The toxic and dangerous history of fat positivity & NAAFA
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- This video goes into the long history of NAAFA, the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance. I hope you enjoy!
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0:00 Intro
0:31 Background on early fat liberation
2:55 Definition of fat admiration
6:59 NAAFA date
8:49 Demographics of NAAFA members
10:41 Sexual atmosphere of NAAFA social events
13:31 Dimensions magzine and pandering to fat admirers
18:00 The story of Zsalynn
22:07 Stories of Dimensions other models
28:51 Money NAAFA made from Dimensions
32:36 NAAFA in the 2000s and 2010s
34:37 Fat acceptance was not created by fat women of color
36:02 HAES and fat positivity
41:39 Relationship between fat liberation and Encourager community
44:57 Outro
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"If everyone was fat there'd be no war. No one could pass the physical" I......I think that might be the only genuine point of FA that I can't argue against......
That one certainly made me think. 😅
Won't stop other countries from taking advantage of that though.
@@keelalewis629 yeah but if it's like everyone on earth
@Elé Vanac realistically, none of our enemies are going to think getting fat is a good idea. They'll just see it as an easy opening
@@keelalewis629 it’s not a realistic argument nor is it meant to be. If all 8 billion people on earth were morbidly obese, war would be difficult to wage.
Why do we not allow anorexia and bulimia sites but allow fat acceptance sites? I don’t support either, but BED is a real eating disorder that needs to be snipped at the roots, with therapy.
Because people don't want to be mean to people who have issues. A slim woman isn't quite as oppressed as a fat woman, in their eyes. So it's fine to stop your heart using food, but using cigarettes is bad... Or tl;dr people suck
Plus, I used to go on the pr0 ana forums in the 90's & 00's & we had a zero tolerance approach to perves lurking around trying to hook up with emaciated girls. There's certainly horror stories of real world 'photo shoots', but they were few & far between. Pr0 ana is bad, but the members are fully aware they're not right in the head & try to discourage wannarexics too.
@JanetSnakehole28 exactly. I’m very young so I wasn’t alive during that time but because I study psychology I know of those sites and I wish more people understood that it’s not just sick people trying to make each other sicker, but harm reduction advice and recovery was always encouraged (but not forced). One of those things where, they don’t want people to get sucked into it, but if they already have it then they don’t want them to suffer in silence and loneliness (because family and friends will never fully understand).
All of these sites exist
@biski exactly. Not looked at them in a very long time, but the original 'lifestyle not a disease', pray to Goddess Ana' stuff hasn't been a thing in years & the vibe is very much 'yo, take a calcium supplement occasionally' & 'look after your teeth'. I think it's because OG members that are still alive & still unwell are now jaded 40-somethings with life experience & feel a duty of care to younger members, so there's a Mr Miagi vibe, only it's horror stories about pitfalls of certain behaviours, warnings about certain behaviour, mythbusting/scambusting, etc. With fat acceptance, everyone is out for themselves by the looks of things.
The line between FA and fetishism is wafer thin. The attraction many of these men had was not about loving the whole woman who is fat, but loving the incapacity of that woman
Oh please, you people call everything "chasing" and "fetishizing".
Well said. It's essentially a power and control dynamic that underlies the whole fetish
ok but plenty of men are exclusively attracted to thin women & nobody accuses them of having a fetish or only loving the person’s body. preferences are normal as long as you don’t fetishize. i feel like the line between criticizing fetishism of fat people & saying fat people don’t deserve love is thin as well
@@trashketchum9782 In my opinion dating as a fat person can be equated to dating as a single parent. You must look for specific red flags and test the waters if the relationship gets serious. Then ascertaining whether if the romantic attraction is to you, or... Well y'know what I mean. Admirers come with the package and it's specific to a group of persons. Those same men attracted to thin women may choose to leave them if they gain weight because they no longer find them attractive and when they throw a tantrum WITHOUT offering solutions, that's a fetishist. If your man decides to argue that he doesn't like you've lost some weight and you're already a big girl, red flag. That's a fetishist. The point is to read between the lines.
