I have a 229R DAK and a 226R DAK both in .40. As a left handed dominant shooter this trigger makes carrying a Sig more practical than the decocker models that I previously used.
It's truly not complicated, and brilliant. The first trigger pull is double action, the 2nd is single action, you can fire, or release (decock) to double action. Folks really make it more complicated than necessary. The trigger pull is smooth and constant. It's a great platform.
Every trigger pull is double action. It's not DA/SA, it's Double Action Only. The first reset is a harder 8 lb pull. The second reset, trigger fully released, is a 6 lb pull. But both reset points are Double Action.
Yeah I think a lot of these hit the market as LEO trade ins, I was told mine was from a Midwest dept. What I don’t know is if they wind up going back to Sig first or not - I guess might depend on the dept. / agency, or possibly the dept armor gives them a once over before they are turned in and they might even use up some of the new spare parts on them? Many of the ones I’ve seen are in very good shape. To your point that is a heck of a lot of pistol for 500.
@@thedailydefender1408 What the deal was with those is the government was worried about light single action trigger and possible unintentional discharges so they came up with that wonky trigger geared toward novices , but it is confusing and complex and a fail for sure but I could get used to it or convert it possibly to da sa.
It is a good round and one that’s really had a very solid reputation for the past 25 years. But some of this latest data from both Federal and others seems to point quite favorably towards 9mm in almost all the major categories, except glass if I remember correctly which is interesting if your a street cop or trooper. I think I’m actually going to do a video on the topic as I find it interesting of what appears to have come to a 9mm vs .40 conversation vs what I think in the past was a 9mm vs .45.
Just shot mine for the first time. Put 50 rounds down range yesterday. Never shot .40 S&W before. That smooth trigger is no joke. Like Filet Mignon smooth. So smooth in fact I lost track of where the trigger break was and fired a couple earlier than I expected. As far as recoil, I was nervous. Everyone I've talked to says. 40 cal is hard to control. It was not. I have short fingers and beat up old hands from being a mechanic for 36 years and I had no trouble holding mine with the smooth wood grips. The black frame, bright stainless dehorned slide and wood grips make it a beautiful piece to behold. I love it.
Excellent, thanks for a great comment, glad you like it. The full metal Sigs do a great job soaking up recoil. The 229 DAK is a very cool,sleeper little pistol.
I really enjoyed the presentation - I actually wish that the P229/6 DAK triggers were available new. When I think about what you've said here, the DAK trigger sounds like the P30/L V1, minus the "middle reset pull/trigger." My theory on the DAK and the LEM triggers is that they are designed to promote safety. These triggers seek to give users the ability to change their mind on pulling the trigger without a unwanted discharge.
Thanks for the great comment, I completely agree and I’ve even thought more about it after doing that video, these DAK, LEM specifically but even DAO absolutely seems to be geared towards LEO if not specifically designed for them. I kind of glanced over the point about not having to decock anything before reholster but that’s a nice / important feature if you’ve got your hands full with a suspect then , or just the stress of a shooting, and frankly I think it applies well to a civilian too.
I really enjoy the trigger. We carry these at all units in the coast guard that perform law enforcement actually, not just the tactical teams lol. I've grown very comfortable with it.
Hey thanks for a great comment and for your service! I actually like to get a 229 DAK in 9mm but have never seen one , I think I may have to get a standard DA/SA and send it to Sig to convert to DAK. Came across a 226 .40,DAK the other week, don't see too many of those either.
I'm currently carrying my p239 dak in 40. The dak trigger isn't necessarily my favorite but I like having the option to carry a legacy Sig in a light, revolver type da trigger only. You were spot on with how to treat it, you train to let the trigger all the way out. The first reset is only there in the event of a short stroke.
Thanks , I might have the opportunity to pick one up in .357 as well. I know I can change out the barrel but this one is so cheap I think it’s just better to go with another one. Yes I agree the full trigger reset is the way to go on follow up shots but I did just notice ( or didn’t remember) that on a first shot you can stage the trigger quite effectively, I hadn’t recalled that before…still learning this rather unique trigger system. I will say you can stage the trigger on a HK LEM trigger even better and more effectively.
Enjoyed the video! I have a P229 DA/SA in .40/357 I also have a HK 2000SK LEM in .40. I struggled for years with the long LEM reset, as I was used to shooting Glocks. Sometimes I wouldn’t come out far enough for the trigger to reset, especially when shooting for speed. I installed the Gray Guns Short Reset Trigger, and now I enjoy shooting the LEM so much more.
