the background check requirements are about the same.
Charles Stonebridge lol, that's the BEST part. Every layer of government has the ability to hit you with any charge they want. The only limitation is on substantially similar charger (it is called double jeopardy) the government has to only charge at one level. It is literally up in the air about which one they use until they get together and decide via unofficial committee.
I enjoyed this video. It is rare to find officers out there that understand mens-rae as the element of the crime. I think I'm going to show all of my work buddies your videos. You should see a lot more views headed your way.
I like the "FOID OR CCW" because anyone with a CCW in Illinois has already got a FOID card because they have to pay thier TAX to the state before they can go buy their gun.
+Gadsden Jim last I heard the state actually loses money running the Foid program. It is $20 and the card is good for ten years, hardly more than an inconvenience for first time buyers. The taxes specifically on ammunition and guns by many municipalities is an entirety different issue.
The part where it says OR in an abode of another with permission. Does that mean you have to have their permission to be on their property? OR does it mean you have to have their permission to be on their property AND have their permission to have a firearm on their property?
I've been watching these free-carry second amendement videos. Cops don't seem to know how to react. In Canada, it's simple: use the Criminal Code statute on intimidation.... In Canada. For Canadian LEOs, the gun laws are the same throughout Canada. Entirely different topic in Canada.
I've learned that your phone can be a useful tool I have an app on my phone for Georgia laws statues and penal codes I use the search bar to quick reference the codes and that saves a lot of time and makes it a lot easier to find in the books If I even have to slightest doubt I always go look it up. I can't tell you how many times that app has come in handy.
Stupid observation since it says "tazer OR firearm" you could make the argument that if you do carry both you might fit into the exemption because as you said they don't expect you to carry both. Anybody willing to try that in court?
Al crimes do not require a victim. Only suits at common law over $20. Civil suits. In criminal law there is no requirement that there be a complainant other than the government. That is pretty clearly spelled out in the constitution.
John Suggs no I'm just being literal and pedantic. Since there is a difference between " and " and "or" and presumably "and/or" the exact wording of the law. Sounds like it's only illegal to carry one without the other. Think of it in terms of logical operations in programing.
So if transport alone requires a state FOID card, how does one legally drive through the state transporting a firearm to another destination? I know there is case law about legitimate use for traveling between destinations for lawful purposes though I can't quote them, eg the case about connecting flights in states with more restrictive laws than either the start or destination that was dealt with in New York. If I transport a firearm that is legal in my state to a state where it is also legal, do I need to drive around IL. since I don't and can't have a state Firearms Owner ID card?
+Matt Herring No, not really. There are boatloads of exemptions written into the law. The Illinois state police Foid office actually has a pamphlet online that explains many of the key issues including out of state residents transporting through Illinois.
I was open carrying my Wilson combat 1911 on my own property and while standing in my front yard I had two police officers pull up really fast one pulling into my grass on my property and the other flew into my driveway and both opened their doors and took concealment behind their doors while yelling orders to me to face away from them and then to throw my pistol on the ground and walk 15 feet backwards towards them and in which I complied ( even though I knew I was 100% in compliance with the Illinois law) and then while walking backwards I was tackled and treated like shit. they took my ID and my f.o.i.d card and still hauled me to the county for 5 hrs and my attorney chewed them up and spit them out. my attorney wanted me to go after the dept. in a whole but I did not think that would be fair due to the two idiots that where there that day.
Iowa has some strange ones as well. Everything is controlled mostly by the DNR . When I moved here from Nevada if I had not asked about laws regarding actual self defense shooting situations all the guy who taught the CCW class would have talked about is the hunting laws.
+dakken551 lol, that sucks. They need to start having the prosecutors giving the self defense portions of ccw classes. At least then people would know which if their fear are founded and which are not.
It was strange to me coming from a less rural community. I am glad I pressed the point coming from a state that has open carry with no permit, castle doctrine, and stand you r ground laws. I found out the laws here were drastically different. Up until about a month ago even in your home you had to prove that you had retreated as far as possible. In a bad situation I could have ended up doing 20 years without that information.
Anyone know how that FOID thing applies to people from out of state? Can't imagine you'd need to get an IL ID to transport a firearm into the state for competition or hunting if you bought it and could otherwise own it in your home state that doesn't have cucked gun laws.
You don't need a foid or special permit, but there are transportation requirements. There is a brochure the illinois state police put out that you might find helpful here: www.ispfsb.com/Public/Faq.aspx
very interesting. heres a idea why not make cops like veterinarians? vets go to school longer than docs and can do many things on a general level that docs can. why not make all cops a bar lawyer then allow them to be police? aside from time constraints this would streamline state budgets from waste as well as giving us the best and brightest?
+adamshattuck1985 lawyers don't know every law either. It is a misconception that attorneys somehow would be able to make split second legal decisions any better than anyone else. It takes lawyers WEEKS to prepare for a trial. It takes judges HOURS to make a decision on a case. Both sit down and look things up. Most of law school is not pertinent to criminal law. Ask any lawyer, they will tell you law school is mostly a waste of time for them too. Just like getting a criminal justice degree for cops. Where they, and we, learn how to be a good at our jobs is in practice with people who have done it. Also, I take exception to the very notion that lawyers are smart, let alone the "best and brightest". Have you met public defenders? Lol
I've got a question, but it may not be easy for you to answer. Let's say you get a call about domestic violence at an old folk's home, now you have reasonable suspicion. If you knock on their door, and the male says nothing happened, and so did the lady (Because they usually are afraid), how would you carry out the situation? Adding one more detail.. what if the daughter was the only one who said the male threatened and assaulted the lady. Would you arrest him, even if you don't know 100% that the daughter is telling the truth?
+Richard GrimesLSRP I can't possibly answer that, domestics are tricky and there are so many things to take into account that aren't, and couldn't be in your discription. If there is probable cause I arrest for violent offences. But, that is a complicated balancing act on domestics.
Wow!! So glad I live in Florida where our vehicles fall under the Castle Doctrine. Our only requirement for NON CCW citizens is the handgun has to be "enclosed". Enclosed has been defined as either in a glovebox or center console OR even a snapping or velcroed holster.
free field training I do, because I like to carry it on my person. I was just stating the difference the laws are, even for those that don't want to carry or get a CCW but still want to have a firearm in their vehicles and homes.
free field training I have a question on something my family has had discussions on, sometimes a little heated. Maybe you as a trainer could chime in on... I come from a family that all males are ex or current military or ex or current LEOs with a couple that are both. My uncle is retired from the Orange County Sheriff's Dept. Both his twin sons are also deputies of OCS. My uncle retired after like 35 years and worked everything from street cop, Narcs, to Detective before retiring. He only pulled his firearm twice in his career and never fired it. BOTH his sons had not only pulled and fired their side arms but killed a suspect. We all got into a discussion one Thanksgiving and were discussing this and it came down to, what we think, is training. Newer cadets are trained more like us in the military than my uncle was. Right down to putting 2 in the chest and one in the head and double tap. In my uncles day, ONLY SWAT trained this way. Do you think that the way many departments train more like the military and less like "peace officers" is why we have more officer involved shootings? My uncle can't stand that this is how they are now trained and that we have militarized the police in both training and gear. I'm on the fence and see both their sides. There is a much longer story that goes on the side of my cousins that I won't go into here. I don't like seeing our cops wearing the same gear, driving the same vehicles and carrying the same weapons I did in Iraq, but I also want to continue to see them every Thanksgiving, also.
+Trigger Happy if you look at the statistics from those days as well you'll see the police work was a lot more dangerous of a job. When we talk about militarization of police we have to be careful of that we're actually using facts. Lots of the equipment that people talk about as being military equipment was in fact originally designed for civilian law enforcement including some of the tactics and training. I was never around in the 50s to know what the training was like exactly from that time. I can't tell you though that there is an enormous difference between an officer who works somewhere that was very slow and only pull their gun out of their holster twice in 30 years and someone who works in an area like I do where the guns are coming out on a daily basis. I think some of what you're seeing talking to these gentlemen isn't so much a generational shift as it is a contextual one.
