The reasons Alpine is to blame for losing Oscar Piastri to McLaren in F1
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- Oscar Piastri will race for McLaren in Formula 1 next season after the team successfully completed an opportunistic swoop for a driver Alpine thought would be its long-term future.
A four-person panel for F1’s Contract Recognitions Board ruled unanimously that the only contract to be recognised for Piastri was the deal he has with McLaren, which covers 2023 and 24.
McLaren reacted to the verdict by immediately announcing Piastri as Lando Norris’s team-mate for next year, while a short statement from Alpine thanked the CRB, saying it acknowledged the decision and considered the matter closed.
There was also a major revelation in the CRB ruling, as it said the deal between McLaren and Piastri was signed on the fourth of July. That was the Monday after the British Grand Prix, which was much earlier than many believed to be the case.
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Honestly it's difficult to feel sympathy for Alpine in all this. They spent far too long messing about with Piastri, and Alonso, and for their slowness have lost both drivers
Perfectly said !!
Agree although I feel there’s more to this story.
The problem with Alpine is basically their indecision (just like Ferrari) on who to prioritize. They don't want Alonso to be given a multi-year deal and Piastri was left out too long and cast to Williams. They can't prioritize anyone so they loose everyone.
They haven’t even given Piastri an FP1 drive yet. Seems weird when he is already there every weekend.
@@lmcclymont Piastri hopefully driving for McLaren could bring big for McLaren.
It's not like Young Driver Programmes are meant to actually coach & improve drivers. Its just about hoarding talent so its not used against you & then throwing them away afterwards. The teams have had this coming for a long time.
So how do you expect other talents to come up through the ranks then? The upcoming contracts will be mega tight now, Piastri/Webber just set a precedent.
@@Xboxracer1 good
@@Xboxracer1 and hopefully the drivers say no to that clause or FOM/FIA stops them from owning someone.
See: Red Bull Drivers' Program.
Should all be scrapped, or somehow limited to give folks more freedom.
Ahh the “Chelsea FC method” during the 2000’s/2010’s?
Alpine left it too late. Piastri gave them a deadline they failed to meet it. He found another option I see no issues
Alpine definitely dropped the ball on this one. How can they let Piastri go like that? Oscar signed a contract with McLaren on July 4th. That means he was a free agent at that time. Otmar will likely get fired
@@fixitmonkey8947 not to mention that they also lost a highly performing Fernando Alonso. Alpine management is in deep trouble for those 2 massive losses.
@@fixitmonkey8947 I think it's on Rossi not Otmar's fault
@@EliteSkid123 I think we may see Otmar and alpine mutually agree to separate
@@postrich4071 yeah... but Rossi is the Boss. When is it ever the Boss' fault
Loyalty is a two way street. Alpine would gladly keep Piastri waiting if they could get someone “better.” Piastri made the right move.
They already did exactly that by trying to hold onto Alonso. Alpine have no one to blame but themselves for playing the game that way.
You're both clueless beyond words.
Somehow there was a contractual out for Piastri. Alpine didn’t cover their bases. Their fault.
@@toyotaecw Xxi d4
They weren’t trying to find anyone they deemed better, they were trying to secure their current driver who has won the F1 championship twice… far more than piastri has done
Essentially Mark Webber did a really good job for Piastri.
110%.
And tbh for Ricciardo too. He gains 21mil and probably ends up at Alpine (who are currently faster than McLaren).
@@alias19 like they reported firmly that Ricciardo was staying? 😂😂.
@@lmcclymont Why would Alpine consider Ricciardo? Pierre Gasly would be a far better option he is cheaper and he's been more consistent over the past few years than Ricciardo.
@@alias19 Marko and Gasly are talking with Alpine because he wants his driver to have a seat before he sells AT to Porsche
As a Japanese, we remeber Ukyo Katayama in his prime. He was so good despite being in a Yamaha powered Tyrell, Benneton at the time offered him a drive before Michael Schumacher. Katayama knew the Benneton was quicker, but stayed loyal, and saw Schumacher take his seat, and win the title.
Schumacher later told Ukyo that his decision was wrong, and that drivers and teams, along with their loyalty were equal. Katayama was stuck in the midfield, and his career remained meh
Shows why in a sport like F1, you need to be ruthless even if it’s harsh
@@motorsportfanboy7769 ill let you a little secret .. its not only in sports...
@@Gunnl Oh yeah that's definitely true but considering were only talking about F1, I only acknowledge sports.
Katayama could've been a real championship winner! Let's hope Yuki could one day do it for us!
The whole episode has been a tawdry example of the worst of F1’s cut throat corporate culture, but Alpine massively overestimated and overplayed it’s hand, and have only themselves to blame.
Yeah, if any employer wants you to be 'loyal' to them or tries to insist you're like family they're just trying to exploit you. I have zero qualms about how Piastri handled this, he did what he needed to do for him and the only casualty was a big corporation's ego.
@@ELSTERLING Pedro Acosta should've been driving for McLaren anyway.
Its because of the "cut-throat corporate culture" that the sport is able to achieve such a high level of worldwide success throughout the last few decades.
@@kuyt20 since 1988 actually.
@@kuyt20 - that ‘success’ has come at a cost, and the sport is poorer for it.
The fundamental problem is that all the teams are trying to lock up and coming drivers into contracts without having any actual rides. All teams are doing it, drivers are just a commodity
This is not new
It's why Formula 1 should be allowing Andretti to get on the grid.
I mean it won't be a problem if the contract is well designed
What?? McLaren took a huge risk to sign a driver with a huge upside.
@@user-lw4hz5hx5h lol ... I mean Nikita Mazepin blows that theory out of the water.
We all know how well Otmar treated Perez after the Racing point take over… I don’t have any sympathy for him… crocodile tears.
You can’t be upset at not securing a driver if you don’t ensure the contract is in place and enacted.
