Why Suns MUST trade Kevin Durant after getting swept by Timberwolves | Hoops Tonight
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- Jason Timpf and the guys over at @Nerd_Sesh debate what’s next for the Phoenix Suns after getting swept by Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves. The guys all agree that the Suns MUST trade one of their superstars, and at age 35, Kevin Durant looks to be the easiest option to move. No longer can he be the BEST player on a championship team, and the Suns need depth in the worst of ways. Having a big three of Devin Booker, Kevin Durant, and Bradley Beal was a disaster from the start, as the strengths in their games are too similar, leaving them shorthanded everywhere else. Who would you trade away from the Phoenix Suns this offseason?
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Every time Jason has guest on and he’s listening to them talk. He’s got those serial killer eyes locked in
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That’s him fantasizing about lebron layup
hahahaha yes
to be fair you can tell when they sau some shit he dont agree with
Hahaha 😂
9:01 Major missed opportunity to say the “the Suns are setting”.
Step your game up
Cringe
@@steve13191 you’re cringe
Lmfao
Nobody likes @steve13191.
So basically “hey Orlando,want to mess up your chemistry like we did ? Give us three players for one guy lol
Right, in what world does Orlando make that trade after seeing Brooklyn do this exact same thing 😂
OVERRATED guy
It’s a little different, Orlando’s 3 starts would be much more complimentary. Fran’z could be a playmaker who is a good mismatch attacker due to size and skill. Paulo can be the downhill force can be a matchup nightmare. Then you got one of the best 3level scorers in booker who can close games in the playoffs. Orlando would be scary with that trade.
Trading for superstar talent isn’t what messes up chemistry. It’s much more complicated than that
@@carboy101Orlando would make that trade in a heartbeat, I promise you.
KD averaged 26 off 55/41/82 splits and he was a solid defender but not much outside of him.
Love JT's idea to trade Book- it is there only hope. How bout Knicks- I Hart- McBride- Randle and six 1sts.
Did u just say KD was a solid defender in these playoffs?! KD ranked 187th of 199 players in defensive rating. That’s bottom 6% of the league. That’s solid to u? Hell Lebron’s the oldest player in the league and was still playing better defense than that. He ranked 129 of 199 players, bottom 35% (yeah that’s bad but still better than KD’s bottom 6% u said was solid) 😂
There’s no way Kevin Durant is getting traded again ALREADY. RIGHT?
He GONE!
I would love to see him back in the bay
@@BigTrill007why go for 35 out of phoenix when you can go for 34 out of Milwaukee 😎
KD is now a corner guy. He ain't that man anymore
@@jixyana2145A corner guy what?!! The man average 28,7 & 5 this year. That’s super stars numbers
Also while I'm on it, as bad as CP3's contract was, which it was, at absolute bare minimum, CP3 is at least a dog. He's still got that fight. A lack of fight from CP3 from the Warriors wasn't the Warriors' issue this year.
It was Klay being washed, Draymond's suspension, and to some extent, the Warriors core being complacent with what they've already accomplished.
The Devin Booker part about being the best player on a championship team.... I've been saying this for years. He has all the talent in the world to be that guy from the shoulders down. But above the shoulders, he's really just not that guy. He's either no emotions or stupid emotions.
Booker has been overrated from day 1. People overrate his skill. He’s a great mid range shooter which is the worst way to get a bucket in the modern nba. He’s not elite at anything else. Booker is an overpaid Lou
Williams
@@tommartyn524 Do you see that roster ? Don’t blame Book
Hes fav player is Kobe.
Like PGs, Kyries, etcs.
All losers or headcases
@@tommartyn524lol relax he was historically good last year playoffs and 2021 run he was a legit number one scoring option on a championship team…. The front office screwed him over
Booker needed a healthy CP3 and he would have a ring already.
Love all 3 of you together. Very interesting takes on these teams. 👏
Kd was best suns player in series and it wasn't close
No he wasn’t u don’t know ball
6:39 FACTS. The Beal trade wasn’t the issue. The KD trade is what destroyed our franchise
No way Orlando gives up suggs he is literally the identity of the team
You would be surprised what a lot of teams would do for an all star player. I like teams that acquire most of talent while they are young though.
Owners will do some wild stuff to sell tickets and make money
Yeah. Teams should learn from the Nuggets/Ok and to an extent the Wolves. Don’t skip steps.
Identity on a team with a first round ceiling?
