Detailing for me is about having that ocd, passion to get my car to it's best from the outside to the inside. I have noticed that too many detailing channels, people are becoming more and more marketing focused, hype and brand placing at every opportunity. I love trying different products, i try and fail with some, get excellent results with others but the passion keeps flowing.
Agreed, although, I appreciate the forensic portion of this. Very objective and presents the good with the bad (or unknown) problems. That said, ceramic outperforms wax in every way in my experience
Can’t wait for graphene to be super easy to manufacture. It’s going to revolutionize a lot of things. Rubber, plastics, protection, all that. Can’t wait to see what’s gonna go on
John at first I thought it was pricey until I thought about the fact that you said the Si02 (the good stuff) lasts 6 months and cost USD 69 (amazon price), and the ArtDeShine is USD 180 but it last 5 years, made me reconsider my comments. I now consider USD 180 at 5 yrs a bargain compared to USD 69 for six months. Food for thought. By the way, the music was a little distracting, so my suggestion would be to turn it down a bit and let us concentrate on you. You are the reason why I tune in, but the music was a nice touch, just a little too loud for me. Thanks.
David Cooper yep, same here. I’m not interested in anything that lasts five year and may need compounding off at a later stage. I love waxing my car a few times a year and standing back to admire my work.
Very good stuff we done so far 8 cars with it at Auto detail valeting in Dublin and performance very well customers see massive difference to keeping car clean. Great reviews
Your use of the same bird to do its droppings on both of the test panels in order to maintain the scientific validity of the test is commendable, keep up the good work.
I well remember Monty Python, Some Mothers do Have Em, and Inspector Clouseau sketches featuring in some of the Forensic Detailing videos. I would definitely like to see more of that instead of hearing just music, or just ASMR the sound of the task being performed is fine also. And I would like to see more on the E46 Club Sarnie. Followed that car with great interest last year.
You can "rent" doves for weddings in the states. That may be something that could be helpful in bird dropping testing in the future. You could leave the test hood under their cage for an hour or so.
Christopher Hobbs or just look at a parking lot ... find a space that has large amounts of bird droppings on the ground . Park there . Under trees usually
I made some carbon nanotubes once, graphene is even easier to *create*. The problem due to its delicate nature is manipulating it in large scale manufacturing in a cost effective way. Graphene is a ballistic conductor[zero resistance] and is stronger than steel relatively speaking. Its also transparent because of its thinness. If they threw a few trillion at developing its potential vs endless forever wars for the defence industry we'd probably solve a tonne of problems in the process. There is a tonne of hype for a reason, the big problem is working with such fine materials is super difficult!
I’ve been testing SPS Graphene and it has potential. The issue is the amount of Graphene within the product. It is not a cheap ingredient to use. It will take time to get into the hands of the prosumer as these new Graphene products are being aimed towards the professional. SiO2 is tried and true and Graphene has a lot of work ahead. We shall see if it makes its way as the next coating material. It’s a bit hyped at the moment.
@@ForensicDetailing yes i heard they are from the same person who made them, same products. Can you please do experiment with the Artdeshine metal oxide? its new tech as well, i want to know if its more prone to water etching vs other ceramic coatings
To late mate I’ve just had my t6 ceramic coated . This clip reminds me of tvs , like me two years ago I bought a top of the range Samsung for two grand , now less than 500 ! Progress , it’s progress and I cant keep up !
Glynn just like VHS and Betamax, DVD and BlueRay, DVD Audio and Super Audio. 🤪 Just ceramic coated our car, so this will have to wait. But on the bright side, it’ll give me more time to watch reviews, application and testing videos. 👍
Exactly, if Graphene could be applied on paint in its true hexagonal single atom sheets then it'd have to applied in a lab, not a spray bottle and a wipe. This is probably just ceramic based product with some graphite mixed in.
Spot on. I was at the Hifi show in Bristol three years ago. A company had produced a graphene rca cable, cost for 0.5m £450. A rep came upto me and started on the benefits of this magic cable, nonsense, I walked away. You are so correct, car detailing products are going the same way, bold claims, nonsense. I use carnauba wax by a Brazilian company, that's it, it works.
@The Stig's English cousin You sure you know what you're talking about there buddy? If you could elaborate your point a bit more. I could be misunderstanding you.
@@a0r0a7 Well, 3 years ago you say? Then it's not nonsense. And not just mere bold claims either. Properties of graphene are actually excellent, even for cables. Very high electrical conductivity, thus very low "bleeding". This leads to a massive increase of performance and quality, as well as efficiency. But, the cost. YIKES! That is true because, as simple as it sounds, this is not a mass produce raw material. Only a handful were producing it and it's rather costly to do so. It costs more than silver. That's something you've got to understand FIRST. It costs more than silver and I believe more than gold too. If it was a golden rca cable for 450 per 0.5m, it probably wouldn't sound so "nonsense" but rather more of just some luxury item. Now considering this, graphene, used to cost more than gold. Just add a brand to the product + expensive raw material, I'm afraid you were offered a luxury item then pal. The price of graphene has dropped a TON since then.
how is it going for you now? i heard Mike G from youtube got water spots from all the ceramic coatings he used in the past check him out. What did you use for a topper?
