Will The BeNeLiga Change Football Forever? | Explained
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On today's Explained, we take a look at the proposed merger between the Dutch Eredivisie and Belgian Pro League, and discuss whether this could be the first of many cross-national leagues in world football!
On the 16th March, the Belgian Pro League confirmed that 25 of the country’s biggest football clubs had voted unanimously in favour of exploring the possibility of establishing the BeNeLiga, which would see the best sides from Belgium and the Netherlands come together to form a new, cross-border league.
While Dutch clubs are yet to hold such a vote, there have been discussions since 2019 between six clubs from the Eredivisie and five from the Pro League over the possible merger, and if it becomes a reality, it will hold big ramifications for football in the region and beyond. It would likely see the dissolvement of the Eredivisie, which has run since 1956, and the Pro League, which was established in 1895, bringing an end to over a century of footballing tradition in both countries - a situation many fans don’t want to see happen.
However, it also promises a higher quality, more competitive league, in doing so bringing in more money through television revenue, and with the hope that clubs like Ajax, PSV and Club Brugge will challenge more consistently in Europe, having seen their standing in continental competition decline in the decades since the establishment of the Champions League. It’s also been seen as a reaction to the looming spectre of a European Super League, and the drastic changes to the Champions League which come into effect from 2024.
But how would the BeNeLiga work? Is it really needed? And could this be the first of many cross-national leagues? Let’s find out..
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Do you think the BeNeLiga is a good idea? And are there any other leagues you'd like to see merge?! 👇
bad for the lower table sides in either country, they would be pushed down far into the second/third league. On the other hand, neither leagues are as good as the national team so it would definitely form a more competitive group
My friends are mostly Anderlecht fans and they are all up for traveling around belgium and netherlands for games
@@hsjfhsfdnmbf6452 not necessarily, there is a major lack of professional teams in both Belgium and The Netherlands. The spaces in the second tear are filled with b teams from the big clubs. This is a big problem because they can't compete with professional teams and thus make the second tear weaker. It woud also allow these second tear teams to grow because if they win their respective national league they would feature in the lucrative BeNeLiga and make more money. They could also bargain for financial support from the BeNeLiga (especially Dutch smaller clubs because they have more voting power). I think the BeNeLiga would be beneficial for every club (provided it's well organized) but there are still many things that need to be clarify like the amount European tickets and regulations regarding transfers etc.
Question to non Belgian and Dutch viewers, do you curently watch ether league, and would you watch a potential BeNeLiga. I very much doubt that there would be a sufficient interest to really grow as a league.
@@tibocoulier6280 I'm from Indonesia and I do watch some Eredivisie matches, but not the Belgian league (we don't get that aired here).
It would make a more competitive league rather than seeing the same winners all the time. Not a bad idea
Ajax would dominate though I believe
@@sheep2goated30 i doubt it would be that easy
@@sheep2goated30 they'll dominate for the first few seasons.
@@dannemesias7790 I love the idea but there still is a large financial gap between Dutch and Belgian clubs
@@sheep2goated30 you mean Ajax and any Belgian/Dutch clubs? Yes
The rest? Not that much
Luxembourg : you guys starting a league without me?
Yes.
And Austria
@@footballshorts7118 austria is quite far away brother
@@thijsdebontridder473 yh I know but I'd love to see Austrian teams in there
@@footballshorts7118 why?
5 hours for the longest away trip in the the BeNe would be the shortest away trip for many MLS fans.
As someone who lives in South Africa I think this is a massive development. A lot of African players move abroad because there’s simply not the excitement there so I fully support this🙏🏼
vind je ja ?
You should know that the positivity surrounding the possibility of a BeNeLiga is mostly coming from Belgium. Here in the Netherlands there is almost no support for it, especially now that Dutch clubs are performing well in Europe.
Not rly, u had 1 good year with Ajax and have been shit every other year after Ajax lost all their good players
@@bilalahmed-little9976 in 16/17 Ajax reached the Europa league final, in 18/19 they reached the champions league semi finals, this year they have a good chance to win the Europa league while AZ had some good showings against Napoli and Real Sociedad and PSV qualified out of their group as well. That's pretty good for us and a clear upward trajectory
Alleen is de competitie zelf niet echt competitief... Met clubs zoals Anderlecht Genk en Brugge zoude de matchen veel spannender zijn
I want it to happen because the gap between the top 4 and the rest of the league is becoming too big
Er zijn wel gewoon mensen voor maar niet in de media dus lijkt het alsof er geen support is kaar ik las laatst dat van AZ Ajax Feyenoord en PSV 53% er voor is.
