Cavaliers-Celtics Reaction: Why Jayson Tatum is the PERFECT star for Boston | Hoops Tonight
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- Jason Timpf reacts to Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, and the Boston Celtics' 113-98 Game 5 win to eliminate the Cleveland Cavaliers from the NBA Playoffs and advance to the Eastern Conference Finals. Jason breaks down Tatum's excellent Game 5 and discusses why, despite heavy criticism, Tatum might be the perfect star for this Celtics team.
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This is the take of most real Celtics fans that have watched the games of Tatum. He has been great this year with sacrificing his scoring by passing to his teammates, rebounding, and defense to win games. He’s not just a scorer.
Exactly
Bingo
You have to impact the game in more than one way. If JT was forcing up shots instead of passing, the same people would be complaining that he is ball hogging and not moving the basketball.
@@therealdarrell282 100% it’s lose lose with media & other fans about Tatum
Yes thank you!!! Where have y’all been!? I’ve been telling my casual ass friends this all year. He could have gone the Ant/Luka/Brunson route and our team would have suffered for it.
Thank you Jason. I really appreciate what you said in the beginning as a Celtics fan. I've always thought you are the best at NBA breakdowns, but I felt your view of Tatum wasn't fair imo. JT has played so smart this postseason
He's had multiple signature games where he's battled with other superstars and has beat them as that alpha dog scorer. He literally has the game 7 scoring record, how much more alpha dog can you get
He outscored Giannis in a playoff elimination game too. I think what frustrates people is that we want him to do that every time it's needed, but he doesn't.
Tatum led *both* teams in total points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals in this series.
Only other time it has happened since 1973-4: LeBron in 2016 vs the Warriors in the Finals.
3 way tie for blocks and a tie for assist.
@@sindilacion Number one is number one🤷🏽♂️
@@KiLlACaMrOn94 Yes. 3 #1s for blocks and Two #1s for assist.
@@sindilacionstill 1. Give the technical shif a rest brother😂
JT has shown his maturity this series. He has proven in previous seasons that he can score when needed to, but he has matured and realized that their best chance of winning the championship is by sharing the ball. That's why I am baffled by analyst who criticize his play this postseason when in fact he is doing what is needed to win. Like you said, if a pass makes for an easier shot why take the difficult shot (even if he can make it)? His game has matured.
Go look at Anthony Edwards and how Denver is loading up on him and Edwards is taking too long to move the ball. If you are going to get trapped, move the ball because somebody is open.
Refreshing to hear Timpf talk positively about JT here
Don't worry it'll only take a few day for him to talk shit again
I was talking about this to my peers while watching. I told them "look at how Tatum set up Dwhite, JB, and Horford for 8 straight points". He drove and kick to Dwhite and Horford for 2 wide-open three-pointers and set up JB for an easy layup. All in three possessions, the Celtics scored 8 easy points and he didn't even need to score. This is what people who just look at the scoreboard for points per game do not see. Also, Tatum has proven time and time again that he can be the alpha scorer when needed. He dropped KD and Kyrie averaging 30+ ppg, dropped 47 on Giannis in an elimination game, and dropped 51 on Embiid in a Game 7 elimination game. What more can you ask the guy for?
Facts nice take! His defense is very underrated too, he had like 4 strips last game! Just reading the game and keeping his hands active!
Wow finally you realise what Tatum has been doing these Playoffs instead of bashing him for not scoring 30+ every damn game.
No one cares about him scoring 30. He was shooting 40% from the field and 25% from 3. That's his issue.
Thanks for including the Celtics in your thumbnail and analysis! I complain when don’t and don’t want to be hypocritical and have to give you my props!
Holy Hell Timpf finally gets Tatum
The most fair I’ve ever seen you regarding the Celtics. Porzingis is going to get ample time for recovery and will be ready to go against whoever comes out of the West.
we arent worried celtics would be mid in the west
@alexisrobbins1736 If you weren’t worried about the Celtics you wouldn’t be here trolling and hating. These are just the hard facts..