@@trashketchum9782 oh you think this doesn’t go the opposite direction? There are anorexia fetishists too. The weaker they are the better. There are certain people who want someone who can’t run away from them. It’s the same fetish.
Something I’ve always found “interesting” is how all the fat influencers you see publicly proclaiming how “they can do anything a thin person can do” are in their 20s or early 30s. You don’t see folks in their 40s, 50s, 60s…even late 30s out there public, active, dancing around in cute clothes saying “look how wonderful my fat life is”.
Because they’re suffering greatly, hobbling along with walkers, going to constant doctor’s appointments and may even have oxygen issues or be fully bed bound. That’s not so cute and sexy and fun on TikTok. The health issues kick in for however a life has been lived around 35. Not just obesity but all types of bad health practices. It’s absolutely unhinged to see 23 year olds who’ve yet to suffer the consequences of their terrible diet and lack of exercise condemning fat women in their late 30s for losing weight, when the health issues are coming fast and frightening. Shaming others for trying to *save their own lives* because it disturbs the delusion that you can be obese and healthy.
@gildedpeahen876 I have a sister who is in her early 60s and is morbidly obese. She has undergone three knee replacement surgeries due to the wear and tear on her joints. She has high blood pressure and diabetes, but still eats whatever she wants, making no effort to lose the weight. In fact, she is awaiting another knee replacement (implant broke due to her weight) because the surgeons won't operate until she loses weight and gets her blood pressure under control. The kicker is that my sister is a nurse and should know better.
Word.
@@photoboyjet must be in the same vein as nurses who are heavy smokers. It’s a stressful job, people cope in unhealthy ways sadly. You brought up another great topic, which is the bankrupting of America due to medical costs from obesity and related issues. The price gouging from For Profit hospitals/medical systems is already probably going to be the death of our country, but with over half of adults and 2/3 of kids obese, the cost is going to skyrocket.
Most of the super obese don't live past 40. That is why you don't see any "old" FA women.
It’s the same with drug addicts. You don’t see a lot of drug addicts in their 60’s and 70’s because they usually died out before that or get clean in their 30’s or 40’s. The same goes for obesity. Either the person dies early in life or they end up making changes before that happens
So these men chose their life partner based on a fetish and chose not to see them as a human, as their wives and mothers of their children. They’re sick and i’m 100% kink shaming them.
It's really messed up.
I have a perfect wife who accepted and indulges a kink that I have, but it played no role in my pursuit of her (I didn't have the guts to tell her directly until well into our marriage.)
Most other fetish people are very meticulous about the well-being of their partner.
The misandry is crazyyyyyy
Talk about long term planning. It's like something from the movie "Se7en". It's twisted.
@@mikeroagreschen5350 Good for you, for having the guts to finally tell her! I'm sure that since she's cool with whatever it is, it has had a positive effect on your relationship in general 😊
It's extremely important to be critical of kinks, idc what anyone says. There's way too many kinks based on misogyny and violence against women/femmes, they don't exist in a vacuum.
Thank youuuuuu THIS. Gender liberation doesn´t start at sex parties.
"femmes"??? Don't be nasty, men who get aroused at imaging themselves as girls are dangerous sex pests that harm woman and children and force society to participate in their fetish or else face punishment. Why don't you go protest for the basic human rights of the child rapist in Vancouver who got out of prison and spends his days hanging out in the family changing rooms of a water park watching little girls undress? Seems like your kind of people.
It’s like some people believe kinks should all be shielded from any and all criticism. Nobody wants to talk about how many women are murdered from “bdsm” but a lot of those guys would openly be commenting abt wanting to hurt women and put them through pain and wanting to see them cry. Then everyone is all pikachu face when they abuse and kill women
@@imadeyoumad7078 yes there are definitely abusers in the bdsm/kink communities, really i'd say that people who are abusers that are not kink-identified still fetishize inflicting pain & violence. Pretty much until domestic violence became officially disapproved of & relationships were supposed to be egalitarian, women being submissive & husbands beating them was to some degree normalized...sure if a man was excessively controlling/violent, left bruises etc than he'd get some disapproval but then the rest of society would expect them to get counseling & stick together. And most importantly keep it hush hush. So yes, while I don't think BDSM is inherently abusive, you have to keep examining the cultural influences around it, psychological/emotional issues etc. It definitely shouldn't be above criticism but neither should other forms of sexuality.