Not going to lie, I would love Celtic and Rangers in the Prem.
Trust me you wouldn't wanna see that
*Championship
Pff wouldn't be long with celtic and rangers make the prem a two horse race too.
Championship quality
@@billmurphy5604 they would struggle to start with, but once their finances grow, their fan bases and history will attract some decent players that can help them compete.
I think it’s a good and inventive idea. It’ll be super competitive. I’m very interested.
I want them to make a united Scotland, Ireland, Northern Ireland and Wales league I think that could be interesting as-well
@@txrhv9743 nah the the Welsh and NI leagues aren’t even professional. Scottish teams would be the best with the likes of Dundalk, Shamrock Rovers and Bohemians being strong enough too. the rest of the Irish clubs have players that aren’t all full time so they couldn’t compete. It’s all about money really
@@L.S.J. yh I know I mean if they can get a good amount of financial backing maybe over the next couple years and then do this and I know it will take some time for improvements but when it is tuning it would be a great league especially if you could get Swansea and Cardiff to join it would bring a lot of money
@@L.S.J. so put them in epl? They will be destroyed full stop
@@r3zaful I still have some take away from last night. I'm going to eat it
If this goes through and both nations are able to retain their own national teams then there's no reason Celtic and Rangers couldn't join the English football pyramid. If they start at a level in England comparable to the SPL it should only take them ten seasons of consecutive promotions to reach the Premier League.
Unfortunately for Celtic they would only manage 9 consecutive ones 😉
@@hamishcxnxry9133 eight and three quarters.
Swansea plays in the English leagues And Wales has its own National squad so I dont think this is different for Scotland :)
Lovely to see my FM legend Badji on the thumbnail
Waited for this video ,thank you FD!
I can see it replacing Ligue 1 as the 5th best in Europe
Not if mbappe di maria neymar and veratti stay
Doubt it - the power of the top 5 leagues is massivepy to do with the size of their respective markets. Even NL + Belgium is still a much smaller population than the big 5. However it could absolutely challenge Portugal's Liga NOS
@@NedTesco you realize Liga NOS is overtaking Ligue 1 for 5th place any time now right?
So if you think BeNeLiga would challenge Liga NOS, then BeNeLiga would also be able to beat out the French league
@@clippower03 that’s some cap the French league is just getting stronger stop shitting on them
@@tasbhu764 we’re talking about UEFA coefficient mate. Get with it
If the French league is really getting stronger like you say, then they’re certainly not proving it in the Europa League and Champions League.
If it wasn’t for PSG carrying the coefficient they would be fucked
A scandinavian super league (denmark x sweden x norway) would also make sence for higher competition.
Italy, england, germany, france and spain dont need to collaborate with someone else, but smaller neighboring contries would benefit like austria and swiss or benelux (including Luxemburg)
But it make sence why that dont happened so fast, because is the sacrifice of the own tradition.
Travel shouldn't shouldn't that much of a problem, Amsterdam to Brugge is 155 miles whereas Newcastle to London is 276 miles
As a liga mx fan I don't want the merger with the MLS reason one the MLS is subpar compared with liga Mx and This would also destroy the MLS culture that's still very small compared with the liga mx fans . example I know alot of liga mx supporters are generations of their family supporting one club.... Literally fans since day 1...
Yh I think that would just be shocking the culture of football differs to much and American football games don’t have a proper atmosphere
Sadly with money hungry owners this merger seems inevitable
I'm really excited to watch the game between Puebla and Sporting Kansas
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That’s too much traveling as well imagine playing Puebla and then Montreal impact
With the American way of sports you'll see Club America sold to new york and Chivas move to Portland
8:19 but most fans only go to home games and in africa there is trouble because there are 54 countries and different religions cultures and nations would make travel alot harder then simply going between two EU nations like the netherlands and Belgium
Wow now this is interesting? I never saw this coming but this could be a brilliant way of making more competitive leagues
I think those kinds of ideas would work for countries with similar countries with potential to grow
I think a scandinavian league, a baltic league, a Yougoslavian league, both irelands combined are ideas that should be explored
Seems like a good idea and the Belgians are on board but not so much for the dutch. The clubs who are comfortably mid-table in the two leagues may not be in favour as they would likely find themselves in a promotion/relegation cycle post merger.
