Crisis Series #44: How Can the SSPX Justify What it Does?
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- Last week, we looked at the status of the Society of Saint Pius X. Given that there is no regular canonical status for the SSPX, how then, can the priests of the Society exercise their functions? Canon Law is pretty clear on this point - for a priest to exercise his ministry, he must be under the authority and direction of the local bishop, or at the least, under the direct supervision of the Vatican. Since that does not exist, how can the priests of the Society justify, in all good conscience, what they do? Are they simply disobedient rebels? Father Jonathan Loop will join us, and look at this question in two ways: first by looking at the general principles, and second, by looking at Canon Law itself.
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I am elated. I found a chapel of the SSPX in my town. God is good.
Awesome Applesauce!!! Thank God for the SSPX & St. Marcel Lefebvre!!!
You found a treasure!
Wish I could afford to live near one. I would like to be at Mass daily. When I was growing up (before SSPX existed) our parish was a block away but I didn't even know that it was possible to go daily. 😪 they were saying the Novus Ordo already anyway. We were robbed.
I was the same the Latin fathers make alters out of conveyer belts and pianos if needed be I won't leave this society EVER ITS A TREASURE 🦁🏴🛡️🕊️
You are so blessed and I am joyful for you!! Ave Maria!
The topic should be: How can anyone claim the SSPX is not justified?
When one is seeking Catholic truth it's the SSPX they need to turn too. Thank the good Lord Catholic traditions and liturgy has been preserved because of the SSPX fraternity.
Thank God for the SSPX.
Never listen to those who say the SSPX is not Catholic. Those are either blind or ignorant people.
I am so amused when they say SSPX is not Catholic....as they go off to their liturgical dance performances to get "slain in the spirit," attend same sex "weddings," and vote for abortionists. Make sure to use your hand sanitizer and remember to recycle. Oh God help us all, what with all this mishegoss!
....or perhaps the have an ax to grind, like the FSSP priest who recently told me the SSPX are nothing more than protestants.
I WAS a Protestant--for several years. I can tell you for sure, the SSPX is protestant they're the weirdest bunch of protestants I've ever seen.
@@brandywineblue Amen! One has to ask who’s really in Scism, Novus Ordo or TLM? “ New Order” - Mass 🤮 should be a clue!
those who oppose the council are those who truly love the faith. Those who love the council secretly despise the tradition.
Thank you for such clear, detailed answers to these important questions.
The SSPX is an important guardian of the Faith without whose intervention would be no traditional RC Church today. Regardless of what this means moving forward, it is an incontrovertible fact.
The SSPX is entirely catholic and recognize the authority (for legitimate purposes) of the Pope. Then, the Church is obliged (because of canon 265) to grant an incardination to the SSPX. If it does not, it is not SSPX fault. The problem is and will remain so until the crisis is over, the apostasy in the Church.
The SSPX is, unwittingly or not, at the heart of the crisis , because it teaches that people can be saved who are not incorporated into the Mystical Body of Christ by regeneration through reception of the Sacrament of Baptism and profession of the integral Catholic Faith, who profess and practice false religions till the day they die. This is the heresy taught by their founder in his books, and which they stand by, in spite of the oft defined condemnations of this heresy by the authentic Magisterium in ecumenical councils through the ages:
Council of Trent, Canon 5 on the Sacrament of Baptism: "If anyone shall say that the Sacrament of Baptism is optional, tat is, not necessary for salvation, let him be anathema."
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex Cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, UNLESS THEY ARE JOINED TO THE CHURCH BEFORE THE END OF THEIR LIVES; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that ONLY for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation nor are fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia productive of eternal rewards; and that NOBODY can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms AND EVEN IF HE HAS SHED HIS BLOOD FOR THE NAME OF CHRIST, unless he has persevered in the bosom and UNITY of the Catholic Church.”
You're living a wonderful life for Jesus Christ in celibacy ...all the vows you have pledged to. Your service tells others to commit and serve people...lovingly ...
