Paper Mache Clay Without Joint Compound
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 16. 07. 2024
- If we make Paper Mache Clay without joint compound, will it come out just as good as the original recipe?
What about the Silky-Smooth Air Dry Clay recipe? (Same ingredients, different proportions...)
People kept asking me if it was possible, so I decided to find out.
Although we should do more experiments to get the measurements more exact, I think the result may be (gasp!) even better than my original recipes that use the drywall joint compound.
For written instructions and a list of the ingredients, go here: www.ultimatepapermache.com/pa...
This new mixture sticks to the armature as well as the original paper mache clay, holds really fine details just as well as my air dry clay recipe, and it dried hard as a rock. But it isn't easy to mix in the beginning while it's still really sticky.
If you try this, let us know how it came out. And if you have ideas for mixing it without making a mess, let us know that, too. đ
My original recipe for paper mache clay: âą Paper Mache Clay Recip...
My original recipe for silky-smooth air dry clay: âą How To Make Air Dry Cl...
You can buy 4# of powdered marble from amazon.com here: amzn.to/2XAbdwM - that's enough for over 8 batches of the air dry clay recipe. If you need more than that it's a lot less expensive if you get it in bigger bags. Azure Standard sells 50# for about $25 - but they have an unusual way of delivering their product, so read about that before ordering. bit.ly/3a65e5d
You can find the patterns for the masks and sculptures behind me in the video here: www.UltimatePaperMache.com
And my sculpting books are on amazon.com:
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I cant afford to buy any of the items you are able to use. For many reasons. I live in a small apartment. So I tried adding cornstarch and baby powder instead. It came out like a rock and worked great! I love your video's and learned sooo much!! Being an retired artist I try all sorts of new ideas. Yours is my favorite.
Interesting idea! I'm glad it worked. Have fun with your sculpting!
What does the baby powder do for the recipe? Just curious!
Whatâs your recipe? I.e. how many of each ingredient did you use?
Can you please tell the measurements to that since I literally have that stuff at home.
baby powder is such a great idea
STICKINESS - this is just a crazy thought but it may be helpful in an experiment. slime making has become a huge hit & millions of people are now making SLIME, PUTTY and CLAY recipes at home. PVA glue is the main ingredient and the other main ingredient that decreases or even eliminates the stickiness of the glue is BORAX.
powdered borax is pretty inexpensive & is grouped with the cleaning & laundry products, and in this application, you only need a tiny bit of it. the borax is diluted into water and that mixture is sparsely added to the glue or glue + other mixture until you get the texture and hold-ability that you're looking for.
--- a lot of times people put the borax-water mix into a spray bottle and just spray a little as you work the product, spraying it on the product or on your hands to reduce the stickiness of the slime, putty or clay.
the spray bottle technique is generally used after the product is already made but needs tweaking or finalizing, when using the borax-water to first create the product, it's generally put into a squirt bottle and a heavier application is used.
when one adds the borax mixture to the PVA glue it is actually rubberizing the polymers in the glue, so that mixture doesnt really turn the glue hard like a resin but makes it rubbery like substance.
This is interesting! I've always thought the DAP brand of joint compound contains borax, and that would be why that brand won't work to make paper mache clay (it turns it into flubber). But if a borax mixture is just sprayed on the surface of the mixture after it's been applied to an armature, and if that eliminates the stickiness so it would be easier to create fine details, that would be really great. It would take some experimenting to get it just right, of course. Thanks for the tip! If anyone tries it before I do, I hope you'll let us know. đ
@@UltimatePaperMache oh that's wild about the DAP, that would make perfect sense that when it hits that PVA it will rubberize into flubber. ...which is interesting for the slimer world.
yeah, i also sometimes dump my borax water mixture into a bowl & dip in one hand and pat it on the other hand. that way my hands arent sticking and i can also use my hands as an applicator to rub it where i need it.
Yes .... Another winner! You're awesome!!!!
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This is perfect! I was looking for a recipe with no flour, and no joint compound.
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Did you add the oil? I donât remember you doing that but itâs in the recipe
I not only enjoy your experiments but your very artistic paper mache creations as well. Thank you!