I saw the suggestion of a cup competition in the comments below that maybe a good way to wet the appetite of the fans
In ice hockey, cross border leagues have operated for a while including in Holland and Belgium who already have a BeNeLiga. It's not made them world beaters but in 2 small scenes it's allowed the Dutch scene to survive and the Belgian one to not be as terrible
I think it would be a very good idea. It would be super competitive and eventually with the financial power clubs like ajax could keep there talent. Would be brilliant
Brooo this is a beatufull video! ANDERLECHTT
I think it will be good
I think Africa should do two national leagues that way every country could have at least one team in one of the leagues and then they could hold a tournament at the end the of the year to decide the best team in Africa
You know what national means yeh?
@@maxarmstrong9029 apparently not
Transnational
4:46 Talks of a European Super League to bed? Sike.
Interesting shizzle.
Not keen though tbf
I would love if this happened ..... I just think other leagues will do the same. Norway/Swedish leagues and probably the old firm to England
As a Norwegian I can't really see much reason for a Norwegian/Swedish league. I have never heard any serious talk about it, and there is only like 2 clubs in Norway who could challenge in the Europa league, so I highly doubt it is ever going to happen
@@fillipinern7588 Det kommer gudskelov heller aldrig til at ske. Vi havde Royal League tilbage i start 00erne, og det blev ikke en succes.
I feel like this actually a great idea but they just need to figure out how to compensate for the fans and smaller clubs
I think it's pretty cool idea, the competition is going to be fierce.
What about a concept like in the MLS with 2 divisions? You could actually just take both leagues (18 teams each) and just make them into 2 divisions. A Dutch and Belgian division. They’d all play against the teams in their division once and half the teams of the other division (randomly chosen) also once. So 26 matches in total if I’m not being stupid. Home and away matches would just change every season so for example if Ajax plays against PSV in one season at home, the following season they’d play at PSV. At the end of the season the top 8/4 teams of both divisions would play in a playoff format until the ultimate champion is decided in a final. So at the end you’d have 30/28 matches in total which will still result in fit teams, able to compete international as well as having both leagues remaining with all 36 teams and still somehow having the feeling of playing in the eredivisie/Jupiter pro league
Nah
@@walterwhite6393 Why not? a bit more than 'nah' would be appreciated
I would rather keep the tradition of having separate leagues everywhere in Europe. Also the cost of an away day would increase by so much it’ll become increasingly difficult for a die hard supporter with a lower income to follow their team around. It’s all well and good to have the odd European game, but when it’s consistent travelling to different countries week in week out its just a bit shit
Belgium and the Netherlands aren't exactly large countries? Both nations combined don't even come close to the size of France and they don't complain about travelling to away days haha
@@sachal-smith1030 I was meaning more the Mediterranean league. But same still applies to Belgium Netherlands just to a lesser extent people will still be paying more relative to what they already pay
@@NO-ts5yt makes sense
In my opinion it’s a great idea. Divide each league in half. Top half of teams of both countries comprise the first tier of the BeNe league, and the bottom Half comprise the 2. BeNe league. With teams from second tier football, they could make a sort of playoff in which top teams qualify to a mini league against top teams from the other country. 3 tier teams should just stay in their country and play in a regional Belgian or regional Dutch league.
Brilliant idea this is, reckon more smaller leagues should look into this. Its a bit like when the national league teams get relegated they go North or South division. Easy too understand and be great for football.
In late 2019 and early 2020, there had been discussions between League of Ireland (Rep of Ireland) clubs and Irish Premiership (Northern Ireland) clubs about an All-Island League. The talks went pretty far with an analysis done by HyperCube who had pretty good projections if it happened. The IFA in the North have said they will never agree to a full brand new cross-border league, so the most likely one to happen is an MLS-style where both leagues compete under an All-Island Final Competition (like East and West Confrences and then the MLS Finals).
European places remain the same as they would be decided by the respective leagues and cups and the All-Island part just being to say who is the best on the Island. Talks halted and are now on hold since the pandemic started with no new info since.
I would not care if the price for something went up slightly if I knew that the quality of the product or service (the entertainment of the match) would increase. I'd say that the BeNeliga serves well. For the lower divisions, the can have the league winners promoted with a playoff system combining the second tier of Belgium and Holland for the third spot. Obviously not perfect but this took two seconds to think of.
