Can You Be BRAVER in Fast Corners? DOMINATE the Quick Stuff.
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- čas přidán 11. 12. 2019
- Do you need to be braver in fast corners? Can you find lap time in corners like Eau Rouge and Copse? In this video Driver61 founder Scott Mansell gives tips on how to build speed in quick corners, find MASSIVE lap time and ultimately win races.
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This is an absolute flawless channel, Scott is the ultimate visualiser and teacher..
Thank you for every bit of help I am getting from you.
What a great man he is.
The tips in your video's are pure gold. I can feel myself improving so much as a sim racer since I started watching your video's. Keep up the great content!!
Dude, this post is godly information. It took me twenty years to think about weight transfer and balance properly. It takes twenty minutes to get a car close now, but twenty hours to get it close to "right". Racing is hard. God bless all ya'll.
The thing with the vision is an absolute top tip.
When i was karting i always looked at the apex. Then looked at the exit and my laptime was 0,400 faster.
You are amazing thanks for your channel.
This vision becomes SO much more important when you're driving REALLY fast.
Well endurance too
Floor it and see what happens
Forza: Literally every corner.
IRL: My final thoughts.
Whenever I see Eau Rouge, it always brings back memories of seeing Webber overtaking Alonso there. Perhaps Scott you could make a video on that manoeuvre.
You've described every emotion and behavior that I've experienced on track. One of my greatest fears are leading into a fast corner, dabbing the brake before that fast entry, and realizing later on the next lap or so that I could in fact take the turn faster without touching the brakes, by what I didn't do was open the steering enough to maximize exit speed through the rumble strips of the paint in fear of sliding when touching the paint despite straightening the wheels. Your videos are very, very informative and descriptive. I simply wish you could sit right seat of me since no one that I know has this understanding and mastery to correct my hesitations and tell me to look through. I have to depend on myself and after I explain my experience to someone, they assume something else and give me the wrong feedback.
Best one yet I think. Really good advice.
And for new drivers, get competent coaching as soon as possible! Some schools will teach less than optimum lines in order to minimize the chance of students crashing their cars. This is not good and later on you will wonder why more experienced drivers are so much quicker than you. If you can possibly afford it, get individual or small group coaching, like Scott offers. It will save you seasons of being slow!
I made all of those mistakes when I started racing formula cars plus the additional one of "crabbing" into corners. Receiving good coaching and analysis of how my inputs affected the car allowed correction of most of my mistakes. Note that I had to, for the most part, figure out that some lines I had been taught in some driver's schools were far less than optimal. One mistake lasted far too long however.
The old advice of "picking reference points" for braking and turn in just wasn't working for me. Finally, in desperation, I gave up on "reference points" entirely and relied on my peripheral vision. That had two benefits. First: I didn't have to be concerned with the "reference point" being blocked or obscured and second: I could look a lot further ahead to place the car properly. The change gained me a full second a lap at Lime Rock park and I was quicker on other circuits as well.
Lime Rock is unusual as one can use the terrain to rotate the car quickly entering two fast corners. On the uphill, approach the corner in a shallow arc and then when the front loads as the pitch of the road changes turn in sharply and wind off lock just as sharply. Done correctly, the car will be straight and stable up the hill. The same applies to the down hill. In a FF or in the old Barber Pro Car, both corners can be taken flat out with confidence.
I also was one of the few drivers that used the curb at the apex. This prevented going over the "hump" created by the crown in the road. (It may be different now since the course was redone several years ago)
I don't have experience in faster cars though. I had an offer to test an ex Michael Andretti Atlantic car at LRP but try as I might I was too tall to fit. :( So YMMV!
-dave
Wow, what a great video! I have only recently become aware of the need to smoothly load the front of my car into fast corners. You description and advice on how to do that is gold. I really can comprehend it with the way you describe it. Thanks!
This channel knowledge is absolutely phenomenal. Thank you for providing so much information for free just to help others to learn more about professional driving
“You don’t know the outcome will be when entered the corner”
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That last bit about NOT braking is great. It took me a long time to realise that my Caterham can corner much faster on quarter-throttle than it can on lift-off or braking. But it takes a mental "mode switch" - you brake, turn in, the rear starts to step out, GO BACK TO THROTTLE (a bit) to balance the car front/rear. It's... not what your instincts want! But when the rear squats and hooks up you can feel the car is so neutral and happy.
Blimey, another gem of a video. We really should be paying for this gold!
Your generosity is unmatched
Your generosity is unmatched
This is so easy to forget in the middle of the races when new to it. Im dying to get back to my 2:05 days at Bathurst and i realized going down that hill and trail braking is the difference between 2:05 and 2:07s...its crazy.
Question: driving lessons. Do you still do racing sessions? Would like to give myself a little cool Christmas gift. Im getting more and more into sim racing (not realizing this is a dark rabbit hole for a car/driver guy)
I guess I want a professional take based on my current skills and I just want to head in the right direction.
Thanks sir. Got bell notification on and I've been following your tutorials for a year now. LOVING IT!!!