Bless you for your vocation.
Thank you Father for clarifying "praying for the intentions of the Holy Father", that it relates to the office, not the man occupying it. God bless the SSPX.
Several years ago Fr. Ramon Angles published a study (which might still be available from the SSPX website) wherein he investigates the SSPX in relation to Canon Law and those Sacraments ordinarily requiring "jurisdiction." He concludes: If the SSPX is within the Church, its Marriages and Confessions are valid. If the SSPX is not within the Church, its Marriages and Confessions are valid.
The question should be “How does the Vatican II sect justify itself?”
The presentation video in this series answers that question.
@@soniamartin2007 more like willful stubborn ignorance. 🙈🙉🙊
These vignettes are AWESOME guys!!! Started attending the SSPX in Winnipeg earlier in 2022. I am HOME after nearly forty years away from the Most Holy and Apostolic Roman Catholic Church. Keep 'em coming. It's all a bit above my fathom but continual listening helps!!! Blessings to you all.
Velox Versutus Vigilans
I’m very glad to hear this because one thing nearly everyone has lost sight of is the fact that it’s not just the mass that was drastically changed in Vatican II. Nearly everything that makes us Catholic was stripped away. Whatever was left was changed to the point of near meaninglessness. For most Catholics, the only truly Catholic elements remaining are Our Lord’s Real Presence in the Eucharist, the Crucifix, Our Lady’s rosary, a few statues and icons, and the tattered remnants of a handful of prayers and practices, all of which are quickly disappearing from NO churches.
If not for the efforts of the SSPX, there would be nothing preventing the Catholic Church from being destroyed by its own hierarchy. It must, therefore, be that God intends the SSPX to exist and grow. How could it be otherwise? Modernism is claiming countless souls; however, through the efforts of the SSPX, a few may be saved. Isn’t that what it’s all about?
Such an important fact that bears repeating:
"No one can reach, come to, be with God except by goring through the Lord Jesus Christ."
All glory and praise belongs always only to Our Lord.
A wonderful explanation! Thank you Father.
This is a very good overview. It is hard to follow due to the audio quality and the details covered. PLEASE consider putting a transcript of it on the SSPX Podcast website.
If watching in CZcams you can use the CC (closed caption) button.
Thanks for this, very interesting! ☺️🙏❤️
I'm in Scotland and it's great I feel I also try and help father brucciani in England...god and Providence is behind the society never forget that!!🏴🛡️🕊️
Thank you Fr. Loop
You’re know you’re doing something right when you take a stand for Jesus and His Church, and you are hated, denounced and banned for it.
There's tragic irony in the suppression of the Mass of the Ages simultaneous with the encouragement for those outside the Church to remain in their error because of so-called religious liberty.
Thank You For This Valuable Knowledge Much Appreciated. Deus Vult
For me, it's very hard not to sympathize with the late Archbishop Lefebvre and what he did in forming the society of St. Pius X.
The fact that Pope Francis gave the society faculties to hear confessions and witness marriages seems to indicate that a more regular canonical status isn't far off in the future for the Society.
Not under this regime. Francis hates Tradition. He is two-faced and has shown that numerous times.
Don’t care about Pachapapa Francis
@@skypilot7162 perhaps the next pontiff. What is true will eventually come forth, whether it's the case sspx makes or what the Vatican makes or something in between
I sometimes think that God has set the SSPX up to save the Church from itself.
You are serving as Great St Paul the apostle of JESUS CHRIST to the gentiles. Praise God for your humility standing for JESUS CHRIST THE TRUTH.
The Holy Spirit is the Love of Jesus Christ in the SSPX that justifies their life giving priestly and society. Praise God for his status in the SSPX for their faithfulness and holiness for the founder.
Thank you.
Everybody must have the open letter to Catholics ...I see uncle Marcel as...a.. defender of the faith
Thank you both for a wonderful clarification of what is, admittedly, a very painful situation---painful for all but those who are causing the pain--those who have seized control and are determined to change the Church and with it the Faith.