"no kinkshaming" is such a funny concept to me. like imagine punching someone and your defense is "no, don't shame me for that!!! bc I like doing it!!!"
“Fat can’t be beautiful if it means I can’t be there for my daugher” that’s why my mom lost weight. My dad had died when I was really young, so young I don’t have any memories of him. My mom watched as he died and she couldn’t do anything to stop it from happening. She fell into a deep depression. She had already had issues with food, she had been overweight her whole life but after this it got 10x worse. As my brother and I were growing up she was gaining and not being able to be involved in our lives. She realized that if she continued on the path she was walking my brother and I would have to grow up without a mom and dad and she couldn’t do that to us. I’m 20 now, she started her weight loss when I was in late elementary school early middle school. She lost over 100 pounds and has kept it off for over 10 years. Due to her weight she now has blood pressure issues and heart issues that will affect her for the rest of her life. I will forever be against fat acceptance bc I nearly lost my mom due to her being obese. They are encouraging people with mental health issues to slowly kill themselves and labeling it self love. It’s evil. It’s so evil
Dang, I hope everything is fine for your side, I can't imagine what you felt through that, and I agree, I'll also be against these utter goons because I would never want any of my loved ones be wiped out over this
Very good points, sadly they don't seems to think or care about stories like this.
@@teijaflink2226 nope, these goons will only try to make themselves seem like the more opressed ones and deny this kind of awful stories
Yes, it is pure evil. They are destroying women for a sexual fetish 🤮
Well done on your mum, losing all that weight 🎉 it's not easy.
They should have pressed charges against the sick man who trapped that woman in his house. How is that not holding someone hostage with extra steps?
I think it would be very hard to actually prosecute. It's not like she couldn't leave anytime (until the point she physically couldn't 2 years in), also hostages who can't move wouldn't have cellphones within arm's reach to call for help. There's no evidence that he force fed her either, but he did keep a steady stream knowing as a food addict she couldn't resist.
Well all he has to say is "there's the door she's free to leave anytime". They can't prove he was holding her against her will.
Yeah that was horrible. I feel so sorry for that woman.
imagine a jail when the only thing that keeps you in, is not being able to WALK OUT THE DOOR...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They need to lose some weight WTF
Being a feeder doesn't seem to be about acceptance or attraction but control, cruelty and abuse.
At the very best, it can be defined as a very codependent and dysfunctional dynamic. At worse, I totally agree with you.
It's very much so abuse
These women are being exploited, kink-shaming is based. Society shouldn't "encourage" this kind of self-destructive behavior
I love kink-shaming. I'll kink shame all day. If a kink negatively impacts my life in anyway, even minorly, I'll gladly shame it. All hail kink-shaming!
kinkshaming is always based af, bc people will just call wanting to abuse or exploit others their "kink."
My New Year’s resolution this year was to do more kink shaming.
Heck yes. Kink shaming ftw. Don't want to be kink shamed? Keep it in your room.
Shaming is not okay, but harmful behaviour shouldn't be encouraged either
It's a shame modern Fat Activists won't watch this or take it seriously. This was really well done. Comment for the algorithm
If they take it seriously that means that they would have to admit what they are saying is wrong, and they don't want to admit being wrong so they ignore real facts and replace them with feel good "facts" that reinforce what they say
100%!!! Best comment! Both comments!