I find it a little rich that Otmar demands more integrity and loyalty from Piastri. Yet as soon as Vettel became available a couple of years ago, he gave Checo the boot. It goes both ways, bub. I would have picked Vettel over Checo as well, but if you want to survive in this sport, you have to be ruthless. And that is exactly what Piastri did. Good for him.
Looks like Alpine didn't even know what was in their own contract. They look like complete amateurs. How embarrassing 😬 I still wonder about the culture at Alpine given that both Alonso & Piastri would rather take their chances with teams lower down in the standings. It certainly seemed toxic under Cyril.
It's worse than that, they didn't have a valid contract. Because of this the CRB award costs and have to pay Mclaren 500K in legal fees.
@@louiscypher4186 Unbelievable. I've got to imagine that someone's getting fired over this.
They can't put this on Cyril. There are deeper issues at play there.
@@lukeearthcrawler896 like being stereotypically French
cyril isn't working for alpine anymore since may 2021....look it up on wikipedia.
Loyalty has rarely been important in F1. Especially with Manufacturers.
And also Team Boss.
Did you mean important, or emphasized? There are some drivers who were loyal, what about Lauda
I'm watching Formula 1 since 1995. What I have noticed is that teambosses are ruthless so as a driver you have to be ruthless as well in order to survive and get the best out of your dice rolling. If you're a wanted young driver then you have to be even more ruthless otherwise you will be wasting your first F1 years at the back of the grid with a risk being forgotten by the topteams.
Piastri and his management did the right thing here, in F1 there is no place for sentimemt.
Really fits the title of Formula 1: Drive to Survive on Netflix because of this mindset.
Exactly. I think it's a bit absurd that anyone even considers giving any credibility to Otmar straight up slandering Piastri, that was nothing more but a nasty attempt at antagonizing the driver.
Alpine cost Piastri a full year out of what should have been the start of his F1 career
Otmar talking about integrity like we all mystically forgot he oversaw the RP team that copy and pasted the W10 is both hilarious and absurd.
With all the comments he made over the last month I can see him getting sacked as the fall guy to try and save some face for Alpine.
Not to mention how he did Perez dirty. That was just not right.
@@sta1055 how did he do Perez dirty?
Oscar has been treated pretty harshly but I feel he made the best deal given all the unknowns at the time. No guarantees and Williams was not a great situation.
He was treated more than fairly
When he signed it was either drive with Wlliams until Alonso leaves or take a risk with McLaren.
He chise wisely.
@@A1readyDead no, he was not. Getting rented out for Williams is not a fair deal.
He didn’t agree with a contract parking him at Williams, that is why he signed to McLaren, but he could have told his employer he signed a contract with an other team, not telling them is a little dirty and does not look good on him, he is already burning bridges Alonso style even before driving a single lap in F1.
@@wilwilsky who said he didn’t tell Alpeen? And they didn’t have a contract in place - Alpeen should have asked before that dumb tweet.
Wow, I'm surprised. I genuinely thought the whole thing was much less straightforward than this. Alpine really bungled this one!
N C Scheckter, i bet that Piastri moving to McLaren is quite a surprising one. Like Prost moving to Ferrari in 1990.
Its even less straightforward and even worse looking on Alpine than they make it look here. Failed deadlines, almost costing Piastri SL because they didnt even sign him to the reserve driver role for 22 until the day before the season started when they rushed it through. Alpine even did some extremely dodgey stuff potentially illegal stuff by fudging dates on documents.
@@alexsmith32012
I have since watched and read a few more things, it's "straightfoward" in the sense that it was 101% Alpine's fuck-up, and their moral posturing since has been laughable. Like, sure, they invested in Piastri, but that doesn't give them the right to act like he's their property and essentially just lead him on. The fact that they can't acknowledge that is baffling, especially with all of those (you are 100% right) dodgey contract shenanigans at play.
@@Nikelaos_Khristianos The "investment" is overstated. Piastri apparently had total sponsorship of $3 million dollars in F2 & F3, and Alpine apparently only covered $500,000 of that. He does the job of winning F3 & F2...and they don't promote him to F1 in 2022, and had nothing secured for 2023! Best case scenario: he would be in a Williams (still useless in 2022), or still off the grid as an Alpine reserve driver for 2023.
Congrats to him and Mark Webber for getting his deal done!
Ayumu Uehara and Webber to Ricciardo: Multi 21 Ric. Multi 21.
3:25 Oscar probably didn't appreciate being one of three drivers for two seats. You made him guarantees but they weren't guarantees. If Fernando had stayed, and you couldn't work out another deal, Oscar would be test and reserve driver for a second year in a row. Don't act like that couldn't have happened. Renault was on its way to completely screwing Oscar over.
Just take responsibility instead of crying like you always do. The only reason this guy is team principal, is that he brings BWT sponsorship. The rest of it is just "clown shoes"
I don't blame him. Who would want to sit around to 2025 when they can get it now. F1 is the absolute very top and he got it.
FINALLY! The F1 media are stepping back on psychological blackmail of labeling Piastri a Traitor and Lacking integrity. All along Alpine were behaving with open arrogance in courting Alonso in the paddock and the media, as such it's little wonder drivers are seeking opportunities elsewhere. I'm sure if given the chance Alpine would have dropped any academy driver if it catered to their needs... How dare a driver reciprocate in the same manner.
While true, teams have the money and therefore the power. Piastri may someday face the music for his confidence.
@@EMichaelBall Too true but he's in the Pro league now and we will get to see if the lad can shine as bright as all the other young guns in the padock now.. eg Russel LeClerec, Verstappen, Jo, Yuki, Sainz. At last the gaurd is changing in F1. :)
@@EMichaelBall Nothing unreasonable that Piastri has done. He rewarded Alpine's investment in him by winning F3 & F2 (something only Russell & Leclerc have done, who got immediately promoted to F1). Gets relegated to reserve driver with nothing lined up (by 31/7/22) for 2023. He's already 21, and if you think that's "too young" to make such a fuss to get on the 2023 grid then please note that (current F1 world champion & runaway 2022 leader) Max Verstappen was 17 when he made his F1 debut, and Lando was 18 or 19 when making his F1 debut.