If this idea Will be worker out I think there Should also be a Second beneleague where the smaller clubs Could fight for promotion to the Beneleague 1. Also I think there should be 20 clubs so there Will be more matches between the two different countries. And for promotion to the Second League Just use the keukenkqmpioendiviesie and the Second Belgisch league. Also for degradation from the beneleague 1 switch op 4 teams each year so there Will be much more variation.
Bad idea. The top few clubs will dominate and the smaller clubs will eventually become worse off. It might be a big sell at the start. But it would soon wear off when the lower clubs can't compete
This will be a positive as it would make them more competitive but teams lower down in the football pyramid would be bit terrible as lower down teams would be religated but for the long time it will make it a better league tbh the english leagues do this with wales and its done very well
A Scot-por-be-ne league could be an interesting idea, very levelled and competitive.
No those distances are to far for a regular competition
@@bennybackx3193 I don't think that's even further than MLS, A trip from Toronto to Los Angeles😬
We thought this league would change football , little did we know
it would be interesting to see Ajax & PSV going up against Anderlecht & Brugge
+ anything to give competition towards the Big 5 leagues. Hell i can see other nations/regions maybe doing something similar to also increase their revenues (Scandinavian, Baltic regions)
I don't think a baltic league is going to happen though
Could see an All Ireland type of league come into play, although I struggle to see how they would work 😂
@@nimaleshjaykumar1662 honestly the Baltic region should have a union because their football is stronger together than apart
All of the Belgian teams want it. But many top Dutch teams don’t. Its also a bit of a step down for Belgium/Dutch lower ranked teams.. who would get into the second league. I’m not a fan of this idea + away games will me way more difficult to go to for fans
25 of the biggest football clubs in belgium ? LMAO we have only 3 big clubs, and those arent even big clubs, maybe 1 big club atm
Big club "atm". The size of a club doenst change every 10 years lol
@@nikoscheinhardt385 LMAO! MAn united in the 80's and Man United in the 90's .... Wakie wakie , or Blackburn Rovers or Nottingham Forrest ... can give 15 more ex.
@@nikoscheinhardt385 The Sjiek of Man City disagrees btw
@@Gilloe you're confusing level with size.
@@nikoscheinhardt385 Not at all ... You can't seem to grasp the concept of going from a lower budget, lower skilled players , smaller stadium & no achievements to better budget, bigger complex, bigger club .... Or vice versa , Forrest once was a club with good players, european succes & large fan base which now totally declined , City did the oppposite . You are confused thinking level & size are different , it's time boud
Football historians: How was East German teams incorporated in Bundesliga?
About Regional leagues: they seems as a good idea, especially if national leagues in region are weak. Like Scandinavia, Baltic or even some sort of Central Europe (like Poland+Czechia+Slovakia), or Alpine league (Switzerland+Austria+Lichtenstein and throw in one club from Sanmarino to have more competitive league for those small countries). Only problem is that there should be at least two tier system for geographic leagues.
Maybe second tier could be played inside nations and then play-off system to save costs.
Im usually against the modernization of football. But i do think this is the natural way to go as regards Holland and Belgium at least. It would add a lot more interest amongst these kind of teams and help strengthen clubs what with the increased revenue.
Hopefully it would mean the likes of traditional European giants such as Ajax would gain a foothold in European competition and be able to retain a few of their better players for a while longer.
Maybe this will sparkle interest in the likes of Norway and Denmark to combine and create a 'Normark' or 'Denway' league? Perhaps Portuguese giants Benfica, Porto and Sporting will put in a request to form a Iberian league with Spain?
I personally would like to see traditional big names like Ajax and Benfica having the ability to compete more with the clubs from the big 5 nations.
I think it's imperative to have at least some sense of history and tradition by not only seeking to preserve clubs like the aforementioned, but to help give them a leg up as well.
For every Man City, PSG, Chelsea and RB Leipzig we need to have an Ajax, Benfica, Celtic and a Leeds Utd.
Spot on.
Great comment, but I have one thing I’d like to point out, and that is that these merger leagues are still not going to get any near the top 4 leagues financially. A few percentages closer perhaps, but nothing that’d ultimately change anything in European football. You mention a Denway league, I see. The problem is that Danish clubs are far better off financially compared to both Norwegian clubs but also Swedish clubs. If a Scandinavian league was founded there’d be a about 4 title contenders and 3 of them would be from Denmark and one would be from Sweden (Malmø). There’d also be too much resistance for it to take off. Sure, foreign armchair viewers who never watch football live, might think it’s ideal, but I truly doubt us natives would let it slide. Just my adding my 2 cents.