Agreed. This should have been done in this video. Looks like an advertisement for the in2detailing store, which he links solely to. Can't even buy the graphene silane sealant from them if you live in the US because its imported from there. Its actually an SPS Coatings product.
Agreed, I have tried several different coatings on several cars. I have no dog in this fight, I'm banker, not trying to sell any product. The gyeon kit has been my absolute favorite.
I've always wanted to try ceramic coats, and now this 1. But how would I be able to if I don't have a garage? Can I still apply it outside in my 'off road parking space' out the front of my house? Or will I be waisting my time?
Graphene is one of the few miracle products that actually can do everything they say it can. The "problem" is it is very hard to make enough of it in a timely manner and cheap enough.
My problem with these long term coatings is fallout and scratches. If you get a scratch you need to wet sand and polish it is going to be a lot of work to get that coating off. When it comes to fallout I like slickness which means each year I need to spray a fallout remover, clay, polish and apply a polymer sealant. I would much rather do that work with the TW Ceramic products. I want durability sure, but car paint takes abuse and you have spruce it up every six months to a year. I can tell you I TW Seal n Shine on my vehicle now and it got the best water beading in the parking lot right now.
good general point against coatings you make there.. over the course of a year the chance of a car needing paintwork is pretty damn high.. and removing the coating properly in the areas it needs to be removed is a major pain for some. and then reapplying a coating, but also waiting adequante time for the refinish work to cure.. coatings never fully went main stream.. but I also think they went beyond just being niche because they do offer some genuine advantages.
Great video Jon! Once SPS Graphene (the US version) to the general public, I plan on trying it out. I have used the new IGL F4 with Graphene and worked great. Unlike ArtDeShine and SPS that applies like a coating, IGL F4 is a cream that is worked in with a polisher.
The super-soft paint on that chopped-up Honda S2000 front wing will definitely benefit from this protection. I'm surprised the product has been around since 2010, according to the claims and nonsense on the bottle, but I will definitely be buying it. Very thorough review, even if I was annoyed by the annoying music, which can be annoying.
I first came across Graphene in Vittoria bike tyres with claims of better puncture resistance through the products strength and lower rolling resistance, there is talk of bike frames being made from Graphene in the future and they will weigh half the weight of carbon fibre, I had certainly never considered it would become available in coatings but if it repels dirt and water spots less than ceramic coatings then I can certainly understand why the manufacturers believe the product is the future, it will be interesting to see how the product performs when you apply it to your own car for real world tests, thank you for another informative video 👍
I’ve done two cars with SPS Graphene and so far I like it. I can’t say if it will last 5 years or not, most people don’t even keep their vehicles that long, but it does look different than an SIO2 coating. It seems to have more depth to the shine. I know these things are subjective so try it for yourself and report back with your observations.
Thank you Jon! But all those who don't have a garage, like me, are going to be excluded again ? in my country it can rain at any time without notice...
I went to a university lecture from the guy that invented Graphene, it is a revolutionary product, but for now I still enjoy the pleasure of a coat of Fusso (old mix) too much to want to change, also recently very impressed with Bouncers Dune and Dusted SI QD, its out performing Sonax IMO
Great review, I've heard about graphene for the first time last year but realized there aren't really many products (or reviews etc) on the market. If you want to have this tested, send it my way, I will test it for 5 years on my freshly painted daily driver. :D
The only benefit I can see in this over a good quality ceramic coating is if it offers stone chip protection. That would make it a whole lot cheaper than PPF.
I use Nano Bond Pro Ceramic Hard coat.. After I use Meguiars Hybrid CeramicWax.. Them 2 have made my car not only shine but protects it from damn near everything and Super water proof.. when it rains it almost looks like my car stays dry.. Funny thing is it does
To answer your question about compatibility with other products. I DO NOT know the answer however graphene is basically carbon and the molecule of carbon is probably the most compatible with other molecules. Carbon can combine with mostly anything so I would say anything from the cheap turtle wax all the way up to what ever synthetic coating you can think of would be fine.
Graphene creates a hellacious amount of gloss. I have the SPS graphene detailer and IGL F4 Renew. Both products produce insane amounts of gloss. Haven't had either long enough to report on longevity but I can say after 3 washes with an aggressive snow foam (Autoglym Polar Blast) the hydrophobic behavior remains unchanged. The real benefit of choosing graphene over Si02 is graphene resists water spotting.
My question as a professional installer is “will this product not drop little glass specs onto the application pad potentially scratching paint” because of this doesn’t then it’s a complete game changer. The reduction in risk of scratching while installing is huge for me.
Hmmmm I'm into Material Science, and im having a hard time understanding how graphene helps the cars on the surface. Sorry but I am not buying this or buying into it.
Graphene sells for 100$-200$/gram... henceforth the price...even if i doubt the products who is sold today with graphene...how big percentage of graphene is really in there?
Finally, you know I've been waiting for these videos Jon 😋 The hydrophobic properties of that coating look very impressive. I hope you get a chance to try the Graphene "Wax" they do too it looked really interesting being so clear. I think metallic paint looks nicer though more translucent waxes.
Can you please test the igl F4 Renew product. I tried searching your video’s and didn’t see it. If you already did this test please attach the link. Thanks
I was thinking the same, I’ve applied Autoglym Carbon Shield (Australian version of Lifeshine) to my car and it’s been great so far. I’d love a comparison.