On my last trackday in Anglesey I applied this principle more consciously of not breaking last minute and keeping everything smooth. It worked like a gem and it doesn't feel but wife at the pit lane was saying I was definitely faster. Smooth is fast
Excellent Video as always! Thank you very much!
This video is gold. Kudos to you, my brother, you’re the MVP.
More people should come to this channel and learn, maybe iRacing and ACC wouldn't be so dirty when people get it wrong.
Amazing content, I've jumped forwards in my understanding of how to get a car round a track without it going into a wall.
Watched this video before a Spa weekend in F1 2020, really helped me approach Pouhon and Eau Rogue/Radillion much better
so basically, 'compensate for the speed.' Certain things remain static, like reaction time, or the time it takes for a car to respond to your input, but if you are going faster then the distance travelled is further, hence having to do things earlier and look further ahead. I am at Donington tomorrow, to hopefully do 4-5 hours of track driving, my focus areas are, reference points, vision, braking points, then corner speed. All lessons picked up from this channel. thx.
This is a great video. Really sweet spot video between the basic turns and wheel to wheel racing. 5.28 time with advice for us track day guys is really the next step that I have to take all the time, I get caught looking at the braking zone too often especially on left hand turns.
Thanks so much this whole video is what I worked on this year. This is one of your best.
Thank you for this video, I have never understood why do people call those slow sections of race tracks "technical sections". To me those seemingly easy, fast, sweeping corners were where I lost lots of time and paid a high price for every tiny mistake demanded more driving technique proficiency
There's so much more going on in the slower sections. It doesn't mean that the fast sections don't take skill. Eau Rouge scares the shit out of everyone. The slower sections are more technical because there's so much more that you have to think about. You have to actually brake, or at least brake a lot more so you need to be more precise with your braking point, you also need to be perfect with your throttle application on the exit, and you have to push the car as hard as you can to maximize whatever downforce you have and gain more time. Every single corner is an area you can either gain or lose time, that's why he made this video
Great video as always 👍
Thanks once again, learn so much from you
Scott, great content as usual. I can see how I have intuitively used this technique in my own driving (and coaching). But your description of how /why this works is extremely helpful. ** A suggested topic for future videos would be data analysis. I think everybody here has heard or used Harry's laptimer, vbox, Apex, etc. But I think few really understand how to analyze the data - I know I struggle. For most it's just pretty pictures and g-force bragging rights. So some fundamental data analysis techniques that can translate into improved driving would be helpful.
this is phenomenal stuff
Good stuff 👍🏻
Insightful stuff. Silverstone has two or three of these corners that are good for honing (and experimenting with) the various profiles of limits.
A technical article on the different limits (on a Silverstone example) would do well on the channel - showing different situations where the tyres go beyond the limit of grip, and how to appropriately load the corners of the car through a corner, for the desired outcome.
You have to wonder what those giving thumbs down are expecting.... perhaps a "Martha Stewart's Cooking School" video?
Just recently got a wheel and pedal set up . And man I do everything you explained not to do! Lol I’m getting into iracing and other sims as well. One thing I will say to anyone getting into it is done use the race line! It helps at first to go faster but it makes me stare right up close and not learn breaking points! I wish I never used it it’s hard to relearn already
Great video
Great video
Maybe it's just me with this experience but I notice each time I feel like I've gone awfully slow in my sessions those are always my fastest laps. The quickest laps always from inside the car always feel the slowest.
Scott, you're naturally a very talented driver and a great tutor. What would be your advice to someone who gets lapped in a 20min race in a spec kart in their first season? Do you think they can get better/competitive with confidence and experience or would you simply tell them to give up? Because someone I know was told to find something else to do, which seems not only harsh but too soon to judge. Great vids btw.
I completely follow what you're saying and understand the balance of the platform. However, when I see drivers in onboard cameras, they always appear to be jerking the wheel through the entire corner.
Wish you had a video library to draw from - thank you.
On SIM I tend to struggle with slow, long, > 90 degree corners. Understeer is kicking in and any racing line seems wrong
Understeer generally means the mid point of the turn is later than you think. It could be due to you just having the angles wrong, or because the corner is not symmetrical (changing radius).
So make sure you understand track geometry correctly! Watch a replay from static top down position, determine where exactly is the apex and where is the half point of the turn (usually very close) and then "walk the track" using free camera to get reference points. So that you can look ahead and see how much of entry or exit is left to do.
You can also drive the corner at parking lot pace or, since it's a sim, drive it in reverse - it can be real eye opener to track geometry sometimes.
When creating references try to use features close to relevant track limits like the kerbing and make sure you create enough of them to be able to use Scotts advice to look far enough ahead.
Also when the track is purpose built, often there is a feature on kerbs distinguishing the apex that you can look for. Thou sometimes kerbing can be deceiving, often when the corner radius is changing a lot, where you will need to construct an imaginary line to follow. And if it's really blind corner try using far away trees.
The limit is a very fine line drawn with a crayon.