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Gosh, this is my new favourite thing ever! Thank you for all these videos Jonni, I'm feeling truly inspired. Home made x-mas presents for everyone in England this year! :-D
Yes! This is a perfect year for hand-crafted gifts. They will be treasured for years, because they remind us of the people who made them. In fact, we should do that every year! đ
Thanks Jonni! Glad you are safe â€ïž I am so enjoying your channel
Thanks, Colleen. Take care. đ
You are the most amazing person ever! The world adores you and you have made this world a better place simply by being in it. Your way of explaining things is just wonderful....God bless you for being you. You're so loved by many!
I was searching for a material in substitution of DAS and I think I found it! I still have to do some more experiments but I already like it very much. Greetings and big thanks from Italy!
Did it work?
Thank you for your wise words on paper clay and paper sculpting over the years.
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So many thanks for the original recipe and for your experimenting! I'm off to check out your silky smooth air dry clay recipe now :)
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Es una técnica espectacular. Mis felicitaciones. ¥Qué animales tan hermosos!
2:35 - flour & similar products -> you can use THYMOL which is easily found & ready for use in our applications in a bottle of Listerine. - Thymol is found in the oil of Thyme, it has antimicrobial properties which act as an antiseptic, it is aromatic and is used in many various products & is widely used in essential oils.
the antimicrobial and its aromatic qualities will KEEP AWAY both MOLD growth and CRITTER interest. this makes it a good additive for these clays and glues we use in our crafting, especially for those living in tropical-like regions.
...and only a small amount is needed to be effective.
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@@UltimatePaperMache thank YOU for all of your great instructions! there's no telling how many people you've single-handedly gotten into paper mache sculpting and crafting.
Mam can we use mud as a clay.
Thanks, Jonni ! You're so wholesome
Thanks, Arti. I'm glad you like it. đ±
this is excellent - i often thought about your joint compound recipe- but never tried it -- i love mixing my own formulas from scratch - - i have not had any luck with wood glue and seem to do fine with just corn starch.
This is another great option Jonni! Thank you for sharing :)
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i like watching posts like this ,as i often ,for whatever reason,experiment with different forms of my clays too.I have ome to add joint compound myself to a lot of my components theses days.Latex , paper mache slurrys,paints,& bone.I make up stuff like my lay-up using dryer-lint & elmers & cornstarch.Filter clean-up in the dryer is important & the big pieces i use in place of felt.Like fiberglass & resin ,only much safer.
I am impressed. will try this recipe for sure. thank you so much!
That's great. I hope you'll let us know what you think of this version of the recipe.
I really enjoyed watching this video and your experiment
I'm glad you enjoyed it. đ
Thanks for this amazing recipe gonna try this now !! đ
You're welcome! Have fun. đ
Amo seu canal, a senhora Ă© sensacional. Obrigada pelas dicas. Adriana
I love your channel, youâre awesome. Thank you for the tips. Adriana
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Thanks again Jonni for your brilliant posts. I've used this mix for years and adding - corn starch really helps in my mind. I don't make large amounts as I make jewellery and let it air dry or pop it in a microwave. I also vary the papers from time to time. If I'm making large bowls etc then I add sawdust.
Besides the premixed drywall joint compound, you mean? You could just leave them out and make the traditional paper pulp - mushed-up paper with some form of glue or paste added. Lots of people have used it for years. Not quite the same as paper mache clay or my air dry clay recipe, but it works.
@@UltimatePaperMache without either, would it still hold up well? I need sculptures that aren't fragile, and with money tight I'm trying to simplify as much as possible and not buy extras if i can haha
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Amazing work
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Really great! Very successful.
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Great tutorial! I imagine too that this can be sanded to a fine finish. Off to creationville.
Yes, I tried sanding it and it did work. You'd want to wear a mask and do it outside, because the very fine particles will fly everywhere. đ
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Love this. Love the face you made!
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all the toilet paper panickers are putting a crimp in my paper macheing
Same!
u can try soaking paper in water instead
That's probably why they stocked up, to do paper mache during lockdown.
@@PetrikNZ oh, in that case i forgive them! :D
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Are you feeling it again now in Nov-Dec?
For UK, Calcium Carbonate is often used as a dietry supplement but, more often, in bulk, sold as Whiting, powdered chalk used as a filler for paint used in the old days in the scenic studio in theatres.