Thanks! It’s amazing how much time you need to put into different trigger systems to get proficient with them, something few people talk about when shooting pistols.
I was issued this in 357sig. It was a hand cannon but I never experienced a single malfunction despite thousands of rounds. The ammo wasn’t cheap though
Thanks for the comment, yeah I was a little surprised at it myself as I have another 229 in .357, I didn’t recall that from a 226 I used to have in .357 Sig…I think I’m going to add a full metal guide rod and reluctantly add the finger groove Houge grips to it to see if I tame that, honestly if that doesn’t really do the trick I’m just going drop another .40 barrel in it as I enjoy shooting that in the 229.
Such a cool gun I love these. That looks like a much heavier trigger pull with the dak compared to LEM. My p30 is in light LEM v1, even though it's a longer take up, the reset is shorter than the v3 and just about thr same break weight as far as I can tell. I don't have a trigger gauge but I think it's maybe in the 4.5 - 5 lb range with LEM. This looks more like a traditional double action only like a revolver trigger, with extra steps lol. Not bad just personal preference. Good video as always I appreciate hearing the history on these firearms!
Thanks! the DAK is it own thing / animal which of course in its own way makes it cool. Its just a matter of getting use to it and embracing it a bit and not immediately tossing it to the side because it’s a little different. I looked at as, if the USSS and USCG MSRT teams found it effective, it’s probably something I should look at. Your revolver comment is in part correct. The LEM on an HK is a very good set up IMO and probably an easier or more familiar feel to folks, but I just love 229s and 228s. Although so hard not to keep putting a HK USP 9c in the holster.
I bought a 229 DAK in 357 Sig about 2 months ago and just couldn’t get used to the trigger after a couple of trips to the range. So instead of selling it, I decided to order all the parts and converted it myself to DA/SA: It was an easy job! I also installed the Short Reset Trigger and upgraded with a Performance Sear Spring & Lightweight Hammer Strut Spring (19 lbs) from Armory Craft; also upgraded the Hammer Strut and the Mainspring seat. It shoots awesome now! It’s a Great gun 👌🏻
I don't know whether I could ever attribute a "lighter-shooting" 40cal H&K USP COMPACT LEM due to the recoil-reducing 2-spring system H&K employs on the full size USP 40cal. The COMPACT USP has a single spring with a nylon "stop" ( to save the frame from damage. )
I really like this gun and I’ve had it for years. The one thing I don’t like is it’s difficult to dry fire. To get the true trigger pull you have to rack the slide after every shot. If you don’t you get a very stiff and different trigger pull.
Thanks for the comment. I believe your GROM units use the full size HK USP in 9mm is that correct? Or at least they use to, they maybe be using Glock now….
Holy sh!t. That thing's got more girth than my grandmomma's ass! I'll stick with the notably slimmer profile of the M&P M2.0 40 in 357 Sig, but thanks for uploading the video!
Most of the p series gun have that look and feel, but they also feel like you could drag them behind an 18 wheeler for a mile and then pick it up and put rounds on target. They are little beasts. That S&W M&P did very well in that frozen torture test a while back.
Thanks, please explain your understanding of it, would certainly like to hear another experience / perspective, it’s a system I’m actually growing to like more and more.
@@thedailydefender1408 the DAK system was developed for law enforcement that have an itchy trigger finger. At the first reset, you have a much heavier weight than the second to somewhat reduce the chances of an unintended 2nd shot. I don't fire any of my weapons at reset, so the trigger pull doesn't bother me at all. The reset sequence of the DAK is in essence, reverse of what is standard. I just full reset all of mines due to training like a revolver which make me hit the lighter pull on this system. Really can't beat a Sig factory trigger. Those who train and shoot reset will have issues with the DAK system unless you are a revolver shooter. Only thing I don't like about the 229 is that it's too stumpy and chunky for me to really carry it. She's a thick girl and my pinky hangs off. Only true reason I bought it was due to the fact that m&p discontinued the .357sig and I wanted this flavor along with the fact the it was a gov trade in with a good price.💪🇺🇸
Thanks and I think I’d agree with most of that and ironically I shot a DAK last night. I also like the staging that can be done on the initial trigger take up, I agree that someone use to working the reset will have trouble with it and in fact I think its why it gets a bad rap. I too prefer to simply let out the trigger to full reset. It’s kind of the misunderstood child that needs some time and attention to appreciate. I really like it and in fact trying to track down a 9mm DAK. You must have some very large hands if your pinky is hanging off the grip of a 229. @@christopherpaige406
@@thedailydefender1408 yeah, I pretty much fill out the grip of most full size frames. Just out of curiosity, what would you not agree with? My sources come from Sig, instructors, and personal experiences and interaction.
