Amateur Bodyman Tries Fixing Rust on a Budget. How to: Build Patch Panels and Set up a Mig Welder
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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2024
- Hey we are back on the 1966 Chevy C10 hood repair. In this video I'll be repairing the hood corners and showing how to fabricate patch panels without any specialty tools. Then we will show how I go about setting up a mig welder for welding automotive sheetmetal
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Been messing with this stuff for 50 + years , and you my friend are no amateur . I still learn from you on every video. thank you....
Thank you Don!
Anytime an amateur body guy can include a Time Team reference displays a deep reservoir of wit wisdom and coolness. Eh😊
I never pass up the opportunity for a Time Team reference! Haha
Time Team is awesome !!!!
Aw I came here just to rave about that exact reference! Can't go wrong with extending Phil's trench, he's earned it.
Whenever the guy who taught me body work 50 years ago was asked what his job was he`d say he`s an Automotive Metallurgical Re-Engineer. It still makes me chuckle.
Haha that's awesome, I'll have to remember that one the next time someone asks
Back when I was in high school in metal shop (I graduated high school in 1970) we were exposed to oxyacetylene welding and that is what we did to learn welding two plates together the same way. When you discover that weld puddle and how it is to move that weld puddle, it is like learning to ride a bicycle, you just never forget that basic part of welding. Later on I signed up for a welding class at my local community college and started out by refreshing the oxyacetylene skills and then proceeded to arc welding. Again, the process was to practice, practice, practice all of the different positions. Those students who were going for certification had to weld two pieces of steel together and then the local testing facility would test the weld. The weld had to be solid with no gaps or slag imperfections (people think that you can weld slag out but that is not so). Now beings this was for my own improvement I did not certify as I was not going to enter the trade. But the basic process never leaves you, you may get a little rusty if you do not stay on the practice. When I sold tools (Mac) Mig welders were coming into more use in body shops, and they were actually demanded for modern unibody vehicle as the steel is of a higher stress (so I have been told). You could not oxyacetylene this higher strength steel. I did manage to sell a few Mig welders, but most body shops would still resist buying one as like everything people resist change. Those shops that did buy a Mig welder were satisfied with the performance, and of course if one were taught to weld properly picking up the Mig weld process or even the tig welding process is not hard. Like every trade there has to be an apprentice period to begin with. Paul Revere was a silversmith and the pieces that he made are works of art, but in the beginning he did not achieve that mastery. We are always learning as you have stated but the basics have to be taught, just like riding a bicycle.🥸
Excellent show, Kyle. I learned my sheet metal welding many years ago using oxc-ecetylene( still my favourite, but mig/tig is easier on thin shee)t. Thanks for the many insights you provide. Really look forward to your show- thanks a bunch and please keep doing what you are doing!!!!! Cheers, Richard from England
Thank you Richard!
You and Brent from Halfass Kustoms are my favorites!
Brent is awesome! Thanks for watching!
I learn something new every video. Even the smallest nugget of info is a building block. I do wonder how many viewers got the Mansfield reference? Love ur content.
The majority of my viewers are apparently over 60, so I'd imagine most of them? Haha. Thanks for watching!
The hood damage on the sacrificial hood is typical of that caused by rear-ending a transport truck/grain truck before the dropped bumper guards on larger trucks were mandatory. Most people think those guards are just a step to climb up into the back of those larger trucks.
Yeah you are correct! That's probably exactly what happened!
Considering that you are not intending on keeping this truck. You are putting in a lot of great work to bring it back to a road worthy status. Also really enjoyed the tips and tricks. Thanks for another great video!!!
Thank you!
I originally thought donor hood looked good in the last episode too until you explained later in that episode. The contraversy comes from not watching the whole episode. I’m sure if the hood was better you would have used it
Yeah unfortunately I can't force people to watch the whole video (apparently that's illegal) haha
I like to cut up pieces of 55 gallon drums to use for patch panels, I find they're usually about the same gauge of steel as car body panels, and you can get a used 55 gallon drum for $10 or less. As far as practicing on thin metal goes, I used to bring home scraps of 24ga from when I was working at an HVAC shop making ducts, and tack it to-gether with a 6011. If you can tack 24ga to-gether with a 6011 and have it be some semblance of solid, mig welding 20ga is practically effortless, if you know how to set the machine.