Thanks, James - good info!
Hello! I love you videos but I want to provide you a quick tip to make the measurements more accurate! When youâre weighing stuff to find out how many grams you use. First place the cup on your scale and make sure the surface is clean and reset it to zero. That way any ingredients you put in there or take out will now be accurately weighed! Hope this helps you for future videos!
Thanks, Victoria. I do that, but I forgot to mention it in the video. I appreciate the tip!
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Calcium carbonate will not replace flower in the recipe. The reason to working the dough after adding flour is to quickly form gluten. The gluten is what holds everything together into a dough. Without flour, you dont get the extra gluten to hold everything together. Starch can do the job of absorbing extra water, but it will not give you any gluten.
There is a technique in bread fermentation (esp. pizza dough) called wet fermentation, letting time to the job, flour + water + time = gluten, with "time" replacing "beating". This is because gluten will develop as flour get in contact with water, it just happens very very slowly. I wonder if this could inspire a new recipe. Basically, we let the mixture stand without beating for like half a day or so, then come back and lightly beat it. Thanks for reading my 2 cents and good luck!
Great video! Talc is also calcium carbonare and is very common and affordable in many countries.
Thanks for the tip. I wonder why calcium carbonate is called so many different things?
Actually I was mistaken about talc. I meant to write "chalk"
Talc can also be used but it's not calcium carbonate. It's true many calcium carbonate compounds go by many names
Eggshells are even composed of mostly calcium carbonate as are marble and limestone.
hi, I'm making my own mask with your recipes, it still ongoing project tho
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Everywhere I read online recommends against handling joint compound with your hands or sanding it without proper respiratory gear, and that it can cause respiratory problems, so getting a recipe without the joint compound feels to be in my best interests for the sake of respiratory health. ^^
Yes, it is a good idea to wear a mask when sanding joint compound. Or anything else that makes fine dust that you'd have to breathe.
Basically anything powder will be a risk! Just wear a drywall mask and you will be safe
Hi, thanks for sharing, we love seeing how you build your paper mache clay. My daughter and i are making a paper mache Christmas star as a school project. She was hoping to find out, why you choose to wear the blue gloves?
Good question! I wore the gloves for this video because the powdered marble can dry out your hands if you don't wear gloves.
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A great video, very informative and well presented as always! I have a quick question that hopefully someone can answer, I have a number of paper mache trays and boxes from the 1950s (I believe from Italy) will your recipes work for this? I can only find paper mache information with regard to ornaments and artworks and I can't think of where else to look! many thanks :)
I don't actually know, but it's possible. As long as you don't intend to put them in the dishwasher, of course. Several years ago we got a guest video by a fellow who flattened the air dry clay (the original recipe, not this one) in a special tool that works like a tortilla press. If your boxes are small, you might be able to use his idea. Flat items can warp as they're drying, though, if the air only reaches one side. Experiments would be needed. You can see his video here: czcams.com/video/CwWr1dB7od8/video.html
@@UltimatePaperMache Thank you! It seems promising, I'll begin experimenting. I know there was a big paper mache industry for functional items in Europe right back to Victorian days but the modern uses seem to be exclusively artistic (which is fine) which makes it very hard to find information on it.
Hallo, can I stick this mixture on top of veneered chip board as structure? I.e. Masonite? I need to build a structure to build on and found this old cd case shelf. Need to use it as structure for a mock up for Mexican death niches for project.
Hi Jonni! Have you tried any of your recipes with homemade PVA (âschool glueâ)? I remember mixing it up at school for paper mache from water, flour and salt(?). Would be interesting to know if it holds up to the store brought alternatives.
I haven't tried that, but the Ghoulish Cop has a recipe that he says will work with the original paper mache clay recipe. You could give it a try. I haven't experimented with it yet, myself, but Rick does swear by it. You can find his recipe here: czcams.com/video/OHEz0I8qhK0/video.html
crushed egg shell is Calcium Carbonate easy to make powder marble that way plus it gives an antique color depending on the shell color
How do you powder the egg shells? It seems like it would be difficult to get them as finely powdered as the commercial powdered marble. What kind of equipment do you use?