You really can't blame Piastri here. Webber was doing his due diligence, recognising that Alpine didn't want to prioritise his development, so he found a better drive for his client. If Alpine are so cut up, maybe they should've worked harder to get him a drive. Szafnauer is just trying to deflect.
Webber would have been incompetent if he let a 2023 drive for Oscar slip by
@@timjohnun4297 But he didn't and frankly he did a fantastic job of it.
@@teabagtowers3823 I agree, 100%
@@teabagtowers3823 This aged very well.
Otmar says 'Piastri should have shown more integrity' and I also often hear the words 'Piastri should have shown more loyalty towards Alpine'. Possibly that's true, but it is Otmar's job as a team boss to manage the drivers and frankly it seems he dropped a bollock on this one.
Not sure Alpine is run that way where Otmar is in charge of the drivers. I suspect someone else is in charge for driver contracts, etc. similar to how Horner isn't in charge when it comes to drivers at RB and Marko is.
I don't see where Pisatri lacked any integrity and there is no loyalty Alpine is entitled to. Drivers have to look at what is the best option to them and nothing that Alpine did before Alonso decided to leave was the best option for Piastri.
@@cidiracing7481 you're correct he has 0 say In contracts or drivers that's power belongs solely to laurent Rossi
@@cidiracing7481 Yep I get that, I'm possibly wrong in laying the blame at Otmar's feet when I don't know for a fact that he personally dropped the ball rather than someone else in the team......but someone surely did, and Otmar is the team boss. There seems to be a real disconnect within Alpine. It was well within their grasp to have the optimum choice of drivers between Alonso, Ocon and Piastri (possibly Gasly and Schumacher), and yet they are left floundering. Hmmm I'm still looking at Otmar for direction (or lack thereof).
Otmar and integrity in the same sentence. 8-)
@@MrArchie800 bro what?
'When I don't know for a fact he personally dropped the ball'.
We know he didn't drop the ball we've KNOWN he didn't drop the ball. How is it possible for a man to drop the ball he never had in the first place?
Laurent Rossi has been in charge of contracts even before otmar go there. He was the one who did both Fernandos AND Oscar's contract
Alpine should not be upset about this, they had till 30 June to put him in a car for 2023. They failed to meet the contract deadline as Williams never said they would give Oscar a drive and were never an option so you can forget all about that side bar, it's not relevent. Something people seem to forget is that Oscar was for 2022, not only Alpine's reserve driver but also reserve driver for both McLaren and Mercedes and could have driven for these teams if needed. You think that they would just put him in the car without first having him familiar with it? Both these other teams understand Piastri's potential even if Alpine did not.
Spot on
@@taz8808 Renault Alpine had the right car for Piastri.
@@damarfadlan9251 piastri is a generational talent. He will be just fine.
@@damarfadlan9251 piastri is a generational talent. He will be just fine.
Alpine: We don't understand why is Alonso leaving so suddenly, we would've offered him 1+1 or more deal if he performs well
Also Alpine: We don't understand why Oscar didn't want to wait for that possible option for coupla years
The issue is that Piastri didn't tell Alpine he was looking for another seat even tough they kept financing his test drives. CRB ruled in his favor, he did nothing illegal but that was cleatly two-faced and selfish.
And they knew that he had signed for McLaren! He found a better option for himself rather than going on loan to Williams for possibly 2 years. Fair play. It only became a issue when Alonso dumped them. They tried to play both sides and lost out. It happens. It's F1. This only became such big news because Alpine couldn't except their mistakes.
The statement they released about him was pretty low. He's a new driver, did a good job finding a good seat for next year, they should have just wished him well. Putting out a statement like that just shows a lack of class and is embarrassing. A knee jerk reaction of people who've messed up trying to cover their own mistakes by blaming a young kid. Not a good look.
I suspect Ocon had something to do about it too.
Ocon defending Alonso costed both of their position. It was inappropriate timing. Its not his first time either, from Perez to Alonso, Ocon has a problem.
I don't understand your point tbh, if anything it shows how the person to "blame" for this is Alonso and not alpine? It's not alpine's fault that they only have 2 cars. They were gonna loose one of Piastri or Alonso either way, an i fully agree with their decision that Alonso was the better option. It's not their fault that Alonso decided that he just really wanted to be a tractor driver suddenly. If Alonso had been honest about the fact he was going to Aston, oscar wouldn't have started negotiations with McLaren in the first place.
@@baileyjones4379 I'm just speculating but I think it all started from Ocon's contract extension. Alpine was being too greedy for trying to keep Ocon, Alonso AND Piastri. It would've been fine if the seats competition is a three way battle but extending Ocon's contract made it clear that they're not committed enough to either Alonso or Piastri
An F1 team is a business. There's no question of loyalty or "owing" or immorality or integrity here. You're paid to do a job. It doesn't make you a bad person to put yourself first.
Thank you!! I see all these comments talking about why certain drivers should stay or not stay but it seems people have forgotten that this is Formula 1! The pinnacle of Motorsport where most teams LOSE money. Therefore they don’t have time to waste around with “personalities” like Danny Ric. Sure he smiles a lot, but can he secure points? No? So they have no need for him. Loyalty is very thin in F1 and understandably so.
I like Daniel Ricciardo as a person. We all knew he's a good driver as he can even win races on the 3rd fastest car in the grid
But even then, I can't even defend him from his performances at McLaren in the last few months as Lando is able to score points in most races despite the car being much worse in pace compared to last year.
As George Russell said, "in F1, consistency is key" to have a long F1 career.
Wishing Daniel the best.
If he fails to find a seat next year, I'm sure Hollywood will give him a place there 🤣🤣🤣
I feel like you're being a bit too forgiving of Alpine attempting to forcefully recruit someone when they didn't have the legal grounds to do so.