Lol have you seen the suns ceiling? Barley made the playoffs and Can't even win a single game@@zeus4885
I have a hard time seeing Orlando dismantling their team that has really great morale, coaching and chemistry for a possibility. They have many really good pieces - Orlando does need offense, but more importantly they need time.
I love when these 3 come together . NERD SESH solo is amazing to give my boys the credit! Both shows independently are amazing and together probably my fav!
KD was the most consistent guy this season and series against the wolves. Don’t know how he’s the fall guy 🤷🏼♂️
It's better for his career and Phx ruined their franchise with the beal trade, they have to blow it up
Bigger name . We talking about a top 15-20 hall of fame guy .
He really wasn’t him and book both averaged 27 during the season book just missed a few more games and book lead the team in scoring in the playoffs he’s the fall guy cause he’s 36 and book is 27 and in his prime
@@jalynjones9136 doesn’t that prove the point even more? Booker is in his prime and yet KD at 36 is matching him? Booker is the best player and should be outplaying him on all levels on this team especially in the playoffs.
Not KD's fault. It was Timberwolves defense. Easch woofie is responsible for one and a half players. They play as a unit. PHX only has 3 scorers. TW decided that KD was going to get his 30 anyway, so they harassed him, but focused on the other players. It was really 5 vs 2 or 5 vs 3. The future of the NBA
Great episode
Here’s a stat for you: Since 2021, Devin Booker has the most 45-point playoff games with 5. Nobody else has more than 3. I wouldn’t be so quick to shut down the idea of him being the best player on a championship team when he’s still just at the beginning of his prime. If the Suns can just bring in a competent PG so Book doesn’t have to carry the whole offense, then we could very well see him light it up on his way to a Finals run like he already showed he was capable of in 2021.
I said in this comment section months ago that the Suns were going absolutely nowhere. Noone wanted to believe me and I was insulted for even suggesting that idea. Who's laughing now? 😂 The Suns are cooked for the next decade or more. Someone also asked me if I would admit I was wrong when the Suns win a playoff series. I wonder where that person is now. I'd love to hear them admit they were wrong.
I don't think they can ever be a serious serious contender with Booker: he just doesn't have the right attitude, killer instinct and mental fortitude.
What if KD is still Captain America in the Olympics?
It clearly won’t be his team, this team is way too loaded compared to the team in Tokyo
Suns need to trade all 3. Blow it up, take the cap hits and 3-5 years from now you're in a great spot from draft picks and cap room. Worse thing in sports is mediocrity, losing and gain no draft picks or cap space.
Crazy was the best player on this team this year. By far the best defensive player and he led the team in points. Played the second most games.
Best defensive player but still bad defense...It's just the best they had... no rebounding either...
@@Otisdic That's not true, before the the All Star break, he was a shoe in for the All Defense team. He is an above average defender of his position. Yes he struggles with smaller more athletic players but he is also a 35 year old PF.
@SithLordCarterII lmfao, no he wasn't... he can defend decent only cause he's long but no, stop it...His defense and rebounding is not elite and no different than Book but he's 7 foot...
If you trade booker im pretty sure KD would ask for a trade.. at least with Booker theres the illusion of championship with parts abd beal you know your a 2nd round team at best
You have to trade KD and Booker and reset with as many assets as possible
This is the obvious answer. With the wealth of talent coming in these drafts why not stock up like CRAZY by trading both and raking in the 1rd picks?
@@Solo2121what drafts are you talkin about? This is the weakest draft class EVER
Warriors fans wouldn't give a damn about giving up Kuminga. Kuminga isn't beloved in the Bay like that....especially if it meant getting Durant back.
Durant needs to be at least the 4th most physical player in your rotation. He's number two currently.
If they run it back again they need to put Beal or KD with the 2nd unit crew then get a PG.. Booker is a volume shooter not a pg, KD & Beal are both scorers as well.
Put kd on second unit just shut up
@@preciouswalker1722 It'll never worked for the team coz this team's bench is going to suck again. Someone needs to carry the 2nd unit if they care about winning. This is not about demotion but rather winning. Beal is great but gets hurt a lot and also he can't share w/ Booker since they're both ball dominant/shooter. KD is still great but also getting older. Whoever it may be, someone has to sacrifice for the sake of winning.
When your three best players are shoot-first wings, who facilitates? Who rebounds? You can't win without a decent point guard
JK would be gone if warriors could lock in KD for a couple of years. He knows the a system and thrives in it. Warriors are in a win now mode, especially after Stephs closing interview. If the warriors have to give up JK then so be it, he's the one with the most trade value for a team looking to rebuild. Stephs untouchable.