@@MihoyMinoy-si8fb im here for the JT praise since i like him, but i saw this comment and don't mind pointing out delusions when i see them. enjoy the rough finals!
@@alexisrobbins1736rough finals were cake walking all the way there. Celtics are on vacation right now where's your team.
Thing is celtics will be on vacation next series too. While whoever you got goes 7 here, and another 7 in the next rd. Celtics in the meantime will be fresh as daisies in the finals.
@@mikehunt40 like i said, that's the east, not the west. celtics would be mid in the west. go check their record against teams in the west. there is no relevant competition in the east.
Finally someone says this. Tatum makes his team better and sacrifices his own numbers to win. He is a winner.
Jayson's Assist game and vision has been his biggest improvement this year. He knows teams trying to double and suppress him, his passing is critical.
Thank you Jason for highlighting this. As a Celtics fan, I believe JT does not get enough credit for how unselfishly he plays the game which allows for JB, DWhite, KP and Jrue to a lesser extent to all still flourish offensively. Yes at times he can be way too passive but like you said, he is the perfect superstar for this team because of his willingness to defer, and I don't think guys like Luka or Ant's playstyles can get the most out of a roster like this even if their individual talent might be greater than Tatum's
Luka and Antman ain't better than JT individually. JT cooked Antman and dropped 48 points on his head, and JT made Luka look useless in defense twice this year.
@@masstarvation‼️‼️
JT is an enabler/generalist. He doesn't need the ball to impact the game nor is he a bulldozer in his physicality. Too long has the talking points about superstars been all about points and crashing the boards and JT will never be like that all the time.
If a team consistently has only one person getting high personal stats, it often means that it is imbalanced and prone to injury and game planning. Boston's recipe for success is a balanced approach to the game amongst everyone in its starting 5 and JT is the hub of the best offense and second best defense in the NBA.
Well thanks for at least admitting that you (as alot of the NBA fanbase does) used Tatum as a stepping stone to push your Ant narrative, instead deciding to completely ignore how much better Tatum is than him and boosting Ant's actual production way higher than it really is.
Crazy can’t believe he actually admitted that lol
Most people ignore that JT was just leading the playoffs in screen assists a few days ago at 1.6 per. JT just does alot of teams that impact winning that arent as glamorous as scoring or as flashy as dunks or taunting.
JT is an example of a thinking man's basketball player. Giving the game what it needs or reading the game are hard to quantify/understand for casuals as they dont appreciate advanced stats as much.
Thank you Jason for finally seeing Tatum as an overall player and not just his scoring prowess. I know the media gets caught up on the new shiny toy on the block (Ant Edwards) but actually watching Tatum and see what he does besides his scoring is what basketball is all about. I do agree that he do need to shoot better getting to the Finals but great basketball breakdown
I usually think guys are just bitching, but Tatum was getting HACKED last night without getting calls.
Wasn't expecting that title ✊🏾☘️
Jason, Tatum has been the best PnR ball handler in the playoffs (1.27ppp), but he’s only averaging 4.5 possessions per game. Do you think they are saving Tatum PnRs for the finals or is it bad coaching?
Bad coaching
@@DannyBarrios-uc5jg “bad coaching” but they’re 8-2 in the playoffs and first to the conf finals 😂 you bozos are hilarious
Good coaching. We don’t heavily run pick and roll w 1 guy. Because it diminishes the strength of our offense. When the ball is moving around and we’re running multiple actions we get into better stuff than traditional pick and roll when the defense can load up in your direction. It’s different than how most teams play but our 5 starters are not just role players who sit in the corner. So the defense doesn’t know what’s coming. I think that’s the goal
They could be saving it for when it matters
@@MJU682 well said it's like you want to suprise the defense
What a difference a week makes!