And then instantly turning on a young driver when they realised they messed up. Doesn’t look like integrity to me.
Alpine speech about loyalty is nonsense. They would not hesitate one second to sacrifice his chance of getting into F1 if they could keep Alonso. This maneuver from Piastri was genius and fair.
It was an attempt by Otmar to redirect attention away from the contractual error , priests and politicians use a similar tactic when they get caught out.
Lessons I learned from post-college is you need to be proactive for your own future. So props to Oscar for not falling under the loyalty banner
This is a very good and considered video but I have the following, I believe , important points to make. The CRB say in their statement that there was only one contract and that was with Mclaren. So there was no legal Alpine contract for them to consider. Perhaps there was a letter of intent or an agreement with the Academy but clearly no binding F1 contract. After the ruling Alpine say they regard the matter as closed. If they were going to press for compensation they would have said this at that point. In reality with no contract tying Piastri with Alpine on July 4th when he signed for Mclaren they have no right to any compensation as Mclaren simply signed someone who was a free agent. So the cost to Mclaren over and above what they already had agreed to do when they signed Daniel is just Piastri wages which may be 1 million or less in his rookie year. Worth every penny if he performs as well or slightly better than Daniel especially as he has a two year contract. I dont blame Otmar as he wasnt around when Piastri should have been signed properly but this was a major error by the senior management of the team who took their eye off the ball.
Agreed. If the contract isn't valid, there's no basis for claiming compensation.
That’s how it seems. Not sure why Alpine went on so long when they didn’t have a contract with him
@@richtes Corporate arrogance.
@@richtes because it's shameful for them to lose former champion and potential champion in one night...That shows how incompetent the team was
you can blame Otmar for all the baseless bluster he has been feeding the media these past few weeks - a less generous person may call them fibs. They have made it quite apparent why people are not willing to "trust" them in their intentions towards anyone
I am actually wondering why drivers seem to steer away from alpine at this point because they seem better than mclaren at the moment.
Because the management is horrendous and if your in their young driver program you will probably never get a seat at alpine. If Alonso hadnt left suddenly then Oscar would have been chucked to williams for 2 seasons
especially with Mclaren running solidly behind Alpine atm......
@@RaptorV1USA How much of that is McLaren and how much is that Riccardo not getting used to the car?
@@tristianwilson3497
Excellent point
Norris seems to be in contention with Alpine drivers
@@RaptorV1USA If Riccardo had gotten somewhat used to the car and had accrued half of Lando's points, Mclaren would be ahead of Alpine in the constructors. I think it is right for Mclaren to gamble on a untested rookie in the car for next year, how much worse could he be than Danny Ric is performing at the moment?
Laurent Rossi handled all of these Alpine contract negotiations. He tried to hold both drivers on a string, thinking they had no other options, but he failed to understand the timeline and smallprint of these negotiations. He's been foolish and now he's angry, blaming a young driver just for having ambition. Some key staff have walked out on him now and if Gastly doesn't play well at Alpine, this could go badly for him.
What if gasly somehow deny them or red bull won't release gasly to alpine
@@kevinhanandi had Gasly moved to Alpine, Alonso wont move to AMR.
@@kevinhanandi gasly under contract until 2023 with no release clauses He can get out but he/or Alpine has to buy out the remainder of his contract + a payment to RBR for the inconvenience of finding another driver. Plus he won't be cheap in terms of salary. Alpine/Renault is partially owned by the French government so they're going to have a hard time trying to explain why they need 10-15million euros to buy out a contract + driver salary. Honestly Danny Ric isn't going to be asking for a big salary and they can sign him on probably team friendly terms something like 1+1 year team option with a performance release clause to see if he truly is washed up. They have Doohan in the jr program and that gives them time to figure out what they want to do with either Ocon who is off contract in 2024 and Doohan who will be more than likely be in f2 another year. Just hope they actually do contracts and negotiations properly this time around
Wait!! So Apline had the best old & young driver in the market. They couldn't commit anything long-term or competitive to both of them. Now both drivers are looking for their best interest it is somehow pastri's fault?? WTF!!
It is questionable whether Laurent Rossi has the competence to manage Alpine. Ask Alain Prost. Alonso figured that out quickly and abandoned the doomed ship. So did Piastri. It's a pity to see Rossi lose all the talent he had in the team in such a way. Well, except Ocon, that is. What a shame.
I hope that Aston Martin will prove worthy for Alonso because F1 needs him.
Alonso left because they didn't wanted to give him a multi years contact, not to " abandon a doomed ship ", and when Piastri signed for McLaren he had no idea Alonso would leave and he would have a place at Alpine next year. I love how people talk about this team as if it was a complete disaster and they were 30 seconds behinds everyone else when the team keeps getting better and better since the beginning of the season, and has reached a level of performance which is one of the best they've achieved since I don't know how many years
And by the way talking about Alonso leaving because he apparently knows the team is a "doomed ship" is pretty ironic considering all his horrible career choices in F1
The funny part of this is Alonso's mechanics, engineers, Rossi (head of Alpine) and de Meo (head of Renault) knew about Alonso joining Aston Martin.
None of them told Szafnauer (Alpine F1 team principal) about it.
I'm asking myself what is going on at Alpine. Where has the communication gone.
That's just crazy.
Yes the rumours about Rossi's management style are not good at all. Alpine seem to be radioactive, for Gasly the question is who is less toxic, Rossi or Marco?
@@shaun2072 They both have a totally different function.
But if I had to choose the less toxic, I would say Marko.
Sure, he talks a lot. But he gets the good job done. And if the drivers do so too, there is nothing to fear about Marko.
Rossi on the other hand is quite, almost invisible. This makes him unpredictable.
Lauda said once that he very much appreciated Marko. Discussions with him are honest, efficient and straight forward. No place for BS with him.
Just watch the amount of great drivers in F1, FE or WEC that went through Marco. He gave lots of guys the possibility to be professional drivers. We can't deny his achievements.