These graphene coatings will be the big thing and out perform ceramics, but I want to be trying the carbon collective molecule topped with Nero for 7 years protection and self healing properties, will have to see how the graphene coatings evolve a more companies play around with it, think the self healing properties will be a bigger factor than scratch resistance with these coatings in the next few years
The reason why the ceramic coating stopped sheeting is because it was shocked by the acid. Give it about 7 days at the most and it will have its hydrophobic properties back. It’s a whole different beast in slang terms
My issues with background music is, when I listen to music I really listen and when I am trying to learn I really try to learn. So for me I love both but not at the same time as one dissolves the other and I wish they enhanced one another. When I am just doing mindless things music can be a joy. Just a thought :)
Compatibility is gonna be in the Polymer group. Hence Xtreme Solutions PolySeal and the like minus the Carnuba types. The main benefit I’ve seen is the water spots. They don’t adhere to the surface at all . A comparison coating would be IGL F4 applied every 4. ( $30 a bottle ). So this isn’t as cost effective. But if it’s available to the US market I’ll try it out.
Is the pigeon squeezing an integral part of the process or is it optional? Darn. Just thought I finally understood ceramic coatings and there we go: another option.
Another great review, mate. On the first glimpse it does look to be a superior product. BUT when compared to value for money I honestly think people will choose the cheaper material that does the trick. For show room shine cars, rarities, high end cars yes. For every day driving, I am not so sure. There is a certain product, available for 50 € and also has 5year expectancy. The company is named after a mountain (no shilling intended). 180£ VS. 50€? Its up to the customer to decide.
Using igl f4 renew with graphene, altho not a graphene infused ceramic coating, a semi damp cloths makes wipe off easier , the graphene seems to kind of harden on the surface . I love it .
I've had the US Distribution of the Art d' Shine Graphene Coating (SPS) in my daily driver since May of 2019. So far it's doing quite well, resists spotting, chemical contamination. My daily driver doesn't get all that much 'love' and now that it's Winter in NE Ohio, we'll see how the SPS Graphene held up come Springtime. So far though, it's been quite impressive on my black 2017 Honda Accord that sees 20k miles a year, 95% of that freeway use. In our climate, nothing kills coatings quicker than Winter freeway usage, a few months I'll know how this held up to that. I'm not a professional by any means, just kinda a 'coating junkie' that got the opportunity to give it a try. No affiliation with SPS, Art d' Shine or any other entity. Kept some notes on the Graphene experience, can find them here if interested: budgetplan1.wordpress.com/sps-graphene-coating/
The first I saw of it was as a replacement to conventional chemicals in antifoul. The reason it never took off is the cost of it. But it came with some amazing claims about longevity.
Electrical conductivity will come into play when your clean car is exposed to dust and pollen. If your paint conducts electricity then it will not hold a static charge, or it will not hold as strong of a static charge. Therefore, less dust will stick to your car.
Great video as usual! I am certain that graphene is going to revolutionise many industries. Think spray-on tv screens! I believe graphene was first discovered in the UK. (Please ‘lose’ the pianist though!!)
Nice video - without all the snorting and sucking in your snot. I wonder how this product will hold up on a vehicle that is not showroom condition to start with - like 95% of the vehicles out there.
A few years ago I saw an item on an American news programme. They had a Nissan car with a factory coating that repelled dirt. They threw dirty water and coffee on the bodywork which sheeted straight off leaving nothing behind. A revolution. But it never went mainstream. Do you know what it was? And was it removed due to pressure from the detailing industry?
The coating need 7 days to cure and needs toping up with Graphene Maintenance coat every 8 months, no need to use a damp cloth too. Graphene can only use back graphene serie if used with other products you will start getting water spotting
things are still breaking on it quicker than I can fix man :) ill shoot a crappy potatoe cam update on the forensic unplugged channel soon.. still drives damn good though nick. Or lets say its fun to drive with a few minor ailments ;)
I believe you're correct. GRAPHENE is the future. The problem, as I see it, will be the claims made by the manufacturers of car products as to the amount of graphene in their products. There is no process or procedure to test the product or the claims of the manufacturer at this time. A little worrisome at the current price.
Jon, first of all, your channel is awesome! That test with wonder wheels on the bonnet, would other long term ceramic coatings fair as well, as it looks impressive..
i would expect a normal 1-2 year consumer ceramic to be able to take a hammering from wonderwheels.. but I think I might see some slow down like I did with the CP light.. but Im guessing. It sat on there for around 4 hours over the course of 3-4 hits. That live hit was the 4th hit not the 3rd.. ill see what happens to the test panel over the next 6 months and ill hit it with random things when I wash the cars.
I’m a pharmacist and I am concerned with the long term chronic exposure of inhaled silicone dioxide as detailers aerosolize these coatings on vehicles daily. I’m concerned as we chase more and more durable coatings in our exuberance we fail to consider long term effects of inhaling these coatings as we apply them. We have no clue as to the long term exposure to Graphene. 🤔
yes top draw point. detail spray says use like a mask as well. I was wondering if that was just like because it has a small amount of solvent in it so by law they have to put the appropriate safety action like wear gogles and mask etc.. or its specifically cause of the graphene.. like you say we probably dont know the health implications of graphene but TBH I think all these chemicals are not gonna be great in our lungs.. even like aluminum oxide when poishing..