Have watched a number of How to Mig weld videos many with more welding actually done yet I watch this and the teachings make more practical sense. Thanks for keeping is simple.
I have 49 years experience and still found this helpful. Thanks
Glad you found it helpful! Thanks for watching!
Hiya Kyle. There are channels that show welding. There are channels that "teach" welding. There are channels that show a rot box being turned into a showpiece in stages where welding must have been done at some point, but if it was, it wasn't shown much. Some people talk about their welders and technical specs like we're all in the know in regard to the lingo being used and have used welders for years. Some ignore the act there may be noobs out there looking at what they do and trying to relate to it. Others have shops with a gazillion industry-proven units and tools that help them get the results.
In short, there are many other channels out there that either dumbfound with tech or induce catatonia with long-winded explanations that cannot be retained when your eyelids close all the time. Sort of like my comments on your channel really......but I digress.
You, mate, are different. You are getting the hang of giving info out in a way that explains what needs to be explained without repeating it 100 times in the same way like others do. Your explanations are relatable, make sense and the practical applications are obvious as a result. This translates to learning something new each time I watch your channel.
You intermix your serious stuff with a humorous element - a very dry and dead-pan humour that this fella finds entertaining and brings the attention back full-fold. This is yet another point of difference and another in your favour.
You are a number of years younger than me, yet you have an instinctive feel for the metal and how it can be shaped and turned into what you need in a relatively short space of time like you have been doing it for a lot more years than you have. Although I have used gas welders in my teens and twenties and could to magic tricks with fibreglass filler on a rusting shell (that still look perfect over 10 years later), I've not picked up a MIG or TIG until a couple of years ago. I found a TIG welder was second nature to me and laid out a perfect bead like I'd been doing it for years.
MIG though - a totally different story. Could not get the hang of the single-hand welding, where if you leave it going too long it blows a hole / puts too much heat in the metal and warps it or too short a time and it doesn't penetrate well enough. This video on its own has given me an idea why things happened the way they did and ways to correct. The other thing is that you stress the need to practise and from a personal perspective, rather than just saying it. This makes me feel less of a failure because I am one who is used to just picking something up and it working for me as intended after a short space of time. I was at the point of just buying a TIG and using that for everything - which would be fine, but not exactly practical in some applications. I am now considering finding a MIG and having another go and persevering until the welds at least penetrate well enough to hold and don't pull the surrounding metal in.
I have also learned a few things in metal fabrication from you as you also just use what anyone else has in their garage and don't use the fancy things that a bloke doing the odd restoration could not justify the expense of in order to have available. For all of the above, I thank you for having this channel available to people like me and will also say that I am looking forward to seeing this truck pulled to bits and the progress as its welded up.
All the best
Thanks for the kind words! I always look forward to reading your comments!
There's book learning and then there is Experience. Not quite the same. You can be book smart and get all A's. But what you really want is to know what to expect and prepare for it. When things go badly learn from your mistakes and don't repeat a bad habit.
Very true!
Cold War sent me. Good job!
Thank you!
You make that repair look so easy, it isn't, great skills.
Thanks!
Thank you Professor Kyle. Outstanding presentation, and good reminders. So glad you took the time to explain your setup with the welder and making pieces with simple tools
Glad it was helpful!
Lots of good information Kyle. You get a sanitized version of rust repair on a TV show, they just kind of assume that you know what, and how they are doing it.
Thanks! Tv makes everything look easy, you can imagine my disappointment when I discovered that you can't actually restore a car in 2 days haha.
That other hood was a "good" hood, as long as you don't mind lots, and lots of DENTS. It would work to keep the rain and snow off the engine. Sometimes people can't see all the dents in it on camera, but you showed them the dents well this time.