I would only have one wish regarding this content: put it in a more concise form so that it might be more easily presented to others who are confused or have been misinformed about this complex matter.
Complex as it is I'm convinced it could be done---and should be done.
Thank you for your comment. Have you seen the SSPX FAQ Videos?
@@SSPX No. I haven't. I will check them out, but on the face of it and FAQ sounds a bit on the impersonal side for sharing with others on this specific matter. IMO FAQ--good for those already seeking. Not so good for those who are totally unaware.
I become so deeply sad when FSSP attacks SSPX. Pray they unite and not divide.
It's hurting to know that Catholics disunite. Let's all understand that through the fervent prayers that we do, the things of God happens. May our fervent prayers be heard by God in time. May God have mercy on us!
SSPX priests must always maintain the spiritual charism of their holy founder, Abp. Lefebvre: perseverance in prayer, steadfast adherence to tradition, calmness in the face of ferocious opposition and complete trust in God in continuing to feed His sheep.
It is not a question of justifying what it does, because certainly it has the right and the sacred duty to celebrate the Mass of Immemorial Tradition, but of justifying what it believes and teaches and imposes on salvation.
"Whoever says that Baptism (the Sacrament ) is optional, that is, not necessary for salvation, let him be anathema." Council ofTrent, Canons on the Sacrament of Baptism.
The parallel is possibly a little more subtle than the image of a father becoming abusive towards his own family, and thereby justifying actions by the son to ignore the father, and possibly kick him out of the family home. I imagine a family that has for generations worked as millers, passing the milling traditional down from father to son for over a thousand years. Then one year the present miller announces that he’s going to step back from milling, and instead of passing ownership to his son, he lets his windmill to a third party, and lives off the rental income. The son, though disgruntled, accepts the decision and in time comes to enjoy the fruits of the rental income. In the meantime, the operator of the windmill notices that imported Chinese flour is cheaper than the stuff he turns out. The son’s son, in turn, decides that the rental income could be improved by outright selling the mill and investing the proceeds in a tracker fund. And, at the same time, the new owner-operator of the windmill works out that its more profitable to sell rebranded imported Chinese flour and re-open the windmill as a ‘working museum’, complete with rides for the kids plus a gift shop. Everybody is raking it in (except perhaps some Chinese factory worker), and every night there is a boozy party, and everybody stays in bed until midday the following day. Then one day the son’s son’s son begins to wonder what it’s all about, especially as his father has the world’s worst hangover and he’s heard on the news that some people have gotten sick from consuming adulterated flour sold at the local theme park. So he looks into his family’s past to see where things went wrong. He sees that his ancestors lived nobly as millers, but made a series of well-intentioned decisions that seemed to make sense at the time. Regardless of those good intentions, the son’s son’s son knows that what has resulted is evil and he is determined to get back to producing good flour that doesn’t make you ill. He knows that the tradition consists of more than mere obedience to his father, and that any authority he shall have over his own son shall come about only through passing down the tradition to him, and not simply by shouting ‘Do as your told. I’m your father, for Chrissakes!’
I won't be leaving the society!!ever, because I understand the situation ... Discapline and honour to Christ our king is key to understand....no messing in heer🕊️🛡️🏴
Thank you so much for this series. I literally had novus ordo priests say the sspx is a cult and that you're committing sin to go. That it has been the demise of many good souls....
Not so much! And thank God for your society. 🕊❇
This whole series is incredible and informative!! Thanks so much for this & keep up the awesome work!!
The SSPX would do well to to put these on TikTok. The youth are no longer on FB and CZcams. I get that 3min vids Is a short time, so you would have to make a lot of parts but it would be worth it.
What is the Society’s opinion of the bishops consecrated by Bishop Williamson? Rome has never questioned the validity of the original four, but the further away one gets the murkier things seem to me. Equally with all those Thuc bishops.