Ideally you would want at least a single layer of graphene. One big piece over each panel. This is millions or billions of small oxidated sheets nestled into cracks and deposited with polydimethylsiloxane.
Ho Jon, this graphene product has been a topic for a while. I keep commenting on “How easy is this to Remove”? Even you did’t mention this. It’s the first question I ask. If it is major surgery, I wouldn’t have it. Just small repairs could be a nightmare.
I have to guess based on the fact Ive never have to remove it. but judging by the applicator cloth.. I would treat this resin like a ceramic.. It will need to be abraded off the car. someone else said it was easy enough to compound off in the comments. but ive just not done it first had so not sure.. I suspect it will be a pain to remove just because its so hard to tell. (basically like ceramics)
Yo Stepehen dont forget you can message me on patreon any time and I will answer. the comments stream on you tube is just like a continualy flowing river thats very hard to keep up with (I fail to keep up with it) patreon I will reply to everything guerentee'd (unless Im dead ;) ) message me on there and we can get this community post thing sorted me.
Detailing for me is about having that ocd, passion to get my car to it's best from the outside to the inside. I have noticed that too many detailing channels, people are becoming more and more marketing focused, hype and brand placing at every opportunity. I love trying different products, i try and fail with some, get excellent results with others but the passion keeps flowing.
I'm currently raising pigeons to test bird droppings on my test hood.... Apply gentle, steady squeezing pressure and you'll get perfect bird poops...
Miranda Detailing 😂🤣
He said he would squeeze it twice. He sounded a whole lot like the sound the goose made on Courage the cowardly dog lol. @6:58
I'm using Emus I found them to produce a lot more but they are growing too big and taking a lot of space up in the house not sure what to do
Toxy Dude!!! 🤣
Already lost ownership of the ground floor to them not sure how long I've got
I feel your channel is unique in the detailing genre, you deserve way more subscribers, thanks for your videos.
thanks Daniel. guys like yourself with kind words are the reason Im still doing this.
You don't have to force feed a pigeon, just wash your car and they will shit all over it!
Sea Gulls in my case.
Car detailing products are getting like women’s cosmetics with similar price tags and advertising.
So true. I use mothers carnauba wax. 15 dollars. Works great.
Seriously. A million products with the same bs. I just go with a simple sealant every season
Small bottles of products for stupidly big prices
I used my wife’s anti-wrinke cream on the doors. Took the dings right out.
Agreed, although, I appreciate the forensic portion of this. Very objective and presents the good with the bad (or unknown) problems. That said, ceramic outperforms wax in every way in my experience
Can’t wait for graphene to be super easy to manufacture. It’s going to revolutionize a lot of things. Rubber, plastics, protection, all that. Can’t wait to see what’s gonna go on
Jeremy S it already is easy lol
John Smith it’s easy to make but hard to mass produce
The climate changers will put a stop to that.
@@billmccann217 surely they would encourage this to become more mainstream
Jeremy S Sellotape for the win 😄
I guess I'm gonna keep rocking my new turtle Wax stuff.
Me too. I have the hybrid solution set. Works like a charm.
Printer ink just lost the title of “most expensive liquid” 🙈
Seems you does not have a wife.. with all the perfumes ;-) Just checked 50ml for 180 quid... puuh. thats a whole lot. tax for a new product
According to Qi racehorse semen is the most expensive liquid.
@@st200ol Just waiting for horse semen detailing products......very slick I hear 😊
@@kidoctane The perfect finishing touch to your Mustang...
@@kidoctane Tasty too 😏
John at first I thought it was pricey until I thought about the fact that you said the Si02 (the good stuff) lasts 6 months and cost USD 69 (amazon price), and the ArtDeShine is USD 180 but it last 5 years, made me reconsider my comments. I now consider USD 180 at 5 yrs a bargain compared to USD 69 for six months. Food for thought. By the way, the music was a little distracting, so my suggestion would be to turn it down a bit and let us concentrate on you. You are the reason why I tune in, but the music was a nice touch, just a little too loud for me. Thanks.
All these coatings that last for years are pointless for myself as I enjoy trying different waxes/sealants , Bilt Hamber auto balm still my go to.
True. Most of it hype
I still like laying down a good sealant (Duragloss 111) and in the summer applying Zymol Creame or Carbon.
Yeah so true, I love it when my cars filthy and have new stuff to try 👍
David Cooper yep, same here. I’m not interested in anything that lasts five year and may need compounding off at a later stage. I love waxing my car a few times a year and standing back to admire my work.
Makes it easier to wash when you can't wax every week
Very good stuff we done so far 8 cars with it at Auto detail valeting in Dublin and performance very well customers see massive difference to keeping car clean. Great reviews
Your use of the same bird to do its droppings on both of the test panels in order to maintain the scientific validity of the test is commendable, keep up the good work.
I missed that part and now I HAVE to go back and watch it
Am I the only one hearing this music? Omg am I going insane??