I was once a fat activist. I’ve been unlearning a lot this month. This wasn’t an easy watch, but I watched it all. Sometimes, we are just people in a really cruel world who want to find a place where we can be free. I thought I found that in those communities, not knowing how much I was hurting myself. Maybe if the world was kinder to fat people, we wouldn’t believe this kind of behavior comes from a place of love. And I say that from experience
@@Quirkyloveroseeperhaps. The world is not a kind place, to pretty much anyone, at this point. And yet, we still have to be responsible for ourselves, our lives, choices, behaviors and emotions. I applaud you for putting in the work to do that for yourself.
@@Quirkyloverosee "Maybe if the world was kinder to fat people..."
The world is a terribly unkind place to everyone, except maybe pretty girls and rich people (and both of those groups can no doubt tell you how bad it is to be them, too). That kind of thinking is just making excuses and rationalizing. It does not help you.
Glad to see you back! I'm happy I got out of the fat acceptance movement, it was killing me! I'm 23 and in early March just after my birthday I reached 300 lbs. A week later I started the weight loss surgery process, got the gastric sleeve and now im at 238 and can fit a size large shirt! I still have a LONG way to go, and I'm glad I got the help. This movement is killing people, and I didn't want it to kill me. I hope more people don't get sucked in.
Why do more and more people think they can't loose weight without surgery?
@@CordeliaWagner it's a tool. It's better to try and lose weight before using it, but it's still a tool at the end of the day
Good for you, hope you feel peace today and every day!
@Cordelia Wagner because I tried everything else and nothing worked for me! And it was NOT an easy way out either, 40 days straight of liquids and purees, and multiple stages of food reintroduction is no joke
🎉 congrats on your journey! This is majorly impressive! Be proud
“If everyone would were obese, there would be no war. No one would pass the physical” that caught me off guard😂😂😂😂
Ikr! That dude was thinking big picture. 😂
If everyone were obese there would be no one to pick the fields, and thus no food, thus we would have thin people again… after the famine that is.
The even funnier thing is that this has become a reality.
No I looked it up I can't pass that but I'm going to get some exercise but never will be able to pass that
@@trevorrogers95famine no I don't want that we will all die
The way they don't realize calling everything fatphobic
makes fatphobia seem less bad is astounding.
EDIT: Im "fatphobic" too, I just meant they'
re using something they consider to be so horrible stupidly.
Nobody fears fat people.
Fatphobia is an empty buzzword. Nobody cares about being called fatphobic.
That word was a joke since its origin. I’ve never heard anyone in real life use the term “fatphobic” without it being the punchline of a joke. It’s always the crazies on social media preaching this bs.
this happens with every phobia and ism and ist
Just like "triggered" and "ableist" were also overused to the point of ruination. As someone with PTSD, I can't use either of those words anymore to describe my symptoms or discrimination. It's ridiculous that these people don't see what they're doing to their own preferred language. Not wanting to eat cake is not "fatphobic".
I remember reading about these kinds of guys years ago. They were called "feeders" back then, and it was considered a form of domestic violence. Calling out domestic violence or harming another person is not kink-shaming at all.
That was the word she couldnt say, I knew it
It is OK to kink shame. It is okay to shame people with sexual interests if those interests are harming their partners. It's okay to do that even if everything is consensual. Consent is not the only line between moral and immoral behavior.
That includes feederism. It includes many other dangerous behaviors we're being led to believe are harmless.
Compassionate words for a self-professed goblin.
@@lithelilybut the thing is, this isnt a kink. For these men, it's a fetish (kinks are like spices, you can add them as needed, but they arent a must. Fetish is like the ingredients themselves, you need them to make the meal in the first place).
I would say these people are past the point of shaming, they need serious help from a professional, just like (as an example) pedos
@@kristelbrok998kink is just an informal word for paraphilia. We used to call it perversion. We should still. It doesn't specify the degree to which you feel compelled by it.
This is an amazing historical overview. It's kinda crazy to me how much of this was archived
Luckily for us, NAAFA was a very technologically advanced organization. Mostly thanks to Conrad who was great with computers. So they have more digital records than almost any other organization from the era.
@@funtietimes this is random, but has anyone told you that you sound like Emily Artful?
That's one of the three main reasons I love internet archives.
