This Price is Unbeatable! Moza R12 + KS Steering Wheel Review
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2023
- Here's our review of the newly released Moza KS Steering Wheel and the Moza R12 Wheelbase! Join Joe as he explores the features of the newly released hardware from Moza, that has an unbeatable prize! Learn about their build quality, performance, and why their price is unbeatable in the simracing world!
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Slight correction, the wheel is not made of carbon fiber but composite/plastic (with some carbon fiber for the finish look). Makes sense to keep the price down, just like they didn’t use carbon fiber for the paddles.
Carbon fiber is always in a composite matrix
@@joelriva5424 well looking at their website it’s clearly advertised differently, the word “composite” is not mentioned on the GS GT or FSR wheels for example.
KS= Carbon Fiber Reinforced Composites
GS GT= Forged Carbon Fiber Frame
FSR= Toray Carbon Fiber
I just wanted to highlight the difference in its construction.
Do you really expect a well-researched video from a paid actor?
This is how Moza advertises. So whatever it says, always take it with a liberal dose of salt.
It's enough carbon to make it rather sexy I'm probably gonna buy one of these very soon
Handlebar tape from any road bike shop might solve the handling issues with the KS Steering Wheel. At least if there is enough room to add a few Millimeters on the inside of the wheel.
Which should be the case, else gloves would not fit very well either.
Seems like an easy 10€ fix and you get easily replaceable leather if you want. Might be a much better solution than gloves to be honest. Should work fine for F1 / GT style steering wheels because you don't let those slip through your hands all the time, so the road bike style leather tape should give you all the grip you want.
It looks like this wheel is some sort of pre-production version without any letters on the buttons. All the other reviews I’ve seen have said the wheel is excellent, no mention of the grip being a problem.
The letters are actually stickers so you can customize which button does what.
@@eXo173 Thanks. That wasn’t mentioned in the reviews I’ve watched, though I have skipped through a few of them to the actual driving impressions.
How are the rubber grips compared to the Fanatec McLaren GT3 v2? They also have rubber grips and I actually like them a lot.
The simple fact that I can plug my pedals, shifter, and handbrake into the base makes me want to upgrade from the r9 I have.
I was about to purchase r9 v2... But this fact i see mentioned might be a decider to go for r12. I just dont know what this means... I see there is connections on r9 too. I plan to use r9 with Thrustmaster TLCM pedals so I assume they can't go into moza base anyway
I'm just waiting/hoping for console compatibility some time in the near future. I'm ready to move on from my Thrustmaster T300 wheelbase to a DD.
Dont ever buy anything with console in mind your gonna be on a P.C sooner than you think and its night and day. Sim racing is not even inthe same universe feel wise etc on console VS P.C . Dont buy for console buy with P.C in mind always.
@@lowproscrumbum What should I do until then? A PC is out of my budget for the foreseeable future. Console sim racing is what I have and what I can afford. I can’t just stop racing because it’s on a console and not a PC. I’m enjoying my time having fun and learning a lot by racing on my PlayStation. But would like to upgrade my wheelbase to a very good DD that I won’t need to change once I do make the big jump to PC sim racing.
@@JuniorSwingman Yes you have the right idea make sure when you get a base it is also compatible with P.C and you will be stoked. Fanatec is your best bet if you have to buy for console as well. just don't get the GT bundle get the normal not GTsport branded DD with the universal hub and then you can use all kinds of rims with it. Also, I would focus on the P.C. first. The console can't even use a quarter of what the DD can do anyway it's a waste like putting Pzeros on a Civic. Any way you do decide to do it good luck and have fun.
@@lowproscrumbum Which one is the normal Fanatec wheelbase that supports both PC and console?