I was trying to add like mood but it went tits up and instead its like a medieval folk festival in the background :)
It was so distracting haha
@@ForensicDetailing medieval folk fest car detailing Asmr
Yeah it’s shit.. sorry mate but we only want to hear your voice :)
I well remember Monty Python, Some Mothers do Have Em, and Inspector Clouseau sketches featuring in some of the Forensic Detailing videos. I would definitely like to see more of that instead of hearing just music, or just ASMR the sound of the task being performed is fine also. And I would like to see more on the E46 Club Sarnie. Followed that car with great interest last year.
£180!!!! That’s more than my cars worth! The distilled water is probably used to stop water spotting before it’s set.
Should coat the golfs lower sill on one side as a long term test
I have been waiting years for this to hit the market - should be the new standard in auto detailing very soon
You can "rent" doves for weddings in the states. That may be something that could be helpful in bird dropping testing in the future. You could leave the test hood under their cage for an hour or so.
Christopher Hobbs or just look at a parking lot ... find a space that has large amounts of bird droppings on the ground . Park there . Under trees usually
This is the second video I have seen on the new Graphene and it looks very interesting. Can’t wait to try it some day. Nice thorough video Jon.
I made some carbon nanotubes once, graphene is even easier to *create*. The problem due to its delicate nature is manipulating it in large scale manufacturing in a cost effective way. Graphene is a ballistic conductor[zero resistance] and is stronger than steel relatively speaking. Its also transparent because of its thinness. If they threw a few trillion at developing its potential vs endless forever wars for the defence industry we'd probably solve a tonne of problems in the process. There is a tonne of hype for a reason, the big problem is working with such fine materials is super difficult!
I’ve been testing SPS Graphene and it has potential. The issue is the amount of Graphene within the product. It is not a cheap ingredient to use. It will take time to get into the hands of the prosumer as these new Graphene products are being aimed towards the professional.
SiO2 is tried and true and Graphene has a lot of work ahead. We shall see if it makes its way as the next coating material. It’s a bit hyped at the moment.
is this the same product as SPS graphene Mike or very similair?
@@ForensicDetailing yes i heard they are from the same person who made them, same products. Can you please do experiment with the Artdeshine metal oxide? its new tech as well, i want to know if its more prone to water etching vs other ceramic coatings
To late mate I’ve just had my t6 ceramic coated . This clip reminds me of tvs , like me two years ago I bought a top of the range Samsung for two grand , now less than 500 ! Progress , it’s progress and I cant keep up !
Glynn just like VHS and Betamax, DVD and BlueRay, DVD Audio and Super Audio. 🤪
Just ceramic coated our car, so this will have to wait. But on the bright side, it’ll give me more time to watch reviews, application and testing videos. 👍
Car detailing is taking the way of HI FI, lots of marketing BS, lots of gulible prospects, lots of shills, lots of ripping off.
Exactly, if Graphene could be applied on paint in its true hexagonal single atom sheets then it'd have to applied in a lab, not a spray bottle and a wipe. This is probably just ceramic based product with some graphite mixed in.
Use simple carnuba wax, all smoke and mirrors
Spot on. I was at the Hifi show in Bristol three years ago. A company had produced a graphene rca cable, cost for 0.5m £450. A rep came upto me and started on the benefits of this magic cable, nonsense, I walked away. You are so correct, car detailing products are going the same way, bold claims, nonsense. I use carnauba wax by a Brazilian company, that's it, it works.
@The Stig's English cousin You sure you know what you're talking about there buddy? If you could elaborate your point a bit more. I could be misunderstanding you.
@@a0r0a7 Well, 3 years ago you say? Then it's not nonsense. And not just mere bold claims either. Properties of graphene are actually excellent, even for cables. Very high electrical conductivity, thus very low "bleeding". This leads to a massive increase of performance and quality, as well as efficiency. But, the cost. YIKES! That is true because, as simple as it sounds, this is not a mass produce raw material. Only a handful were producing it and it's rather costly to do so. It costs more than silver. That's something you've got to understand FIRST. It costs more than silver and I believe more than gold too. If it was a golden rca cable for 450 per 0.5m, it probably wouldn't sound so "nonsense" but rather more of just some luxury item. Now considering this, graphene, used to cost more than gold. Just add a brand to the product + expensive raw material, I'm afraid you were offered a luxury item then pal. The price of graphene has dropped a TON since then.
I have artdeshine graphene coating on a family members car, have to say it's very very good.
Zero bird etchings or water spotting.
how is it going for you now? i heard Mike G from youtube got water spots from all the ceramic coatings he used in the past check him out. What did you use for a topper?
Interesting stuff, love the mini bonnet and rain box. Great for showing hydrofobic coatings.
for the price, i'll pass and stick with my Soft 99 Fusso old formula
Same here, and BSD or DDsi as a topper! My can of Fusso will over last my car 2017 car...
I put the old Fusso99 on my car and it didn't even last 12 hours of driving.
I understand R&D very much. When companies bring new products out they tend to hit the market hard but don’t out price themselves.
so you think they have priced themselves of the mass market.. this statement I agree with..
For your foam ceramic blocks, cut slits in the sides of the block with a razor blade so you can show your microsuede cloth into the side.
thats a top tip right there brett.. some do have them dont they, but yer helps stop that flapping thanks buddy
I would love to see it up against a full strength ceramic (i.e CQuartz UK 3.0) and see how the two hold up on a test car
Agreed. This should have been done in this video. Looks like an advertisement for the in2detailing store, which he links solely to. Can't even buy the graphene silane sealant from them if you live in the US because its imported from there. Its actually an SPS Coatings product.