Rossi could not even manage to get one young talent a seat as we have seen with Piastri.
Who do you think is less toxic?
@@sesvid Whatever he's like a person, I guess there's no doubt Marco seems competent at his job.
Based on public statements so far, I get the distinct impression that Oscar saw things in Alpine he just didn't like. Forcing him to continue to work there would have likely led to further bad blood and attitudes, not good for either driver or team.
Even Alonso jumping ship either shows a bad working environment or that they have no long term plans in place.
@@mafiousbj along with Riccardo, Prost and zhou guanyu previously leaving. Definitely something going on there.
@@seashackf1 I didn't know Zhou had left the program! Thanks for the heads up!
@@mafiousbj He left the program the moment he signed for Alfa
Shocking. Team does what's best for the team and a driver does what's best for him.
This is only such big news because Alpine made a mess of it, and instead of taking it on the chin they spat the dummy out.
Just another day in F1!
shocking is alpine and ottmar bitching and crying about integrity. cringe.
someone at Alpine deserves the sack for this shambles - they've wasted a small fortune training up a driver for their direct competitor, and also lost a double world champion in the same month...
@@GamezGuru1 Makes you wonder why Alpine placed so much faith in Ocon? Probably because he's French?!
Alpine should have move Ocon aside for Piastri . An Alonso-Piastri Alpine partnership could have been really special for Alpine . Instead of that they have lost both.
Lmao this is the stupidest idea I've ever read. Why would you fire a driver you've been working with for years, who is still young and plans to stay with the team for years, and a driver you know will give you good and consistent performances, for instead getting a 50 years old driver and a rookie who we still have no idea how he will perform in F1
@@mordor1779 Aree you calling Ocon a good driver? Pfft. Over paid over rated.
@@mordor1779 because Ocon is a 🤡
It's formula one it's cut throat
@@mordor1779 Alonso is technically the mentor of Piastri it will work out
Alpine lost their chance, McLaren gets a great driver. Ricciardo gets a huge payout, hopefully he will secure a seat for 2023.
Not really...I don't think Danny Ric can go anywhere...He will be forced to retire...But unless he willing to take pay cut and join Haas
Danny Ric is washed, he is too much of a risk for any top team to even consider. Maybe Haas or Williams seat the most, but even they seem not to be interested.
@@mrRTvids Ricciardo maybe gonna move down to IMSA.
Alpine/Renault sadly acting like such a stereotype of our country...proud, denying any fault of their own and trying to appear morally superior while throwing others under the bus.
Knowing what we know now it's amazing they took this case to court, no lawyer would have adviced that!
I'm an orange blood, lifelong McLaren fan. I cannot happier. Not happy for DR3, but 1.5 years with McLaren DR had a more than reasonable amount of time to adapt to the car and raise his performance to the level expected by his paychecks. Alas, he could not. Oscar, welcome aboard!
Let’s see which one of the new mclaren boys gets the shit end of the stick for 2023
So Alonso and Button should have just not turned up and raced for McLaren when McLaren were so shit their cars couldn't get off the back of the grid?
They showed loyalty to McLaren, but McLaren don't show loyalty to their drivers.
I wouldn't piss on McLaren if they were on fire
Glad to see Piastri at McLaren but there is clearly something wrong with their car
Luke EarthCrawler+ WoW Mr Luke! I would like to thank you! I cannot express just how Refreshing it was to read your comment! A straight talking guy, who skipped the BULLSH!T & Said it how it IS!
Ive just about had it with this "Daniel-Ricciardo-D!ck-Riding-Culture!" Theyre like a bunch of Heart-Broke Teenage Groupies!.. ALL on some quest to see who can write the most touching SymPATHETIC Explanation (Excuse) for "Daniels" P!SS-POOR Driving Standard at Mclaren!
Nice One Dude! 👊😉
@@milkshakemuncher What are you talking about? Both Button and Alonso had every opportunity to continue with McLaren as far as I know. It's Button who chose to retire and Alonso who chose to leave McLaren after '18 as far as I know. They will were not pushed out.
Alonsos manager is Flavio Briatore
Piastris manager is Webber, but Webbers manager is also Flavio Briatore
Looks like Flavio played his little game with his former team
A lesser game than the one Alonso admitted Alpine was playing with him, using Piastri waiting in the wings as leverage while trying to get Alonso to take a 1 year contract. Alonso has also said that Otmar was NOT in the loop with his contract talks with Alpine.
@@Warhaawk I'm willing to bet that Flavio told Alonso to specifically announce his move to Aston Martin on Augst 1st
@@roadrunner6224 Why would he want to announce it almost a month after Piastri signed with McClaren? Which was July 4th.
@@Warhaawk because Piastri couldn't get out of his Alpine contract before August 1st.
Mclaren and Piastri basically wagered, that Alpine won't find him a seat before that date.
@@roadrunner6224 Except the decision of the board was that Piastri's McLaren contract from July 4th was the only existing contract that he was bound to. They included that date in the statement.
Piastri did what was best for him. Alpine tried to keep a great talent in the team but failed to do so because they just didn’t care what he thought.
Good for him, he gets a better seat and doesn‘t have to drive around at the back.
Not sure about "gets a better seat". Even the current McLaren drivers acknowledge that the Alpine is a better car.
@@bryanfarrow914 not necessarily performance wise but from a human and team environment perspective.
To be fair it‘s a bit funny to say that about McLaren, which wasn‘t really known for a good team atmosphere in the past.
I am with Piastri with this one. Webber did the right thing as a manager and If he is really as telented as everyone says he is, keeping him with a team like williams would have been the wrong thing to do. Its just like how Mercedes wasted georges starting career with williams. however, rumour has it, Ms William had a rock solid contract that george couldnt get out of. I really felt george could have been a world champ and the battle with lewis would have been great to watch.
One does not win 3 back to back championships in spec racecars without talent.
He is very talented. The question is how does he stack up against the very strong new generation youngsters we have in F1 currently.