Jason now moonwalking 🤣
Jason, what’s the best way to get in touch with you for podcast appearances? I’ve tried Twitter DM’s but unable to get through.
As soon as Tatum starts putting up 33-34 ppg he will get doubled. Thus Tatum should find one of his fellow cusp All-Stars* to hit for an open 3 (Celtic's TOP8 rotation players can all hit 3s).
*All 5 Celtic starters are Top50ish players, or cusp All-Stars
Does Tatum still take too many ISO shots or Pull- Up jumpers early in the shot clock? YES, but he is getting better at it.
Tatum's defensive versatility & ability to make players better around him better is criminally underrated (but nobody in the NBA Media, other than JJ Redick, cares about that)
Jason, you're the man! This video has great basketball analysis and is fair on all fronts. This was great to hear because earlier this year, you mentioned that you thought Tatum had a chance to develop into the best player in the league by age 29 or 30. Then to hear you at say that you no longer believe that (because of Ant Edwards' ascension) was.... very perplexing.
There are only 2 players that I can definitively say are BETTER than Jayson Tatum, and that's Joker & Giannis.
Luka is such a liability on defense, and he gets subbed out for defensive specialists in late game situations. He doesn't move whatsoever without the ball. People are so enamored of his counting stats that people overlook that sometimes they're very empty!
Embiid is certainly more dominant but the dude is rarely available & his best postseason runs are disappoints for Tatum led teams.
Shai & Ant are awesome but JT is several inches taller and offers more positional versatility.
Jayson does have poor shot selection at times and could absolutely show more aggression at times as well. I'd like to see him take on more of an SGA shot selection where he bullies defenders 15 feet and closer.
Thank you for the video
Ant and Tatum are nearly the same far as skillset and Tatum may have the edge but what sets them apart is personality, image and aggression. Tatum can and has made every dunk and play that Ant Man is right now.
this is the classiest take i have seen acknowledging that an analyst can do better. I am celtcs fan and dont think you are that harsh on him but trying to get better is to be commended. Love the show.
This is why Jason is the true bball analyst GOAT. He’s fair in criticism, doesn’t exaggerate praise and is always nuanced in his approach and analysis of the game. In an era of wanting to mask hot takes and outlandish statements as “analysis”, Jason consistently puts out quality content on a nightly basis. I think I speak on behalf of all of your fans when I say thanks! Keep up the great work and content!
Tatum is already a perineal mvp candidate. Dude led the polls for the first half of the last two tears
Very intelligent analysis, all the good ones basically say the same thing. learned a lot, enjoying the games much more.
Love your take on Tatum. I've always thought he played his best basketball when he was not needing to "get his", but simply making the right play. When he is doing that, he is a monster.
Bish JT is a SUPERSTAR
There are a lot of people who get down on Tatum for whatever reason, they don't realize he leads the team in rebounds, assists and scoring while playing point guard for this team and logging insane minutes. Let that marinate a bit, leads in points and rebounds plays solid to spectacular defense at times and is playing point guard at 6'8. He brings the ball up when there are guards on the floor and initiates the offense almost always. The O grinds to a halt when he sits and its not because the isn't on the floor to iso. It's because he is the team's facilitator.
Ŵe didn't forget that ANT take
I can tell you actually watch Celtics games! Not like most people who watched 3 TNT Celtics games and criticize them off those 3 games! Tatum on defense is just beautiful to watch at times. He gets no credit for it but he’s an elite defender! JB is too! They both got so much better from just last season! I think we run the nuggets off the court, full court press and let’s see who gets tired first 😂. Jokic going to drop from exhaustion! Attack him as much as you can! He can’t protect the rim!
how am I not subscribed to this masterpiece of a podcast ?!