I don't know on what grounds anyone would contest the validity of ordination of the Bishops consecrated by Bishop Williamson. The SSPX recognizes their valid Episcopal consecration. The "necessity" that would justify their consecration, i.e. that the SSPX has essentially defected from the line of Archbishop Lefebvre, of course is precisely the point of divergence.
As regards the Thuc line, Fr. Peter Scott, SSPX had this to say:
"I do not believe that there is a strong reason to doubt the validity of the episcopal consecrations performed by the exiled Vietnamese Archbishop Ngo Dinh Thuc. However, there are several lesser reasons, that might be considered sufficient to establish some kind of positive doubt in the matter. These include the absence of correct witnesses during the original ceremony of consecration, which was done in private, and in the middle of the night.
Also relevant is Thuc’s confused mental state, as evidenced by his public concelebration of the New Mass with the local Novus Ordo bishop of the diocese of Toulon, just one month before these consecrations in 1981. Also, the lack of conviction can be seen in the fact that twice he consecrated bishops illicitly and twice he requested absolution from the canonical punishment of excommunication. These frequent changes indicate that he was a man who, to say the least, lacked conviction about what he was doing. This is further confirmed by his failure to join the Coetus internationalis patrum, the traditional group of bishops at Vatican II, and by a certain liberal tendency that he showed during the Council, speaking out against discrimination directed towards women and in favor of ecumenism. Consequently, although the logical thing would be to presume that he did have the intention of confecting the sacrament of Holy Orders, the absence of co-consecrators, and of a clear purpose, does open the door to some astonishment and doubt. Any doubt concerning the first bishops that he consecrated would clearly be passed on to any other bishops and priests ordained as a consequence."
@@SSPX ‘Defected from +Lefevbre’ introduces precisely the problem of ‘Traditionalist Protestantism’. There is no doubt in my mind that the SSPX is a part of and defends the Roman Catholic Church. But then a bishop decides they don’t defend it well enough and starts his own branch, and as this process of splitting off continues, the original Catholic identity of the groups becomes more and more attenuated, and their bishops, valid or not, irrelevant to the life of the Church. If things get bad enough in my diocese I would have no scruple whatever about attending an SSPX chapel. But further away than that I could not go.
A blog posted recently criticizing the SSPX cites the Council of Trent saying this:
"If anyone saith that bishops…who have neither been rightly ordained, nor sent by ecclesiastical and canonical power, but come from elsewhere, are lawful ministers of the word and of the sacraments; let him be anathema.”
It seems easy to say "Well if the fathers of Trent could see the Church now they would have made qualification."
So that raises in my mind another question, does Our Lord have intentions for a dogmatic definition beyond what a Council may understand itself to be saying? I don't want to go down the road of "that was then, this is now, we have to read Trent in its context."
I would refute by saying a face value reading and application would exclude danger of death confessions by excised priests, which it doesn't. So the blog's argument either proves too much or Trent should in fact be taken with the relevant caveat of epikeya discussed here
Well...m
This is slightly random; should normal Christians learn Latin? Is that something we should put our time and effort into?
Yep!
Dear Michael,
One SSPX priest in Africa explained the following to his faithful:
"A general reminder that the Latin class will begin [for the parish]...
It is hoped that by acquiring an elementary knowledge of the
language of our Mother the Church you will be able to appreciate
more profoundly the liturgy and the prayers of the Mass. It is one
of the most fundamental and basic skills that every Catholic
should have, or in the words of Cicero: "non enim tam praeclarum
est scire Latine quam turpe nescire" (It is not so praiseworthy to
know Latin, as rather it is a shame not to know it) [Brutus, 37.140]...
Many of our students have noted that the Latin language is not only
valuable for knowing the liturgy but especially for developing a
clarity of thought and for mastering one's own native language...
Many persons have asked for lessons of French which is important for the
life of Tradition as many publications are in this language and the
Archbishop himself gave many conferences in this language. Fr. ________
would be happy to offer these lessons, but as these are not as necessary
for salvation as the Latin language they will be offered on an
individual basis and for a fee. Those desiring should address themselves
to Father directly."