@@christopherpaige406dumb question is there a trigger where you can just get the long 5-6 pound pull of a Dak without the heavier mid reset. I'm looking at getting my first handgun for home defense and see good deals on police trade in 226, sig but all the different triggers is slightly confusing
DAK trigger is a work horse people can talk all the crap they want to this firearm is still very legit no complaints
Totally agree.
I have a 229R DAK and a 226R DAK both in .40. As a left handed dominant shooter this trigger makes carrying a Sig more practical than the decocker models that I previously used.
Well that’s a good point. The DAK trigger itself gets all the attention but the “no need to decock “ is a very nice feature/ side benefit of it.
It's truly not complicated, and brilliant. The first trigger pull is double action, the 2nd is single action, you can fire, or release (decock) to double action. Folks really make it more complicated than necessary. The trigger pull is smooth and constant. It's a great platform.
I agree , just spend a little time with it and don’t expect it to be something it isn’t and it’s pretty cool.
Every trigger pull is double action. It's not DA/SA, it's Double Action Only.
The first reset is a harder 8 lb pull.
The second reset, trigger fully released, is a 6 lb pull.
But both reset points are Double Action.
Never saw it that way, but makes sense and I like it 👍
Mine's not like that at all.
@@SpicyRok7482 he's describing a DA/SA.
1st trigger pull is Double Action. After the slide cycles, all other trigger pulls are single action.
They had those surplus 40 for 500 bucks, that is alot of high quality rugged gun for 500 bucks.
Yeah I think a lot of these hit the market as LEO trade ins, I was told mine was from a Midwest dept. What I don’t know is if they wind up going back to Sig first or not - I guess might depend on the dept. / agency, or possibly the dept armor gives them a once over before they are turned in and they might even use up some of the new spare parts on them? Many of the ones I’ve seen are in very good shape. To your point that is a heck of a lot of pistol for 500.
@@thedailydefender1408 What the deal was with those is the government was worried about light single action trigger and possible unintentional discharges so they came up with that wonky trigger geared toward novices , but it is confusing and complex and a fail for sure but I could get used to it or convert it possibly to da sa.
.40 is a good round period!
It is a good round and one that’s really had a very solid reputation for the past 25 years. But some of this latest data from both Federal and others seems to point quite favorably towards 9mm in almost all the major categories, except glass if I remember correctly which is interesting if your a street cop or trooper. I think I’m actually going to do a video on the topic as I find it interesting of what appears to have come to a 9mm vs .40 conversation vs what I think in the past was a 9mm vs .45.
Just shot mine for the first time. Put 50 rounds down range yesterday.
Never shot .40 S&W before.
That smooth trigger is no joke. Like Filet Mignon smooth. So smooth in fact I lost track of where the trigger break was and fired a couple earlier than I expected.
As far as recoil, I was nervous. Everyone I've talked to says. 40 cal is hard to control. It was not. I have short fingers and beat up old hands from being a mechanic for 36 years and I had no trouble holding mine with the smooth wood grips.
The black frame, bright stainless dehorned slide and wood grips make it a beautiful piece to behold.
I love it.
Excellent, thanks for a great comment, glad you like it. The full metal Sigs do a great job soaking up recoil. The 229 DAK is a very cool,sleeper little pistol.
I really enjoyed the presentation - I actually wish that the P229/6 DAK triggers were available new. When I think about what you've said here, the DAK trigger sounds like the P30/L V1, minus the "middle reset pull/trigger." My theory on the DAK and the LEM triggers is that they are designed to promote safety. These triggers seek to give users the ability to change their mind on pulling the trigger without a unwanted discharge.