I'm glad the dents were visible. You're right, damage doesn't always show up on camera
I went off to tech when I finished school, and became a qualified welder (just a cute little A4 certificate saying I'd done the welding + fabrication course, as well as a piece of paper that had my name on it saying I could weld structural steel legally if I was that way inclined.). I learned to gas, arc, MIG and TIG weld 20 gauge up to 13mm plate. (obvs. didn't weld 1/2" plate with tig or gas!) Anyway, I learn more about auto body welding watching these videos, but I only wished I'd done a collision repair course instead
Such good cat buddy "sons" Poe and Alan. Great video as always!
Thanks!
Looking forward to the live-stream! See ya tomorrow.
Right on, I'm glad you'll be able to stop by!
After watching you and Scott working on the Stude, I had to come over and subscribe. Started with the “will it run?” on the 48 GMC. I have a LOT of catching up to do. I love channels that don’t take themselves too seriously. Good Stuff Kyle. 👍
Hey, thanks so much for stopping by and watching my terrible videos! Haha
I've had to patch every vehicle I've owned living in rusty Toronto, my father would shake his head and say a good coat of paint hides a multitude of sins. I appreciate your talent keep it up.
Yeah we are very fortunate that vehicles don't rust as bad as they do out your way! Thanks for watching!
You need a bigger hole and some screen wire for th bondo to work properly ! 😂
Ahh so that's what I've been overlooking! Haha
Hi Kyle. Only just saw this one. Excellent tips and tricks. Very helpful to a hack like me. I wish I could get mine as tidy as yours. Practice, practice, practice, I guess. All the best, Mart in England.
Thanks Mart, practice practice practice is right!
The Bondo holes also known as the "spaghetti strainer" or the "Woody Woodpecker" depending what part of the country you are from. Personally I call it the pecker wrecker because it is such a pain to stop and fix. Every 70's car I've owned was a time capsule of pop rivets, Bondo holes and brazed patches all hidden under an inch of body filler....and most of it wasn't my handiwork !
Hahah I've never heard those names before, but I'll have to remember to add them to my vocabulary!
I always thought the holes were for #14 sheet metal screws in a slide hammer????
I feel like I've been violated, believing this all these years!
The patches are great and I like the idea of checking to see if the sheet metal you’re welding to is not compromised with rust. I’ve seen people who even worked at body shops not check the metal and right up from their repair it would start to show rust breaking out because they didn’t cut it out and have to redo the whole repair. Great tips on welding and setting up the machine are very helpful especially for someone just starting out. Catch you on the stream tomorrow. Later
I'm glad to hear you'll be able to stop by the live stream! Bodyshops rarely have to mig weld things these days, so I'm not surprised they struggle. I had to practice at home on evenings and weekends when I worked in a bodyshop, otherwise I'd still be a lot worse at welding than I already am!
Here in the south, I don't get much done outside in the summer, it is just too hot. Not only do we get high temperatures. but we also have a high heat index because of the humidity. After it cools down some, I have 4 vehicles I will need to work on. I wish I had a garage, all I have is a car port and a back yard to work on my projects.
Yeah I don't blame you for not working out in the heat, it's rough! I hope you're eventually able to get some work done on your vehicles!
We've seen you do so much with so little for so long that we now now believe you could fix anything with nothing. Well done sir!
Thanks! I'm always on the lookout for something that I won't be able to repair haha
Thank you for all the great tips. Most of my 40 years of welding has been industrial,very thick metal that takes a beating. I am not a pro and still like to learn . I am wanting to repair a 1961 ford that my Dad owned. I will not touch it till I learn and practice thin metal welding. I respect you for the humble way you show the right way to do this and I love your Cats. Has always I liked and shared. All my very best. Oh and looking forward to the live stream and your next videos.
Thank you! I'm sure you could teach me a lot about industrial welding, I know nothing about welding heavier stuff!
@@CarterAutoRestyling Your type of welding is like fine art, compared To what I did at work. Thank you so much for the kind reply. It means a lot to this old welder.
As always, a sensible no bull way of fixing rust
I'll try to add more bull and be less sensible next time haha! Thanks for watching!