+Trigger Happy you also have to look at the technological changes and advancements in training, threats, and equipment from then to now. Body armor radically changed the way LE trains. So did our understanding of human anatomy, the effects of pcp on the body, changes in civil liability, and application of the OODA loop concepts. Back to context though, I have friends who work both the far north, south, and west sides of Chicago, currently. The north siders have stories about "that one time I pointed my gun at a guy". On the south and near west sides we call that a normal Tuesday. Training and equipment is identical.
I love watching on CZcams arguing with a police officer that he doesn’t have to show his drivers license or even to roll his window completely down. It never turns out good for that person.
insanity. seriously. out west here (not kalifornia) it's much easier to comply with the law. there is NO reason it should be this complicated. reminds me of the pharisees.
Okay so what if the civilian has a CCW and is carrying it on their person while driving? Would they still need to break it down, or unload/into case or lock it up even if they were traveling a short distance to like say a grocery store?
The Bruner case in Illinois decided that it was legal to carry an UNLOADED firearm in a case, and a case included a purse, backpack, fanny pack, gym bag, and others. Two corrupt Deputies from the neighboring county to the west falsely arrested an individual for fanny pack carry of an unloaded firearm. Ironically, Cook County knew better than to do that illegal stuff. The two corrupt Deputies and the corrupt Judge did some pretty illegal stuff. The county lost that court case. Citizen and law enforcement action groups could not let the Deputies and Judge get away with the crimes. Retribution happened against the corrupt ones, and their careers were destroyed. Orders were given to mess with the corrupt ones as much as possible. Their lives were made miserable after doing those criminal activities. The criminal acts of corrupt law enforcement officials in Illinois were not tolerated by the good people in law enforcement or citizen action groups. The Illinois Supreme Court decided in a unanimous 9-0 decision to settle the issue for good. Law enforcement could not illegally arrest citizens. It took a lot of effort to apologize for the illegal activities of the corrupt Deputies and Judge. The punishment was agreed upon by the citizen action groups and the authorities that handed down the punishments. The punishments acted as a signal to what would happen to others that did the illegal stuff. Things have been much better since the punishments happened. Eventually, the Federal Judicial system determined that Illinois did more illegal stuff with firearms, and Illinois became the last state to honor the Natural Rights to defense and enact concealed carry. Many of the good Sheriffs knew that Illinois was doing illegal stuff with the ban on concealed carry, so those counties had concealed carry by policy. The Sheriffs and State's Attorneys declared that they would not enforce any of the illegal laws in Illinois. About half the counties adopted this policy and honored the rights of all citizens.
+Ryan Scott I wasn't aware that there was ever an Illinois Supreme Court case on the issue. Interesting stuff! Last I heard the cook county states attorney said they would prosecute anyone that was arrested for fanny pack carry and all the street cops just laughed a little and went on with business as usual.
We hold free training classes on this same exact topic for the Assistant State's Attorneys in Cook County a couple times a year. Ethical people do not want innocent people arrested and charged with crimes when no crime was committed. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for civilians, but sometimes ignorance of the law is an excuse for false arrests. Knowledge of firearm laws is very important for good community relations, and it is the right thing to do. It took a lot to get the CPD to stop illegally arresting Indiana residents for not having a FOID card. The Supreme Court helped us put an end to that maltreatment of Indiana residents. They can now carry a concealed firearm in their vehicle in Illinois when driving to and from work, if they have an IN concealed carry permit. Just like you mentioned very well in the presentation, there is a need to know the statutory law AND the applicable case law. The law is also so disjointed in Illinois that references to other statutes and case law must be added to make sense of the law. Not all the firearm laws are contained in the same section of ILCS, and other administrative bodies give their interpretations of the law when the law is unclear (everywhere). We try to make sure that the Assistant State's Attorneys get a chance to learn the law in a friendly environment and also have an opportunity to use handguns and rifles. We also help them understand how completely insane the firearm laws are in Illinois. Drive a few miles east into Indiana, and the laws are so different in a good way. The Assistant State's Attorneys get a chance to understand the perspective of IL laws, compared to other states. A Police Officer like you that understands firearm laws is so refreshing. Keep up the good work; it does make a difference. Cooperation between citizens and law enforcement is so important. We are on the same team much more often than not. Officer 401, Mike the Cop, and you do an excellent job.
Thank you, I try to do the best I can to be an ambassador for my profession and the shooting sports/2A community. What organization do you work for if you don't mind putting it out there?
I work for one of the concealed carry training and firearm training companies in Chicagoland. I know less than 0.1% of ILCS as it relates to criminal law. Police Officers and Deputies have a much broader and more complete knowledge of criminal law than I do. I am able to super focus on the statutes and case law as it relates to FOID and CCL holders. If a Deputy makes an honest mistake, it is usually not that big of a deal. If a civilian makes an honest mistake in the wrong circumstances, things can get pretty bad. It is easy to understand the laws for a trip to Pelcher's or Glenwood for target practice, unloaded and in a case. When a citizen is carrying a handgun for self-defense, a more complete understanding of the law is necessary. Part of that knowledge includes handing issues with a law enforcement officer, especially if that officer is not familiar with the firearms laws in the state. There are more productive techniques to make sure that everyone understands what the law is and is not. It is pretty cool that CCL holders and law enforcement cooperate, and there really aren't many issues with civilians and carrying handguns with a CCL. Mutual respect and an understanding of everyone's role goes a long way. The unconstitutional ban of handguns in Chicago has left generations of citizens without the benefit of carrying and using firearms. It will take a long time to undo the damage that began 35 years ago with the 1982 handgun ban.
Everyone has their own laws and impose them on other people, or expect others to obey them. The group willing to use the most violence, cops, prevail most of the time. Now and then an individual will enforce their own laws and kill a cop. People complaining about cops breaking the law makes no sense to me. There is no "The Law". The cop may be breaking your law, but what does your law matter to a cop? Everyone is responsible for protecting themselves; you make your own laws and either enforce them or you don't. Just my observation.
(625 ILCS 5/1-116) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 1-116) Sec. 1-116. Driver. Every person who drives or is in actual physical control of a vehicle. (Source: P.A. 76-1586.)
wastool OC is pretty unregulated. A taser is considered a firearm because the law says to. That is all the law needs is to say so. The best part of law is that it doesn't have to make any sense at all! *Grumbles to self about the futility of life*
Get this too... A taser is a firearm, but not a gun so with a ccw permit in Illinois Joe blow could carry a desert Eagle half out his pants cocked and locked and bee cool, but not a taser c2.
Amazing. TASERS are completely unregulated in Ohio. CCW only applies to a deadly weapon or dangerous ordinance concealed kept and readily at hand. Not that the laws in Ohio necessarily make any more sense. Until recently any firearm capable of firing 32 rounds without reloading was defined as a machine gun.
+wastool Yeah, lots of states up here have their quirks. I really don't know what the taser deal is with the state legislature. Any bill introduced to add tasers to the ccw statute or make a taser permit go nowhere fast.
free field training I have had a person after looking at my belt ask "why do you have 2 guns?" When I explained that one was a Taser he said "but don't Tasers kill people" jaw dropped.
Why are the laws so complicated? Well one reason is, for the most part the laws are written by lawyers (law makers) who have a vested interest in making the laws so complex you will need to hire an expert in the law (a lawyer) to deal with legal problems. If the laws was straightforward and logical ANYONE could practice law and lawyers would not be needed. This is the mess you get when you let lawyers write laws.
One man's fairness is usually unfair to the next man. Especially once lawyers get involved. I did say it was ONE reason laws are complex. There are other reasons, but I'm betting that if we made it so lawyers were not involved in making laws, laws would be a lot more simple, and likely more fair.