@@JuniorSwingman Fanatec console support usually depends on the wheel-bases. They are usually Xbox and PC compatible (Xbox comp chip is in the wheels itself) or you can buy a specifically licenced PS variant (PS comp chip is in the wheelbase), which will let you play on all systems depending on the wheel you use it with. Compatibility is always listed on their website. I do not think you can buy a non-DD wheelbase directly from Fanatec anymore; if you want a non-DD, I think second-hand is your only option. CSL Elite and CSW 2.5 are probably your best bets if you want a belt-driven wheel from Fanatec; just check the console compatibility before purchasing because it may vary (e.g. the CSL Elite had a variant which was compatible with Xbox and PC only and also a variant which was compatible with PS, PC). If you want a cheap DD for console you have to go Fanatec. I do not think there are any other DD wheels from other manufacturers with native console support. Here you have 2 options again, depending on the console of your choice: for Xbox, buy the CSL DD with an Xbox-compatible wheel (eg. the McLaren V2). For PS, buy the GT DD, here the wheel itself does not matter (also if you want to spend a lot, you can go for a Podium DD1 PlayStation edition, but I personally would not do that unless you are certain that you will buy a PC too in the foreseeable future). Side-notes: all Fanatec wheels are PS compatible with the right wheel-base, so in the future, you can purchase any in the Fanatec eco-system, and it will work. Also, all wheelbases are PC compatible too, so if you decide to switch to PC in the future, you will be set. Hope this helps.
There are a number of tape solutions for the grips, which don't seem to be an issue for anyone else. Perhaps higher quality gloves would help.
Does anyone know if they were to eventually implement console compatibility would it come via software update or would they have to release new wheelbases?
If Im not mistakened for fanatec they had to add some chip to get it to work with the xbox so it might not be that straightforward
@@someoneonly I do remember Fanatec talking about the chips and I know Xbox requires a proprietary chip but not sure about PS5. I saw in another review that the back of the R12 now has a slot for pedals where the R9 and R5 did not have that slot. This gives me a sliver of hope that it can be done via software update but hopefully we find out sooner rather than later lol
You can play just fine with Brook Ras1ution 2 adapter. Not as good as native DD but at least it works, for someone who mainly plays on PC.
@@caseyrybak Thanks for sharing this as I was curious how well these adapters actually work. I mostly play on PC as well and have a Fanatec CSL DD so it works native on PS5 and allows me to switch to play GT7 which has been the only thing holding me back from getting Moza. If the adapter gets the job done then I will def be making the switch. Thanks again!
@@m4tty- Unfortunately, PS requires a chip too, due to licencing. The difference is that the Xbox chip is in the wheel, and the PS chip is in the wheelbase itself.
The fact that he was so outspoken towards the downsides was pretty cool.
I wonder if the R12 is overkill for a desk mount.
Total overkill for deskmount, maybe the R5? In order to get the full benefit of direct drive's fine detail the motor unit must be rigidly mounted.
The luck is not on me for real xD
I bough an R9 with the GS wheel like 3 months ago and I waited over a year for a cheap GT wheel and/or for a affortable wheelbase with more then 8nm. Since I didnt want to go with fanatec.
I kinda want to change to the R12 now.
PS. Anyone want to buy a slightly used R9? Nothing wrong and no problems with it.
Next to or in germany would be great.
Would you recommend the KS or GS wheel if price isn’t a deciding factor?
We're curious what the Community thinks 👀
I got my gs wheel used for 350$. Its a great wheel but very expensive new
I wish it was a touch smaller like 290mm instead of 300mm just to take some of the bulk out and make it a perfect hybrid wheel for GT/Formula style racing
Want to see an Moza R12 vs Asetek LaPrima comparison. Is the Asetek worth the $300 premium?
yes..lot better
Got an R9 2 weeks ago and want just a little bit more... Wish they said this was coming rather than just dropping it out of the blue. Feel like I've wasted so much money.
I saw it a week before the release that they would release something new. But I thought it would only be a wheel.
Impressive but I’ll stick with my r9 and gs wheel plus the wife has cut my sim racing spending off 😂
Nice quick release dunno if the ffb is better than the R9 or just stronger? I prefer the CSL DD to the R9, i think the CSL DD has better ffb altho' i hear that with some tweaking it's better than "out of the box" whereas the CSL DD just works. Obviously if you want more torque than 8Nm the CSL DD isn't for you.
Cammus 15nm base, lc100 pedals, gt 13” wheel with botton box and QR, less than 700usd.
Will the R9 table clamp fit the R12 wheel base ?
Yeah thats good from Moza but im still rolling with thé CSL DD at 8nm at 500 USD with a pedal and a wheel.
