Turning Up The Power On A Kioti CK2610!
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- In my last video I said that I would do a video on how to turn up the power on your CK2610 and return the engine to 35 HP like it originally was before the emissions laws came around. this was my first time so you get to experience me learning it for the first time, but overall I'm happy with the results and can't wait to get some serious load on it!
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Just a bit of an update: I plowed 6 inches of snow in my driveway the other day in high range with my 6 foot plow mounted on my loader. The tractor went from struggling to climb hills to a power house. It makes that much of a difference
They would come with all the fuel they need to be a good tractor if it wasn't for government BS.
Did it improve your pto output? Time for a hydraulic snow blower!!
@@rongray4118 it definitely improved the PTO output. Being able to run a 6' brush hog without it bogging tremendously has been a massive improvement
any ballpark idea on the HP the PTO is putting out now? Wondering what range of attachments you might be able to run following the "upgrade". Thanks for the video! @@upstategearheads
About how many turns did you end up screwing it out?
I see it has been a year or more since you have down this modification. Could you give us an update.?
Awesome Channel hope you keep making more videos very informative thank you for the reply going to try upping my power on my ck 2610 when I get it
Just did this to my 2620 and it made a huge difference! Thanks for the video and the tip on unscrewing the nut off after removing the front piece was really helpful, I just held the screw so it wouldn't turn from factory setting while unscrewing the nut and then sawed it in the vice. Thanks!
Thank you so much for this video man I just did mine @ 105 hours and now it’s night and day. I’m also in upstate NY near Plattsburgh I use a 6’ brush hog and can’t wait to try it since the upgrade I know I can use high range now up the hills near my property. Thanks again!
It's certainly a whole new tractor after turning up the power! Huge difference!
Did this to my 2610 yesterday, thank you for this! The results are night and day, High gear is actually useable now and PTO power is up substantially. Went through some 4ft grass with a 60” rotary cutter at full speed in Medium gear and it just shredded it no issue. Previously I had to slow to almost a crawl. Also charges right up my 30-35 degree hill in Medium without issue.
I spent some time with my Deere LX6 brush hog this week and can run full speed in medium range as long as it's not crazy tall. Certainly gets the job done quicker which means more money in my pocket!
Awesome way to explain the procedure
I thought about putting a 5psi turbo on mine. I have about 290hrs on mine. Tractor Time with Tim had a turbo installed on his 1025r
I did it to my CK2610 the other day. I ended up having to turn it out (counterclockwise) 4 turns. It is like night and day on the power difference. You notice it right away when you rev it up, it's not delayed and it isn't sluggish on the hills anymore.
new subscriber... considering buying a Kioti. thanks for all your videos on it
Thanks for subscribing! Glad I could help with your decision! Tune back in this spring, I've got a few video ideas once it's warmer outside
Its always smart to have a EGT gauge after doing things like this imo.
The good thing about "old school" diesels in the reliability. I've taken apart ones that have set for 10+ years, cleaned then up, and they run great.
I'd want one if I were turboing but this wouldn't raise my sense of alarm on a N/A diesel for myself.
why need a guage, its originally a 35 hp engine?
Isn't turning up the pump only half the solution? The original 35hp version had the timing at 18*, while the 2610 is only 16*.
Thanks for sharing !
Subbed. I definitely can use this like this for my 2610. Just a little gun shy to tinkering with mechanical shit. Don’t have the best luck with motors.
Can you do a video on adjusting the hydraulic pressure please?
Thanks, great info 👍
I've been thinking about doing this... subscribing.
Right on. Now you just need to show how to boost up the hydralic pressure for the loader/system on a 2610. I have the same tractor, and had the hp boosted a couple years ago, but want my hydralics up a bit too, but can not find a "how to" anywhere.
There is some info out there. I managed to get mine turned up a bit, enough to pick up large round bales.
Thanks for the vid!
Very nice video, I also have a 2610 so I am very interested to know if you gained the extra horse power you thought you would gain.
On your next video will you turn up the hydraulics pressure?
You ask what I'd like to see...... I'd like to see you buy the 35 hp Kioti and show how to by-pass that regen system........ Good video.