@@UltimatePaperMache Spread the shells on a baking sheet. Bake at 225F for 20 minutes to dry them out. Using a coffee or spice grinder, grind the shells to a very fine powder. You can also use a blender for this, but I find that a coffee grinder makes the finest powder, so you don't have any large eggshell pieces
Instead of wasting your time asking you questions, they should try for themselves! Eh eh eh. Try with cement powder for solid rock!
Warmest regards from your Portuguese friend, Pedro ;)
Hey, Pedro - it's good to hear from you. I hope you and yours are staying safe and well, and that you're making a lot of new and exciting art. đ
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Jonni! How much time did you put it on the oven? How many degrees? I'm very excited and give a try. Thank you for share your knowledge.
I only put it in the oven because I wanted to get the video done. You can just let it dry on the counter for a few days. But if you're in a hurry you can put it in at 200F, and something that's quite small should be dry in an hour or two.
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Love this video and I'm really keen to try some of your recipes! How heavy does it end up? Obviously it depends on how much you use, of course, but is it quite lightweight or does it get heavy quickly? I want to use some kind of paper clay for making dollhouses and I'm concerned about them ending up like bricks!
It dries fairly lightweight if you keep the layers thin. But all of my recipes are water-based, so they can cause flat cardboard to warp. Are your doll houses made with cardboard?
@@UltimatePaperMache Thank you for your reply! I have used cardboard as the base but it's got a layer of wire mesh running over it, and it's not the end of the world if it does warp because the shapes are all quite organic and free flowing - a bit of wobble looks intentional in the end!
@@lickthismiff That sounds fun! If you'd like to show them off on my site, I know we'd all love to see your dollhouses. You can do that on this page: www.ultimatepapermache.com/daily-sculptors-group-page
So in south Africa at the moment, its going to be close to impossible to get powdered marble due to our lockdown, but tomorrow I'm going to scavenge through my childhood art supplies for chalk, and see how that goes.
If you have any drywall joint compound out in the garage you could use the original paper mache clay recipe. And if you can't find chalk or joint compound, you can use the paper and glue mix. It isn't the same, but it works. đ
Hi Johnny, I have a question.. when you say you are placing it in the oven , is it the regular oven in our kitchen ? If we use the regular kitchen oven can we use it for cooking later on ?
I just use the regular oven. I don't think there are any fumes or anything.
I wonder if gypsum could be used as the filler since its what sidewalk calk is made of its pretty common thing to find
You'd need to experiment with it. The gypsum I buy for my garden isn't powdered finely enough, so it wouldn't make a smooth mix. But try it if you have some on hand, and let us know if it works.
What is the best paint to use on this & other projects using plaster wraps?
I'm thinking about using plaster wraps & then spraying it with a powdered marble concoction (not sure on how i can make that either, haha).
If anyone can help, I'd appreciate it
I always use acrylic paint. I almost always use a primer or acrylic gesso before painting.
It may have been mentioned, but calcium carbonate is just lime. You can usually buy large bags of it very cheaply at the big box stores or garden stores. It's not white like the powdered marble, but much cheaper. It is VERY alkaline, though, so use gloves when using it.
That's true - but when I bought some from our local garden store it was really grainy and left little lumps in the mixture. However, I did find some on the Azure Standard website that is ground very fine, and it works really well. And yeah - it will dry out your hands. đ
Hi Jonni, I ran out of joint compound and needed to make a batch of clay. I resorted to "Acrylic Caulk" in a push tube. It was very sticky so I had to work a lot more flour into the clay mixture, however, it dries hard as a rock. Could you try using that sometime in an experiment? I also had to add a little corn starch at the end when I put the clay into a plastic bag so it would not adhere to the bag when I needed to use it for a project. I used a little Mr. Clean, Salt, white PVA glue, flour and my fiber that I soaked for about a half hour before mixing. I about 1/2 C. of Liquid Starch for the moisture and added no water.I also just strained the fibre after soaking it but did not squeeze it dry. I priced the Marble powder...it is pretty expensive in our area and can only be bought to my knowledge in art shops. (way more expensive than Joint Compound and flour).
Margie, this sounds like an experiment you should do. you have experience with it already, so you'd have an idea of about how much of each product to use. If you ever do a video on it, please let us know.
