7 Biggest Track Driving Mistakes
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- čas přidán 10. 06. 2024
- Are driving your track car at the limit? Is the limit really the limit? In this video Driver61 founder Scott Mansell explains the biggest mistakes he finds when coaching over 100 drivers per year.
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This has only made my Uber rating worse.
What! Your trips don't like to get to where they're going in a timely fashion? :D
Ahaha
That shows that you need to improve and get even faster to get the 5 stars
But what about your irating?
Watching at 2x speed, to use the absolute limit, by developing the setup, and being efficient!
Lmao same
Extra tip is to play with a wheel instead of a controller 👨💻
I believe what prevents me and some others from finding the ultimate edge is $$$$$$$$... Wrecking and ruining the car or getting a big fat bill in the mail for breaking part of the racetrack slows me a bit...
You took the words right out of my mouth.
I’d push harder. As well
I usually pick hard on the slow corners but
I would NEVER try and find the limit in a fast corner
My local track has a really fast corner it’s after a near 500-600m long straight.
So it’s super fast.
As long as I'm driving around in roughly 10k worth of car I can't hoon it like a rented go-kart. For track driving I really need a cheap car that i'm not afraid to damage or crash
Sim racing solves that
@@hellomihai Not really, its a different skillset
Too bad there's no restart in real life
These videos are really good. I see you've been doing some iRacing, and that's primarily where I race. You talk about developing the car's setup, it'd be great if you could give some pointers on what behaviours you're watching for during the lap and how you'd adjust the setup to give you more grip. I typically use pre-made setups for a track because I don't have the knowledge to know where I should start when a car is oversteering in a fast corner, or understeering in a slow corner etc. Thanks for the videos!
In iRacing if you just throw out how things work in the real world and understand what does what in the sim you can go from there.
Wing/rear ride height = horizontal grip & braking
Dampers = fine tuning weight transfer and hs for speed the car reacts + Kerb Response
Toe = rear stability and turn in rate
Camber = controls rotation
Diff = controls rotation and throttle response
Brake pads = entry stability and brake performance
Arb = entry and exit rotation
Rear ride height = mid corner rotation
Front ride height = downforce %
Caster = car steer reaction speed
Overall you want the front as low as possible, wing as low as possible without risking horizontal grip, rear ride height to balance the mid corner, front arb to control body roll, rear arb to make up for front arb, and toe to where you get enough Turn in rotation without rear instability and unnecessary tire heat and wear
Scott, do you have a video on setup procedure/process? I'd love one for Simracing. Love the channel. Regards, Chris
Scott Mansell you are a blessing, i enjoy myself in sim racing and all this knowledge is just pure gold for someone who wants to improve! Keep it up!!!!
Absolutely YES. Pure Gold i can agree
now if only i can get out of newfoundland to get my brz around a proper track! then i can finally use your videos to help me practice! great work as always!
Absolutely brilliant; every sentence is so valuable and applicable to my own journey...I wish I would of had exposure to this wisdom when I started such journey! Cheers Scott!
The ULTIMATE lesson if you want to be nr.1 -Be fearless.
When I was racing motorcycles,I learned to get the feel of the limit on worn tires. Then put on fresh tires and picked up the pace to where it would get a smooth slide. Also agree about learning setup, and what to change to fix problems at different tracks.
Use of track time, thats key! Thank you again!
thank you for everything i learnd from you
Great tips
I used to spend a lot of time go karting as a kid (I had just a basic single speed gas powered kart) but my friends used to always look at me weird for purposefully trying to lose control early on so I knew what it felt like in different conditions. "Told you so" 😂
I’m at the limit (lapping consistently within a couple of tenths), but 2 to 3 (or more) seconds off the pace globally in F1 2019. Chasing setup, chasing my down-track vision, chasing my breaking points. I keep telling myself it’s a journey, not a destination. Then do another 100 laps.
Well, it might have taken them hudrends of laps to get to that level. Secondly, there is always a bit of space in setup to be adjusted- usually, when I feel like the car is very easy to drive, I am pushing hard but the times are not there, I stiffer the rear differential.
Clearly then, you are nowhere near the limit. You are just lapping consistently slow. Most probably making the same mistakes every lap
ravey1981 I completely agree. Probably why I’m watching Mr. Mansell’s videos.
Radko Černohous I will take your suggestion on the diff. Thank you.