Giving up JK isn't the issue. It's that there is no way to fit KD on the roster without going WAY over the aprons. And Lacob already said they will be under the apron and they kinda have to do it anyway or risk forfeiting picks in the future.
I agree with a lot of his points. But if it’s all inevitable no matter what, how bad would a large rebuild be?
I think KD should want to pair up with Wemby down in SA… someone will bite on joining Wemby and I don’t think Trae Young is the only one wanting a redemption arc.
Okc has the draft capital the suns need and kd would fit seamlessly in okc if I’m suns I’ll try making that call
Like the Orlando trade say it happens, suns make it round 2 . Kd is not happy and leaves then what you just leave the suns in rebuild mode. Just a lose lose situation. Run it back is the best scenario for the fans and the org
I kinda like the Booker as the tradable asset. Booker to San Antonio instead of Orlando. San Antonio has athletic young guys n lots of draft capital.
The problem with the Suns they wanted their best player in KD to reduce himself to a lesser version of your second best player in Book and and expected to win KD is still KD!
There is no trade for Durant that makes a Booker / Beal team a contender.
There is. Because you have Grayson Allen, a very good 3D. With Book Beal and Allen you can build around them with size, rim protection and a PG. You can get 3 above average players for KD. I like the Memphis trade scenario. Marcus Smart and Brandon Clarke makes sense at least, plus 1rd draft picks ofcourse.
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@@harryo82 🐳
Keeping Booker and Beal in the team makes 0 sense. You're paying 100M/year for two similar players at the ->same
Look at booker playoff production what would say other wise ?????
Even if they want to trade I believe because of the CBA their trade options are limited by the fact they are in the secondary tier of the luxury tax..
What would it take for the Warriors to get Durant? Kuminga and what?
Booker is in the same category as Murray where they can score in bunches and is a tough shot maker, nothing more
Probably a dumb question. But can the lakers trade for KD? He fills in something they clearly need, to beat Denver specifically. Those picks after Bron leaves can be attractive but idk how many picks they’ll have available (not a lakers fan just asking lol)
Maybe next offseason because once you trade KD, you’re basically closing the title window for sure. I would try to use Nurk and Allen as your main assets to try to find some defensive help. If they build a strong defensive-minded roster around the big 3, some Magic might happen.
This roster is atrocious defensively as is
Also, why are you talking like the Knicks and Timberwolves have won anything yet? Let’s see how that blueprint plays out first before making such sweeping statements
I would still rather have Ayton than Nurkic as well
Memphis would be a great fit for both sides. Smart, Kennard, and Clarke gives the Suns a PG, a shooter, and a big. Add some picks and it’s not a disaster for them. For Memphis, not sure who the fifth starter is but that is a crazy top four.
Ja Bane KD JJJ +1 Damn i like it.
@@matheuscouri2225 yessir! The West would be bananas next year.
Hmm maybe? Then suns can draft edey too
@@matheuscouri2225Steven Adams
Suns fan for years. I wouldn’t trade Booker. Durant yes. Never wanted the bridges for Durant trade. Durant to Memphis or Knicks sounds good.
Suns had no PG, were too small against the big teams and lacks lengthy energy wings
Phx fans should just starter over and trade KD to the Knicks for draft compensation and Mitchell Robinson
I’m calling this rn: OKC trade Giddey, Cason Wallace, another role player, and as many 1st as it takes to get KD. OKC would still have like $7M in c cap space (depending on who the other role player is) plus the MLE to fill out the roster. The Suns could then use those multiple 1st to reshape their roster while also getting out of the 2nd apron.
Not going to happen okc would pass
KD back to Warriors plz.
Warriors don’t need him. He needs warriors more.
The warriors could use Steph needs a 2nd star
Devin Booker Nurkic Okogie to the Pelicans for Jonas V & Brandon Ingram 1st round .
No matter how good the coach is, if the players are not passionate in playing to get the chip, nothing will happen. There are players that play better when they are on the floor together like KD with Steph. KD with other star players don't click.
KD and Kyrie played well together. They were high seeds when healthy. The supporting caste has been poor. Same with PHX. KD and Book but no consistency outside of Allen when healthy.
Still no Celtics vs HEAT game 3 and 4?
They need to try one more year man
They have 2 first round picks
They need to trade that
Go scorched earth. Trade KD and Booker for as many picks as you can and ride out Beals contract until it's a salary dump for another team.