Thanks for the great comment, I completely agree and I’ve even thought more about it after doing that video, these DAK, LEM specifically but even DAO absolutely seems to be geared towards LEO if not specifically designed for them. I kind of glanced over the point about not having to decock anything before reholster but that’s a nice / important feature if you’ve got your hands full with a suspect then , or just the stress of a shooting, and frankly I think it applies well to a civilian too.
The lower recoil is due to the heavier slide and the shorter barrel hood. Slide velocity is reduced vs other models.
I really enjoy the trigger. We carry these at all units in the coast guard that perform law enforcement actually, not just the tactical teams lol. I've grown very comfortable with it.
Hey thanks for a great comment and for your service! I actually like to get a 229 DAK in 9mm but have never seen one , I think I may have to get a standard DA/SA and send it to Sig to convert to DAK. Came across a 226 .40,DAK the other week, don't see too many of those either.
I'm currently carrying my p239 dak in 40. The dak trigger isn't necessarily my favorite but I like having the option to carry a legacy Sig in a light, revolver type da trigger only. You were spot on with how to treat it, you train to let the trigger all the way out. The first reset is only there in the event of a short stroke.
Thanks , I might have the opportunity to pick one up in .357 as well. I know I can change out the barrel but this one is so cheap I think it’s just better to go with another one. Yes I agree the full trigger reset is the way to go on follow up shots but I did just notice ( or didn’t remember) that on a first shot you can stage the trigger quite effectively, I hadn’t recalled that before…still learning this rather unique trigger system. I will say you can stage the trigger on a HK LEM trigger even better and more effectively.
Enjoyed the video! I have a P229 DA/SA in .40/357 I also have a HK 2000SK LEM in .40. I struggled for years with the long LEM reset, as I was used to shooting Glocks. Sometimes I wouldn’t come out far enough for the trigger to reset, especially when shooting for speed. I installed the Gray Guns Short Reset Trigger, and now I enjoy shooting the LEM so much more.
Thanks! It’s amazing how much time you need to put into different trigger systems to get proficient with them, something few people talk about when shooting pistols.
Very nice pistols, and another great presentation. 👍👍👍💥💥💥
Thanks! It’s a neat firearm, cool to see some vids out there that I think DoD actually put out on the uscg msrt boys using them.
Great video
Hey thanks!
On March 1, 2003, the Secret Service was transferred from the Department of the Treasury to the new Department of Homeland Security.
The Massachusetts State Police switched to the .40 P226/239 DAK then the M&P 45 and now the Sig p320 9 mm with optics
Thanks for the comment, Cleveland PD still uses them and NC HP moved to the 320 a few years back but had run 226 in .357 Sig for some time.
I was issued this in 357sig. It was a hand cannon but I never experienced a single malfunction despite thousands of rounds. The ammo wasn’t cheap though
Thanks for the comment, yeah I was a little surprised at it myself as I have another 229 in .357, I didn’t recall that from a 226 I used to have in .357 Sig…I think I’m going to add a full metal guide rod and reluctantly add the finger groove Houge grips to it to see if I tame that, honestly if that doesn’t really do the trick I’m just going drop another .40 barrel in it as I enjoy shooting that in the 229.
Such a cool gun I love these. That looks like a much heavier trigger pull with the dak compared to LEM. My p30 is in light LEM v1, even though it's a longer take up, the reset is shorter than the v3 and just about thr same break weight as far as I can tell. I don't have a trigger gauge but I think it's maybe in the 4.5 - 5 lb range with LEM. This looks more like a traditional double action only like a revolver trigger, with extra steps lol. Not bad just personal preference. Good video as always I appreciate hearing the history on these firearms!
Thanks! the DAK is it own thing / animal which of course in its own way makes it cool. Its just a matter of getting use to it and embracing it a bit and not immediately tossing it to the side because it’s a little different. I looked at as, if the USSS and USCG MSRT teams found it effective, it’s probably something I should look at. Your revolver comment is in part correct. The LEM on an HK is a very good set up IMO and probably an easier or more familiar feel to folks, but I just love 229s and 228s. Although so hard not to keep putting a HK USP 9c in the holster.
I bought a 229 DAK in 357 Sig about 2 months ago and just couldn’t get used to the trigger after a couple of trips to the range. So instead of selling it, I decided to order all the parts and converted it myself to DA/SA: It was an easy job! I also installed the Short Reset Trigger and upgraded with a Performance Sear Spring & Lightweight Hammer Strut Spring (19 lbs) from Armory Craft; also upgraded the Hammer Strut and the Mainspring seat. It shoots awesome now! It’s a Great gun 👌🏻
Hey thanks for the comment and the info, I think I have the DAK thing figured out but always like the SRT triggers ….