1. You can find many interesting sites or blogs from your childhood for example, that have been deleted.
2. Trying to Streisand your way outta something usually backfires just like it did back then.
3. It's possible or at least easier to find no longer existing sites like these, which makes it harder to sell fake narratives
@@emilyau8023 I think she sounds like Genevieve Gluck!
I'm so glad to see someone discuss this topic respectfully. I'd argue that kink shaming is shaming someone for what they're attracted to, which they don't control. But to say "This practice, which you absolutely can decide not to partake in no matter what your attractions are, is harmful" is not shaming. It's just shedding light on how some people are willing to harm others for their own sexual satisfaction.
what makes you think one has no control? People absolutely have the control. This is not a sxual orientation.
@Ragepig How much research have you done into sexual fetishes? The psychology shows that these attractions are extremely difficult to erase, and hasn't produced any surefire methods to get rid of them. What I'm saying, is that even if someone has an attraction which they cannot control, they CAN decide not to engage with it in ways which harm others.
@@ragepig1059
There is a difference between kink and fetish. What you're thinking of is kinks - behaviours that people like to engage in, but that are optional, so to speak. Fetishes are baseline, in that in many if not most cases the person in question cannot achieve sexual satisfaction without the fetish. The people that write lover letters to and get married to serial killers probably aren't doing it just for kicks. It's much deeper, and much more complex than that.
@@ragepig1059You can control whether or not you act upon it. But you cannot control that you are into certain things.
I find these studies uncompelling. Addictions are very hard to erase, but the person has to make the choice to engage in the behaviornin the first place and to continue to engage in it. Look, i wont debate with sxual papers, in a patriarchy. There are literaly studies that say that men and women is nothing but a figment of our imagination, nowadays, science can tell us that. So kinks and fétishes, whatever you want to call it, are not the same as a sxual orientation where we have to accept everything and not judge anyone because God forbid we use our judgement to understand the world: no we can't even see if the sky is blue better ask the government scientists. If they say it's red, then dang it, it's red.
These days men especially are addicted to pron. Pron use is linked to fetishes and kinks. It's deviant sx behavior caused by .... deviant sx behavior and the normalization of such behavior. Which is exactly what yiure doing and what those studies are doing. WORST CASE, keep it private. How dare you go into public with deviant sx stuff yiu probably get of on spreading around and DEMAND that polite society "not kink shame you". Deviant behavior right there.
I used to read the blog of a man who became a widower at 26, when his wife who was also 26 passed away from multiple organ failure due to being over 600 pounds. I was always so disturbed by the way he would write about her, and their relationship. It was obvious that he was using and exploiting her and helping her get larger, because while they were married (2 or 3 yrs I think) she gained significantly. Then after she died, he used the situation for his own personal gain, maxing out credit cards in her name to buy toys like gaming systems and TV's and building a "Man Cave" so he put it. Of course, he's used this story for sympathy and victimhood points as well, but I was always very disgusted by his experience because clearly didn't really love her or care for her. She was a means to an end for him. Whether that was the fetish and/or financial or both. It is so troubling and sad to me the lengths some men will go to satisfy their fetishes and the harm and damage they do along the way.
I have always suspected that it's not only sexual. But it's financial as well. You can't arrest someone that encourages his wife to eat herself to death. Even when they are a benefactor of her life insurance. 😩
A lot of the people on my 600 lb life seem to have partners that either see the fat woman as a partner that can't run away , a fetish object and / or a meal ticket (disability benefits)
Exactly. Sooner or later, that woman is going to see the light b/c she’s bearing the brunt of the consequences for their “relationship.” And when she says, “Gee, I’m really miserable, my whole body hurts, I can barely walk and we have these kids that I’d like to see grow up…”
that man’s response is basically: “Phuck dem kids! What about _meeeeee?!?_ ” 😭😭😭
@@attitudeproblem6462 These types value their orgasm over the woman's own health and quality of living, even her own life. It's selfishness and sexual priorities taken to an extreme degree, to the point it becomes a force of human destruction.