It was great to see the video of you spreading (literally) the "good news of the body man" at CWM.
The Praying Mantis method was a revelation for me. I wish I knew about that when I was slinging mud, back in the day.
Such talent...
My wife bought me a little 110 welder a number of years ago and I attempted to use it a couple times but with no success. Recently I had to patch a rust hole in my 1987 Samurai and had to try welding with zero knowledge or skill. I used test pieces to see what I could do but gave up and found a guy who could do it. With the information you presented here I might have been able to proceed on my own. Now I’m gonna sit down for a month and practice. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
Hi Kyle, these video are great! I recently turned 70, I used to go out fri ,sat and tear it up a little. Now my nights are spent watching yuo and Fitzees. Making that patch panel with hammer claw is feaking amazing! Stay well!😊
Thanks, I appreciate you postponing "tearing it up" to watch my show. Haha
I would love to buy some merch. I like ball caps and turtles.
I'll get right on that!
Thanks Kyle, I liked the fact that you explained how to set up your welding machine, I have a 250 amp 220v MiG, so I’m definitely going to have to tone it down a lot and practice a bunch before getting to my project👍🏼
Yeah you definitely won't have any issues with penetration using the 220 mig. I do find that they weld a lot nicer than the 110 welders once you get them dialed in for sheetmetal work.
Thanks for watching!
Well worth the watch. Lots of info thanks
I'm glad you think so, thanks for watching!
Thanks for the advice. Even if there are other MIG welding and car bodywork videos out there, I don't think that there is a problem with making more. There will often be something that has been explained differently or maybe skipped over that hearing from a different teacher or shown using alternative words or examples that will be useful to someone.
Great lecture on the importance of tight gaps. Class dismissed!
Thanks!
Kyle, you should have mentioned that you should disconnect the battery on these old cars so you don’t blow the computer and electronic modules. 😜 👍🏴
Whoops! My bad! I hope I don't get sued by an angry viewer for skipping that information. Haha
I loved the Jayne Mansfield line! Some lucky bastard got to nurse on those miracles.........but it wasn't me!
I'm a retired Die Maker the reason panel vary from side to side is the Die were hand worked a lot with no CNC it was an art to hand work and use duplicators, That's why the grinders are called die grinders. The More you Know LOL
Hi Bill, that's really interesting, thanks for the info! It's always fun to learn how these parts were made
dam for a amateur your bloody good cheers mate
Thanks Fred!
Good info on the mig set up! That hood patch is similar to a fender heel patch I’m doing on my 70 Pontiac 😊JR
That's awesome, good luck on the Pontiac repair!
Plain old simple panel beater retired , I worked with a lad one in the 80's a Porsche motor body technician , he had the biggest toolbox I had ever seen at the time I couldn't see in the top box , canny lad he got a lot of stick out of us , the boss was banging on about a repair he had done , I said if I had taken 3 hours to do that repair you would have jumped down my throat , 3 hours you what he went across and chewed him out LOL , I was freelancing a few years later and came across him , he had a small lock up I ended up doing a few jobs for him fell out over a Lancia Monti Carla restoration I priced it up then the panels came they were all had made and crap I wanted more money as every panel had to be sorted out modified a nightmare basically worked a week for nothing swore never again , worked for a couple of people who took the piss so I just walked out leaving them to sort out their own mess out LOL .
It's evident that you had extensive body repair training as we see in your body work demonstration with Scott on Cold War Motors.😂
Haha true, I've got a diploma in flipping used cars haha
Thank you for this tutorial 👍 it confirms completely how i was taught from the old guy that showed me about this job about 20 years ago.i still use those working methodologies every day,and always works. Keep on Kail!👌
Thanks for the comment, I'm glad to hear that you've had success using the same methods!
Obviously i was referring to making holes on metal for better bondo adesion..🤦..just joking..
Hey Kyle, enjoy your sarcasm in every video! Keep it coming. I go and get my sheet metal from old donor cars and my zip disc. Just go and cut some pieces off old wrecks and store the pieces for when I need them. I find 18 ga too tough to work and frustrates me too much lol.