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Do you think it would work as
Well without the marble dust? Maybe the cornstarch is enough ?
You can try it, but I think the magic of the original paper mache clay (and this one, too) is the combination of the PVA glue and the calcium in the joint compound or marble dust. It turns hard as a rock. Maybe the corn starch would work though - I just haven't tried it. If you do, please let us know how it turns out.
How would talcum powder go as a substitute to flour? I have, in the past, used plaster of Paris to "fill" in the gaps and it worked well, not as smooth but passable but does dry out too fast. I live in Australia... the country that does get all those critters that gravitate towards the flour.
I have no idea if that would work or not. Talc is absorbent, and the flour is used to absorb extra water. But the minerals might react differently with the glue. You'd need to give it a try to find out. I do have a recipe for paper mache clay without flour, but a lot of bugs like to eat paper, too. You can find that recipe here: czcams.com/video/JYN2QPR6gu0/video.html
@@UltimatePaperMache Thank you so much Joni. I will try to make a test batch. I'll keep you posted on it's end results. I love your work and have only just found your channel but you are inspiring me to get back into it on, perhaps, a different level. Thank you.
How long can it sit before it dries out and is unusable?
Can you explain the purpose of the plaster of paris/joimt compound/calcium carbonate? So that i can maybe just find something else that i already have that would work as well, can i just use flour? Im just trying to make some clay beads so i dont need anything very complex atleast while im just practicing. Thank you đ
Adding the drywall joint compound to the mixture makes it dry very hard and strong. But it sounds like you might prefer to use the traditional mix of mushed-up paper mixed with glue or paste. I don't use that mixture myself, but you can find a lot of great tutorials and articles about it here: www.papiermache.co.uk/
Just FYI, in Australia, corn starch and corn flour are actually the same thing.
You are such an adorable person! Greetings from Ukraine â€ïž
You are so kind - thanks!
@@UltimatePaperMache you are! Watching all your videos, think about making toys for my brother's newborn
Thank you for sharing your knowledge here, it's very appreciated! Good luck with all new projects :)
@@evelinapushkash6827 Hi Evalina - just a thought here, but make sure you read all the labels if you expect the baby to play with his or her new toys. Even when a product label says 'non-toxic' we still might not want baby to eat it. But for mobiles and wall art, paper mache is perfect! For some inspiration, did you see the blog post from Eileen showing us her Woodland Baby Mobile and Terry's post about a life-sized baby giraffe that is attached to the nursery wall? You can see them here bit.ly/2B4F4UU and here bit.ly/3fl39p9
@@UltimatePaperMache wonderful! Thank you for advice, I'll look it all up. And yes, I'm gonna make little setts of figurines for the mobile :) like set of birds, set of fish, set of cats etc
@@UltimatePaperMache I looked it up and that so beautiful and useful, thank you again!
made mine.. short on glue and I used skim coat instead of joint compound... it was very sticky at first but I made it work... when I pull it, paper fibers gets sticky and I can see it threading đ
Keep experimenting - but do try to use the ingredients in the recipe or in the original paper mache clay, just so you'll have something to compare it with. You might come up with something even better. đ
If that is real powdered marble, marble is not absorbent. That"s probably why you were having so much trouble getting the clay to absorb the moisture. What oven temp did you use to dry it? Looks like a keeper to me. Especially since it is so hard.
I put it in the oven at around 200° F, but only to get it dry faster so I could get the video done. It doesn't need to be baked. It dries just fine sitting on a shelf. It did work well, but the drywall joint compound recipe is less expensive, when it's possible to find the ingredients.
I've seen you make papier mache clay with toilet paper and newspaper successfully. Can the same basic process be used with office waste paper? Newspaper isn't the commodity it used to be, but I've been working from home for a year in a regulated industry, so I have LOTS of office waste (shredded paper, usually fairly lightweight copy paper). Would I have to soak it longer?
Yes, you can use recycled paper to make paper mache clay. I made a video about it: czcams.com/video/R_RM17onbU0/video.html
Hi Jonni!
Do you think I could replace the calcium carbonate for plaster of paris or Jesmonite? Or maybe another type of plaster?
Thanks!