Where did you get the conversation parts from ? Do they sell a kit ?
@@JD-pp5gi yes, I got the Revenant Arms Parts Kit from Matrix Precision Parts. It costs $149.00
Awesome thank you , I'm hoping it will work on a p220 dak
The DAK trigger is terrible. 😂
I don't know whether I could ever attribute a "lighter-shooting" 40cal H&K USP COMPACT LEM due to the recoil-reducing 2-spring system H&K employs on the full size USP 40cal.
The COMPACT USP has a single spring with a nylon "stop" ( to save the frame from damage. )
Thanks for the comment.
I really like this gun and I’ve had it for years. The one thing I don’t like is it’s difficult to dry fire. To get the true trigger pull you have to rack the slide after every shot. If you don’t you get a very stiff and different trigger pull.
That’s an interesting comment and one I believe other people have also mentioned.
i have both p226r dak and 229r dak both in 9mm....i love the trigger
It’s unique for sure and I get that people would shy away from it but once you spend some time with it , it’s pretty solid.
What agencies used the P229R with the short reach trigger or standard trigger? Im trying to build a clone.
just got p229 dak 357 sig.
Neat pistol with cool history especially with the USCG …..
In Poland UE, we have 229 in 9x19 Para
Thanks for the comment. I believe your GROM units use the full size HK USP in 9mm is that correct? Or at least they use to, they maybe be using Glock now….
I am still waiting for mine to arrive which is a 357 n a police trade in. The trigger sounds like a P226 ?!
The DAK trigger was offered on both the 229 and 226, and a couple other models if memory serves me right.
Holy sh!t. That thing's got more girth than my grandmomma's ass! I'll stick with the notably slimmer profile of the M&P M2.0 40 in 357 Sig, but thanks for uploading the video!
Most of the p series gun have that look and feel, but they also feel like you could drag them behind an 18 wheeler for a mile and then pick it up and put rounds on target. They are little beasts. That S&W M&P did very well in that frozen torture test a while back.
I live in n New Hampshire
Not interested in that trigger
Not interested in .40
Good presentation 👍
Thanks., it’s an acquired taste for sure…..as is .40 it seems.
Incomplete and somewhat inaccurate explanation of the DAK system. Otherwise, good video.
Thanks, please explain your understanding of it, would certainly like to hear another experience / perspective, it’s a system I’m actually growing to like more and more.
@@thedailydefender1408 the DAK system was developed for law enforcement that have an itchy trigger finger. At the first reset, you have a much heavier weight than the second to somewhat reduce the chances of an unintended 2nd shot. I don't fire any of my weapons at reset, so the trigger pull doesn't bother me at all. The reset sequence of the DAK is in essence, reverse of what is standard. I just full reset all of mines due to training like a revolver which make me hit the lighter pull on this system. Really can't beat a Sig factory trigger. Those who train and shoot reset will have issues with the DAK system unless you are a revolver shooter. Only thing I don't like about the 229 is that it's too stumpy and chunky for me to really carry it. She's a thick girl and my pinky hangs off. Only true reason I bought it was due to the fact that m&p discontinued the .357sig and I wanted this flavor along with the fact the it was a gov trade in with a good price.💪🇺🇸
Thanks and I think I’d agree with most of that and ironically I shot a DAK last night. I also like the staging that can be done on the initial trigger take up, I agree that someone use to working the reset will have trouble with it and in fact I think its why it gets a bad rap. I too prefer to simply let out the trigger to full reset. It’s kind of the misunderstood child that needs some time and attention to appreciate. I really like it and in fact trying to track down a 9mm DAK. You must have some very large hands if your pinky is hanging off the grip of a 229. @@christopherpaige406
@@thedailydefender1408 yeah, I pretty much fill out the grip of most full size frames. Just out of curiosity, what would you not agree with? My sources come from Sig, instructors, and personal experiences and interaction.
@@christopherpaige406dumb question is there a trigger where you can just get the long 5-6 pound pull of a Dak without the heavier mid reset. I'm looking at getting my first handgun for home defense and see good deals on police trade in 226, sig but all the different triggers is slightly confusing