I tune cars and trucks on the daily, but unfortunately I'm not smart enough to write the software to talk to the Kioti PCM
I've always owned used tractors prior to 1993. I always had pretty good luck with older tractors. In 2018 I bought my very first John Deere 3025. I wanted to stay below the emissions that didn't require DPF and/or regen cycles. My 25 HP Deere ir the wimpiest tractor I've ever owned. Hydraulics are useless and the loader barely will pick up 500lbs.. I'm tempted to try this.
This is much more impressive tractor than the 3025e. It's similarly priced and has a ton more features too!
You must of Realy liked that Green paint. Those 2025e's & 3025e's are pure "wimps". The are just 2 steeps up from a shovel & wheelburo. With their measly 2 speed "al-u-minium" hydro-slack-o-howl-a-matic "watch-gear" transmission ( if you can call it that), and it's super week hydraulic system with its "lawnmower grade" hydraulic lift cylinders. The small "M" & "R" series are just OK. The "E's" are strictly marketed to the "first time home-loaner" ;-- just full of "creature-comforts".
@@donaldstrishock3923 I'm sure Dean wouldn't have gotten that model if he knew then what he knows now.
It was night and day for me. Been a year and no issues.
Did you adjust the timing as well or just fuel some people are saying you have to adjust timing to
Would be nice to have some sort of remote adjustability on that, tune it as more power is needed but, leaving it near stock for better economy when possible.
It won't effect your economy if your foot isn't buried in it. The same thing with hot rod diesel cars.
I'm very interested in this project. Can't wait to hear your end user results. Did you get the power you had hoped for? I sure hope so, good luck and please keep us posted! We're on the edge of our 2610 seats awaiting results!
I definitely noticed the power improvement and it had helped tremendously! Check out my latest video on it!
@@upstategearheads so you turn the screw counter clockwise to get more power, correct? I just bought a CT2025 and was wondering if it would be the same on it
This is the kind of info I probably don't need to see. Who doesn't like more power?! Earned a new sub for the info. Thanks and looking forward to more tractor vids. Does the increased power also effect the loader lift capabilities?
Can you achieve the same result with a 2010 era CK20S? Has the mechanical injection and same fuel screw set up as yours.
Does turning up the ck2610 increase the top speed in line with the 3510 and 4010? I know on paper the 3510 and 4010 go ~5 mph faster than the 2610. Wasn't sure if this was horsepower related or limited elsewhere is the system?
Wow I’m going to try this with my 2610. I live in the mountains and need all the power I can get.
I highly recommend!
Quick question: do you know (for certain) if this engine has an EGR valve (& cooler)?
You adjust timing by the shims under injector block on the pump. It equate 1 degree per one hundred thousands thickness. So removing the .150 shim would ad 1.5 degrees of timing. Just some info.
Have you done this yet? I'd have to imagine the whole engine runs smoother, not to mention more power
Great info. Have you tried reshiming it? Do you happen to know the part numbers for the shims? Thanks in advance.
Did I miss where he adjusted shims?
So you're saying no new shims required only removal of 1- 1.5 thousands shim.
Did anyone try adjusting the timing yet?
Sorry but it’s not clear to me from what was said in the video… do you think there’s a way to get the cap off without cutting it? Or if you do cut it, is there a way to replace it with a new part after the adjustment? It’s not clear if it’s crimped on or captured some other way.
Really enjoyed your video, i also have a 2021 2610 se cab , absolutely love it . Please reply to me what more power does for this tractor, will it make it go faster in low , will it be able to get up a hill in midrange or high , cause mine won’t. So i Iike the more power idea but you never stated what it does ?
It won't increase the speed since that's directly related to engine RPM, which you don't want to increase. Increasing the fuel and hence the power will give you more pulling power before the tractor bogs down
Thankyou
@@upstategearheads And that's what I need to do to my ck2510. I bushhog on alot of hills. need more POWER.