Yes, but it won't be exactly the same. See this video for details before you start mixing up a batch: www.ultimatepapermache.com/paper-mache-made-with-plaster-of-paris
@@UltimatePaperMache Thank you Jonni, I found it literally 30 min later after seeing this video... Silly me! I will try it :)
Hello, I have done everything as you explained, I have something similar to drywall, but nothing does not fit me, that frustrates me because I do not know what to do or what I am doing wrong.
The drywall joint compound is not available in all countries. Did you follow this recipe, or the original recipe that has the joint compound in it?
@@UltimatePaperMache thankssssss for answering, I put something similar to the product you mention, but it does not fit me.
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Hello, sorry for a silly question but can one use chalk powder instead of marble powder? Thing is, there is no powdered marble in my country. And chalk is basically 99% calcium carbonate. Kinda the same thing, isn't it? Would it work? Thank you for your channel.
Yes, that should work. Calcium carbonate has a whole lot of different names, and chalk is one of them. đ
the stores of materials for potters sell calcium carbonate very very cheap. It can be replaced by talc.
Great idea. Thanks! Have a great Christmas! đ
Hey there Jonni !
Just wondering if when they're painted can they be displayed outdoors?
This mixture wouldn't be waterproof by itself. I don't know if paint will protect it well enough, but I suspect that it won't - the original recipe for paper mache clay will soften in the rain, even when varnished.
I think the problem is moisture leaking in from inside even though the outside is varnished, moisture can insert itself into the sculpture just from the humidity in the atmosphere so the inside and the outside would have to be completely sealed. Best way to do that would probably be a slow curing epoxy oh, you would have to, inject or in some fashion get the slow curing epoxy into the inside of the sculpture and then brush it on the outside, then do some sanding and prep work on the outside before finally painting it. I would recommend Stone coat countertops epoxy. You'll find Stone coat countertops epoxy on CZcams. I'll give it some thought if you would like some exterior sculptures. That's my insight into the situation, my goal is a sculpting full size Belgian draft horse along with a saddle and a rider. I know that's kind of big in it!
My point is to get these sculptures to where they are durable and ready to display Outdoors 24/7. Kudos to you my lady, he is taking this so far beyond paper mache! Now, we need to figure out how to seal these sculptural items so that they are durable through both temperature and moisture extremes. That means they got to get sealed up real good! Any other subscribers by all means provide us with your Keen insights. I'm not being facetious, we need to know how we can sculpt these things put him in our yard or garden and leave them maintenance-free in our yards. If we do nothing else during the" boloneyvirus ", let's put our heads together collectively and figure out how to make these durable reliable and worthy of display Outdoors permanently. That would be a Quantum Leap, for all of us sculptors. !đđđđ„đ
@@rogerphillips4211 I've thought of doing a life size horse before. I have done up to goat size with p.v.c. & dry paper sculpting, p.v.c. as the skeleton, newspaper and tape to build up mass, then, a layer of brown paper mache', let dry, & followed by a decorative paper mache' over entire.
Would be interested in how you plan to build up the "frame".
I have seen folks use rebar & chicken wire for large outdoor piece. (I hate chicken wire!) Have also thought of sonno tubes as they are sturdy and easy to cut into.
There is also a type of mesh that they put in cement side walks that I've used. Awfully sharp when you cut it, heavy gloves are a must! But, can be shaped well.
Well Margaret, personally I've been a welder for 33 years, so I can pretty much well to structure together, however I would like for you to consider using PVC tubing, and connectors, and glue for the PVC tubing. Then you would use styrofoam either purchased or scrapped, to construct the majority of the item to be rendered oh, ie. A horse. You would render the vast majority all the animals structure in styrofoam, and then render the details in a thin slurry over the form you have created, rendering all the details and the paper mache clay. Then, you'll have to render a primer and paint on that to keep the moisture out as much as possible. My project is to create a sculpture and pull a mold off of the sculptural items and render them in fiberglass or some other, more durable media.
could the egg cartons made of pulp work as well? they do break down too.