@@TheCDR8Gaming I agree a few % closer but not close enough to genuinely compete. But whilst the big 5 leagues pull away ever more from the rest of Europe, i still think its important to at least try something new and enterprising to create a little more interest within these leagues. Even taking the big 5 leagues out of the equation, the time has come where a Beneliga would be a natural progression.
I didnt know that Danish clubs are far better off financially than those of Norway but if they could bridge that gap i think Norway and Denmark should definantly combine in the near future.
I didnt mention Sweden because i consider the Allsvenskan to be a strong and vibrant enough league to thrive on its own. Sure its not a powerhouse of a league but its still pretty competitive, even if Swedish clubs dont go far in Europe.
@@orlandotrustfullandhiscosm4110 Thanks for the reply. It's nice to have nuanced debate on CZcams for once. Sorry for my very long reply, but this is a topic that interests me quite a bit.
Whether those few percentages are worth reaching out for is a matter of perspective. I'd say they aren't. Why, you might ask.
Well, while the top 4 leagues have already taken off from the runway a long time ago, Scandinavian leagues haven't even left the gate yet - financially speaking. Why bother risking bankrupting multiple midtable/bottomtable clubs just so that we could get 2 or 3 spots further up in the UEFA ranking? Football, imo, is not only an entertainment product. Lots of clubs also act as social and cultural institutions in the local community. Mine does for certain, and they'd definitely risk bankruptcy if they didn't make this Denway League. Unless, the tv revenue from the Denway League would be well distributed to the two domestic divisions. But that would crush the whole point of the Denway League.
"I didnt mention Sweden because i consider the Allsvenskan to be a strong and vibrant enough league to thrive on its own."
What do you base that on? Other than Malmø, clubs aren't better of financially than those of Norway. If anything, it'd make more sense to merge Eliteserien and Allsvenskan.
"Even taking the big 5 leagues out of the equation, the time has come where a Beneliga would be a natural progression."
Sure, from a fully capitalistic perspective, it is definitely the natural progression. But unregulated hyper capitalism hasn't worked for those at the bottom of the society. Look at the US. Look at UEFA. Smaller clubs that also have play a role in the local community would in worst case disappear from pro football. Is this what we want? Y'know, football is after all more than a TV product.
I don't believe that merging leagues is the way to go. Instead, I'd like to see some heavy regulation done by UEFA. Ideally a salary cap could help reducing super clubs like PSG, Bayern, City etc. although UEFA would have trouble with the EU court, if they were to enforce it (hint: they won't).
There's already plenty of money in European football. But the money needs to be distributed much better. Otherwise, football as we know it - will be a thing of the past. :-)
@@TheCDR8Gaming My crikey, it is a long reply indeed!
First off i do agree that its imperative to ensure the smaller clubs and lower leagues not only survive but thrive.
If these ventures meant putting the existence of 'lesser clubs' at risk then i certainly would promote merger leagues.
As with a lot business models, (and football is a business, whether we like it or not) the key is to make decent money without completely anihilating the small people.
As purely a spectacle the Beneliga and the Denway league would pique a lot more interest from any football fan. If money was no obstacle and the sustainability of smaller clubs wasnt put under threat then of course, Rosenborg, Molde, FC Copenhagen and Brondby all in the same league would be far more engaging than as the Norweigian and Danish leagues currently stand.
I think Norway and Belgium are quite similar cases in which they would harbour more interest in combining with Denmark and Holland, rather than the other way round.
So as i say, taking the financial issues out of the equation, these combination leagues make sense both sporting wise and geographically.
Im certainly no expert on the Allsvenskan but if you take a look at the past 5 or 6 seasons there has been a decent amount of variations in league positions for numerous teams.
2015 Champions IFK Norrkoping went on to finish 3rd, 6th, 2nd, 5th and 6th in the past 5 seasons.
IFK Goteborg who finished 2nd in 2015 went on to finish 4th, 10th, 11th, 7th and 12th
AIK Solna finished 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 4th and 9th
IF Elfsborg finished 4th 5th 8th 12th 8th and 2nd
Malmo FF finished 5th 1st 1st 3rd 2nd and 1st
Djugardens IF finished 6th 7th 3rd 7th 1st and 4th
Hammarby IF finished 11th 11th 9th 4th 3rd and 8th
If that aint a vibrant and competitive league i don't know what is. OK, it may not be a 'strong' league but it certainly is an interesting league.