“But the sexual Revolution was a good thing!!!!” Said morons across the US.
The only positive thing I can see coming from modern BoPo and Fat acceptance is that maybe the women who adhere to it will develop enough self-confidence and self-esteem to avoid falling into the grasps of creeps like Gina's and Debra's husbands.
Fat or not, you do not deserve this treatment. It isn't "love".
If you look into people who left the movement, it's actually quite the opposite. Once they start actually loving their body (or, god forbid, have a health-scare), most want to start losing weight- resulting in them getting shunned, because "this space isnt for them". Usually this really throws them off
@@kristelbrok998 I know.... I know it mostly is surface level and performative "self-love" because I don't really believe it's possible to be over 250 lbs and feel comfortable in your own skin. But they claim to be, so I can only hope it is somewhat true so they don't try and find validation from such deranged individuals.
@@hypnoteapot Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
the lack of love in these women’s lives is so heartbreaking. the acceptance of this conditional love, especially contingent upon their LACK of health is so sad and telling. Seems to indicate C-PTSD and the admirers are taking advantage of that
edit: typo
i totally agree. it's about male pleasure.
If you're 400lbs, you lack self-love. You can't find healthy love when you hate yourself to begin with. Eating yourself to that size is a sign of self loathing and/or trauma.
When you remember that cults pray on the emotionally vulnerable it puts into perspective what this movement really is. Right down to the sexual exploitations.
Deliberate weight gain is often a defence mechanism in those who suffered childhood abuse.
Desperation makes for strange bedfellows.
The feeders behaviour is like encouraging people to indulge in a drug addiction because you think it's hot. It's retty awful.
That's actually it's own separate, disgusting and tragic kink community lol
@@anguishedcarpetplease, tell me you just made that up...
There are women, and men too, who are turned on by their own weight gain, love the feel of their fat, & can only get off when stuffed to the point of discomfort with fattening foods.
@@gabrielavillanueva3606 No it's real. If you can think of something, someone out there has kinked it.
@@anguishedcarpetthis is fake,right?
No one should bully others for being fat, but fat people are not health. I’m fat and 25 and I have the knees and lower back of a 45 year old. Take it from me! Make a diet plan, work out (don’t do a lot just be consistent), count your calories and do not eat heavily processed foods! Went from 300 to 250. You guys deserve to live a better life!
Good work, don't give up.
Anorexia and Bulimia is so rare - meanwhile half the country is obese, we're ignoring the real problem that's right in front of us!
I know what you’re trying to say, but I do want to add that 9% of the worldwide population is effected by restrictive eating disorders, which although isn’t nearly as much as those who are obese, is still quite substantial, and not at all rare
@@mossyteef I agree that it is important to point this out too aswell!
@@mossyteef you are correct. The rarity of anorexia and bulimia is looking emaciated. Most don't look that way.
Throw orthorexia into the mix. Very big in the Vegan community. The obsession to “eat clean”, “cleanse” and the consumption of funky woo “superfoods” and “supplements”.
@@ms.ellenlevy5667 most bulimics aren’t underweight interestingly.
Regarding the kink and consent thing... even if full informed consent is given at the beginning, doesn't a major factor of kink stuff include being able to withdraw consent immediately? Like safe word stuff. Instant stop. Even if a gainer withdrew consent later down the line, it's not an instant reverse. They've done irreparable damage to their bodies. It's a long, slow, painful road to recovery. And there's no guarantee they'll get there.
It’s just disgusting… it’s total control over someone else body: a man saying how you should look and giving you “love” only when you are and do what HE WANTS. the principle is absolutely disgusting and abusive… the “kink” is just an excuse… it’s not a sexual game for them… it must be true, in real life, all the time, they must have total control over that person. Evil men
@Mara Alexa Agreed. I remember watching that documentary about Gina about 10 years ago, as a teenager. I think it scarred me for life! The extent these men went to to make these women feel only valued when they were gaining, like their size was a trophy for the men. And creating a spouse who literally cannot escape you and is utterly dependent on your continued affection. It's horrific.
not just kink, vanilla sex needs to function like this too.
i kinda wonder about where the line should be drawn... because other kink activities can do permanent damage to your body too, like stuff that inflicts pain that can cause lasting damage.
