How to Find SECONDS Next Time on Track
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- čas přidán 2. 02. 2020
- One of the areas drivers can find massive lap time in is during the corner entry phase. Driver61 founder, Scott Mansell explains how to find more time on the way into a corner.
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This! This is *exactly* what I need to work on to progress as a (sim) racer. Thank you! I've been comparing telemetry with other drivers, and this is the big one. Even as a sim racer, it takes some courage to go faster than what I think/feel is possible, especially in a car with a lot of downforce. I have been working on the vision part, and it certainly helps, although I need to work on it more. Keep up the good work!
thanks for making these videos Scott. Its easy to get lost in the "I am at the limit feeling" and it needs some rethinking about what you are actually doing instead of repeating it over and over again. I also think this is important for any driver at any level.
Gotta admit, I’ve been trying this on my modest home sim. It isn’t easy and certainly needs a lot of practice.
Yes I agree Patrick thinking about your pedal action while driving takes concentration and I don't even use the clutch, but I keep trying
@@aperturescience2 Try not to think about the pedals, your feet already know what to do there, try to think about the way the car is moving and how the brakes effect that.
This is the real shit. This guy has given me seconds, not tenths on AC.
"Harsh initial steering input, poor brake profile, and too violent on the throttle."
You know me too well.
Hahaha! The take away from that quote is; Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
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but on a serious note great vid
That last tip was so crucial for me improving my lap times as a beginner in karting. I kept feeling like I was on the limit, not realizing I could actually take corners faster if I let up on the pressure when trail braking. Finding that balance of using just enough brake to induce a bit of rotation to get through a corner helped me shave off so much time.
these videos got me from constant p10 - p15 .. to constant p1-p5 ... ty mate.
Great Tips, a good professional advice!
Keep it up Scott we love what you do!
thank you Scott, one of the most helpful videos yet!
Love the vids Scott, good stuff
Cheers Dano
The more I learn about driving fast, the more I enjoy Scott's videos. The theory makes total sense but it's hard for us mere mortals to put into practice.
As always of your comprehensive and rich videos mate. Thank you.
Thanks Scott, great advice and well explained!
Correct trail breaking technique is critical to exit speed outcomes.
These are all good points you raise, thanks for sharing. I need to enter faster, smoother, then I push through the entry oversteer limit, must keep that in mind when on track next.
All great tips that have helped a lot thanks. I find Autódromo José Carlos Interlagos and Phillip Island are great for practicing trail braking on iRacing with the F3, skip barber or even Ford Spec Racer. Especially Ford spec racer wildly over or understeers if the platform is not stable and you can really find the point of breakaway on the rear to help give useful oversteer.
Thanks for continually putting out top notch videos.
5:04 is that Donington with a Silverstone map? :)
Thank you! Great information 🙌
The vision part was crucial for me. I actually worked this out by myself from learning to drive in real life. My instructor would always tell me to look into corners more instead of in front of me. I realised when I was sim racing I would kind of zone out and focus on my car opposed to the corner and track. I'm constantly fighting with myself, almost like I'm wake myself up to make sure I'm scanning the track relative to my car. This has helped me not only take corners cleaner and faster but has given me a more intuitive sense of speed and where to brake!
I have never driven a real race car or been on a track, I only play simracing, so for me this is valuable stuff to know and be aware of. Thank you for taking your time to make this video. From Denmark, Jakob.
Awesome video, we tend to get caught up in the heat of the moment and drive in a sloppy fashion instead of being in full control
Awesome vid will apply some of those tips
very informative as always 👍
I suppose it's a testament to the quality of sims that a "driver" still feels reluctant to ease up on the brakes when encountering rear end oversteer. I will attempt to put these lessons into practice and see if I can find a little extra speed. Thank you, extremely informative and very understandable information.
I love your tutorials. Instead of the standard, do this here, don't do this, because weight transfer, etc., you actually explain the mind traps we put ourselves in and tell us how to think. And when you do discuss things like weight transfer, you explain it in an understandable, approachable way.