How does this all reconcile with Federal Firearm Transportation laws? For instance, I am from Indiana, with a CCW License (note: License) that is not reciprocated by Illinois. I typically go with gun in safe, unloaded, in trunk, ammo in cab, when traveling interstate. You're missing some pieces here, I think. Also, with grouping of AND and OR, parenthesis matter, and you're not using them in a purely mathematical sense that makes a whole lot of sense. I've enjoyed your other videos, but this one got me to comment! :)
+Chris Alcorn Illinois actually accepts all US state issued ccw permits for pass through. So, if you have an Indiana ccw you can carry a handgun on your person while in your car to drive through Illinois. 430 ILCS 66/40 (E). The state also preempts local units of government (counties, cities, townships, park districts) from creating ordinances that conflict with the state ccw law. 430 ILCS 66/90. So, chiraq or bumblefuck County can't say your permit isn't good for pass through inside their little teaspoon of power. Be aware that there are some LE notification requirements and if you are out of your car and not actively putting the gun in the trunk your ccw is no good. Overall though, Illinois law allows for much more than federal transport statutes do at least as far as handguns are concerned. For long guns, the Illinois state police have a pamphlet they put out which is available here: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.dnr.illinois.gov/hunting/documents/transportyourfirearmlegally.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjK3cu6kvHVAhVh7oMKHYU2DjAQFgglMAA&usg=AFQjCNFguqtjFH8J3tUuZXOYjyXAd5_2Cw Basically, it mirrors federal transport laws, which mirror Illinois statute except non Illinois residents are not required to have a Foid card. Though this video is not meant to be all inclusive of every overlapping statute, (I think I said that) when the federal statute allows a behavior that is specifically allowed by state law there is no sense taking it into account. The federal transport laws only effect states and jurisdictions that do not allow non residents to enter the jurisdiction with a firearm. Illinois hasn't had such a statute ever as far as I know, but Indiana, until very recently, did not allow Illinois residents to possess or transport a handgun in their state. So, in that case the federal transport laws would apply if all the provisions of the law were met. As far as parenthesis, they are not used in a mathematical sense when used in statute numbers here. They are simply a way of differentiating between sections, paragraphs, and sub paragraphs. Each designating the next smaller subset. In our case, the "E" in 430 ILCS 66/40 (E) (1) refers to the paragraph that lays out the circumstances in which a non resident can carry a gun and the "1" to the stipulation that the paragraph only applies to those who are not prohibited from possessing Firearms under federal law. I know Illinois laws are an ungodly mess to understand but when you break down the actual provisions of the gun laws they are not nearly as onerous as people give them credit for. Plenty of places especially are far far worse. Though the Foid card thing still makes me scratch my head.
+Brian Murphy As a former truck driver I am already familiar. Like I said in the video, the exemptions written into the law are extensive and there is no way I could cover them all in one video, or a six hour series of videos on Illinois Firearms laws. This was just on that one section of one chapter of one portion of just Illinois law. (and even in there there is an exemption for out of state residents transporting Firearms through Illinois)
Yeah I saw that. I didn't know that about truck drivers in IL and considering it an abode. I guess it does not apply if they are driving though. FOPA is kinda interesting, because it's only an affirmative defense in court. You are still screwed even if you win the case.
+Brian Murphy well, yeah, but so is hr218 but we managed to convince Wisconsin to stop arresting cops driving through their state. Keep in mind also that most of what cops learn isn't taught at the academy, far from it. Guys get out of the academy knowing the bare minimum to not die or go to jail, then they get a few months with an FTO (like me) who teach them the finer points of doing the job and fill in the gaps. Then everyone gets at least 8 and in some cases 40 hrs of in service training a month for the rest of their careers. Well, at least they are supposed to.
show me a statute that includes the Constitutionally mandatory enacting clause that is supposed to appear after the title and before the body of said law. without an enacting clause, there is no way to know if it's a private or public law. FURTHER Marbury v. Madison if a law is found to be in conflict with the Constitution, then the law is invalid. THEN you'll be challenged to prove that any alleged law applies to anyone "even if an enacting clause is included" just because they are physically within a given geographic area..
Put up or shut up.. show me a statute with an CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED ENACTING CLAUSE! YOU CAN'T! and statutes that strip out the enactment clause cannot amend a constitutional mandate or do you believe otherwise??
My take away from all this was cops will arrest you and don't give a s*** what the law says that's a judge to figure out. Hopefully your lawyer can figure it out because ignorance is no excuse.
I have a question for you Free Field Training. What evidence do you rely on that because of my physical location in Illinois the constitution and code apply to me?
do you have to or would you enforce a law you think is both morally and constitutionally wrong, or just either? for example, here in colorado not many sheriffs support the ban on magazines over 15 rounds. most don't care and know that it's unconstitutional and not enforceable.
Officer discretion is a wonderful thing. If I was an officer in Co there is no way I would enforce that law, my state doesn't have a silly law like that so it's not a problem for me.
If you know about firearms no, carrying with one in the chamber is almost always the way to go. Some people think it's better to keep the chamber empty because the IDF does it but they have their own reasons. Paul Harrell did a great video on the subject if you are interested.
I don't for three reasons: 1) My carry striker-fired hand gun doesn't have a safety. 2) A chambered cartridge has enough pressure on it that if the same cartridge is chambered long enough it's been known to work the primer lose so when the striker hits it, the primer cartridge moves when hit with the striker instead of staying locked in place, causing a light primer strike. This can be resolved by changing the chambered cartridge to a new one on a regular basis. 3) I avoid places and people where trouble breeds. The chances of me having to do a western style quick draw are virtually none.
So I got 2 questions. What are you thoughts on the website knifeup.com it lists knife laws for all 50 states. Also what are your thoughts on high schools teaching what laws there are in the place the person lives?
+jaime munoz I have never found a knife law website that understood that Illinois requires intent to use the knife unlawfully against another in it's uuw law about knives, making much of the advice they give very inaccurate, at least for here.
+Philip Lewis that might really work. You could carry a cage with it in there that had a one way gasket to throw over a person's head... Like execution by rat only with a cat.
I had to use NC Penal code text bok on criminal law... The professor was trying to make a point of it that A LOT OF ON THE BOOKS, are so damn contradictory, it wil say this is that is that is this, and I cant remember what it was but it had 12 statutes, we were told to find what we thought was the right law that the person had broke. Long story short 20 mins later half of the class was telling the other half to, refer to that case, the other half said no that was an exception, the other was like, NO IT WAS REVERSED !. I told the professor he was evil... We all had a laugh and said, our own government doesnt know its laws
And there was a lot of bookmark usage in my book. I love studying this, I love loking at case law and it how its evolved, its comes all naturally. I love it
What I hear is YOU- the citizen- need to know ALL these laws, but an officer just needs to arrest you and let YOU figure it out. Sounds like a cop-out to me (pun intended).
okay let's take that statute for instance. Freddie gray had a assisted opening knife with him. if you quote on quote legal experts on TV said that an assisted knife was it automatic knife and that he wasn't legally allowed to have it. But the statute that you're referring to makes a difference or differential between an assisted opening knife or a knife with a push button mechanism that is used to assist the opening of an knife. And simply adding a thumb stud or something attached to the blade to assist in the opening of The Knife is not the same statute as that included with an automatic knife, like or equivalent to a button mechanism.
Nobody “knows” the law, but anybody can learn how to find the law. If you want to know how to do legal research and gain an understanding of the complexity of the law and the sources of the law read “Legal Research” by Nolo: store.nolo.com/products/legal-research-lres.html If you want to look up the law, your local courthouse should have a law library. It should also have access to Westlaw which is like Google for court cases, statutes, regulations and such. Westlaw has annotated statutes which provide links to relevant court decisions regarding every statute. This makes is easy to read how the courts have interpreted the law. This page has a bunch of downloadable User Guides for using Westlaw: legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.com/law-products/Custom-Search-Categories/CustomSearchCategories/Searching-Westlaw/c/60006
So long story short. If you like guns, don't go to Illinois.
or California, or New York, or Massachusetts or Connecticut, etc. etc. etc....
Wlvrtnjm while I would never defend the disorganized mess that is Illinois gun laws, I would like to point out that we as a second amendment community have made great strides in recent years in Illinois. Ten years ago each municipality could entirely make it's own weapons laws, there wasn't even a mechanism for ccw, any guns brought into Chicago from any reason had to be registered with Cpd, only cops could register handguns in Chicago that weren't already registered prior to some year in the 80's, and Illinois residents could not even possess a handgun in neighboring Indiana. (Indiana was upset about it's residents getting hemmed up by Illinois law so did the same to ours.) we are now shall issue ccw, local ordinances are preempted by state law and all must honor ccw permits, handgun magazine capacity laws were all struck down, and we recognize all carry permits from any state for "pass through" Illinois. (valid as long as you are in your car). Finally, Indiana recognizes our ccw permits. Oh, yeah, and we got SBR's back... Working on suppressors still, we managed to get them back for Swat teams, but everyone else we are still working on. (there was no exemptions even for active on duty working federal and local police/swat/military) Astounding.