Probably - you'd need to give it a try. đ
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Do you sell your sculptures
No, I don't sell them. I either keep them or give them to relatives or friends - I really have more fun showing people how to make their own sculptures, instead of making one for them. đ
@@UltimatePaperMache I think I tried to much water but noticed you had another method blending the paper and not using flour so I'm going to try that next my skull still isn't dry lol
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Hi Jonni, I wanted to ask you if you think Elmer's Art Paste can be used in place of PVA in this recipe?
I don't know - they're completely different materials, but I suppose it might work. You'd need to try it and see.
@@UltimatePaperMache Will do! Thank you for responding, I really appreciate it!
Can you use the non-premixed joint compound?
I haven't tried the powdered form, but some people have told me that it works. Some of the powdered kind has a lot of plaster of Paris in it, but the slow-acting kind should work OK, with some changes to the formula to keep the mix from being too dry.
Could this be made without a blender? Wanting to do this with my students who could use the sensory stimulation and who won't mind if it takes longer :-)
You can stir by hand, but it will take longer and it won't be quite as smooth. Many people do it that way, though, and they say it works just fine. đ
I don't have glu but it works
Does it dry hard without cracking, even though you didn't use the glue?
@@UltimatePaperMache yes
Do you have a preference for pva glue, white vs clear? I've heard white could yellow or affect paint colors.
I have never had a problem with the Elmer's Glue-All causing a problem with paint colors, but I don't know if that's also true with yellow glue from other brands. Either type of glue should work just fine.
@@UltimatePaperMache great I'll be picking up some white glue, as the clear is significantly more expensive.
Hii! Could i use grout instead of dry wall joint compound? Thanks!!
Maybe. I haven't tried it, but I did try making a mixture using Portland cement, and I really like the way it came out. It's still experimental, as far as using it all year long outside in the rain and snow, but for inside it works really well. You can see that video here: czcams.com/video/8JzjIZVlSd8/video.html
I tried it and it was perfect but it dried it up A LOT during the night even if it was in an airtight container.
Suggestions to prevent it and resuscitate it? I'm trying by intruducing a mixture of water and glue but I'm unsure the results will be the same
It sounds like the powdered marble continued to absorb moisture - if that's what's happening, the addition of a little more glue should take care of it. Good luck!
@@UltimatePaperMache It was indeed what was happening. After reintroducing moisture and glue it got back as good as new, thank you again!
LOVED your last video.... and I have an odd question... video related. How did you get CZcams to NOT show the 8 or 10 'related' video choices at the end of your video? I am struggling with that now
I don't know - maybe because I added my own recommended videos at the end?
@@UltimatePaperMache I tried that also, thinking that might be the trick... Do you have a pay-type account with CZcams? I'm switching to Vimeo because I cant find a solution... I hate that but Im putting out videos in my course and i cant have other suggestions at the end.. not cool.
@@ruthinmanart4063 No, I don't pay CZcams. When I looked at one of your videos I didn't see any suggested videos at the end, but maybe that's because I have an ad blocker on my browser. However, they always show up when I embed my own videos on my website. I did a fast Google search to see if there's a way for you to turn them off on your own videos, but it doesn't look like it's possible. Or maybe I was just using the wrong words to explain the problem. Here's a guy who might be able to help, a YT "expert" who appears to be answering his comments: czcams.com/video/5HLy2hiJU5Y/video.html
@@UltimatePaperMache Thanks, I really appreciate you taking time to explore. I also had done a google search and tried a few solutions that Used To work.. seems YT has turned all those off... its happening when I embed them on my website,... so I just opened an account with Vimeo... no such ads there. Thanks again...
@@ruthinmanart4063 It looks like there might be a Wordpress plugin that will removed the suggested videos from embedded videos on a website. I just found an article about it, but I don't want to put the link here because I don't know if it works or not. I don't want people to think I'm recommending it. Do a google search for "wordpress hide youtube related videos plugin." I can control which videos are suggested, more or less, when I make my posts using Elementor Pro. The video widget lets me choose to show suggested videos from just my channel, or any channel.
Do you have any advice for working with paper mache when you don't have newspaper to work with? I only have regular paper scrapes
Do you mean like copy paper? That works just fine. So does the paper from an old phone book, or brown paper from paper bags.
@@UltimatePaperMache yes I mean copy paper I have do much left over from school
Will you please tell me how to dry in oven ?