I watched your video on trail-braking tips, and I understand trailbraking now. I must have re-read my driver's ed books a dozen times and never made sense of it. Now I don't understand how they made it so indecipherable.
Fantastic advice as usual Scott!
Thank you!
Me, several seconds a lap slower than the lead car in online sims:
Yes, win championships!
Brilliant breakdown!
Cheers Barry
I take a lot from this video, thank you 👍
Not only the balance changes a lot but due to the curve of grip X normal load on a tire, when you have a weight transfer, the wheel having more load gains less grip than the grip loss on the tire that lost some load. So less transfer means more grip, smooth is key, also more controllable
Hello Scott , I find your presentation and video topics so Interesting and well done, thank you for making these. Are you much of a sim racer yourself? Would you say formula 3 racing is on the easier or harder end of the scale for becoming a good racer
Great reminder video. Such a good summary of the subject. What track were the MX5 videos taken at? Sea and mountains in the background look fantastic.
Anglesey I think?
Awesome vid
👍👍👍Very useful,thx!
We race on hillclimb and sometimes its hard to predict the corners especially when there's some changes on the pavement. But thanks for the video that's a good info. Sometimes i brake to early.
awesome video
I've personally found out that breaking a bit less hard is easier than breaking later: you can do it with more confidence as you've got that small margin for error
You'll still be losing time doing that though, as you're spending longer in the braking zone to slow to X speed through the corner, rather than braking later (and thus being on the throttle longer on the previous straight) to reach that same speed through the corner. The confidence in braking later but just as hard comes with seat time and practice.
@@anthonylineberry You're right of course but it's in my opinion a good first step, easier to take than braking later
@@anthonylineberry well I think it's a step towards being confident with late braking. Besides, from my humble experience in simracing, I tend to gain more places by staying comfortable with the car and not dying and reap the rewards of people who go off-track and so on. Sure, I don't win many races but at least I can finish them!
Sounds like its easier to just develop a software that can calculate the optimal racing line, braking point, the force applied to brake and throttle, and the speed you should carry before the corner, while in the corner and after the corner... And also the steer angle, but I think that would be taken in racing line.
Then try replicate in your racing simulator... lol?
@@tarnishedpose Kinda takes away from the fun tho, doesnt it??
We need more videos Scott
Donut media recommend this channel and I see why.....it great
This is IT. I have been pretty quick on every track/car I have used in Sim racing. I could get within 1-1.5% of the top tier drivers. Jumped in my rig after watching this and IMMEDIATELY felt the difference. My trail braking was more like moderate braking and once I let off a little more, more speed could be carried through the corner and the tenths started dropping off. Your videos have helped immensely, especially the one on vision. Can’t thank you enough.
great video, now I know why I keep spinning out when turning in to a corner. Im asking to much of the car, making it still brake and turn in the same time. I mess the balance up so much. Thanks alot
Found this after watching Max's almost pole lap in Saudi Arabia. Dude was literally on fire, hugging the walls at each corner, gaining time against Lewis, and was doing so well until the last corner just because of a small lock up :/
Had the same problem, because i overrated trailbraking, and overdid it. Very often you can ease of the breakes much earlier to be neutral in the corner with more speed.
Cars with much understeer can be driven with more trailbraking.
Scott. You fucking legend!
Maybe this is more for the Sim channel but I would find a video on tire management to be helpful. I recently learned that I have a poor understanding of how to manage tire wear and temp or how to remedy the issue once I feel the tires wearing out or getting too hot. I realized this while doing oval racing where these skills are very important over a long run. After a few laps in iRacing's K&N National car at Atlanta Motor Speedway, I found that I was able to qualify very quickly. When it came time to race, I was fast for a few laps and the the car became incredibly tight and would push up the track. I needed to arc in to the corner more and that seemed to help.