Getting metal off wrecks is a great idea too, a lot of it already has the correct shapes in it for building patch panels
Dude, you missed that Anglo-Saxon burial mound over by the master cylinder! As for the heat, we Celts find that an extra T-shirt and some rubber gloves help to keep the excess heat from our pasty bodies. A little woad under the eyes cuts down on reflection, keeping your eye sockets cool. When are you going to do some patch repairs?
Hi John! Thanks for the helpful tips! One of these days I'll do some patch repairs haha
The reason for the holes was not for bondo adhesion. The holes are where they used a snatch bar to pull the dents out. They would file them smooth then bondo the dent
Saw you today with Scott on coldwarmotors 👍
Haha yup, I was there! Thanks for stopping by!
"Somebody pulled the old Jayne Mansfield on it." What a reference! Truck's looking much improved, buddy, cheers!
Haha I'm glad someone caught the reference!
Thank you for this video. You always go the extra mile. Nice to see you scratch build that panel. Great video
Thanks William!
Nice !
Thanx for another great vid! I learn something new every time you show up in the garage! Catch ya next time!
Thanks for watching!
Very humble human being
Some good tips thanks
Happy to help!
Thank you. Your work is always amazing!
Thanks Kyle
Another good video full of tips for us other amateurs!
Happy to help!
Love your videos, real helpful while trying to do my own car restoration at home.
Well I didn't expect to see this pup up as a comment, but oh well. Have 2 hours of my wages anyway 😂
Thank you very much! I'm glad you found the video somewhat useful!
Thanks Kyle, that was a lot of very good advise on welding.
Thanks for the live stream reminder.
Thanks Paul!
Guy does a perfect patch panel,and says nothing to write home about.😮😮😮
First you hit me with an extremely well thought out and informative video, then I find out you have actual credentials. If this nonsense continues, I will be forced to write you a sternly worded letter...in ink! I only watch youtube instructional videos for half-assed short-cuts and bikini clad camera girls...not actual information. I expected less from you.. Cheers
At first, I thought this was just another senile grandpa rant, so I was planning to politely ignore you. However, the threat of a handwritten letter tells me that you mean business. I don't want to agitate someone who's willing to go to those lengths (not to mention the cost of Canadian postage)
Please accept my generic apology and empty promise that it won't happen again.
😆😆😆@@CarterAutoRestyling
What a great video. I will watch this one many times. I have been Mig welding on cars for several years but I appreciate all of the excellent content you have shared on the video. Well done!!!!!
Phenomenal talent. Very nice tutorial. I'll bet you could flatten crumpled tin foil😀 I hope to get me a rust bucket to cut to pieces and cripple myself on. Knee caps are over rated. Be well.
Tin foil repair tutorial coming soon!
Thanks Kyle Excellent info. You know your stuff. Great attention to detail Re: looking on the backside of a panel to determine where more rust may occur. I'm really impressed!!
Thank you, I'm glad you thought the info was useful!
Just think Kyle, if the OEM's put a little effort to put some rust corrosion protection in their product, you would have an easier job or be out of work altogether! 😆
I have nightmares about that very scenario all the time. I wouldn't want to live in a world without rusty decrepit vehicles
Brilliant. Thank you. You make a lot of sense and I (for one) will give it a try. It's true that I assumed I would be diving straight in but I like your little metal rectangles approach. I just need a sadistic instructor to rip them to pieces 😁 Cheers from Toulouse
Haha I hope you're able to find that sadistic instructor to help you out! Thanks for watching!
I remember the worst abuse of a drill and bondo I have ever seen was on a Subaru of a customer who had worked as a professor in New York. He had had the glorious idea to pay some of his collage students for repairing a big dent on the lower edge of a fender of his Subaru. He brought the car back to Switzerland. After two years there was huge lump of bondo falling off. Below that there was not only a lot of rust but also a dozen of holes drilled. The chunk hat had fallen off was about ten inches long and 6 inches high. The bondo piece was 5 inches thick.
Good stuff, as always. You put yourself down in a very humorous way, but you're actually extremely good.
Thanks George!