I think Father was being a little tongue in cheek by saying Latin was "necessary for salvation". He later ran a French camp as well, and ongoing lessons open to the whole parish. His energy and zeal are edifying to me!
I think Latin is a joy and a great help to living the liturgical life for an ordinary Catholic if he has the time, and capacity and can find a good teacher / method. I would suggest Ossa Latinitatis Sola by Fr. Reginald Foster if you intend to study on your own. It's presentation is not exactly classic, but I think it is a great "way in" for self-study.
On the other hand, don't feel an undue pressure as if you were a "bad Catholic" for not learning Latin. Life is hard enough as it is... But if you have time, leisure and inclination, go for it!
In Christ,
Fr. P. Franks
We don't want you to be troubled as a time is coming wear men will shake Thier fists at god himself saying who do you think you are WE have rights...now you will notice that the volcanos are erupting all over the world in alignment with covid raised an alarm for me and to understand why I point the video on the third secret by malichi Martin (cardinal beas schematic man)the video is called ... malichi Martin talks on the crises of the church and the third secret of Fatima....I also recommend this video to anyone who doubts the validity of the society of st Pius X...but as for what malichi said with the secret time will tell
Is there any SSPX Pastors in South Africa
Is anybody able to provide the source of the Archbishop's great quote at 22:25 from May 20th, 1986?
It was from a Spiritual Conference given to Seminarians in Econe, Switzerland.
@@SSPX Does a transcript exist?
"Mais il y a tout un milieu, justement, qui voudrait être traditionnel, qui voit bien qu’il y a quelque chose qui ne va pas dans l’Eglise, et qui voudrait garder la Tradition, mais ils n’ont pas le courage de s’opposer à l’autorité qui détruit l’Eglise, qui est la cause, qui est à l’origine de la subversion dans l’Eglise. Qu’est-ce que vous voulez que j’y fasse ? C’est comme ça ! La situation de l’Eglise, la destruction de l’Eglise, vient de Rome. C’est le Pape Paul VI qui l’a dit lui-même : il assiste à l’auto démolition de l’Eglise. Mais il en était aussi un agent ! C’est bien lui qui a accepté toutes les réformes du Conciles, c’est bien lui qui a fait ce Concile dans lequel il y a des principes qui sont contraires à la doctrine de l’Eglise."
"...Alors il faut faire un choix. Il faut apprendre ce qu’est la crise de l’Eglise. Tous ces gens-là ne savent pas ce qu’est la crise de l’Eglise. Ils la croient bénigne, une petite chose, un petit rhume des foins, comme disait le Père Maritain… Mais c’est autre chose. C’est notre foi qui est en jeu. C’est un renversement des valeurs. Ce ne sont plus les valeurs catholiques, on enseigne plus les valeurs catholiques. Ce n’est plus chrétien, ce n’est plus catholique. C’est maçonnique, c’est vraiment une révolution à l’intérieur de l’Eglise. Le diable a fait son coup de maître : il s’est servi de l’Eglise pour détruire l’Eglise ! Il s’est servi des autorités de l’Eglise pour détruire l’Eglise !"
You see actually listen to the NOVO'S ordo mass... the fruits of the earth work of human hands...then listen to the original... you see.....able...kane....do..you..get..it
Yikes. The audio of Father is muffled. Very frustrating and difficult to hear.
My friend, I’ll rephrase it for you: “This content is excellent and I would love to support it. How do we donate to the SSPX podcast apostolate? Let’s get the good Fr a decent mic!”
As long as core beliefs are respected one is a "true christian" not a pawn of corrupt popes or pronunciations of a corrupt church. When in doubt scripture is the best resource for all of us.
Wrong. The perennial teaching of the Church is the sure guide, not sola scriptura.
The SSPX are true Catholics...the post Councillor Church is not.
The FSSP = SSPX ?
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