If Alpine wants to garner loyalty, they need to also show it. So far, they've proven they understand how to be loyal only to Ocon
yes and how alpine handled hungary was a red flag for alonso and other drivers who is not a frenchman. i hope gasly will have better career in alpine
@@atrspeed92 plot twist gasly decides to stay with AlphaTauri...
Tbh in the interviews gasly doesn't seem to like the idea of being loaned.
@@slevingaius he would like to fully released to be free agent
@@juuiko and you will be rolling with my mom next weekend if you don't eat all those vegetables.
Like already said, if Alpine really was interested into Piastry, then they would have a contract and a seat for him. It’s one thing to have a driver academy, but another thing to not use these drivers and only use the same old faces again and again. Using Alonso as a young driver is a slap into any real young driver out there and shows, that Alpine/Renault are not interested in promoting young drivers.
@Ntsikelelo Dlamini The fact the last time Renault graduated someone from their own academy is Grosjean shows how much little they care about it.
It’s F1 if an opportunity comes a young drivers way they’ve got to take it as it might not come again especially if it’s a McLaren seat!
Mclaren is a midfield team, unable to deliver year after year.
@@mrRTvids so are alpine. If Danny Ric had half the points of Lando they'd be ahead of them in the constructors.
@@mrRTvids you're talking like Alpine is a top contender team lmao....
For Piastri, it was either going to Mclaren, get rented to Williams or sit in the garage for a 3rd year. No one is even arguing a chance to get to Redbull, Ferrari or Mercedes as a rookie.
@@Kaimax61 The difference is Alpine has been taken a step up, while Mclaren is going backwards for three years in a row now. Even under new regulations, they came to the first race as the slowest car lol. That team is just crumbling every year.
@@mrRTvids wait until 2024
looking back on this vid near the end of the 2023 season, piastri definitely made the right decision to go to McLaren:)
They could’ve simply loaned Ocon to Williams and signed Piastri. You have to take tough decisions at times. Look at Mclaren. Look at how Redbull handled Max. They dropped a decent Kvyat to get Max in. That Ocon contract has to be the worst after Mclaren’s DR contract really
Nope, because Ocon is french and Alpine wants a french driver
@@imbadatcod7208 nothing to do with french, it's just a extension of their relationship. If alpine used their brain and wanted a french driver, there's Pierre, which now is an option.
why would you drop Ocon? I also dont think OIcon's manager would allow that..
Ocon is not a bad driver, what are you talking about?
Are you drunk ? Ocon made currently is best season but '' You need to Drop Ocon for Piastri Ocon have bad Contract....''
Alpine shot themselves in the foot by giving Ocon a 3 year contract back in June 2021. It robbed them of any flexibility while assuming all three of their drivers would be alright with the status quo. Alpine treated Piastri like a mistress that was promised a future wedding and tried to guilt trip him by saying "I've spent this much on you, how could you" when he tried to leave.
Especially since the guy had zero options. If someone had offered him a similar contact maybe then OK. BTW, wasn’t his contract four years? Which is even more insane.
Loyal drivers in F1 are likely to miss out on their best career moves and, in this sport, most chances really come only once and then you're done. The same level of deal won't come your way again.
They messed him around when they could've had piastri and alonso sorted ages ago
When they gave Ocon that handsome deal, I knew they screwed up.
Ricciardo left Alpine, Alonso is leaving and Piastri will too. Integrity or no, there seems to be a reason why people do not want to stay with Alpine. It needs new leadership.
Prost and zhou guanyu also left. 😳
@@seashackf1 Wait Prost left? Whoa.
@@priztucker didn't just leave quietly either, gave Laurent Rossi a massive spray on the way out. Multiple interviews too
Alpine are the only rookie here
So in case people don't know
Otmar the team principle of alpine DOES NOT manage contracts
That's the laurent Rossi's power and responsibility.
Similar to red bull where
Marko deals with contracts and drivers while Horner manages the team
Yeah but he was the one verbally pulling Piastri through the mud, who okayed the announcement he was driving for them next year and publicly claimed the team had a valid contract with them expecting to keep Piastri or get a large compensation package.
@@elcactusdelamuerte506 who did all of that you ask?
Otmar because he's the team principle the public face of the team doing what the executive that manages contracts INCLUDING his told him to do. Just like Lawrence did when he was at Racing point.
@@xeakpress2718 I didn’t ask because I know.
It might be shocking but the one who is asked to publicly make a statement is usually the one who the public sees making said statement and as a result gets backlash.
Tbh I feel no sympathy for him, the fact he’s been in f1 for so long and his CV essentially reads as a list of f1 teams that no longer exist and has the added extra of jaguar laughing at him even applying to them despite the decades he spent working for them outside of f1. Suggests he might not be a great team principle, yeah he can’t be blamed for those teams closing, but there’s probably a reason no team with any real ambition, stability or vision has gone for him. Alpine is the perfect place for him, as much as I hate to admit it Renault have been incompetent and the grids laughing stock since their 2016 return, although I wouldn’t exactly argue against someone claiming this incompetence was around before they left the sport
This video sums up my perspective of the situation perfectly. I think that Piastri acted in a way similar to what anyone else in his situation would. Well done to him, I can’t wait to see him on the grid next year!
Otmar's attempt at smearing Piastri is such a pathetic move. If he really cared about having Piastri on the team, he should have signed him up for 2022 while he was under contract with Alpine. If anything, it's Alpine's fiasco of an announcement based on an expired contract that shows a complete lack of integrity and in my opinion they should face the consequences for it. What's for sure is I don't envy whomever is getting that Alpine seat. They will no doubt know they'll be the team's 3rd choice and they will be driving for a team playing fast and loose with contracts.
Otmar doesn't manage drivers or generate contracts. That power rests solely with laurent Rossi
On top of that Oscar's contract predates his arrival to the team
McLaren is really trying to get back on top with everything they have:
the fact that they're willed to pay out Ric AND pay Oscar's expenses with alpine if needed, along with the new facilities, is a testament of their commitment.