Just stop driving a williams
Great video
I've just found these video's and I think they are great. I've been karting and racing motorbikes for years. Although I've achieved wins, and decent results I've always felt like there was more time to achieve. I'm hoping by watching these videos I'll understand where some of that lap time can be found! In particular, I'm very aware that in many practice sessions my quickest lap comes in the first 6 or 7 laps. I'm often unable to beat that time throughout most of the rest of the session. I'm sure it comes through "over driving" although I intend to revisit my trail braking techniques as I often suffer from under steer. Thanks for the great guides!
Nice vid man👍
fantástico canal, muy buenas explicaciones, felicitaciones
Great video, you are totally right you have to test the limits to understand them, the main reason as a teenager I crashed pretty much every vehicle I could put my hands on after having people saying oh he does it pretty well no problem!
Thank you so much for this video.
Much to learn ... I still have. :-)
I clicked, enjoyed the intro. Then you explained point 1 and I immediately knew that was me. Been thinking about this all morning and tried a test practise. I know my car. I know the sounds by know. Assetto Corsa Competezione is good that way. Get on the limit and feel comfortable doing so. Go!
Friend came over a bit later. I drove a 20m race with AI 90 and completed it without feeling outraced. Felt I had more. Just did 2x20m qual for a sprint weekend and found 10th's of seconds on every corner for every lap - I felt like I was in the zone! The occasional error always brought me back ;)
Can't wait to see what the 2nd track driving mistake is. For now I'm having too much fun getting to grips with correcting the first one. Man this racing is fun. Thank you Scott.
I feel it, I love driving older cars it helps me hit throttle.. bounce bounce hit marks ..
Being what I consider to be an experienced racer, this channel has taught me to be comfortable on the edge in a full-sim racing game like project cars. that game has kicked my ass until now
Cool. Thanks!
So you think it's better to overdrive it first and then bring it down a notch? I always saw this as a "sim-racing only" technique, but then I guess with circuits being more forgiving thanks to tarmac run-off areas etc. you can afford to do that more these days...
Old Racing Games i mostly find the sim driving technique for reaching ultimate pace was build up of pace not instant 100%. For sims that seems to be the best way to find pace in any unknown car/track combo
Balance is so important
These are good videos, Scott. As an amateur racing enthusiast, I really appreciate the information you present. I am 40, and recently got into a Camaro 1LE. My wife and I are trying to make more track days in the future, and every little bit helps me. Too many people playing video games these days..... Love and respect from Texas. 💙💪🏻🤓
Exactly my issue in particular at tracks I don’t know that well, this weighs massively on my confidence. Not so much of an issue on tracks I have done several hundreds of laps... Any thoughts on that aspect?
As long as the braking power down to the surface is higher than the engine power down to the surface it is more important to get the exit perfectly right than the brake-turn in. Thus, I would say that the most common mistake is going too fast in and loosing in exit. In braking zone you can only win so much but a higher exit speed gives you an advantage also on the following straight until saturation speed is achieved. And this is amplified in low grip situations.
Not being a driving instructor but a vehicle dynamicist I would say that there usually is difference between inexperienced drivers and experienced drivers: The latter are super smooth with very little extra motion in everything. For the the really good drivers everything seems so effortless almost like sitting on a sofa watching TV. You need either born talent or good routine or both.
Ive looked many of the Rob Wilson vids and his “flat car” technique appears to me something between trailing and straight braking: Initial part is preloading the tyre sideways during the initial or even before braking and the second part is the actual rotation at the slowest part - while trying to make the corner “short”. Im now sure Peter Windsor learned that expression from Rob.
Im convinced that mathematically-theoretically the optimum is a perfectly continuous performance - which probably is never an option in reality e.g. because of ltd number of ratios, compromised engine power curve, brake efficiency due to dynamic temperature, fixed brake bias etc.
I hear people saying that Jenson Button was so smooth and used less rubber and tyres more efficiently than others. Ive never heard anyone tell how he did it. Do you have an idea?
Jarno Trulli was very fast on one lap but in races he quickly became the “locomotive” pulling a train of cars. His race engineer once said that he had an understeer inducing style. I guess that is a bit like Alonso in in the Benetton era. But Alonso got the tyrs last while Trulli lost the performance of the tyres quickly.
Can you please do a separate video about 4 point? How to make less mistakes.