As a diehard Celtics fan who has probably watched around 90% of Tatums career games, I never thought he would become more than just a scorer. Always knew he would reach that 30 ppg mark and play decent defense because of his size but his ability to make the right reads and pass out of the double has improved so much in recent years it’s crazy. His defense and passing are so underrated
his defense has been amazing for a while now to the point where i think he's the best two-way player in the game rn
btw his defense is better than ant's i better not see a comment with recency bias sayin the dumbest shit ever please
The things JT has accomplished since joining the league is ridiculous!! Folks need to get educated!! Can he improve, of course he can, just like all other NBA players!! 🏀🥰
Best analyst rn, ppl’s champ🎉
Jason, if we really look honestly at recent history, the Celtics became the JT and JB team three years ago. Before that it was a mixed bag with Kyrie, Gordon, Kemba and even IT..once JT and JB came off their rookie contracts and extensions, the weight of the franchise is now on them. Now they are being paid as franchise players. They lost to LBJ twice in the first 3 ECF (when they weren't the franchise players) and now once in the Finals to Steph (since they are). Losing to greats is not a problem. MJ lost to Boston and Detroit before becoming Jordan. Yes, you can say that against GS it was there for the taking, yet it was a learning point. I would say the last three years are a true sample size of the development of JT and JB "under pressure" and how they develop and perform. Yes, the offense can become stagnant and they can tend to take the foot of the gas defensively at times, yet the team is delivering with what is in front of them.
The finals was disappointing 2 years ago, but ultimately it was a successful season in terms of expectations. Last year was the first year in the Jays era that it was championship or bust. We failed, quite embarrassingly, but it's pretty clear that Marcus Smart was a cancer on the team, and we won 5 straight elimination games at one point. So the legacy of postseason failure is very premature.
People are holding it against them because they got the numer one seed,and,played easier teams. They can't help the other team's injuries. Colin had a segment the other day where he trashed them. Yes,they have more to get done this postseason, but they have done what they had to do in the first two rounds. If they win the championship, alot of people are gonna look stupid. Also,look at Tatum's last 3 games,all wins. He has done everything, rebounds and setting guys up. Hopefully KP can stay healthy for the rest of the playoffs after he comes back.
When playing a team with a DPOY finalist and other okay defenders, being able to keep the attention of the elite defender allows everyone else to have more success. This worked against Miami, winning by [20, 20, 14, 34]. Tatum also out-rebounded Bam in 3 of 5 games. It was even easier with the decimated Cleveland team. With the Knicks, he would tie up OG if healthy. With the Pacers, who is their elite defender?
Here’s the stat to drive home your point… 90+ playoff games w/o a triple double… nearly 2 in the last 10…
This is the beginning of Jason’s redemption arc. Spent the last few years focusing on Tatums flaws rather than what makes him great. Sure his “flaws” matter in the context of championship aspirations. But it turned excessive. Appreciate great basketball players
Yeahhhhhh,,,,,, Positive Celtics Talk 😁😁😁😁😁😁
Did u notice the bot Tatum and Luca did very little complaining to the refs! Tatum did once right before the halftime!
So now you're complimenting Tatum and the Celtics huh 👀
Tatum is top 5-top10 but he doesn't have a F you mode. After a code lost to the nuggets Tatum saudwhat do you want me to do Hi Jack the offense. All I was thinking at that time was yes Tatum . You got to get the defense shaking the boots. You got show them that you are him. That way when you do pass your teammates are wide open
You're not winning MVP while on a starting lineup with all those weapons, everyones gonna eat. But you can win a championship and as everyone knows that window doesnt last forever and he needs championships now, can worry about an MVP after.
If OG is healthy Knicks will give them problems.
It took you like a Year and a half to figure this out lol
Without rings that adjective great will be the one with a small g.
i aint EVER GONE SIGN UP FOR DRAFT KINGS
Im glad this video was posted. Im going to comment more after I watch.
But I want to address the awful play of SGA, who is basically Harden 2.0.
Too small to be effective on defense, Cant shoot, requires foul baiting to get his 30 points.