Props to them, i hope they'll succeed.
Piastri is the new Alonso. He looked out for himself, all of us would have done the same. End of.
A symphatetic party would feel for Alpine, but the truth is, one would always choose the best deal for himself
Danny Ric can't trailbrake, Piastri is touted as one of the most adaptable young drivers of the sim racing generation, that's a perfect fit for McLaren as their car requires Alien+ drivers like Verstappen who can handle a lot more oversteer. In the long term just from a management standpoint, McLaren is a no brainer, Alpine could still be a Renault exit strategy and their management is a mess, Rossi should be fired over this. So well done Apline, you're now going to get two Frenchmen in the same team who already hate each other. This is going to bloody amusing to watch, Satre would love this.
"McLaren's requires drivers that can handle a lot more oversteer."
Where on earth did you find this explanation? This is the complete opposite of reality, McLaren's car is an understeery mess and that's why Ricciardo can't be fast in it, because it's the opposite of his driving style which is oversteery cars like the Red Bull. And McLaren won't get back anywhere near the top as long as their car behaves that way.
I think you are getting bad information. McLaren does not have an oversteering car as Olivyay stated. You got the trailbraking thing wrong too. Danny Ric is one of the late brakers. You can’t be a late braker without being good at trailbraking. You have to slow down somewhere and if you do less of it on the straight, you have to do more in the corner.
I guess you wanted to write Sartre because I don't know who Satre is ...
Ricardo tried and failed to adapt to left foot braking to optimize the braking zone, that implies the car is too on the nose for him, you would never trail brake if the car suffers from understeer., You use trailing throttle to balance a nervous car, his braking style is off throttle, the race did a video on this.
@@AdastraRecordings I think you mixed up and/or misunderstood a lot of things here. All F1 cars have used left foot braking since the 90’s, except for Rubens I believe. The RB had it and Daniel did well. You absolutely use trail braking on an understeering car, not sure where you heard you never do. Trailbraking keeps the weight on the front tires and helps it turn. With less weight on the rear it rotates around easier which is exactly what you need on an understeering car. You use trail braking on many/most corners with both types of handling, just to different degrees. Trail braking on an oversteering car is just trickier because the rear is already prone to coming around. Trail brake too much with it and you spin. It’s great your trying to learn about car handling, but the best way to learn is by doing it. Actually Feeling what a car does will teach you infinitely more than watching a video.
Piastri was never Alpine's first option, he should have been racing in f1 by this year but Alpine picked Alonso over him, and for next year they also had Alonso as first option again, the one that must have felt betrayed was Oscar and not Alpine
Totally agree yes we all know that Mercedes parked George at Williams but there was an understanding he would get a Mercedes drive. The way I see it with Alpine was they were dumping him at Williams with zero prospect of an Alpine drive
Anyone would pick Alo over Piastri... what are you talking about.. lmao
@@roberthak3695 I'd pick both over ocon automatic
Alpine: *wants to lend their driver to a backmarker team*
Driver: "No thanks"
Alpine: *surprised pikachu face*
I am very happy to see this finally become reality.
I think it's good for him, more than likely they would've resigned Alonso and good for him to go to Mclaren instead of williams.
But they didn’t. They gave him the top seat, so your argument is invalid.
@@POTThaesslich Not when Piastri signed his contract.
Its funny Otmar talking about Loyalty after he fired Checo for Seb after saying to him that his seat was safe
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And now look at Piastri, he's laughing at Alpine
I don’t understand the people calling him a snake. Alpine could just as easily have turned round after year 2 or 3 of him as reverse and tell him they’re going another way.
One year out is fine, two is too many not to look at other options and he had every right to see who else was interested. Not sure what leg Alpine thought they had to stand on but maybe a sign of their lack of understanding around the whole situation. If you’ve won the F2 championship you’re ready for F1, you can’t sit out 2 3 4 years while you wait for your team to want you once one of the other drivers leaves.
In all sports when the player wants to leave but the club wants to keep them they’re labelled as disloyal, and yet when a team wants to get rid of a player but the player doesn’t want to leave then they’re being a problem. You do you and get the best deal you can for yourself because loyalty in sports is only available to those who’s teams believe they offer them something still
F1 is still very much an "old world" sport and Renault being extremely french is the "old world" among the old world. As such there's a lot of fans in F1 and Alpine especially who hold the notion that employee's are indebted to their employer. They do not care if Alpine ever promoted Piastri, in their mind he should have waited until Alpine decided what to do with him.
Like I said the other day this reminds me off when Alpine were Renault in 1983 fired Prost for falling win championship & firing Cheever too who wasn’t too bad that year.
Did Schumacher show Jordan loyalty? Did Hamilton show McLaren loyalty? The door was open, he walked through it.
Webber did his job.
He Multi-21’ed Alpine in the ass yo!
I’m excited to see him battling with Norris.
He will get Lando’ed
Why does Alpine even have a YDDP? Not the first time they play games with a young driver and then cry wolf when they don't get ROI when they don't want them
At least Ferrari and Mercedes have placed their juniors in F1 seats when was the last time you can say that about Renault/Alpine?
If I'm Jack Doohan I'm second guessing my involvement with this team...
I'm so glad that the reception here is that most are in agreement that alpine screwed the pooch. On Facebook you have deluded ricciardo and alpine fans trying to insult McLaren and Oscar by filling in nonsensical shit that doesn't make any sense obviously.
Glad that part f1 online fanbase knows what they are talking about.