You can dry paper mache in an oven, but keep the temperature at 200° F (99.33° C) to make sure it doesn't burn. And keep an eye on it, to make sure it dries evenly.
me gusta mucho pero no hablo ingles, tengo que adivinar habra lista de materiales
you can find the written materials list here: www.ultimatepapermache.com/paper-mache-clay-without-joint-compound
Could I still use flour instead of powdered marble?
I don't know - I haven't tried that. You might want to do a small experiment first, to see how well it dries, and if it's strong enough.
What is the green ball your using
I squashed some newspaper and wrapped it with green masking tape. I just needed something to stick the clay to. đ
does the joint compound make paper clay toxic?
You definitely don't want to eat it. And you shouldn't sand it without a mask. Other than that, it seems to be perfectly safe. Joint compound is used every day by thousands of people without problems, but be sure to read the label.
What about Pop ? Can it be used instead ?
I haven't tried it, but plaster gets hard really fast. I don't know if you'd have time to sculpt with it. If you do an experiment, please let us know if it works.
@@UltimatePaperMache thank you so much for a reply :), yes it does dry very fast.. I will let you know! Take care đ
Why does the DAP joint compound not work?
There's something in their formula that causes it to turn into Flubber when it's mixed with glue. That's fun if you want flubber, but not fun if you want paper mache clay. đ
Hi, did you ever try to use talk instead of corn starch? Th
No, but a lot of people have suggested it. I don't think I could find it in my tiny little town, so I haven't had a chance to try it. If you do, please let us know if it works.
What is that oven temp/time đ Thank You
I keep the oven under 250F, so the paper mache clay won't burn. If you aren't in a hurry, just leave it out on the table, and it will air dry.
Can food grade calcium carbonate be used instead of powdered marble?
Yes, it's the same thing.
@@UltimatePaperMache Thank you for letting me know. Truly enjoy and appreciate your videos.
is masking tape okay to put into the oven for the armature? i cannot tell what is being used in the video, though it does look like tape
The tape tends to curl up in the oven if it isn't covered. I did stick this one in the oven to hurry it up, but I wasn't worried about the tape because it was just a little test sculpture.
@@UltimatePaperMache thank you!
we don't have calcium carbonate or joint compound. any other substitute?
I don't know of any. You might want to use the traditional paper pulp recipes (soaked paper held together with some kind of glue or paste). This site has a lot of tutorials using paper pulp: www.papiermache.co.uk/
Do you know if you could just use egg shells instead of the calcium carbonate?
How would you grind them up into a very fine powder? If you can do that, it would be worth an experiment, but my chickens don't lay enough eggs for me to try it myself. đ
@@UltimatePaperMache yes I was thinking wash the shells after you crack them get enough to make powder and go from there... Just an idea that would probably take forever đ
Doesn't the joint compound just add to the clay like texture and without it - well it would not be the same? Adding the plaster really lessons the time one can work.
Yes, the plaster is much faster setting than the joint compound, but a lot of places in the world don't have drywall joint compound in their stores. If you just leave it out, you'll have the traditional paper pulp - just paper and some glue or paste to hold it together. Lots of people like using it, but I was never excited about it. This site has a lot of tutorials using that mixture: www.papiermache.co.uk/
Corn starch and corn flour in the UK are one and the same thing.
Thanks - I didn't know that.
@@UltimatePaperMache I know this is a year old but I learned this today so thought I'd share. Just to be difficult, in the UK (and some other countries as well), we call corn starch "corn flour" and corn flour "corn meal". Nothing like keeping things simple!
Now to find an alternative to the corn starch. I need a recipe that doesn't contain food ingredients.
I do have a recipe for the paper mache clay without flour. You can see it here: czcams.com/video/JYN2QPR6gu0/video.html
It isn't as smooth as the recipe on this page without the joint compound, and it's more work to make, but you might like it.
Madom Iam from India.In stores I cannot get this joint compound.what can I use ?
The video page you're on has a recipe for paper mache clay without joint compound. Is that not what you're looking for?
@@UltimatePaperMache is it better one in finishing works?
My grandmother used flower and water to make glue for wallpaper and she added sage to keep the bugs from eating the flower
Interesting - I hadn't heard of that before. Thanks. đ