Is the upgrade for a CSL DD worth?
if you have multiple Fanatec Products, i don't think it's worth it.. not to mention that Fanatec it's most likely working in a new wheelbase for the 12 Nm to 15 Nm range, since they discontinued the DD1 Podium for the PS4
I would bet that until the end of this year we'll hear something about that, for sure..
And then... Simagic Alpha Mini kicks in with more power and a lot better firmware, software etc...
Exactly this
i think u should right go for the alpha, not the mini.
"The price is unbeatable" and then taxes hit you in the face.
It looks like the Williams f1 steering wheel! Lesgo!
it is rather a steering wheel of average quality and not of high quality as you say, each one has his perception of quality
As fanatec continues to act as if they don't care about competition. Moza is working to take all the customers.
I still wonder if fanatec is working on something in the background
Fanatec just lowered their prices for the DD entry wheel bundles down to 399€. I don't think that they are ignoring the competition. You get now a CLS DD with CLS Pedals and a CLS Load-Cell Break for 540€, do some wiring magic and it's doing 8NM for 540€ + shipping, 20% Vat included.
Doesn't make the Moza R12, R9 or R5 bad, etc
But certainly both companies seem to have notice that they are in pretty fierce competition to each other.
Meanwhile Thrustmaster charges 400€ for a T300 GT and don't get me even started on the price tag on Logitechs DD-Wheels. ;-)
Yeah but T300 GT can be used with PS5, the licence is quite expensive, just look to Fanatec GT DD pro, same wheel like CSL DD, but 300 dollars more expensive.
@Traumglanz of course they know but it's the fact that we still have no qr2 and moza has a better and more reliable quick release. The price drops makes it look like a way to get rid of extra units and not as a way to answer to the competition. If I remember they dropped their price before moza.
@@NamePend IIRC, Moza dropped them first, but Fanatec responded with giant price drops in comparison. So yeah, clearing stock might be the reason for the low price, which would suggest that they either fear some new 5NM wheels coming out that destroy the DD 5NM and Moza R5 or have something in the pipeline themselves for the old price bracket.
Either way, it's a win for us. Getting a good DD wheel never had been as cheap and the competition is great.
Besides that, the quick release on the Moza really is something else, love that, one of the big reasons why I really would like to upgrade to the R12. Alas there are a lot of other things that come first for me. ;-)
@@vvs6433 Most of those 300 dollar should be from the wheels quality and Grand Turismo license imho.
You can see that their Club Sport Universal hub for Xbox is just 20€ extra over the one for just PC.
T300 and the TX are pretty close in price. So it doesn't seem like Sony is charging outrageous amounts of money.
That software beats fanatec anyday with all the equaliser stuff. Fanatec has Windows drivers with skinned webshop implemented, pretty bad in my opinion
true fanatec app looks outdated af and does not have as much control as moza but i think abs/kerb etc are all candy that a lot of people dont use anyway or games often offer.
Some people say moza is inconsistent and ffb is not on part with fanatec. dont know. i have csl dd and it's pretty good. i tried logitech g pro but 11 n was okay, it was way too much force for me to enjoy for prolonged time.
Yea, so beating software... especially locking some sliders when u don't using Moza wheel and wrong names, descriptions for that sliders...
I find it amusing that $870 is unbeatable but $1000 is overpriced for Logitech. I don't have either product but the Logitech wheel looks to be of much better quality.
I would love to try the new Logitech dd. Truforce is a great innovation from Logitech that really separates it from the dd crowd as I understand it. The bulky size is a dealbreaker for me personally tho so I went with the r9
@@artursjoblom5142 I hope you like it. Sounds like a great piece of hardware.
That wheel whohahahaha
Advertised as 12nm but FFB fades after it heats up. plastic parts in construction. Only bottom mounted. Alpha mini advertises as 10nm but is tested at 13nm by Iracing staff. Can be mounted in all ways. Built like a tank. Uses real carbon fiber not fake. You decide.
Almost so cheap
So not ps5 compatible I guess?
"Keep the price down"? "Banger price"? This shit is overpriced as hell. Where do those 200+ dollars for the wheel even go? Some buttons with backlight and rotary switches? Those cost cents. And it's not even a carbon fiber! I can somewhat understand the price for the base - a powerful heavy motor with precision made axis.
good point.. this ks look a bit cheap
Just for pc not interest