The limit of our 9 ton truck is when it has to go from a stand still on a gravel road half way uphill.
say you're at the end of a straight, is it quicker to slam on brakes to the point where you slide? or push brakes as hard as you can without locking wheels
Something I’ve noticed is it’s almost like. A Seesaw. You break at the right time, 2 kilometres faster than your challenger on the exit turns into a full 20 by the next corner.
Just quietly, are you any of the stigs? or at least related to ben collins. kidding love the channel mate.
I nearly struggle with all this Points 😅
That's why it takes years and years to get good. Im awful too, but I'm still gonna keep digging at it lol.
Mario Andretti said famously: “If you feel everything is in control you are not going fast enough.”
A big part of number 7 is trust in your opponent. You have to assess that on the fly based on previous actions they've taken, if you're able to notice, at least.
Nice vid but I don't understand why it is that I do all 7 things perfect, but I still am not champion... damn it....
:) Nic vid, would love some coaching sometime - do you do remote coaching and more importanly is it even viable? thx!
Merry Christmas! What a nice holiday gift!
that limit ur talking about has a price tire wear
I wonder that is how many of your viewers are real life racer or sim racer. Can you make a survey?
8. Crashing.
Ah yes dying, the ultimate driving mistake
Driving off the track and hitting the barriers is quite big mistake. 🤔
7? I have 2 for you:
1. Be as fast as possible
2. Don't die
Also Scott, I've always wondered if you're frequently mistaken for Nigels kinfolk and if you get special treatment under that misassumption - haha I said 'kinfolk' like a rube
Can you talk about driver talent?
Troy Smith talent is for pops stars, actors and tap dancers, sports people have skills which is finely honed technique coming from hours of practice. Please read Matthew Syeds Bol bounce for more very interesting detail.
billyboy205gti So you say Lewis Hamilton do not have talent?
@@erlendbanken6517 he has skill and experience. talent implies you are born with it, or don't have to try to get it. Skill is earned.
billyboy205gti Jim Clarke didn’t even drive a race car, or car I can’t remember, until he was 23 I think,and he has the most championships statistically
So obviously he has talent
4:00 yellow flags? wtf are those for????
can I say "under-braking" before starting to watch the video? or is it just me...
This is all hard to do when youre using a controller instead of a wheel like me eh
Show more of the laps and less of yourself. Good videos and good info
I mean, sure sure that's all valid Intel but it's also common sensical and any driver that isn't hunting for that limit and then taking steps via setup or driver input adaptations, in my opinion and experience, isn't really a driver's driver - and I say this because they often lack an element that can't be learned so, well - anyway ty nonetheless
conspiracy theory:this guy is related to nigel mansell
Trivia: Scott Mansell has a PERSONAL page on www.wikipedia.org! 8D
Yes, most champions tend to have that
this bruh's professional status is questionable tho
So I looked this guy up he has only won one EuroBOSS championship in 2004 that's it.
Your point is?
@@SergejGrabun that he might not be qualified enough to give these tips
@@hansdietrich83 finishing 2-5th or winning loads of races does not mean his racing knowledge is not above 90% of users who watch these videos. If you do not believe his experience is enough for your skill level you can find better ones. He is not asking money for his advises here, so I think it's all very fair and good value for all of viewers.
Now, if someone who is already good, goes to him, pays money and does not get impromenets in return - then it's different story, but i strongly doubt that can happen.
Thanks for your concern! We actually run the world's most comprehensive driver training programmes, working with over 120 drivers per year. I also have a book out in early 2020 about how to extract the most from a racing car. Plus 15 years and hundreds of thousands of miles coaching experience... I think I can make a little CZcams video about the mistakes I commonly see.
Oh, I won two EuroBOSS championships too, not one... And some others that you must have missed when googling me. I'm comfortable that developing and racing more than 100 cars, including 25 F1 cars qualifies me to give advice.
I hope that is sufficient for you...
I don’t think anyone that’s an actual race car driver using this guys vids for help it’s the most obvious shit and I’m not even a race car driver (now I know I’m good at driving compared to the people around me so I might know a lil more then the average person but a real racer knows this shit and one of the first things he said was not being able to feel the car and when it’s gonna have grip like wtf I thought everyone can feel that shit if you can’t den you shouldn’t be racing)
Concluding that... biggest mistake is being bad driver.