Anyone suggest a source for a replacement cap ? everywhere i checked they are sold out !!?
i have a 2022 TYM T494 with a mechanical fuel injection KUKJE A2300 engine it is used in 474 494 and 574, (the 574 has a turbo and adds 6-7 hp) do you know anything about bypass on DPF? they say you have to unplug a data logger. I'm over 100 hours with no Regen yet. I guess I will let her use the DPF untill warranty is up or the DPF plugs or burns out. just getting my ducks inline. PS does KIOTI/daedong make a mechanical fuel injection engine in the 50 hp range? are you in upstate NY? I'm in Cooperstown area.(Canadarago lake). PPS I did have a NX4510 2021 but it was a COVID tractor and I got a bad tranny (like Dylan mulvainy) lol!
well , I just did my ck2510. seems to really be better. if advancing the timing helps like some say, this thing will be awesome. it actually seems to have even less rattle in the engine.
I too have a CK2510H (2014). Did you do this? and did you change the timing? I'm not familiar with diesel engine tuning. Any help would be appreciated.
@dennis dunne I did this but did not change the timing.
hi have you had any mechanical issues since doing the mod?
any more updates?
Do you think this would work on the ck4010?
Nice video, anyone know if you can do this mod to a cx2510?
I have the same tractor and agree it is underpowered! Do you think that cap could come off if I pried between the gap at the end of it and the block? Is there something like an indent that prevents it from coming off? Thanks for the video!
The cap has a little ring on the inside of it that retains it. There's really no way to remove it without destroying it
@@upstategearheads Thank you for the reply. I did the adjustment a couple days ago. Literally like night and day difference. Thanks for posting the original mod!
Can't find how to turn it up on a ck20 HST?
Why isn't this video getting more views ?? I Have dealer in PA that will do this for you " After" you put at Least 50 Hrs on Engine . Good Info !!
What dealer i m also in pa and looking to have this done and do they adjust the timing as well some people say the timing has to be adjusted as well as the fuel?
Hoover Tractor in Mifflinburg PA , (High Volume Kioti Dealer) Dwight-(Salesman) told me his Service guys do it for their Customers After 1st... Service- (50hrs) & they also Have a Dyno in their shop to set it up
@@rod7048 thanks for the info will definitely be looking into turning mine up.
@@rod7048 Just happened to stumble across this video after buying my new 2620 from Hoover last week. Lol. I’ll be asking them to do this for me at my 50 hour service!! Appreciate the info!
@rod7048 my dealer as well but prob not a good idea to post their info online
I would like to see before and after on pto dyno
If I could find one locally, I'd love to do it. It would make adjusting the screw much easier
I heard the 40,35,and 25 are the same motor? is that possible/ We have the 35.
Similar, but the 35 and 40 are computer controlled and use a much different style injection pump. I'm sure it's possible to turn it up but would have to be done with some sort of dealer programing
Please let us know if it does in fact add more working power and can you really notice it.
It definitely made a noticeable difference, check out the next video I had posted after this one as my review!
I have a ck3510se and I'm wondering if I can bump it up to a 40 horse, whats your thoughts on this idea.... thanks for your interesting video, Robert.
I don't believe it works the same with that since it is computer controlled
@@upstategearheads It's the same engine
@@bowdoin5063 negative. The 26 is totally mechanical injection whereas the 35 and 40 are electronically controlled
Very cool video I’m getting my ck 2610 next week it’s borderline power for what I need in pto power running a chipper and stump grinder was wondering if you knew if it would increase the Hp power at the pto as well?
@@upstategearheads Thank you / Agreed
Have you used the pto did it gain more pto power. Is This the only thing you had to do or do you have to mess with time etc
The fuel screw is the only thing I did, and it seems to have made a decent increase in pto power. Check out my recent video
@@upstategearheads that’s nice I seen a guy run a 12 brush hog with a 3510 so you might be able to get a larger one
How many total turns did you get? Think I counted at least 5 or 7
I can't give you an honest answer on that. When I was figuring out how it worked, it moved on me a bunch
I did this a few weeks ago and when I was removing the security cap the screw was loose and turning so I didn’t have a starting point. Any chance you did a baseline turns out before you adjusted it. Or, If you know how many turns from stock you adjusted it, could you do a quick reading of how many turns so I have a starting point. I also added a EGT gauge so I can keep an eye on that. Awesome video, thanks
No, unfortunately the same thing happened to me, so I just turned it up until I got the faint bit of smoke and backed it back off a touch and left it there
Are you guys saying the lock nut wasn't tight from the factory?