+Wlvrtnjm no, come here! We are improving and we need more pro gun voters!
nope. staying in Texas.
+Wlvrtnjm come on, we got pizza. You like pizza? Lol
It would be nice to have an app or database to run key words though it for quick reference.
jdel56 Utahs is all online. I have a shortcut for it on my phone and use it all the time
jdel56 there is an app for Georgia I use the search bar for quick reference but I always go to the book after I reference the app it makes it so much quicker.
Travis Emmert just go to your App Store and type in Georgia penal codes
The full text of statutes at least is online in every s tate I am aware of.
+D Rogers I've don't the same thing with the municipal ordinances because they react online.
I hope you do officer discretion in your next vid and how body cams, policy, and liability can affect it.
Freddy J working on that one, it will be awhile but I'm getting to it.
good call Freddy J
I mean they can't know every Law that is but why do they get special expmtiion when there are trained in the law
A tldr of what my FTO taught me: everything is illegal, there are just exceptions.
You're wise beyond your years Tommy!
Of course, I don't really know how old you are...(grin)
LEO Round Table He's 250 years old.
LEO Round Table it's not the years brother, it's the milage.
Ha, hopefully you'll read this before you're banned from his channel (grin)
+LEO Round Table we don't ban many people here. I prefer to make examples.
I appreciate all your videos man I really do you and @officer401 have the best informational police pages I've seen anywhere, i am always watching all of yall's videos and I am always taking any advice that you two give out. I just turned 22 may 9th 2017 and as of today may 11th 2017 just passed my citizenship interview only waiting to take my oath next, now there's noting that can stop me from applying to my local PG county police in Maryland, you two have really shaded some light on so many questions that I had before in so many of your videos, thank you both so much please don't stop making videos you two are awesome🙌🏾🙌🏾
karimu amadu I'm glad to help brother, good luck on your journey!
Great to hear you talking down to your audience
As a student studying law, CTRL+F is my friend
Truck driver to cop? Now that's a video!
Matthew Graves lol, a sad story of caffeine and boredom.
Complexity of the legal system and legislation reflect the complexity of reality and all possible permutations of the intent, knowledge, forethought and expectations of an individual. AND it is a helpful reminder of the need for the 5th amendment, or international equivalents because though not encoded in the piece of constitutional law itself, Supreme Court case law recognises that the sheer vastness and complexity of criminal law could cause someone to contravene an aspect of this nebulous body of information without knowledge or intention. And since ignorance is not a defence, there must exist a sanctuary for the individual (innocent, not guilty or guilty) to occupy until they are in a position to obtain expert legal advice and the required knowledge and understanding so well-expressed in this video of just one aspect of one paragraph of one subsection of one section of criminal law.
20:00 Case law on cases!
I enjoyed the brief refresher on statutory construction. It's a highly in-depth process and you covered some of the high points well. For anyone that's interested, there's doctrines of overbreadth, vagueness, and preemption just to name a few that could impact a law in this area as well. Not sure if I heard you wrong, but the FOIA card is only needed when transporting a firearm unloaded and in a case, not when it's broken down or not immediately accessible. The placement of the and is only in (4)(iv)Though, I'm not an expert on IL firearms law. Thanks for the video.
lefend nope you have to have a Foid for almost everything here if you are an Illinois resident. Out of state residents have to have their local carry permit.
free field training - Correct, IL residents need a FOIA card for almost everything. I don't see where you're getting the have the local carry permit though. As I'm sure you know, some states don't issue permits so this would cause an issue for them. Plus, if you're just traveling through IL you would likely be covered under the federal protection of the Interstate transportation of firearms act. (18 U.S.C. § 926A) Thanks for responding.
+lefend Nobody said Illinois law was perfect, surely not me. I'm just saying that is what is written. In reality most of what is written isn't enforced at all when it comes to the technical minutiae. Reasonableness is a double edged sword. I still have to convince the states attorneys to prosecute and if I hemmed up some poor guy who was otherwise legal transporting his gun through Illinois because he didn't have a slip of paper proving he was legal they would laugh at me. Illinois also accepts all US carry permits for pass through (so as long as you are in your car you are good with a handgun) making most of these requirements a non issue for anyone who can carry in their home state.
It is just like flying or working on aircraft. There is no way to do either without breaking some law of some sort. I guess government law makers are mostly lawyers and same for judges. I look at it like if doctors spread illness on purpose so we need to go to the doctor,
now we have to go to other doctors to fix our illness and so on and so forth. Lawyers makes us hire lawyers to keep us safe from other lawyers (judges).
r aeronca there is definitely truth in that. Just look at Congress, how many lawyers in there? I bet more than half of them.
Jesus Christ weapon laws are a pain in the ass in Illinois.
Here in Texas Black Powder guns are antiques and you have to be at least 18 to buy them and are not firearms, a vehicle is the extension of your home and you may carry and defend it as you see fit. We deleted all state melee laws recently so you can carry any knife, hatchet, or fucking battle axe. No permit is needed to open carry any long gun on your person that includes shotguns, rifles, and "assault" rifles. No magazine restrictions or ammo type. That's how it is here even in major cities like Houston and Dallas TX so it's not like it's a strictly rural thing.
We do still have a concealed carry permit for pistols but just requires a background check and accuracy qualification.
If you can hit your target and not a felon you should have one in just a couple of weeks.
Having and carrying a black powder pistol in Illinois is like spinning plates while jump roping and we don't even consider it a real firearm here.
Since you're talking about weapons and transport and all that, what are the laws behind martial arts weapons? How can I carry/transport my nunchucks/staff(big stick)/Kama(blade)???
+Anna Gabrielle man, that is a bit of a mess here. Most you can just throw in the trunk, but throwing stars?.... Oh, boy are those illegal! Why I will never know.
haha well I don't have any throwing stars lol. I kinda wish though!!
Why do cops not KNOW the damn law? It's out of hand. No other job would accept such incompetence!!
Try watching the video and you might learn something
He lost me at "as a police officer"
And this is why I'm not going to be a lawyer
What amazes me is that all 50 states have different criminal codes. In Canada we have provincial responsibilities and federal responsibilities. So Canada has all-in-one criminal code, because that is a federal responsibility.
Whereas as each province has a separate Highway Traffic Act.
Such a good video Tommy! I've said it before, you are the Professor!
FuzzFam now, if I could just lose 30 pounds and learn how to spell I'd be in business.
A couple years ago my dad and I went to the AIM Grand National Trapshooting Championship in Sparta, Illinois, we had 12 shotguns and probably 3000-4000 shotgun shells in the back of the car, good times.
"I'am, The LAW" Judge Dredd
Question: If a truck driver has a firearm (say, a Glock 19), in his sleeper, and he has a carry permit from his state but is traveling in another city or state where it's illegal to have a concealed weapon, and he gets pulled over and the cops ask if he has any weapons in the vehicle, does he have to answer if he doesn't have to answer in his home state? If so, and if it's illegal to have a loaded firearm in the certain state or city where he gets pulled over, can he goto jail for it or is it ok for him to have it because he's from another state where it's allowed and he has a permit? For example, Florida has a "weapons carry license" that is "reciprocated" in other states. A person with a Florida permit can carry in Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. But in the other states not listed that a commercial driver may have to travel through, does the law of his home state take precedence? Or is it the laws of the city and state he's in? I've had trouble finding a clear answer about this! Great video! thanks!
+JaDo Steele the laws in the place you are in apply. However, federal law does give a level of protection when transporting Firearms that are unloaded and not immediately accessible through other states. Google "firearm owner protection act." I will warn you though that this is most often brought up as a defense in court and not as a work around on the street. The burden is upon you to know the applicable laws of the places you are in as far as notification, and I couldn't rattle them off to you for every state either.
If only this guy was KING. Guaranteed a cop or a wanna be cop.
I been up all night watching the vids making crazy amount of comments lol but love your vids and your honesty.
Basic law: in Texas I don’t have to show I’d if I am not suspected of a crime. Cops cannot force me to if just because I am walking on a puny side walk taking pictures of buildings or homes. They don’t seem to know this. Or don’t care. Their law is you can’t deny them anything they ask for.