You still taking SGA over Tatum?
Tatum who can do everything and play Elite switchable defense and has proven to come up huge in big games?
I don't believe Denver is a better team than Boston. Joker isn't playing with 5 other All Star caliber teammates and a deep bench like Tatum.
Wow.. Cs talk?.. from you?!? Must be a full moon out lol
You’re caught in the moment with you’re Ant-Man vs JT take. Ant is only 22 and he’s inexperience shows vs Nuggets. He will be better someday, but not today.
People forget how great Tatum was in the playoffs at 22-23 and the teams he played in at that age were not as good as the wolves are this year.
Where should we be if not in the moment ? I think Ant vs JT makes sense to talk about right now. Or do you wanna talk about last years playoffs?
Celtics will beat the knickerbockers in 4-5 tops “longer series” yeah right 😂😂😂
Lmao blah blahh. Stay on that side.
Again talent not Tatum issue it’s his lack of agression at times physically. Also his playstle… bad fundamentals.
Couldn’t agree more, Tatum is the PERFECT star for a team that can consistently make the conference finals and always lose to teams with a better star
Tatum is a great all around player but lacks balls. Brown is an elite scorer but mediocre to crap in every other area, a losing and low iq player. White, Porzingis, Jrue, Horford are the best 3-6 rotation pieces in the NBA by far. That’s what set them apart. Mazzulla is math nerd who is on the spectrum, and perhaps the worst in-game adjustment coach in the NBA. The result is an uber talented team who wins off sheer talent but is undisciplined and loses focus far too often. The will lose to Denver in 6.
LOL nice back handed compliment. I’m sure your dislike of the Celtics doesn’t affect your opinions and predictions AT ALL. 😂😂😂😂 Your comment has been invalidated.
Aren’t you a Nuggets fan? Shouldn’t you be worrying about the Wolves/Mavs????? If you TRULY in the deepest part of your heart felt that the Celtics were no threat to win the Finals then you wouldn’t be here trolling in the form of off handed compliments. However you will conveniently disappear from the internet when the Nuggets inevitably lose to either Wolves/Mavs/Celtics. Troll somewhere else.
Brown not one of your faves I would never of guessed
@@MihoyMinoy-si8fb No I am realistic Celtics' fan lol
@@RittenhousesRifle Off your meds?
Perfect star? He was the third or fourth best player in this series?
RIght, because the last 3 games he didn't have 33 33 and then basically a 25 pt triple double last night *literally one assist shy*
Just say you didn’t watch
30 & 10 avg the last 3 games
Stop it no he wasn't yall just hating now
Does it hurt? Being this dumb?
So many Tatum glazers coming out of the wood works cuz he finally had a good couple of games. I think Tatum still deserves the criticism though. It’s not that I think he’s actually a bad player, it’s that he is capable of so much more than what his actual output is. He’s so crafty at getting to the rim and finishing, a really good passer and rebounder, a decent three point shooter, and a great defender. But the issue is he consistently doesnt try and chooses to take bad shots and iso. I think Mazzulla definitely should be fired for not giving his players any offensive or defensive sets, but Tatum needs to be the player he has all the talent to be.
Mazzulla unlocked Tatum and he's the architect of the best offense and second best defense in the NBA. You accuse people of glazing when it's actuallyyou who doesn't care to even know the facts.
You just described Nikola Jokic. He ain't that. The actual problem with Tatum is that he plays too often like Kobe ...... and he's not half as good at that stuff as Kobe. He also shoots the ball like he thinks he's Curry ..... and he's not half as good at shooting as Curry.
So what's left? A dude who could make up a lot of those margins at the foul line ... something he doesn't seem to want to do.
Celtics had the so cold alpha in Irving and that fell apart and then there were Kemba Walker years and that fell apart. This year and the next couple of years is when Celtics need to secure their fairy deserved championship trophies. Go Cs ❤🍀🏆