@@pmaint1 it seems that way, I just used the smoke method to set it but I would still like to have a benchmark to go by.
@@NewfontheLoose1 If these screws are loose from the factory that's not good. That could cause all sorts of problems exhaust temperatures and or lean conditions. It might be worth removing the cap just to make sure it's tight! I wonder what they would say about the warranty being voided then.
@@pmaint1 I'm not sure if it was loose prior or I loosened it while I was removing the cap... of all the people that have done it, I can't seem to get anyone to just screw it in and count the turns for me.
So since the turn up have you noticed much difference. Looking very seriously into getting the 2610 myself
Yup, it's made a huge difference. I run high range while mowing all the time now and I can run my 6' brush hog through thick grass much faster without it bogging down
Please let us know if there is a significant power difference. I love my CK2610 but, it needs more power.
I'm doing this to my Bobcat 2025. I don't care about the warranty, engine is easy to work on, like everything else on this tractor.
All that emmition just makes things worse
Hey man do it for dale
Do you know anything about a dpf on a bobcat 2040 ?
I heard you can just gut them and run'em ?
Same as a CK4010/4020, The computer sets regens on soot load, time, etc. No you can't just gut them, it will eventually derate and cause issues.
@ryangreenley4818 I'd been digging into this.
- Haven't looked into the coyote. I've been research the bobcat which from what I understand is the same.
On the Bobcat. They actually don't have a way to error out if the flow is "too free flowing". And they don't regenerate based on "time " alone.. The only time they regenerate and spray fuel into the filter as if it senses restriction from being clogged. Once the problem is "cleared " it won't Spray fuel to regenerate the filter..
@@tomhopkins6758 All I got is what I see in the software, I know they CAN be deleted via software, but I haven't seen anything else that holds up as it is looking for pressure changes in the filter at the very least, but there is triggers like time in there as well.
Can I do the same with a CX2510?
I believe so but I'm honestly not sure. Lots of mechanical diesels like that use a similar injection pump so I would imagine there's some sort of fuel control with it
Can I do this on my 4010 also?
Unfortunately the 35 and 40 are computer controlled so you cannot just turn up the fuel pump
Wonder what my 40hp would go to. It's brand new and being delivered tomorrow. Warranty...hmmm lol.
I have a Kioti CS2220 that appears to be set up exactly like this. The CS2520 uses the same engine and has approximately 3.5 more horsepower. I wouldn't mind bumping up the horsepower using this method in order to not bog down when snowblowing deep snow. Do you have any thoughts about whether this is doable, and approximately how much the screw should be adjusted?
I've read that some people are turning the screw in 2-3 turns, but my scree spun while I was removing the cap so I couldn't get an accurate setting so I just turned it in until I had a hint of black smoke under wide open and then backed it off a hair
Makes me think kioti had this in mind making it a bigger frame with under 25hp
I am looking at the same tractor.and Joyners is my closest dealer also.
How has Joyners been as a dealer?
Was the $18,800 OTD? / just for the tractor?
They were great and have been since I've bought the tractor. I was $18,800 out the door for the tractor and loader but didn't pay sales tax because of my Christmas tree farm. I also purchased a 6ft Sundown finish mower, had the tires loaded with Rim Guard and Joyner's own brand of pallet forks. But, I'm sure the price has gone up. I purchased mine in July of 2021 and with steel and fuel prices, I'm sure it's $19,500 or more now
Just got a package deal trailer tractor bush hog and box blade just under 25k
@David Groh did you purchase from Joyner's too? I think I'll be heading up there in a few days.
Will this work on a 2016 ck2510?
I found the tag on my engine it's a Daedong 3A165LWD. The ck2610 comes with a Daedong 3A165LWM-U. Not sure what the differnce is between the lwd and lwm-u
I'm not 100% sure on that, but I believe it might. You'll have to look and see if you've got the same style injection pump and fuel screw
@@dustindingman37563A165 in it so yes, some early ones had a smaller engine.
So noisy lifters are just a thing with these small tractors or what?