So I can drag my weapon, on a lanyard, behind me was I walk down the road? ....I'm not carrying it officer /trolling ...
+Recovering_Californian lol, good luck.
FYI, in California and a number of other states underage sex is not a strict liability crime. Strict liability made a lot of sense back when the age of consent was 10 or 12. It makes less sense to have to convict a 21-year-old of a felony for having sex with a mature looking 17-year old with a fake ID that he met in a bar.
Interesting. Statutes and how they are applied vary state by state obviously. But, I honestly thought that was strict liability everywhere. Where does the burden of proof lie in those cases in California?
A problem I see here in CA, is that most Peace Officers don't know the difference between law and department policy. The law is always above departmental policy and departmental policy is created to aid Officers to work in tandem with the law and the needs of the department. The big problems involve policies regarding "shooting policy", "Officer Safety" and "sexual misconduct" since they are in constant conflict with the ever changing laws. Policy is also created by administration without consulting the City Attorney's Office or County Council.
+TacticalSoleSurvivor yeah, that sounds like a bad Administration problem.
Oh God it's like the academy all over again. The or/ and discussion is great. As a philosophy major there are many cases where "or" can have different meanings. It's an old school problem that comes from latin where there were inclusive (vel) and exclusive (aut) versions of the word "or". In english it only one word "or", and since a lot of laws start in latin the confusion ensues.
+GriffonAriac it's all Greek to me.
the constitution should be considered first.
+IN THIS DAY AND AGE the US Constitution is the limiting document of other laws so you have to understand the other laws first and then take into account the Constitution which is primarily a matter of understanding the case law where is interpreted by the courts. The tough part about case laws I said the videos that it's always changing so things about the Illinois UW law that we looked at here have changed in the last 10 years and change for the better in my book.
I noticed you said its a document of other laws, not sure what you mean by that. are you referring to state laws of today?
+IN THIS DAY AND AGE I was using talk to text. Sorry.
IN THIS DAY AND AGE let me try that again... The constitution is the check on other laws and we have to consider it through the lens of case law applicable to the issue at the time we are interpreting. It is literally impossible to consider the constitution first on matters of state law as we have to understand fully the state law at issue before we can know what case law applies. This also changes with time at a far greater rate than statutes do. No law exists in a vacuum.
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Bearing in mind that you can't give legal advice; if I as an out of state truck driver were to enter your state with a cased, unloaded, out-of-reach handgun, do Illinois laws allow you to arrest me? - if there is no ammo in the semi, just the cased, out-of-reach handgun, do Illinois laws allow you to arrest me?
Assuming you can legally possess a handgun under federal law an encased unloaded handgun that is not immediately accessible should not be a problem. It is also my understanding of Illinois law currently that if you have an out of state carry permit you can legally carry under that permit while driving a vehicle in Illinois for pass through. You can't get out with it, but as long as you are in the truck you should be OK. Now, having said that Illinois Firearms laws change faster than most people change their underwear so if you have any questions about the current state of what you can or cannot do under the current laws I suggest contacting the Illinois state police Firearms unit at 217-782-7980. They can batter direct you on how to stay out of trouble while traveling through and staying in Illinois as an out of state resident or permit holder.
I have a Minnesota permit to carry. As I mentioned, I'm a truck driver. But I'm also working on my 2 year AAS degree in Law Enforcement with hopes of becoming a licensed peace officer in Minnesota. My sole purpose for wanting to bring it with me is to spend time each day drilling with it (while unloaded). I won't be bringing ammo along - no need for it. It would seem somewhat counterproductive to get charged with a felony for breaking the law while I'm studying to try to become someone who enforces it. :)
You briefly mentioned truck driving; I'm OTR. I know this is very very broad but would transporting a firearm inside my truck through a state where it is prohibited be in violation of their laws? For example, where I'm at, large capacity magazines are legal. However, if I was stopped in IL, would I instantly be committing a federal felony by possessing illegal firearm related items? I'd really like to have some mechanism for self defense in my truck but I'm afraid of breaking some pretty serious laws here. Thank you.
+Diesel head the state of Illinois doesn't have a ban on large capacity magazines.
FOPA needs to be discussed if you are going to use Illinois draconian gun laws.
The legal system has a fatal flaw from the beginning and here's why...if ever there was a day when the perfect set of laws existed by which to properly and fairly govern the people and society, the question is "what would the lawmakers do to keep their jobs next week?" and the week after? Or a month later? What about next year? What do the lawmakers do to keep their jobs? Well, they have to rewrite some laws! They have to keep making new ones and constantly changing the old ones, which worked just fine in this example, just to keep their job positions. The whole system is fundamentally flawed. Just my 2 cents.
+JaDo Steele I really can't disagree with that. Though there are many things that lawmakers do other than make criminal laws. People only think of the criminal side, but most of law is procedural, ie keeping government functioning.
How broken down does the gun need to be to qualify as "broken down? Are we talking about completely disassembled, or would removing the barrel be enough?
It says "in a non-functioning state" well just removing the firring pin would make the gun nonfunctional, but you may not know it won't work with just a quick glance at the gun
Yep, there is no easy definition I've found, though in practice nobody breaks the gun down to a non functioning state to transport it especially without unloading it and putting it in a case anyway.
I was thinking about someone who wants to carry, but can't get a card. They would want to stay legal, but still be able to make the gun functional quickly.
Though that type of person doesn't usually worry that much about the law.
+Eric Taylor if you can't get a carry permit in a shall issue state it is because you are probably not legal to own a gun at all. Really a non issue where I'm at. Our ccw law really is more a tax and an inconvenience than a way to stop people from getting a permit. It is like the NFA. If you can buy a gun you can probably get a tax stamp, the background check requirements are about the same.
First video of yours I've seen. Very well done and thorough. Subscribed.
They don’t have to know the law to lock your ass up, but YOU have to know all the laws!
Word of the day OBFUSCATION!
Hi Tommy. as a Brit, can you clarify why there are Federal, State and Local laws in the US, which take preciident and why? Thanks
Charles Stonebridge lol, that's the BEST part. Every layer of government has the ability to hit you with any charge they want. The only limitation is on substantially similar charger (it is called double jeopardy) the government has to only charge at one level. It is literally up in the air about which one they use until they get together and decide via unofficial committee.
I enjoyed this video. It is rare to find officers out there that understand mens-rae as the element of the crime. I think I'm going to show all of my work buddies your videos. You should see a lot more views headed your way.
+Gregory Lane I could only hope man, thanks!
I like the "FOID OR CCW" because anyone with a CCW in Illinois has already got a FOID card because they have to pay thier TAX to the state before they can go buy their gun.
+Gadsden Jim last I heard the state actually loses money running the Foid program. It is $20 and the card is good for ten years, hardly more than an inconvenience for first time buyers. The taxes specifically on ammunition and guns by many municipalities is an entirety different issue.
The part where it says OR in an abode of another with permission. Does that mean you have to have their permission to be on their property? OR does it mean you have to have their permission to be on their property AND have their permission to have a firearm on their property?
+StarWarsFreak2111 Well, now that is a good question and one that would be an issue for case law.
I've been watching these free-carry second amendement videos. Cops don't seem to know how to react. In Canada, it's simple: use the Criminal Code statute on intimidation.... In Canada.
For Canadian LEOs, the gun laws are the same throughout Canada. Entirely different topic in Canada.
I've learned that your phone can be a useful tool I have an app on my phone for Georgia laws statues and penal codes I use the search bar to quick reference the codes and that saves a lot of time and makes it a lot easier to find in the books If I even have to slightest doubt I always go look it up. I can't tell you how many times that app has come in handy.
Another phenomenal video. Keep up the great work!
+S&W M19 glad you liked it brother!
They should digitize it to make it easy to search keywords.
Stupid observation since it says "tazer OR firearm" you could make the argument that if you do carry both you might fit into the exemption because as you said they don't expect you to carry both. Anybody willing to try that in court?
I'll pass on being a felon for fun.
Al crimes do not require a victim. Only suits at common law over $20. Civil suits. In criminal law there is no requirement that there be a complainant other than the government. That is pretty clearly spelled out in the constitution.
John Suggs no I'm just being literal and pedantic. Since there is a difference between " and " and "or" and presumably "and/or" the exact wording of the law. Sounds like it's only illegal to carry one without the other. Think of it in terms of logical operations in programing.