Even though Malmo FF are the strongest emerging club in Sweden, their dominance isnt as if they have been far and away the best club by far in the way Ajax and PSV dominate their league, Anderlecht and Club Brugge in Belgium and the way Rosenborg and Molde tend to dominate the Tippeligaen.
I bet even the likes of Feyenoord and Sporting Lisbon get fed up of finishing top 3 or 4 with the odd Championship title win here and there. So it wouldnt just be more interesting to see who would win a Beneliga or Denway league title but the emerging close rivalries that could potentially be created.
A Feyenoord-Anderlecht or a Rosenborg-Copenhagen fixture would be something im sure all footy fans would like to see every season.
I wont bore you with extra things to say. Thanks anyway for the detailed reply and i hope you appreciate my in-depth response.
Take care.
Instead of making a league, why not make it a tournament-like competition? All 18 teams from both domestic leagues playing in knock out rounds with double fixtures. It would be 7 games max for teams that reach the final, give a boost in revenue for all teams, and theoretically make both leagues more competitive because of the increase in revenue. It isn't exactly a merger, but could become the start of one. Think of the rivalry that can start between the top clubs in each league. Plus, I don't think any club would dismiss the opportunity for more silverware
I am born and raised Dutch but I’ve been a die-hard Arsenal fan since I was 7 years old. It’s probably because Dutch football was already so painfully bad to watch. So this merger makes sense and would be really interesting!
Your a arsenal fan and complaining how bad dutch football is? Ever watched arsenal mate..
This is 100% a good idea for football in the Low Countries. This would allow the BeNeLiga to at least start knocking on the Big 5's doorsteps. With good development and investment, it could easily turn Europe into the "Big 6" Leagues. This would also give the big teams like Ajax more competition domestically to help them improve their quality and ability to keep talent when it came time to compete in Europe. Considering this would also act as its own publicity since it's such a cool, new change, I'd also wager that the hype alone will drive up profits as the league gets started. Hell, I'd start paying closer attention.
This is beautiful I always though about things like this myself their should be a champions league for teams like Celtic club Brugge fc Basel teams from Mexico and mls all together for cup competitions
The travel expenses will be more and what about all the clubs down in the lower division and what if the revenue isn’t as high as expected your now sharing it between more clubs
Bruh, both country is still smaller than German/France even you combined
Would be really cool but also weird
I agree with the concept 100%. I think it can even be expanded to cross-national teams. I have said for over a decade that the Caribbean should have one unified team. Then the US and Mexico would not dominate CONCACAF and more excellence from the island nations can come to the forefront!
The smaller teams in these various leagues would start to get phased out
The idea is basically that the money in the second league would still be better than being bottom half in the first league.
@@Londronable That’s just not how tv revenue distribution works. The smaller clubs would indeed get phased out. A disaster for football.
@@TheCDR8Gaming Not according to the people involved.
I'm not making the rules here. The fact is that according to the people who are for this is would benefit small teams as well.
@@Londronable I'm not making the rules either.
Which people are you talking about? You've got to have a source of some sort. A link perhaps? "According to the people involved" is not a solid argument on why small clubs would benefit from it without having some sort of proof.
Interesting
This is an awesome idea fair play to Belgium and I hope the Dutch teams are on board 👍
No Belgium is far less then the Netherlands and smaller clubs will end up in the second league. And the lowest of both countries will go down what can mean that if your a dutch club and end up in 14th but there are 4 belgium teams below you, you will stil go down.
The BeNeLiga will happen although these days in April 2022 as I am writing this Dutch teams walked away from this idea. It will happen some time in the future cuz it needs to happen. Potentially there might be a Balkan league as well as a probbale central european Danube-Carpathia region league invlving Czechia, Austria, Hungary and Slovakia. Economics and geographyis the way
sounds like a great idea
I like the ideia, its birngs so much more competitiveness, however I can see why fans and even some clubs dont want that. Clubs like PSV, Ajax and the likes wouldnt win as often and tradition would also be lost. Its a two headed knife
But they would get some much more funds and get keep good players
PSV and Ajax may not win as much, but surely the increase in competition will improve their teams ability and help them perform better in Europe
@@arris8196 But that's the thing, help them perform better in Europe, but to what end? Try to win european competitions whilst not winning domestically?