@@Forzoma Lol. If you actually visit the website, you can order it. It is expensive, but available. It is $119.39 for the 30ml bottle.
Forzoma He’s friends with the owner of in2detailing so always take his recommendations for their products with a pinch of salt.
Agreed, I have tried several different coatings on several cars. I have no dog in this fight, I'm banker, not trying to sell any product. The gyeon kit has been my absolute favorite.
@@williamj6033Gyeon kit? Which one?
You have made me excited about this Jon, it looks like a very interesting new product... 🤩
Thanks very much for all the information! 😊
I've always wanted to try ceramic coats, and now this 1. But how would I be able to if I don't have a garage? Can I still apply it outside in my 'off road parking space' out the front of my house? Or will I be waisting my time?
Graphene is one of the few miracle products that actually can do everything they say it can. The "problem" is it is very hard to make enough of it in a timely manner and cheap enough.
My problem with these long term coatings is fallout and scratches. If you get a scratch you need to wet sand and polish it is going to be a lot of work to get that coating off. When it comes to fallout I like slickness which means each year I need to spray a fallout remover, clay, polish and apply a polymer sealant. I would much rather do that work with the TW Ceramic products. I want durability sure, but car paint takes abuse and you have spruce it up every six months to a year. I can tell you I TW Seal n Shine on my vehicle now and it got the best water beading in the parking lot right now.
good general point against coatings you make there.. over the course of a year the chance of a car needing paintwork is pretty damn high.. and removing the coating properly in the areas it needs to be removed is a major pain for some. and then reapplying a coating, but also waiting adequante time for the refinish work to cure.. coatings never fully went main stream.. but I also think they went beyond just being niche because they do offer some genuine advantages.
Great video Jon! Once SPS Graphene (the US version) to the general public, I plan on trying it out. I have used the new IGL F4 with Graphene and worked great. Unlike ArtDeShine and SPS that applies like a coating, IGL F4 is a cream that is worked in with a polisher.
I’m going to coat my car this summer. Got to admit, I’m tempted by this!
I am a Certified Installer for Ceramitech Pro (UK) in the US. Our Top Coating is Graphene and it's a 1 layer Self Healing Coating.
I saw Apex Detail using graphene...cant wait for more products!
Also, if polishing whilst the product is still wet, it will dry onto cloths, similar to the issues with ceramic coatings
Wow that product looks amazing, would love to see it put against a 5yr ceramic product to see how it compares. Great vlog as always Jon 👍
Callaway golf use graphene in their golf balls now. Started using it last year i believe.
The super-soft paint on that chopped-up Honda S2000 front wing will definitely benefit from this protection. I'm surprised the product has been around since 2010, according to the claims and nonsense on the bottle, but I will definitely be buying it. Very thorough review, even if I was annoyed by the annoying music, which can be annoying.
I first came across Graphene in Vittoria bike tyres with claims of better puncture resistance through the products strength and lower rolling resistance, there is talk of bike frames being made from Graphene in the future and they will weigh half the weight of carbon fibre, I had certainly never considered it would become available in coatings but if it repels dirt and water spots less than ceramic coatings then I can certainly understand why the manufacturers believe the product is the future, it will be interesting to see how the product performs when you apply it to your own car for real world tests, thank you for another informative video 👍
Well.. I'm convinced! Going to check it out!
I’ve done two cars with SPS Graphene and so far I like it. I can’t say if it will last 5 years or not, most people don’t even keep their vehicles that long, but it does look different than an SIO2 coating. It seems to have more depth to the shine. I know these things are subjective so try it for yourself and report back with your observations.
Thank you Jon! But all those who don't have a garage, like me, are going to be excluded again ? in my country it can rain at any time without notice...
Move out
FINALLY graphene has made it to detailing!
Brian from Apex detail introduced me to it freaking awesome stuff love it
Forensic detailing is king
@@DavidC1 you must not be very familiar with Brian then. That dude is as good as it gets. He is the "professional's professional" so to speak. 👍👌✌
why piano music over your talking ??? Distracting matey!
to distract you
it suxs I agree like a wierd funeral lol but it made me chuckle.....
@@ForensicDetailing Ha! Well played Sir!
It's doing my head in.
Forensic Detailing Channel you’re going a bit ‘Mad Professor’ mate 😂😂😂
Waiting on the white coat mob coming to take you away 😂😂😂😂😂
Yes, a bit distracting. We can only concentrate on one thing!
I went to a university lecture from the guy that invented Graphene, it is a revolutionary product, but for now I still enjoy the pleasure of a coat of Fusso (old mix) too much to want to change, also recently very impressed with Bouncers Dune and Dusted SI QD, its out performing Sonax IMO
Great review, I've heard about graphene for the first time last year but realized there aren't really many products (or reviews etc) on the market. If you want to have this tested, send it my way, I will test it for 5 years on my freshly painted daily driver. :D
Pioneer John! Thanks for another great video. A bit too expensive for me, and for the value of my car. I am at the meguairs hybrid lvl 🤣
Awesome!!! Just threw out all my turtle wax and will stock my collection with these now!