So if transport alone requires a state FOID card, how does one legally drive through the state transporting a firearm to another destination? I know there is case law about legitimate use for traveling between destinations for lawful purposes though I can't quote them, eg the case about connecting flights in states with more restrictive laws than either the start or destination that was dealt with in New York. If I transport a firearm that is legal in my state to a state where it is also legal, do I need to drive around IL. since I don't and can't have a state Firearms Owner ID card?
+Matt Herring No, not really. There are boatloads of exemptions written into the law. The Illinois state police Foid office actually has a pamphlet online that explains many of the key issues including out of state residents transporting through Illinois.
I was open carrying my Wilson combat 1911 on my own property and while standing in my front yard I had two police officers pull up really fast one pulling into my grass on my property and the other flew into my driveway and both opened their doors and took concealment behind their doors while yelling orders to me to face away from them and then to throw my pistol on the ground and walk 15 feet backwards towards them and in which I complied ( even though I knew I was 100% in compliance with the Illinois law) and then while walking backwards I was tackled and treated like shit. they took my ID and my f.o.i.d card and still hauled me to the county for 5 hrs and my attorney chewed them up and spit them out. my attorney wanted me to go after the dept. in a whole but I did not think that would be fair due to the two idiots that where there that day.
+Matthew May there are hacks in every profession brother... Every profession.
Iowa has some strange ones as well. Everything is controlled mostly by the DNR . When I moved here from Nevada if I had not asked about laws regarding actual self defense shooting situations all the guy who taught the CCW class would have talked about is the hunting laws.
+dakken551 lol, that sucks. They need to start having the prosecutors giving the self defense portions of ccw classes. At least then people would know which if their fear are founded and which are not.
It was strange to me coming from a less rural community. I am glad I pressed the point coming from a state that has open carry with no permit, castle doctrine, and stand you r ground laws. I found out the laws here were drastically different. Up until about a month ago even in your home you had to prove that you had retreated as far as possible. In a bad situation I could have ended up doing 20 years without that information.
I love your advice. Thank you for doing these videos and please keep it up!
+Kali Ma it is my immense pleasure
Anyone know how that FOID thing applies to people from out of state? Can't imagine you'd need to get an IL ID to transport a firearm into the state for competition or hunting if you bought it and could otherwise own it in your home state that doesn't have cucked gun laws.
You don't need a foid or special permit, but there are transportation requirements. There is a brochure the illinois state police put out that you might find helpful here: www.ispfsb.com/Public/Faq.aspx
@@freefieldtraining Oh sweet, thanks! I didn't realize IL recognized Texas LTC. Guess I don't need to change any of my habits next time I go to IL.
“Good cops look it up before they make an arrest.”
I don’t know a single “good cop”.
very interesting. heres a idea why not make cops like veterinarians? vets go to school longer than docs and can do many things on a general level that docs can. why not make all cops a bar lawyer then allow them to be police? aside from time constraints this would streamline state budgets from waste as well as giving us the best and brightest?
+adamshattuck1985 lawyers don't know every law either. It is a misconception that attorneys somehow would be able to make split second legal decisions any better than anyone else. It takes lawyers WEEKS to prepare for a trial. It takes judges HOURS to make a decision on a case. Both sit down and look things up. Most of law school is not pertinent to criminal law. Ask any lawyer, they will tell you law school is mostly a waste of time for them too. Just like getting a criminal justice degree for cops. Where they, and we, learn how to be a good at our jobs is in practice with people who have done it.
Also, I take exception to the very notion that lawyers are smart, let alone the "best and brightest". Have you met public defenders? Lol
I've got a question, but it may not be easy for you to answer. Let's say you get a call about domestic violence at an old folk's home, now you have reasonable suspicion. If you knock on their door, and the male says nothing happened, and so did the lady (Because they usually are afraid), how would you carry out the situation?
Adding one more detail.. what if the daughter was the only one who said the male threatened and assaulted the lady. Would you arrest him, even if you don't know 100% that the daughter is telling the truth?
+Richard GrimesLSRP I can't possibly answer that, domestics are tricky and there are so many things to take into account that aren't, and couldn't be in your discription. If there is probable cause I arrest for violent offences. But, that is a complicated balancing act on domestics.
Okay, thank you. Yeah, I suppose it's difficult, hah.
Wow!! So glad I live in Florida where our vehicles fall under the Castle Doctrine. Our only requirement for NON CCW citizens is the handgun has to be "enclosed". Enclosed has been defined as either in a glovebox or center console OR even a snapping or velcroed holster.
+Trigger Happy why wouldn't you get a ccw though?
free field training I do, because I like to carry it on my person. I was just stating the difference the laws are, even for those that don't want to carry or get a CCW but still want to have a firearm in their vehicles and homes.
free field training I have a question on something my family has had discussions on, sometimes a little heated. Maybe you as a trainer could chime in on...
I come from a family that all males are ex or current military or ex or current LEOs with a couple that are both. My uncle is retired from the Orange County Sheriff's Dept. Both his twin sons are also deputies of OCS. My uncle retired after like 35 years and worked everything from street cop, Narcs, to Detective before retiring. He only pulled his firearm twice in his career and never fired it. BOTH his sons had not only pulled and fired their side arms but killed a suspect. We all got into a discussion one Thanksgiving and were discussing this and it came down to, what we think, is training. Newer cadets are trained more like us in the military than my uncle was. Right down to putting 2 in the chest and one in the head and double tap. In my uncles day, ONLY SWAT trained this way. Do you think that the way many departments train more like the military and less like "peace officers" is why we have more officer involved shootings? My uncle can't stand that this is how they are now trained and that we have militarized the police in both training and gear. I'm on the fence and see both their sides. There is a much longer story that goes on the side of my cousins that I won't go into here. I don't like seeing our cops wearing the same gear, driving the same vehicles and carrying the same weapons I did in Iraq, but I also want to continue to see them every Thanksgiving, also.
+Trigger Happy if you look at the statistics from those days as well you'll see the police work was a lot more dangerous of a job. When we talk about militarization of police we have to be careful of that we're actually using facts. Lots of the equipment that people talk about as being military equipment was in fact originally designed for civilian law enforcement including some of the tactics and training. I was never around in the 50s to know what the training was like exactly from that time. I can't tell you though that there is an enormous difference between an officer who works somewhere that was very slow and only pull their gun out of their holster twice in 30 years and someone who works in an area like I do where the guns are coming out on a daily basis. I think some of what you're seeing talking to these gentlemen isn't so much a generational shift as it is a contextual one.
+Trigger Happy you also have to look at the technological changes and advancements in training, threats, and equipment from then to now. Body armor radically changed the way LE trains. So did our understanding of human anatomy, the effects of pcp on the body, changes in civil liability, and application of the OODA loop concepts.
Back to context though, I have friends who work both the far north, south, and west sides of Chicago, currently. The north siders have stories about "that one time I pointed my gun at a guy". On the south and near west sides we call that a normal Tuesday. Training and equipment is identical.
I love watching on CZcams arguing with a police officer that he doesn’t have to show his drivers license or even to roll his window completely down. It never turns out good for that person.
That’s a bold claim in the title to say the police don’t know the law
Might report for misleading information
Turn off auto focus, get a small lens mount it and record
+Æíxìlïmar I'm a cop not a videographer homie. I'm learning as I go here.
Do I need to get in touch of the people made the book, are the person advertising the confidential book.
Illinois gun laws just gave me headache... Lol
Greetings from Florida!
You and me both...
insanity. seriously. out west here (not kalifornia) it's much easier to comply with the law. there is NO reason it should be this complicated. reminds me of the pharisees.
skip davis check your DM's laws. I bet they are a mess. Those are the worst.
Okay so what if the civilian has a CCW and is carrying it on their person while driving? Would they still need to break it down, or unload/into case or lock it up even if they were traveling a short distance to like say a grocery store?
+wickzed productions ccw is a whole separate statute. And no.