Speaking as an Ajax supporter I think it should happen, most clubs already have the hardest difficulty to present an mandatory annual budget. If it wasnt due to the current tv deal most of the Dutch clubs would have gone bankrupt in 2012. And in all these years the financial situation has become worse, Ajax of course is the financial most stable and towers lightt years above the rest, but clubs like PSV, AZ, Vitesse, SC Heerenveen, FC Groningen, FC Utrecht still have some potential, Feyenoord is a sleeping gigiant but that club has been mismanaged for several decades, while they should be the second club (though they are in size).
The second division is even in a worse state, in 2012 I forgot who it was but the tv rights holder back than didnt wanted to pay more than they already did which, which would have ment the end of most clubs in the second divison. Intially FOX had no interest but changed its mind but demanded that the youth teams from the Dutch traditional topclubs Ajax, PSV en Feyenoord were allowed into the second division. With the odd thing that they could win the league but couldnt promote to first league. A Bena League could work since most clubs barely have any serious future perspective and survive from season to season, and its also obvious Ajax and PSV need more weekly resistence.
If Dutch football doesnt act the league will die anyways due to the lack of money, so this is something which will happen. Deloite & Touch is as we speaking working a full buisnessplan for a merger league, and it will be for the better cause for years the clubs with no future perspective what so ever are holding back the clubs who still have perspective. And have been dragging these clubs with them, plus the clubs who dont go over to the first division of the new league might have a better perspective in a new second divison than the one they are in currently. The bigggest obsticles are of course money and emotions, within1 or 2 years current tv deals ends and Ajax already has said arent going to sell their rights collectively again, which is a powerful tool to leverage.
TBF I really like the idea that non-top 5 Europe leagues should merge each other,not only getting better on revenue,competitions,close the gap between themselves and big 5 leagues and other aspect.
I think there’s an easier but sly way Celtic and the ’gers can get into the English premier league. Buy a team in England in ideal location at as cheap a price as possible that won’t cost a fortune to raise up through the leagues. Set up a youth academy to start cranking out talent to either sell off or keep if they’re looking like they have high potential.
Naturally they’d wanna rebrand them as town/area name Celtic or Rangers with identical club crests. If it worked and the English division was to become self sustaining then it could rise through the ranks borrowing talent from the parent club until the team is in the prem when the best players can make their way over from Glasgow into the more lucrative EPL. The Glasgow team could keep going in parallel.
But of course the better way to do it would be for both leagues to create a merged league and make sure it combines the European competition slots for both countries. There are already enough teams jockeying for top 7 they don’t need or want wealthy scotsmen cutting their lunch
For the top few it’d be great but for the other teams they’d get no chance at Europe or even being in the first division
The Dutch fans don’t want this because the way the Belgium teams play football is really boring and I think most Belgium fans agree , the only people that want this are people who get money from it not the fans
This idea is absolutely terrible for any team that won't end up in the top flight of the Beneliga. Any teams currently playing in their countries' respective second tiers will never get to the highest flight. This entire idea is horrible for football in both nations.
Teams like Jong Ajax and Jong PSV can never be promoted to the Eredivisie as their respective first teams play there. These second teams can become champions of the second division but promotion is impossible so how would it work with the BeNeLiga if Ajax or PSV were to be relegated back to the national (second) division?
I hope this never happens because as soon as FIFA or UEFA see a profitable opportunity it will get monopolised and I don’t want too Celtic v Man United or Rangers v Man City.
All for it, local derby’s wouldn’t matter if the other team isn’t on the same level to be in such leagues
As a football fan from Sweden am I more exited for the Scandinavian version of champions league
What do you mean?
@@noah_mantel I mean that I would like a Scandinavian one more
@@adrianhena7252 ohhh okay thanks
Would love that
Like the royal league
They should start with a joined cup competition to try this out
BeNe Liga would make more sense than Scandinavian one (coming from a Belgian living in Sweden). Not that it has a big chance to happen, over the decades it seems you always get the top 5 of both countries really into it and the rest not really. Then again, I also thought the butchered system they have in Belgium now would never happen and it did.
Portugal and Spain also have plans to form an iberian league but many fans dislike this idea
This one is kinda rubbish ngl
Bruh most Spanish teams are better than Portuguese ones mauve Porto and benfica might hold but they will also crack to real, barca, Sociedad maybe if it was Portuguese vs German league
Don't see how it could be beneficial for Portuguese clubs. No europe spots if not for Porto, Benfica and maybe Sporting and the travels would be too much for them...