David C 😂😂😂
Lmao
The only benefit I can see in this over a good quality ceramic coating is if it offers stone chip protection. That would make it a whole lot cheaper than PPF.
Jaw dropping! Forensic detailing on the frontlines!!!!!!!!
I'm sure the "Ceramic" SiO2 products uses the silica from the factory I work at and the same PDMS
I use Nano Bond Pro Ceramic Hard coat.. After I use Meguiars Hybrid CeramicWax.. Them 2 have made my car not only shine but protects it from damn near everything and Super water proof.. when it rains it almost looks like my car stays dry.. Funny thing is it does
To answer your question about compatibility with other products. I DO NOT know the answer however graphene is basically carbon and the molecule of carbon is probably the most compatible with other molecules. Carbon can combine with mostly anything so I would say anything from the cheap turtle wax all the way up to what ever synthetic coating you can think of would be fine.
Graphene creates a hellacious amount of gloss. I have the SPS graphene detailer and IGL F4 Renew. Both products produce insane amounts of gloss. Haven't had either long enough to report on longevity but I can say after 3 washes with an aggressive snow foam (Autoglym Polar Blast) the hydrophobic behavior remains unchanged. The real benefit of choosing graphene over Si02 is graphene resists water spotting.
First time viewer. New subscriber. Best from Canada! Thank you. Very well produced.
My question as a professional installer is “will this product not drop little glass specs onto the application pad potentially scratching paint” because of this doesn’t then it’s a complete game changer. The reduction in risk of scratching while installing is huge for me.
from what Ive seen it doesnt do this Jared. let me take a look at the bottle though. but 99% sure it does not do this.
Love your rain device simulator
Hmmmm I'm into Material Science, and im having a hard time understanding how graphene helps the cars on the surface.
Sorry but I am not buying this or buying into it.
A seriously appreciate your detailed testing! Great job!
Great video! Ive been waiting for some of this to come to market. Thank you! For all the info! Love your channel!!
Graphene sells for 100$-200$/gram... henceforth the price...even if i doubt the products who is sold today with graphene...how big percentage of graphene is really in there?
Finally, you know I've been waiting for these videos Jon 😋 The hydrophobic properties of that coating look very impressive.
I hope you get a chance to try the Graphene "Wax" they do too it looked really interesting being so clear. I think metallic paint looks nicer though more translucent waxes.
Can you please test the igl F4 Renew product. I tried searching your video’s and didn’t see it. If you already did this test please attach the link. Thanks
Lovely unboxing experience and product presentation.
"Just need to find a participating Pidgeon" - Never Change John!
AUTOGLYM LIFESHINE-Carbon Shield
Apparently use that technology for a couple of years now
Means we need a comparison!!
I was thinking the same, I’ve applied Autoglym Carbon Shield (Australian version of Lifeshine) to my car and it’s been great so far. I’d love a comparison.
Was waiting for this one 👍🏻, used to love ADS stuff especially their sicko coating and their NGPS
Never had a problem with water spotting on our ceramic coatings. It’s all in the care while it’s curing.
These graphene coatings will be the big thing and out perform ceramics, but I want to be trying the carbon collective molecule topped with Nero for 7 years protection and self healing properties, will have to see how the graphene coatings evolve a more companies play around with it, think the self healing properties will be a bigger factor than scratch resistance with these coatings in the next few years
The reason why the ceramic coating stopped sheeting is because it was shocked by the acid. Give it about 7 days at the most and it will have its hydrophobic properties back. It’s a whole different beast in slang terms
no it hasnt come back.
My issues with background music is, when I listen to music I really listen and when I am trying to learn I really try to learn. So for me I love both but not at the same time as one dissolves the other and I wish they enhanced one another. When I am just doing mindless things music can be a joy. Just a thought :)
Compatibility is gonna be in the Polymer group. Hence Xtreme Solutions PolySeal and the like minus the Carnuba types. The main benefit I’ve seen is the water spots. They don’t adhere to the surface at all . A comparison coating would be IGL F4 applied every 4. ( $30 a bottle ). So this isn’t as cost effective. But if it’s available to the US market I’ll try it out.
Is the pigeon squeezing an integral part of the process or is it optional?
Darn. Just thought I finally understood ceramic coatings and there we go: another option.
Another great review, mate.
On the first glimpse it does look to be a superior product.
BUT when compared to value for money I honestly think people will choose the cheaper material that does the trick.
For show room shine cars, rarities, high end cars yes.
For every day driving, I am not so sure.
There is a certain product, available for 50 € and also has 5year expectancy.
The company is named after a mountain (no shilling intended).
180£ VS. 50€?
Its up to the customer to decide.
Using igl f4 renew with graphene, altho not a graphene infused ceramic coating, a semi damp cloths makes wipe off easier , the graphene seems to kind of harden on the surface . I love it .
I've had the US Distribution of the Art d' Shine Graphene Coating (SPS) in my daily driver since May of 2019. So far it's doing quite well, resists spotting, chemical contamination. My daily driver doesn't get all that much 'love' and now that it's Winter in NE Ohio, we'll see how the SPS Graphene held up come Springtime. So far though, it's been quite impressive on my black 2017 Honda Accord that sees 20k miles a year, 95% of that freeway use.