In road racing, is there a difference between the lines you run for qualifying and racing like in oval racing?
it depends, because in road racing as in oval you have many lines, most of people tend to use their qualy lines instead of try another lines, and basically thats the reason many people tend to crash in the first laps, but as well as in oval you can not always use your qualy lines.
Oversteer limit is something I have to work with. Noticed these days that if I breake smoother on T3, 6, 7 and 8 of brands hatch, the car goes faster and easier, just now it makes sense.
My in game lap time on Nurburgring
Before - 9mins 55 secs
After watching his ten vids
8 mins 40 secs
Hi @driver61 let’s say brands hatch first corner and talking about oversteer on entry with the front diving too much could brake bias also help with that weight on the rear ?
I understood that a balance is as famous on a track as a traectory.
By the way when people argue about what is more famous I think that this is just not a constant value. And depends on situation and can change in a real time. When a traectory is more or less normal a balance becomes more famous.
So as F1 drivers ride so ideal that the main difference of results depends on bolide.
Very cool
Great videos, Scott!
Consider making a video that discusses Sim and real driver ergonomics and how to get your seat, pedals, and steering wheels aligned properly for the maximum benefit of going faster. There are bits and pieces scattered around the internet but no definitive guide or how-to. Pedal height to seat height, distance to the steering wheel, the distance of seat front to pedals, etc. Since most sim racers are in a GT3 seating position it would be best to start there since F1 is totally different? Thanks, Scott!
Follow up with a different question: at 6:33 of the video, at Silverstone last week I struggled with those two turns in iRacing using the F3. I was using Suellio's setup. I wasn't sure if it was a brake bias issue, braking in a straight line required, or an improper turn-in line on my part. My second time at Silverstone since back in iRacing and I dread that turn. It just doesn't make sense to me.
Laughing to myself cause your pointing out things I've noticed but couldn't explain it in my head lol thanks
can you please make a video talking about 4 wheel drifting (not 4wd drifting :P) i wanna learn more about it since i adopted this driving style in my racing sims and i think you are the right person to refer to
Nice 👍🏻
Great information. Do you teach anything like a distant stare. That is looking out and staring at an undefined point to allow a more open perception of the environment. It’s a technique used by completion aerobatic pilots, taught by John Morrissey.
I notice that tends to help, as long as you can avoid tunnel vision or gauge-eye. It's always better to look out toward your apex than let your vision black out further than 10m away from the car.
Tip 1 rumble strips are a danger point when located at max g in a corner
ie the Nürburgring
does this apply to sim racing as well?
Excellent guide scott am doing a f12019 career mode at the min with my logitech g920 wheel set, had a few months now trying to get used to the realism effects , and on there in the practice programme with the track acclimatisation where you go through the gates, i dont find that particularly helpful as it just test how fast your going through them, so with this video i will take them points you made and in cooperate that into my driving with the game,Also trying to get used to the braking as well not trying to lock up all the time which can be difficult because with this wheel set you get a stupid spongy thing in the brake pedal which sometimes doesnt respond and sticks, Also my race starts arnt that great as i end up over revving sometimes and spin out on the start line, Last note to dont know if you have played recent f1 games but trying to manage your fuel and ers is not an easy task at all, especially when the d pad on the wheel can be a bit flimsy at times when your trying to switch the modes at speed
Should've watched this one before asking my dumb question about changing brake bias for more rear end grip..
Love that gulag backdrop
Also scott i know your a real racer where i do with the sim, so what wheel set would say is best to upgrade to next particularly to race with the f1 games as eventually i want to give the league racing ago ?
Tbh, your setup should not really matter when you're starting. I recommend to get either of the Logitech G25/27 or G29. They're fairly inexpensive, and it's a 280mm steering wheel diameter which I think is enough for open-wheelers. If you feel like you need to upgrade, invest in some load cell brakes or simply buy another set with one.