@@wokie.3204 Yes that's why almost every Portuguese fan is against it
a system could be created to solve the participation of the Portuguese clubs the cup champion goes Champions
Benfica, was the first to win the European Cup,against Madrid, and Barcelona, recently sent them to the uefa league
I think that Valencia, and Real Sociedad, would be more worried until Atlético panicked.
However, the idea must be considered with the union of the cups, that alone will leave a lot of money.
and the European Cup Winners' Cup returns?
British Cup Champion
Iberian Cup Champion
greco-italian cup
German-Austrian Cup
😍
The ideal of an inter border premire league sounds awesome.
Beneliga will produce new talents.
This is most likely the future of football I won't be surprised to see a balkan league and maybe a Scandinavian league although travel would be rough in the Scandinavian league
If this were to move forward, I think both countries would have to fully merge their football pyramids. Beneliga 1, 2, 3 etc. Any other way would be an organizational mess. Then your domestic cup competitions would hold another level of importance.
Really interesting.... Just an opinion..... Higher level than actually national championship....
i would start with a cup and see from then because if the cup doesn't perform then the leageu wil not perform to i think
Well it definitely can't be the first cross competitive league. They are just trying to adapt an MLS model into European football and withe the americanisation meaning the top clubs would be able to get a more lucrative financial package
You can keep the eredivisie and the pro league. The winners of these leagues will promote to the beneliga
Why only videos from anderlecht???!!!
Lets say they're gonna deal with it , which club are considered as a big one
Ajax, PSV, Feyernoord, Club Brugge, and Anderlecht...
?? if they're combining both leagues for a 1st division then why not make a 2nd division too and why not make the 1st division 20 teams
Good idea, Goodluck to them.
If this goes through this is the beginning of the end because the bigger clubs are going to follow suit they're going to create a super league in kill all the smaller clubs I don't like this give the smaller clubs chance to grow chance to develop Talent
I’ve been saying this for years. The Celtic countries leagues should join together (Scotland, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Isle of Man, and Wales)
Nah only dundalk would be around the 1st division and welsh teams like swansea wouldn’t go for it cuz it wont be as good as in the EFL as they have it now.
Celtic and rangers would dominate
That wouldn't change their league one bit tbf
A great concept but itll have poor execution
In Scandinavia we have border leagues in term of hooliganism. So it would make sense with a Scandinavian Super League
Wales, Ireland and Scotland should merge leagues it would be absolutely shit though.
@Samuel Barker more of a chance of what??? The league would be terrible without Rangers and Celtic
Many leagues will follow. The Mexican and US leagues will fuse soon they already have a general director for the fusion of the two.
They never think about fans! The travelling etc.
Mate, Belgium & Holland jointly hosted the Euros for a reason. It's not like Iceland merging with Italy
It’s a four hour drive from the northernmost team in the Eredivisie (Groningen) to the southernmost team in the Belgian First Division (Charleroi).
@@ZachJJames-hc1cf that’s false, if you want to go from the east of the Netherlands and going to Zeeland takes 3,5 hours alone already, though it still wouldn’t be that far away relatively.
And what about Russian teams?
@@betikeye2572 lol, that’s completely incorrect.
Africa could do like a west and east leagues then the winners of them two play in a final
I hope it dosn't as a dutch supporter of 1 of SC Cambuur a smaller dutch league
The talks about the BeNeliga are much older. The idea comes from former PSV-Chairman Harrie van Raaij as early as the 2000's.
He said that in the video, just listen
Bad idea
It will challenge Ligue 1 and Primera as "best of the rest".
Works in rugby, could definitely work in football.
dougie is bold
I would like Portugal and Scotland to join this as well and for Sweden, Norway, Finland and Denmark to make a Scandinavian league.
Poor Faroe Islands, they want to play too.
No Belgium and the Netherlands are very close to eachother
@@eriknetherlands3678 I didn’t say they weren’t?
Can we talk about Kompanys hairstyle?!?!?!
Finally some competition for the 6th spot to Liga NOS
i mean Portuguese League System should have an different format if they want to dominace the league
@@hugoumero9723 nah, they just need money, with the lack of money they are forced to sell their talents, otherwise it would be a top 3 league, no doubt
@@a.u.r.a.s i mean why FPF put terceira liga with 24 teams instead of 48 teams with 4 groups of 12 teams
@CALIGVLA Russia got 6th place for 2 years thanks to mafia... Eredivisie > Premier Liga
Beneliga would defenitly be the 6th league maybe 5th