Great content. What are your thoughts about “risk”/reward of fast corners vs slower corners. I personally feel more confident pushing hard on slower corners, not so happy with high speed corners (e.g. Schwedenkreuz at Nordschleife), and not sure I loose much time traveling though such a corner at say 170kph vs. 190kph, the time you need to get through is rather short anyway.
I look at the braking point then the apex im going to try this when im sim racing or karting next
TY Great!
TY Great!
My dad: what do you want to be when your older
Me: driver 61s best student
Sometimes I have glipses of a corner well taken, the brain instantaneously goes like alright that was nice...
Hi, happy new year, best wishes for 2020. I have a problem on track days: I see the line, the apex than checking all 3 mirrors than to late for proper braking than turning to the apex. I always afraid that someone can go inside when I go to a out-in-out. Any advice? Thanks.
I'm wondering if you do any work with dirt track racing or know someone I can go to to get this kind of information. Thanks
Take notes of your improvements in the Racetrack Coach App! 😎👍💯
I use used slicks in my track days, so its hard to find theyr limit because they have alot more grip. And theres one turn that i still dont have "courage" to try it in full throtle. Depending on the speed im carrying, i either need to brake a bit or just to lift the throtle
if you dont look at a braking marker, how do you remember when to brake, distance from the apex?
another amazing video. Can you make a video about the financial aspects of the racing career? not everyone can become f1 drivers and be millionaires, so how do average folks get into the racing career?
Hard to say. Maybe hang out at the track, volunteer to help on a team. Work your way up?
So if every corner I go through my tires are screaming does that mean I'm at the limit? I haven't tried moving my steering wheel back and forth yet. I'm smooth I do love pushing passed the tires grip but not to drift the car. I'm very interested in your teachings Obiwan!
Hey, Scott can you go over rhythm? I’ve read and heard many times about rhythm but no one ever goes deep into it. I have like a small understanding of what the drivers mean but not the whole gist.
One thing i never understood: How do you know at all how fast you can take corners? If your car goes from being stable to over/understeer very quickly, there's no way of just trying out. I've been driving performance cars for a decade now and still have no clue, what the limit of my car/tyres is in fast corners. Slow corners (of max 80kmh) are perfectly fine for me.. but anything faster, I just don't 'feel' it anymore.. any tips?
I believe I can
Yes, yes very good advice Scott. Would you suggest starting slowly and building up towards a fast lap?
Certainly would. Conscious progression is the way to get there within 10 laps.
@@Driver61 I've learnt some really bad habits so that's 100 laps for me
Mick Lapworth
I am interested in those bad habits. Could you say more about them please? Thanks man.
@Giovanni V basically poor footwork. I used to think to brake press the pedal and to go faster press the pedal and to be faster do it harder and quicker. Now I know there is more to this driving faster lark.
what sim game is in the video?
What does dabbing a corner mean?
Yeah my car is capable of going flat from 10b through 12 at Road Atlanta, but I crest the scary hill at 11, look down the steep hill, and “NOPE, don’t want to die today!”
@Michael W The old Bryar had a turn like that at the top of the hill. A left hander with a slope on the outside that IIRC had no barrier. In my FC Brabham it was about 120 mph or so taken in a slight stable drift. Total fun! Ah the good old days of concrete tires with little grip. My ice racing experience served me well on that corner for sure.
-dave
correct if i'm wrong, but wouldn't a gentle dab on the breaks help the car rotate more during a corner if a car is generally understeery?
Doing this in a corner will upset the balance of the car. Trailing braking into specific corners is the only time you'd want brake application after turn in. For rear wheel drive cars, throttle application is more applicable for rotation. For example, take a half full water bottle and hold it perfectly horizontal. Note the water distribution is perfectly level. Now tip it forward so the cap is slightly down. The cap is the front of your car and the bottom of the bottle is the rear. This is what happens to the balance of the car when applying brakes while cornering. The more brake pressure the further forward the water/weight is. Now with it still tilted forward, snap the bottle back to level and watch what happens the water inside. Weight transfer to the back and all the extra grip you had on the front tires is now gone. Hopefully that helps explain
@@ayarm9 very well visualized, now i can finally explain it to my gf
New drinking game.
Every time Scott says ( and you followed his advice ) "As smooth as possible", take a drink on the podium.
Did you say
P O D I U M
Started doubting my brakes after they failed on me
mistake you're making is not going fast enough for the part of your brain saying you're about to crash in your totally are about to crash but you know what you need to go faster
Can I ask you a favor and critique a track day video of mine? Just curious about your thoughts on it
I think I am a great driver, who doesnt.....But my lap times took off
when I pited, and the tire changer was able to get off the grill....
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast
No
When in doubt, gas it out.
Worst thing that can happen in Fast corners - A understeer
or over steer when the rear loses grip....??
@@charliebesley1543 : Oversteer can happen in slow to medium corners but there are very high chances of understeer in Fast corners because of less weight in front..
Umm NO 😂
What?
Nathan Carbo I don’t want to be brave 😂👍🏻