The Bruner case in Illinois decided that it was legal to carry an UNLOADED firearm in a case, and a case included a purse, backpack, fanny pack, gym bag, and others. Two corrupt Deputies from the neighboring county to the west falsely arrested an individual for fanny pack carry of an unloaded firearm. Ironically, Cook County knew better than to do that illegal stuff. The two corrupt Deputies and the corrupt Judge did some pretty illegal stuff. The county lost that court case. Citizen and law enforcement action groups could not let the Deputies and Judge get away with the crimes. Retribution happened against the corrupt ones, and their careers were destroyed. Orders were given to mess with the corrupt ones as much as possible. Their lives were made miserable after doing those criminal activities. The criminal acts of corrupt law enforcement officials in Illinois were not tolerated by the good people in law enforcement or citizen action groups. The Illinois Supreme Court decided in a unanimous 9-0 decision to settle the issue for good. Law enforcement could not illegally arrest citizens. It took a lot of effort to apologize for the illegal activities of the corrupt Deputies and Judge. The punishment was agreed upon by the citizen action groups and the authorities that handed down the punishments. The punishments acted as a signal to what would happen to others that did the illegal stuff. Things have been much better since the punishments happened. Eventually, the Federal Judicial system determined that Illinois did more illegal stuff with firearms, and Illinois became the last state to honor the Natural Rights to defense and enact concealed carry. Many of the good Sheriffs knew that Illinois was doing illegal stuff with the ban on concealed carry, so those counties had concealed carry by policy. The Sheriffs and State's Attorneys declared that they would not enforce any of the illegal laws in Illinois. About half the counties adopted this policy and honored the rights of all citizens.
+Ryan Scott I wasn't aware that there was ever an Illinois Supreme Court case on the issue. Interesting stuff! Last I heard the cook county states attorney said they would prosecute anyone that was arrested for fanny pack carry and all the street cops just laughed a little and went on with business as usual.
We hold free training classes on this same exact topic for the Assistant State's Attorneys in Cook County a couple times a year. Ethical people do not want innocent people arrested and charged with crimes when no crime was committed. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for civilians, but sometimes ignorance of the law is an excuse for false arrests. Knowledge of firearm laws is very important for good community relations, and it is the right thing to do. It took a lot to get the CPD to stop illegally arresting Indiana residents for not having a FOID card. The Supreme Court helped us put an end to that maltreatment of Indiana residents. They can now carry a concealed firearm in their vehicle in Illinois when driving to and from work, if they have an IN concealed carry permit. Just like you mentioned very well in the presentation, there is a need to know the statutory law AND the applicable case law. The law is also so disjointed in Illinois that references to other statutes and case law must be added to make sense of the law. Not all the firearm laws are contained in the same section of ILCS, and other administrative bodies give their interpretations of the law when the law is unclear (everywhere). We try to make sure that the Assistant State's Attorneys get a chance to learn the law in a friendly environment and also have an opportunity to use handguns and rifles. We also help them understand how completely insane the firearm laws are in Illinois. Drive a few miles east into Indiana, and the laws are so different in a good way. The Assistant State's Attorneys get a chance to understand the perspective of IL laws, compared to other states. A Police Officer like you that understands firearm laws is so refreshing. Keep up the good work; it does make a difference. Cooperation between citizens and law enforcement is so important. We are on the same team much more often than not. Officer 401, Mike the Cop, and you do an excellent job.
Thank you, I try to do the best I can to be an ambassador for my profession and the shooting sports/2A community. What organization do you work for if you don't mind putting it out there?
I work for one of the concealed carry training and firearm training companies in Chicagoland. I know less than 0.1% of ILCS as it relates to criminal law. Police Officers and Deputies have a much broader and more complete knowledge of criminal law than I do. I am able to super focus on the statutes and case law as it relates to FOID and CCL holders. If a Deputy makes an honest mistake, it is usually not that big of a deal. If a civilian makes an honest mistake in the wrong circumstances, things can get pretty bad. It is easy to understand the laws for a trip to Pelcher's or Glenwood for target practice, unloaded and in a case. When a citizen is carrying a handgun for self-defense, a more complete understanding of the law is necessary. Part of that knowledge includes handing issues with a law enforcement officer, especially if that officer is not familiar with the firearms laws in the state. There are more productive techniques to make sure that everyone understands what the law is and is not. It is pretty cool that CCL holders and law enforcement cooperate, and there really aren't many issues with civilians and carrying handguns with a CCL. Mutual respect and an understanding of everyone's role goes a long way. The unconstitutional ban of handguns in Chicago has left generations of citizens without the benefit of carrying and using firearms. It will take a long time to undo the damage that began 35 years ago with the 1982 handgun ban.
I wish tommy would teach my criminal justice class. Lol
He can be taking into the Washington DC Federal saprrme court
I'm pretty sure there are quite a few idiots who would take their legal advice from a random guy making videos in his garage.
I AM THE LAW!
The Red Duke Arminius lol, yeah they are out there.
lol That's how sovereigns interact. Well, except at family reunions ; )
What does the Illinois State Constitution handle the Federal Constitution in regards to firearms? That should be the ultimate judgement.
Everyone has their own laws and impose them on other people, or expect others to obey them. The group willing to use the most violence, cops, prevail most of the time. Now and then an individual will enforce their own laws and kill a cop. People complaining about cops breaking the law makes no sense to me. There is no "The Law". The cop may be breaking your law, but what does your law matter to a cop? Everyone is responsible for protecting themselves; you make your own laws and either enforce them or you don't. Just my observation.
What's the legal definition of the word driver.....
(625 ILCS 5/1-116) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 1-116)
Sec. 1-116. Driver.
Every person who drives or is in actual physical control of a vehicle.
(Source: P.A. 76-1586.)
How is a Taser considered a firearm? is OC spray considered a knife or perhaps a dangerous ordinance.
wastool OC is pretty unregulated. A taser is considered a firearm because the law says to. That is all the law needs is to say so. The best part of law is that it doesn't have to make any sense at all! *Grumbles to self about the futility of life*
Get this too... A taser is a firearm, but not a gun so with a ccw permit in Illinois Joe blow could carry a desert Eagle half out his pants cocked and locked and bee cool, but not a taser c2.
Amazing. TASERS are completely unregulated in Ohio. CCW only applies to a deadly weapon or dangerous ordinance concealed kept and readily at hand. Not that the laws in Ohio necessarily make any more sense. Until recently any firearm capable of firing 32 rounds without reloading was defined as a machine gun.
+wastool Yeah, lots of states up here have their quirks. I really don't know what the taser deal is with the state legislature. Any bill introduced to add tasers to the ccw statute or make a taser permit go nowhere fast.
free field training I have had a person after looking at my belt ask "why do you have 2 guns?" When I explained that one was a Taser he said "but don't Tasers kill people" jaw dropped.
Why are the laws so complicated? Well one reason is, for the most part the laws are written by lawyers (law makers) who have a vested interest in making the laws so complex you will need to hire an expert in the law (a lawyer) to deal with legal problems.
If the laws was straightforward and logical ANYONE could practice law and lawyers would not be needed.
This is the mess you get when you let lawyers write laws.
Eric Taylor a problem since the beginning of lawyers. I would also like to blame the concept of "fairness"
One man's fairness is usually unfair to the next man. Especially once lawyers get involved. I did say it was ONE reason laws are complex. There are other reasons, but I'm betting that if we made it so lawyers were not involved in making laws, laws would be a lot more simple, and likely more fair.
Own this channel, are you use a channel to talk about the organization of the book.
Can mo. Residents own silencers in illinois i have a few cop buddies in illinois we like to target shoot did yall ban the ar15 in your state?