Cant blame Piastri for wanting to be in a relative car . He is a champion ! F1 drivers have to be loyal to their heart. What will be his number ?🤘🏼🏁
420 perhaps xD
I think it’s the better move to go to mclaren they’ve got a new wind tunnel coming and much better infrastructure. Let’s not forget if Daniel matched lando or even scored a few points less they’d easily be in 4th Place in the constructors
They had Piastri for a good while. Not to mention everyone in F1 keeps saying how brutal the game is. If you have a chance as a driver to land a deal with a better team. You take it. Period. Nothing to cry about it
What want mentioned that Alpine did not have the resources to push through a deal for piastri. According to other articles there was one person handling all the contracts and had thought that what they had was enough which is why they went too the CRB.
Oscar and Alonso, the legendary rookies who burn bridges
Oscar didn’t really burn the bridge tho. He crossed it and then alpine burnt it
Was there really a Bridge for Oscar to burn when no matter how many times Rossi promised it, there was never ANY evidence of its existence?
Signing Ocon for 3 years was insane.
- Smart people barely gave Bottas a 1 year contract at Mercedes.
- Smart people struggled with giving Carlos Sainz a 2 year contract at Ferrari.
- Esteban Mojon had been driving F1 for almost 6 years and he has NEVER beaten a teammate. But they decided to give him a 4 year contract (1 year + 3 year extension).
The root cause of a lot of this I agree
Ocon is a great driver. I see no issue. Piastri shot himself in the foot with this Mclaren deal, next year he will look at the rear wing of Alpine lol.
@@mrRTvids This did not age well.
@@Meylan191083 Nothing new, sometimes Mclaren has some decent performances, in the end they will be nowhere again. We have seen this time and time again. Since 2008.
If Alpine knew about the contract negotiations before they announced Piastri as driver. Then thats not a great look for Alpine
Not having Piastri under a binding contract is unbelievable for Alpine. Someone should be fired.
Fantastic video. No sympathy for Alpine. Looking forward to how Oscar will perform. Keep up the good work.
Great video, really appreciate the in depth you guys bring to the table
Thank you for making this video you have explained the whole situation brilliantly. Great channel
My hat goes off to Mark Webber of Piastri's mangagement.. What excellent reading of the market and making of moves accordingly!
Wait, so if alpine knew before alonso decided to leave that piastri would be looking elsewhere, the only unexpected event is alpines reaction (and poor ric?)
As long as he's fast in the McLean, I'm all for it.
It's just all messy, Alpine invested heavily on Piastri, a consecutive F2 and F3 champion, because they "believe" that the future of the team is with him, and yet they can't guarantee him a seat and expect him to "settle for the sidelines", waiting for literal years. That's just not how you treat a trail-blazing young talent. They got greedy and overplayed their hand, and now it's their loss.
He wanted to be on the grid for 2023. There was no seat so he went to mclaren and signed. Renault can blame themselves for loose both drivers.
I would honestly have preferred if McLaren signed Pierre Gasly or Alex Albon to replace Denial Ricciardo instead because they are both incredible ex-Red Bull Ronin.
This is why Alpine should have just signed Alonso and Piastri; they never should have given Ocon a long term deal.
Pierre likes a pointy car like Riccy Bobby so it probably wouldn’t work for Pierre at McLaren.
You are joking right. They both failed at RB otherwise they would still be there.
I just want McLaren to deliver an amazing car for both amazing drivers..
Benching your star rookie as then being surprised when they leave is some Ferrari pitwall level strategy.
What you fail to mention is that alpine and piastri had an exclusivity contract that stipulated alpine must find a seat for piastri by 30th of june. They failed to do so, which made their exclusivity expire. That is also why piastri signing on 4th of july is key part in this as it is after the conract with alpine had indeed expired already.
Alpine should get some compensation they paid for him to get to F1
no, should of treated him better and held onto him
That's not how the academy-driver-system works.
I have to say, I disagree. If you get an apprenticeship/other workplace qualification somewhere and complete whatever time you are contracted to post-qualification, you owe the company nothing. Same principle here, just larger sums of money. Assuming Piastri did his time which he was contracted to with Alpine (which clearly he did), then Alpine aren't due any compensation. They took a chance and it didn't work out, it's just business.
Lundgaard or Zhou didn't pay Alpine back anything
Alpine should get an internal reform, they tried to bench him for 2 years and didn't make themselves clear to Alonso until the Hungary gp, they knew that he would race for Mclaren in 2023 way before and failed to strike a deal with Alonso.
I'm very surprised no other team didnt snatch Oscar much earlier. This guy is another Lewis and Max.
And I think that's what McLaren sees
Thank you McLaren for giving Oscar a seat. Can't wait to see what this young man can do. God speed Oscar
He’s not Max/Lewis; notice his placements in F2 races. He didn’t often win. He won F2 on scoring consistency, while Lando/Max/Lewis pummeled their F2 competition. He’s a solid #2 driver.
Oscar is no Max or Hamilton. Not even by a mile!. Alpine is sitting on top of tones of data from their f1 tests, about how fast he is. If he was another Max, he would have been driving their current car.
@@EMichaelBall he won 4 out of 8 feature races. thats pretty impressive. he also has won 3 championships in a row
It’s funny to see Szafnauer talking about loyalty when back in the force India days he didn’t respect Checo’s contract and fired him 2 years before his contact was supposed to end 🙄
Appreciate the nuanced approach you take; none of the parties acted malevolently, just in their own best (and conflicting) interests. Good coverage!
Thats what i like about the Red Bull and Max Verstappen saga tbh. Red Bull placed faith in to Max from the very beginning.
Even when things did not go their way "Crashstappen time back in the day" they trustet his driver and actually liked his aggressive style.
And now he is paying Red Bull back big times with 2 drivers champions and 1 constructor.
I also can't see Max driving in any other team for the future, they are a perfect fit.
Alpine on the other hand... meh
People also forget Max played RBR and Mercedes against each other in the junior ranks - basically allowed him to skip F2 in entirety and straight into an F1 seat. Fair play to him
It's not about integrity. Alpine should have signed him earlier if he wanted to keep him. He already signed a contract at Mclaren, that's why he declined that Alpine offer.
They literally have no legal battle they had to sign the contract by a certain date... they didn't. end of story
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