In our climate, nothing kills coatings quicker than Winter freeway usage, a few months I'll know how this held up to that. I'm not a professional by any means, just kinda a 'coating junkie' that got the opportunity to give it a try. No affiliation with SPS, Art d' Shine or any other entity.
Kept some notes on the Graphene experience, can find them here if interested: budgetplan1.wordpress.com/sps-graphene-coating/
The first I saw of it was as a replacement to conventional chemicals in antifoul. The reason it never took off is the cost of it. But it came with some amazing claims about longevity.
Electrical conductivity will come into play when your clean car is exposed to dust and pollen. If your paint conducts electricity then it will not hold a static charge, or it will not hold as strong of a static charge. Therefore, less dust will stick to your car.
Keeping an eye out for the 2019 awards 😀👍 great videos mate.
Great video as usual! I am certain that graphene is going to revolutionise many industries. Think spray-on tv screens! I believe graphene was first discovered in the UK. (Please ‘lose’ the pianist though!!)
Nice video - without all the snorting and sucking in your snot. I wonder how this product will hold up on a vehicle that is not showroom condition to start with - like 95% of the vehicles out there.
I HAVE TO ADMIT ITS GETTING BETTER ....
Mike G tested these months ago and wasn't too impressed compared to other coatings.
Set it out in the rain and let the sun bake in the water spots and see how hard it is to get out without destroying the graphene coating?
A few years ago I saw an item on an American news programme. They had a Nissan car with a factory coating that repelled dirt. They threw dirty water and coffee on the bodywork which sheeted straight off leaving nothing behind. A revolution. But it never went mainstream. Do you know what it was? And was it removed due to pressure from the detailing industry?
Sorry John lose the piano music ,bugged me a bit ,good video though
John will graphene damage towels the same way Si02 damages towels so much that they can't be used again without scratching the paint?
I will guess yes.. or maybe not grapahene but the ADS coating seems to harden to a resin.. so yes is my guess.
The coating need 7 days to cure and needs toping up with Graphene Maintenance coat every 8 months, no need to use a damp cloth too.
Graphene can only use back graphene serie if used with other products you will start getting water spotting
Interesting content! I wish they came out with coating that would fill in the scratches so you wouldn't have to polish your car every year.
looks awesome, but the price?? O.M.G. needs to be more competitive for me to try I think.
Interesting item review, the future of detailing!how is the club sandwich need a video on it soon.👍🤟
things are still breaking on it quicker than I can fix man :) ill shoot a crappy potatoe cam update on the forensic unplugged channel soon.. still drives damn good though nick. Or lets say its fun to drive with a few minor ailments ;)
I believe you're correct. GRAPHENE is the future. The problem, as I see it, will be the claims made by the manufacturers of car products as to the amount of graphene in their products. There is no process or procedure to test the product or the claims of the manufacturer at this time. A little worrisome at the current price.
Jon, first of all, your channel is awesome! That test with wonder wheels on the bonnet, would other long term ceramic coatings fair as well, as it looks impressive..
i would expect a normal 1-2 year consumer ceramic to be able to take a hammering from wonderwheels.. but I think I might see some slow down like I did with the CP light.. but Im guessing. It sat on there for around 4 hours over the course of 3-4 hits. That live hit was the 4th hit not the 3rd.. ill see what happens to the test panel over the next 6 months and ill hit it with random things when I wash the cars.
Forensic Detailing Channel great.. if they are looking for a long term test car, let me know 😉
I’m a pharmacist and I am concerned with the long term chronic exposure of inhaled silicone dioxide as detailers aerosolize these coatings on vehicles daily. I’m concerned as we chase more and more durable coatings in our exuberance we fail to consider long term effects of inhaling these coatings as we apply them. We have no clue as to the long term exposure to Graphene. 🤔
yes top draw point. detail spray says use like a mask as well. I was wondering if that was just like because it has a small amount of solvent in it so by law they have to put the appropriate safety action like wear gogles and mask etc.. or its specifically cause of the graphene.. like you say we probably dont know the health implications of graphene but TBH I think all these chemicals are not gonna be great in our lungs.. even like aluminum oxide when poishing..
The question is how long does it work on a daily car 😁
Ideally you would want at least a single layer of graphene. One big piece over each panel. This is millions or billions of small oxidated sheets nestled into cracks and deposited with polydimethylsiloxane.
Ho Jon, this graphene product has been a topic for a while. I keep commenting on “How easy is this to Remove”? Even you did’t mention this. It’s the first question I ask. If it is major surgery, I wouldn’t have it. Just small repairs could be a nightmare.
I have to guess based on the fact Ive never have to remove it. but judging by the applicator cloth.. I would treat this resin like a ceramic.. It will need to be abraded off the car. someone else said it was easy enough to compound off in the comments. but ive just not done it first had so not sure.. I suspect it will be a pain to remove just because its so hard to tell. (basically like ceramics)
Thanks for your reply Jon I am a patron but for some reason it won’t let me post on the community page
Yo Stepehen dont forget you can message me on patreon any time and I will answer. the comments stream on you tube is just like a continualy flowing river thats very hard to keep up with (I fail to keep up with it) patreon I will reply to everything guerentee'd (unless Im dead ;) ) message me on there and we can get this community post thing sorted me.