Beal has 3 years remaining on his deal, not 13 years, chill people Beal still a good player aged 30
Royce Oneal was traded for three seconds. @Hoops Tonight the mistake was made around 1 minute mark. cheers
Book to orlando would be such a good trade. That’s exactly what they need. Booker is not a superstar, but paolo has extreme potential to be in that tier.
Just a thought, maybe the Sun's biggest problem is their front office. Their history of poor decisions is not short. If so, any move they make, likely doesn't help.
How many more rings would KD have if he had stayed in Golden State? 3??
21:29 facts, I would boycott the Suns if they traded my 🐐
as for trade - Id take Mo Wagner back as well, big body that can score off the bench.
Knicks have never wanted Durant for real….
Magic need help at guard, KD would disrupt their front court.
Best hope the Suns have, is doing a multi team deal for Durant and Beal, getting back picks and players…then rebuild around Booker.
Maybe the Hawks would be willing to pair Beal with Murray or Trae, send one of them + Capela to pair with Booker.
Lakers are the one team that would give up anything (outside of AD/Bron), to get Durant. They could send Reaves to the Hawks, Rui + 2-3 Lakers picks would fit in Phoenix…throw in the necessary contracts to make it all work.
Capela
Rui
O’Neal
Booker
Trae (or Murray)
+Lakers picks
It’s not pretty, but it could be an option to free Phoenix going forward. 🤷🏿♂️
Curious to hear what teams would be interested in KD at this point? OKC? Miami? The Knicks?
Memphis would be an amazing fit
Get KD to the warriors and Warriors would give up Klay, Wiggins and a bench assets which Portland can then flip or keep.
I don’t get it Jason. DBook for Suggs, Isaac and WCJ looks like robbery on Orlando end. You can’t promote that nonesense…
But It’s okay the rumors are already out the Knicks will give anything to pair book with Brunson and that would definitely be a championship team in the east so the suns can keep an old kd and washed Bradley Beal lol book will be in a much better position
i hope they do trade him he my favorite player i like suns but him and book clearly isn’t best fit . i think kd and kyrie meshed wayyy better
Yeah that's a great trade for the suns, but i don't think Orlando would go for that.
there’s always a sucker out there willing to take a bad contract. You can definitely trade Bradley Beal just gotta find the right suitor. Besides the wizard was able to trade him
these 3 had Booker and KD ahead of Tatum a few months ago
it’s almost like with new information comes different opinions. crazy right?
Lol if im the celtics and i dont win this chip im instantly trading Tatum for KD and Book. Jaylen Brown is the obvious #1 and Tatum is a obvious #2 just like KD and Book lol they need a leader to guide them otherwise they cant be the leader of a championship team.
@@locatorcards its almost like they are Hot Take Bots
Jason that trade sucks😂😂😂😂😂
Please OKC stay away from K.D. Please.
Yea they need to focus on getting a big wing that can play the 4 & a center (like Rob Will) who can rebound, protect the rim, & space the floor vertically.
That's funny cuz that actually is the one team that Can bail out the suns with all that draft capital 😂
It would be one hell of a story line for KD. Like if OKC loses to the nuggets in the playoffs, KD gets traded to OKC next season and they have a miraculous season where everything clicks and he wins a title for OKC.
I mean OKC not winning shit anyways lmao stop it 😂
@@rah6229 you don't think the same was said about the nuggets 😂
@@DeeJay_VIIOKC plays 5 out and will always do that . Coach Mark and Presti already explaining why they do it .
Good content but people keep using the knocks comp.. the east isn't it if suns were in the east they would get to the ECF
Chris Paul was easily the most valuable player on the 2021 team
All these suns need is to watch “the beautiful game” about the Spurs and copy it!
Agree trade KD for Greg Popovich
You guys don’t understand Orlando. We are big on chemistry and team building. We aren’t interested in blowing up our core for diva cancer types. P5, Frantz, Suggs, and probably Judah are likely untouchable. Not to mention, P5 and Book don’t like each other. Was at the game this year and was a clear beef on display.
I want to see Colby White or Simons in Orlando.
Yeah suns were building our culture that way too and I didn’t want the KD trade. Ugh
They’re probably gonna have to run it back with the big 3 and trade Greyson Allen for a TJ McConnell type player. Hopefully they can find a couple of vets to sign for the minimum that work out better than Eric Gordon and Drew Eubanks did.