How does this all reconcile with Federal Firearm Transportation laws? For instance, I am from Indiana, with a CCW License (note: License) that is not reciprocated by Illinois. I typically go with gun in safe, unloaded, in trunk, ammo in cab, when traveling interstate. You're missing some pieces here, I think. Also, with grouping of AND and OR, parenthesis matter, and you're not using them in a purely mathematical sense that makes a whole lot of sense. I've enjoyed your other videos, but this one got me to comment! :)
+Chris Alcorn Illinois actually accepts all US state issued ccw permits for pass through. So, if you have an Indiana ccw you can carry a handgun on your person while in your car to drive through Illinois. 430 ILCS 66/40 (E). The state also preempts local units of government (counties, cities, townships, park districts) from creating ordinances that conflict with the state ccw law. 430 ILCS 66/90. So, chiraq or bumblefuck County can't say your permit isn't good for pass through inside their little teaspoon of power. Be aware that there are some LE notification requirements and if you are out of your car and not actively putting the gun in the trunk your ccw is no good. Overall though, Illinois law allows for much more than federal transport statutes do at least as far as handguns are concerned. For long guns, the Illinois state police have a pamphlet they put out which is available here: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.dnr.illinois.gov/hunting/documents/transportyourfirearmlegally.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjK3cu6kvHVAhVh7oMKHYU2DjAQFgglMAA&usg=AFQjCNFguqtjFH8J3tUuZXOYjyXAd5_2Cw
Basically, it mirrors federal transport laws, which mirror Illinois statute except non Illinois residents are not required to have a Foid card. Though this video is not meant to be all inclusive of every overlapping statute, (I think I said that) when the federal statute allows a behavior that is specifically allowed by state law there is no sense taking it into account. The federal transport laws only effect states and jurisdictions that do not allow non residents to enter the jurisdiction with a firearm. Illinois hasn't had such a statute ever as far as I know, but Indiana, until very recently, did not allow Illinois residents to possess or transport a handgun in their state. So, in that case the federal transport laws would apply if all the provisions of the law were met.
As far as parenthesis, they are not used in a mathematical sense when used in statute numbers here. They are simply a way of differentiating between sections, paragraphs, and sub paragraphs. Each designating the next smaller subset. In our case, the "E" in 430 ILCS 66/40 (E) (1) refers to the paragraph that lays out the circumstances in which a non resident can carry a gun and the "1" to the stipulation that the paragraph only applies to those who are not prohibited from possessing Firearms under federal law.
I know Illinois laws are an ungodly mess to understand but when you break down the actual provisions of the gun laws they are not nearly as onerous as people give them credit for. Plenty of places especially are far far worse. Though the Foid card thing still makes me scratch my head.
Getting specific would be too much to ask
I like how you drink coffee at the start of each video
+Domo Bro 👍👍👍
Gets even better when you have two case laws on the same issue with different rulings haha
Ben Cunningham ain't that the truth.
Do they train you in FOPA and interstate transport at the academy? I'm assuming no.
+Brian Murphy As a former truck driver I am already familiar. Like I said in the video, the exemptions written into the law are extensive and there is no way I could cover them all in one video, or a six hour series of videos on Illinois Firearms laws. This was just on that one section of one chapter of one portion of just Illinois law. (and even in there there is an exemption for out of state residents transporting Firearms through Illinois)
Yeah I saw that. I didn't know that about truck drivers in IL and considering it an abode. I guess it does not apply if they are driving though. FOPA is kinda interesting, because it's only an affirmative defense in court. You are still screwed even if you win the case.
+Brian Murphy well, yeah, but so is hr218 but we managed to convince Wisconsin to stop arresting cops driving through their state. Keep in mind also that most of what cops learn isn't taught at the academy, far from it. Guys get out of the academy knowing the bare minimum to not die or go to jail, then they get a few months with an FTO (like me) who teach them the finer points of doing the job and fill in the gaps. Then everyone gets at least 8 and in some cases 40 hrs of in service training a month for the rest of their careers. Well, at least they are supposed to.
show me a statute that includes the Constitutionally mandatory enacting clause that is supposed to appear after the title and before the body of said law. without an enacting clause, there is no way to know if it's a private or public law. FURTHER Marbury v. Madison if a law is found to be in conflict with the Constitution, then the law is invalid.
THEN you'll be challenged to prove that any alleged law applies to anyone "even if an enacting clause is included" just because they are physically within a given geographic area..
+ocsob007 the fact that you believe that is how laws work is just mind blowing. Lol
Put up or shut up.. show me a statute with an CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED ENACTING CLAUSE! YOU CAN'T! and statutes that strip out the enactment clause cannot amend a constitutional mandate or do you believe otherwise??
well? can't even produce ONE containing a constitutionally mandated enacting clause?? imagine my lack of shock!
wonder if you can use that book as a vest?
Orange Juice it's probably better
+Orange Juice lol
My take away from all this was cops will arrest you and don't give a s*** what the law says that's a judge to figure out. Hopefully your lawyer can figure it out because ignorance is no excuse.
I have a question for you Free Field Training. What evidence do you rely on that because of my physical location in Illinois the constitution and code apply to me?
do you have to or would you enforce a law you think is both morally and constitutionally wrong, or just either?
for example, here in colorado not many sheriffs support the ban on magazines over 15 rounds. most don't care and know that it's unconstitutional and not enforceable.
Officer discretion is a wonderful thing. If I was an officer in Co there is no way I would enforce that law, my state doesn't have a silly law like that so it's not a problem for me.
+Chris Jones I think this deserves to be a separate video.
free field training that would be awesome!
So as you said, too many laws and restrictions on the "free" people of this nation.
So it's ok that they don't know what the law and arrest you then tell you to short it out with the judge. The my personal experience.
Isn't one in the chamber considered to be very bad?
If you know about firearms no, carrying with one in the chamber is almost always the way to go. Some people think it's better to keep the chamber empty because the IDF does it but they have their own reasons. Paul Harrell did a great video on the subject if you are interested.
I don't for three reasons: 1) My carry striker-fired hand gun doesn't have a safety. 2) A chambered cartridge has enough pressure on it that if the same cartridge is chambered long enough it's been known to work the primer lose so when the striker hits it, the primer cartridge moves when hit with the striker instead of staying locked in place, causing a light primer strike. This can be resolved by changing the chambered cartridge to a new one on a regular basis. 3) I avoid places and people where trouble breeds. The chances of me having to do a western style quick draw are virtually none.
So I got 2 questions. What are you thoughts on the website knifeup.com it lists knife laws for all 50 states. Also what are your thoughts on high schools teaching what laws there are in the place the person lives?
+jaime munoz I have never found a knife law website that understood that Illinois requires intent to use the knife unlawfully against another in it's uuw law about knives, making much of the advice they give very inaccurate, at least for here.
cool thanks for the info. Would have responded sooner but for some reason youtube is not telling me when i get reply on a comment.
In the state of Illinois, is it legal to carry an attack cat for self defense? Just wondering.
+Philip Lewis you can get in real trouble doing that depending on the size. A tiger or lion is a definite no go
I was thinking about a tabby cat. You know, 1 you can fit in a holster. :)
No, was just gonna lather it in water every time I need to use it.
+Philip Lewis that might really work. You could carry a cage with it in there that had a one way gasket to throw over a person's head... Like execution by rat only with a cat.
Lmao! xD
I had to use NC Penal code text bok on criminal law... The professor was trying to make a point of it that A LOT OF ON THE BOOKS, are so damn contradictory, it wil say this is that is that is this, and I cant remember what it was but it had 12 statutes, we were told to find what we thought was the right law that the person had broke. Long story short 20 mins later half of the class was telling the other half to, refer to that case, the other half said no that was an exception, the other was like, NO IT WAS REVERSED !. I told the professor he was evil... We all had a laugh and said, our own government doesnt know its laws
And there was a lot of bookmark usage in my book. I love studying this, I love loking at case law and it how its evolved, its comes all naturally. I love it
Good video. Thank you.
Very good video
What I hear is YOU- the citizen- need to know ALL these laws, but an officer just needs to arrest you and let YOU figure it out. Sounds like a cop-out to me (pun intended).
2:20 you didn't even make it to 2:20 for Christ sake.
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okay let's take that statute for instance. Freddie gray had a assisted opening knife with him. if you quote on quote legal experts on TV said that an assisted knife was it automatic knife and that he wasn't legally allowed to have it. But the statute that you're referring to makes a difference or differential between an assisted opening knife or a knife with a push button mechanism that is used to assist the opening of an knife. And simply adding a thumb stud or something attached to the blade to assist in the opening of The Knife is not the same statute as that included with an automatic knife, like or equivalent to a button mechanism.
So you have a complaint with your legislature, state attorney general, and/or county prosecutor. Why the hell are you bitching here?
Not bitching the laws are ambiguous and liberal judges will win for liberal prosecutors in an upside down bizaro world.
This cop is in denial about general ignorance cops have of basic laws involving citizens rights.
Crazy story man...
Great videos even for FD...be safe
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+kevin Johnson yep, excellent resources.
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