@@KookiDowg Ok ill have a look at them, like i said i already have a logitech g920 wheel set with pedals, but eventually i want to look at maybe getting a fanatec wheel set that the esports drivers use for f1 not sure which version to go with though, to get that realistic feeling with the f1 games
3:20 all great stuff.. but shouldn't the driver be picking a braking point reference that is in their line of sight to the turn apex? .. using peripheral or sighting to a reference on the fence as shown, would be very distractive to visualizing the driving line and sighting the turn apex. Personally, I always pick a reference on the track itself, a paint line defect, a crack repair, etc.. then I can always see the Apex and never take my eyes off the driving line.
Lastly, braking later and later .. for me .. usually ends with an "oh shit" off-road experience .. any suggestions on how to sense that limit better without going off track, crashing or losing positions?
One of Alonso´s engineer said that he consistently travels less meters in a lap than his rivals, therefore shortening the circuit length. It is one of the main reasons he is so fast
The question is: Is the shortest way around the track faster or the one that allows you to carry the most speed? What about tire wear?
Is it ok to practice on controller I don't have wheel?
Basic actions are the same. You just perform then by different control method. Lack of force feedback could be an issue (like lack of g-forces is an issue for a simracer)
The last tip Ive just figured out, once I lowered the rake of the car by lowering the rear I finally understood it was the rear
Nice one
Good vids Scott but would be good to use GT or closed sports cars in your videos instead of Radicals as those vehicles are a different kettle of fish altogether...
People watching Driver61 videos: 80,000 racing game players. 20,000 with some SIM gear. 1,000 real life racers.
shaved off 2 seconds off my lap time with these tips
Can you make a video of racing in the rain? Tia
There are already a few
Great content, but I am not sure if click bait title is necessary.
Maybe easy isn't the right word
Might not be EASY but this advice is definitely worth many SECONDS.
Clickbait? Disagree as this was absolutely true for me. Within 10 minutes of watching this video, I knocked 1.5 seconds off a lap around Bathurst on iRacing in a GTE car to get under 2:00. A few more laps and i can easily see another half second.
how do i teach my completely inexperienced friends how to drive better? i'm not a good driver, but i can hit decent lap times, how do i help my friends?
What about the "on / off throttle " technique , especially when you have less grip in a corner , or suffer from understeer mid corner? You always say the same thing in your video's like tailbraking. Would also like to see some simracing footage from yourself. Keep up the good work.
you will be surprised that trail braking is where most of the drivers fail as well as the vision, its basics but most of drivers fail, as well as the speed in the apex, it can cost you seconds or ess than a second which means you will lose a race or a posibility to overtake.
Im focused on finding the max angular velocity i can get out of each car.
Im focused on finding the maximum amounts of G's i can get in each barrier.
@@snowjix me too fam
Ah yes now i can get faster times in mario kart
how about Driver69
I'm going on a big game sims hunt. Have straw, popcorn and sim pistol to shoot mice sized elephants, wish me luck 😐😐
first part, he is telling basically don't do like schumy or senna ...
maybe when senna style put more grip on the rear using the gas pedal.. but them the front gets "lighter" and he start switching between them ... while Schumy just get the curve little bit tight or not avoiding the loss of traction using the steering-wheel because the amount of force need to do a curve with different radius change.. just guessing. If it makes any sense please let me know ...
Over thinking makes you slow
Interesting and informative video. Jesus loves you all and trully provides his hope, love, joy and peace. God bless you all.
None of it worked. I guess it's time to try it in a vehicle
That oversteer clip is unfair. Brands T1 is the easiest possible place in the world to oversteer, off camber high speed. Come on
Thanks the police won't stand a chance now
What kind of goof ball gives this vid a thumbs down..
I know...
just drive faster lol
That last tip was so crucial for me improving my lap times as a beginner in karting. I kept feeling like I was on the limit, not realizing I could actually take corners faster if I let up on the pressure when trail braking. Finding that balance of using just enough brake to induce a bit of rotation to get through a corner helped me shave off so much time.