Grayson Allen is probable the guy you want to keep. There is not many elite 3D guys in the league. He is VERY GOOD.
Guys probable better 3D guys than Allen: KCP, Jaden Mcdaniels, Herb, Derick White.. all elit 3pt shooters.
Suns should trade for Wemby 👽
I remember yall saying Timberwolves trade for gobert was a dumb trade.... yall don't know ball
There is no way beal is the worst contract in the NBA.. Ben Simmons has another year..
Whoever they trade, they need a point guard back. Combine that with the new salary matching rules for apron teams, and there are really only 2 targets: Charlotte and portland, getting either lamelo or brogdan. Brogdon would have to come with jerami grant, lamelo with some filler.
Every other trade option doesn't fix the problem in Phoenix of no point guard to actually run sets. They are completely fucked for the next 5 years
Frank won a championship with older players.. The only reason players would not respect him is obvious they all know it but wont say it..
lol they have first round picks every other year.
You won't probably see this since the video is old now. Please please please please... Watch the video from Bobby Marks explaining how the apron works. So many of these teams that everyone is saying need to make trades. Literally can't. The new CBA and the apron is a killer of trades and how they work. You can not be in the apron and if you make a multi player trade. You are now treated as though you are in the 2nd apron. The apron was not just about stopping super teams. ITs also gonna do an amazing job of stopping player trade requests because teams literally won't be able to trade players due to trading restrictions. The suns can't trade any of their players for more than 1 player. They can't. Any talk of Suns trades can only be 1 for 1 player wise and the apron team cannot get the more expensive player back. I really wish the NBA media would stop making idiots of themselves not knowing the actual rules of the league now. Talking for 20 minutes about imaginary trade scenarios that are actually invalid due to the new CBA. The new CBA hurts trade request and the Max contract has effectively killed free agency. Players have been back doored into losing a lot of their freedom of movement around the league.
I won’t be surprise if after this Olympics and KD request for a trade to team up with someone from the USA team
What points to shai being able to be the best player on a championship team? lol because he eliminated an injured pelicans team? And so bc ant eliminated the suns he can now be the best on a championship team? Like what’re we doing we put asterisks next to books finals run yet we mention two other people who haven’t done anything in the playoffs especially shai I don’t understand how some of you view basketball
Making the playoffs isn’t even a guarantee. Kd played 75 games that’s not happening again. Booker played almost 70 he’s injury prone as well. I wouldn’t be suprised if they regressed next yr and either made the play in or missed it. Next yr Memphis is back, Houston gets better, Utah gets better etc
Same thing was said before he played 75 this season. Durant doesn’t attack the rim or absorbs contact he plays smart and can probably average at least 60 games like that
I think our definitely trade Book. Maybe I'm missing it, but he doesn't seem THAT loved in Phoenix.. and real shit, he's leaving for nothing soon anyway. Trade him
So when ant gets clamped and loses against Denver will he still be able to be a #1 on a championship team? Or will yall make excuses for him
Orlando isnt making that trade. Thats just a ridiculous trade for an organization to make now
Sam Presti better get on the phone the moment they're eliminated or win the chip.
Kat for KD?
In what universe did the Beal trade make the Suns better? Help me out here.
They won fewer games, looked like garbage, their cap situation is worse, and their future is dead. HOW WAS IT A GOOD TRADE?! Are y'all dense? I agree CP3's contract was BAD, but it was a year, not to mention CP3 didn't have a NTC.
Y'all are not smart on this one.
As a former Suns fan, I would love to see Booker traded.
KD has become a journeyman superstar. I could see him trying to force his way out again
He’s gonna hardest road his way to the Nuggets
I mean it’s a career
KD is joining the Wolves 😆
So building around a 36 year old kd will get u better results? lol book is in his prime & is better than kd right now y’all are chatting
Devin Booker can't be #1 on a championship team
Ima die hard suns fan and we need a full rebuild. Booker isn’t that guy. He’s choked the last three post seasons. Trade Booker to the nets and get our picks back
Trade Boomer and KD. I’m a Phoenix fan and live here locally….no one cares about Booker.
I just have no idea what KD is trying to prove or what type of game he wants to play because it isn't working. I feel like he has to crawl back to the Warriors. The problem with KD is that he doesn't believe in defense.
Stay off the weed… he was their best defender, and scorer…
Stay off the weed… he was their best defender, and scorer…
Trade brooker he’s the common factor in all the playoff losses