Nicely done.
Just want to say thanks for this tutorial, I'm a home garage hack and this video straighted out alot of what iv been doing wrong..your work is exceptional, I'm very impressed and enjoy your no frills approach to the channel..again thankyou.
Thanks for the kind words, I'm glad the video was helpful!
Thanks for the info on welding. Always interesting. Cheers.
Huh... I hadn't ever that about the gap like that before. Very informative
Back in high school (late 1970's) when I took auto body repair at the local vocational facility, the first 6 weeks were dedicated to BRAZING 18 gauge 2"x 3" metal 'coupons' together with an oxy/acetylene torch. There WAS a mig welder in the building gathering dust, and I don't recall anyone ever using it in the 2 years I attended classes.
Some of us which were already somewhat familiar with brazing were spared the full 6 weeks and could move onto the next 'phase' (metal straightening) while others struggled the entire 6 weeks.
We also used body solder (lead) and only used acrylic lacquer paint and primer except for the VERY rare (2 paint jobs I remember) when Imron was used.
I'm NO where close to being an expert at auto body repair (though I did a LOT of rust repair in my garage for quite a few years when local body shops didn't want to mess with it) and have picked up quite a few tips from watching your videos to at least give me better direction on my own projects.
Thanks for posting the videos.
Thanks Russ! I've never tried brazing, but always thought it would be fun to give it a go sometime
I could almost start practicing and then tear into my Packard, but I know that you make it look easier than it is! Not to mention, I should probably put the motor back together first. 🙄
Is it too hot, or did the pyrotechnics budget get used up for this year? We want to see stuff on fire!!! Preferably Kyle!!! 😂
There has been massive budget cuts lately in the production quality department, as I'm sure you've noticed!
@@CarterAutoRestyling Hadn't noticed! 🤣🤣🤣
I enjoy your ramblings. I always learn something new.
I need to find out about that 2 stage valve. Maybe I've been doing it all wrong.
Thanks for listening to my ramblings! Haha
UK , I started learning to gas weld doing lines of weld using a sheet of steel about 12 inchs square you had to melt a puddle and then move the puddle along once you mastered that start using a rod line after line until got the hang then went on to joining bits of metal but welding Aluminium had me stumped LOL .
Thanks for the info. From a first time patcher from saskatchewan.
you are one smart dude i have learned alot just on this one will watch all of them
great job brother
Thank you, Kyle for that in-depth explanation of welding techniques! Very helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
Great tips and advice Kyle! I've always enjoyed your tutorials, and they've helped me immensely. Listening to your education and experience helps me see why my welding is definitely less than par. Experience is what I need, thanks again.
Thank you Ken! I hope the 36 project is going well!
Very skillful sets of good habits also veeeerrry well explained
Super educational!!!
Nice video once again. I’m ready for the other patch work.
Thanks, plenty of patch work on the way!
I like your work you taught me something today on flushing tacks down. I have never thought of it that way,
Cheers you bearded warbler 👍
Thanks!
Bad chad is my go to guy for metal and body work...ok maybe I'm lied about that.....Kyle's the man
Bad Chad is #1 in my books
Very nice patch work. Yhanks for taking the time to teach us.God bless
Thank you!
Awesome! Thanks for sharing your tips and advice! Appreciate it!
Very, very interesting today !!!!!!!!
Glad you think so!
Good Video! Lots of Great Instructions!!!
looks good
11am mountain time for me. See ya there.
Great, I'm glad you can stop by!
Thanks for the information. Always helpful. Meow...
Meow meow!
Quite enjoyed that tutorial. Dad's old mig is just waiting for me to fire it up again. Just have to decide which rust bucket I own will get attention first...
It's always a tough decision figuring out which rust bucket to fix first haha. Good luck!
A comment to feed the algorithm and hopefully help feed you a bit.
Excellent video, sir.
Hi Joe, the algorithm says thanks!
How far along are you with your model A?
@@gwstubbs7046 My projects have been on hold trying to get over some side effects of some "rad" treatments.
Hoping to start playing again this Fall.
Well done 👍