It's the injection pump that makes the noise
That "clanging & banging" that old school mechanically injected diesels make is FROM the slight pre-detonation of the almost full fuel charge before top dead center. Common-rail high-pressure common-rail computer controlled systems precision adjust for Maximum power & fuel efficiency resulting in near " gasoline sounding " profomance ; = 30% more Power for the fuel Used! My "old-school " tractor is a fuel-guzzing "black& grey" smoke belching-rattling hog;-although very reliable. The new Massey-Ferguson 1736m power-shuttle, & Kubota MX5200 shuttle shift transmission are both EXTREMELY Quiet Fuel Efficient.
Could we do the same on the new CK2620 ? 🤔
Yup, it's the same tractor with just a facelift
Yup. It's the same tractor with just some new styling
so there is no impact by doing this? engine issues? rich? lean? the why would the factory design it like this initially? seems odd its so easy to do?
This engine was originally 35 HP. When the emissions laws took effect, Kioti needed to make anything above 26 HP computer controlled for re-gen purposes. So instead of scraping this engine, they simply turned the fuel down to reduce its power. Diesels don't work like a gas engine. There's no throttle blade limiting intake air. The throttle only controls the amount of fuel in the engine. More fuel equals more power. Eventually you'll reach the point of diminishing returns and can go too rich, hence why you see some diesels spit the black smoke. As the fuel increases though, so does the exhaust gas temperature. Typically everyone just adjusts the fuel limit until you get a hint of faint black smoke and then turn it back half a turn to play it safe
@@upstategearheads interesting, ok. ty...nice
Will this work to make a CK3510SE a 40?
No it will not. The 3510 engine can become the 4010 but has to be done by PCM tuning.
I'm guessing this voids the 6 year warranty
It absolutely does.
🤔 Can you do this to the ck4010?
Unfortunately no. The 3510 and the 4010 are a different electronically controlled engine versus the 2610, which is an old school mechanical type diesel. In fact, the 3510 and the 4010 are the same engine, but the 4010 is programmed or tuned differently to give you extra horsepower. So essentially yours is already turned up from the factory
@@upstategearheads Still can barely lift anything with it. Tried moving lumber this weekend for a deck build and it STRUGGLED
@@Kick1776 the horsepower has nothing to do with the lifting capacity. That would be an adjustment in the pressure relief valve
How's the hp increase going 🤔
It's made a night and day difference in the tractor. Sure, you could buy a 35hp instead of turning up the 25, but it's a few thousand dollars extra and no DPF
@@upstategearheads copy can't locate the dealer or model I want 😳👴🐕🚜😥
Ty for replying appreciate your vids 🏆👏👴🐕🚜🤠
@@richardbritton5280 depending on you location, I'm in Upstate NY and Joyner's Inc in Mansville took great care of me
Can you dyno it?
If there was one locally available I would love to but I don't know anyone in the area that has one
@@upstategearheads any tractor dealer ship will have s pto dyno. So if they need to load test tractors
@@roweinnovation hmmmm, looks like I'll have to look into that then. Thanks!
@@upstategearheads yes all good. Hope you have a follow up of dyno test
Will this work on a Bobcat CT2025
Yes it will! Same exact machine!
anyone done this with a cx2510?
Not the same engine.
@@christophermedeiros3454 same style of pump, even pushing the hp to 28 would make a big difference
iS YOUR TRACTOR OUT OF WARRANGY????rW
It is now that the fuel is turned up
you advanced the Rack 25hp to 35? doubtfull plus its an idi 4-5hp more like it
want 35 add a turbo
It's a 35 hp deliberately turned down to 25 hp to meet emissions. Only difference was rack screw and 2* of timing. No hot rodding needed to bring it back up to normal spec.
Don't you worry about your warranty.
I wasn't
if your worried about warranty, the option is always there to just buy a new tamper proof cap. they're like 10 bucks. with the cap back on theres not a really an easy way for a dealership to know you messed with the rack adjustment. kioti part #: E6305-54421 or bobcat part #: 7380013
@@lwipp can you point me anywhere that shows how to install the cap?
@@lwipp would you be able to provide contact details of where i can purchase this cap ? I have been searching but everywhere i checked it’s sold out !
It's just a cap you pull it off
We are not a fan of government juice and d p f filters
Horrible
Why?
@@upstategearheads He is probably a dealer,, LOL