@@BlisaBLisa I think we should draw the line at what would be considered an "Injury" under legal terms. Bumps and bruises might go away, but a broken arm?
They say “fat admirers” and “chubby chasers” are “problematic terms” rather than problematic people/behaviors. This is an important distinction.
They, and their defenders, never stopped to think about _why_ they feel shame for what they do, and react the way that they do when someone points out their misbehavior.
I've seen the 2003 documentary. It's horrifying, what happened to her was horrifying. Young super morbidly obese people don't understand that at some point, in order to continue to live, you have to face the binge eating anyway and what you are left with afterwards (I was, but no longer am, super morbidly obese) is rough. I spend time online in forums talking about what I've been through and ways to stop, get help, and change lives. Thank you for the hard work, now I have a place to point to with concrete evidence told well and concisely.
What's the name of the documentary?
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It’s called fat girls and feeders documentary. Fair warning it’s very disturbing.
Wow. This was an eye opener... How many people are being kept literally trapped in their own bodies by "admirers"? It's a form of kidnapping in a way... It's terrifying
I was thinking the same thing, that ‘Fat Liberation’ was an oxymoron when these women were being literally trapped in their bodies, trapped into selling their images, and in one instance quite literally detained as a prisoner inside the guy’s house. There’s nothing liberating about any of this. And it’s only gotten worse with the arrival of the internet.
As much as I did NOT enjoy listening to some of this, it was really well done. It's honestly scary stuff and the more you look into the whole fat acceptance/liberation topic, the scarier it gets.
It's crazy to think this stuff - which I didn't even know about until semi recently - has been going on for decades. It's nothing new.
Great job on the video though. Your content is always appreciated 👍👍
6:22 Dude I'm a kinkster, and I 100% agree. Your kink crosses a line when it actively harms another. We don't tolerate that kind of thing in the scene.
As a fellow kinkster, i agree and its sad that these women got preyed upon like that
100%
Real!!
Had never heard the word "kinkster" before.
@@mikeroagreschen5350its pretty common language for the bdsm community.
It has been noted that a lot of very overweight people (particularly women) have histories of severe psychological trauma in childhood. They are very vulnerable to exploitation
“If everyone was fat, there’d be no war. No one could pass the physical.”
That… is certainly a take.
I guess we have to give ‘em that one, but god DAMN 😓
Except that whichever country didn't do this wine and imposes their will on all the other countries. To avoid this the other countries change to slim down.
Did you find a Terri Major in the list of supersize models? If so, she died of obesity in her fifties. She was a NAAFA affiliated professor at Olympic College in Bremerton and taught that obesity was healthy. Her successor is HAES and is now apparently house-bound. The successor is heavily into BDSM. Terri mostly seemed to just self-harm. Both argue for the complete eradication of “thin white woven.”
The head of the Bremerton NAAFA chapter also died of obesity. They were/are deeply unpleasant people to be around. I developed an ED due to their bullying. Last year, I finally had to stop and go back to my real size. I just wanted to fit in and have some kind of job. The only thing I got from it was loads of health complications, the worst being afib.
Anyway, thanks for trying to expose this anti-scientific fraud scheme.
I think I found the obituary of the person you're talking about. She was 68. Not saying her weight didn't contribute to her death (when you're that big and that old it's kind of hard for it not to) but yeah
26:56 Paused to read and it was an update by her husband Mark describing her death. It mentions her extreme pain and the mass accumulation of fluid on her lower extremeties. I cant help but feel that him and the other fetishists were getting off on those things. Its a F.A.'s dream that they will eat themselves immobile. I saw when the personal ads flashed up earlier too, that a guy was asking for a bottom heavy woman. Even in death this woman cant rest because hordes of weirdos are getting off to the thought of her sick, helpless, and in pain.
That’s so sick and I feel so bad for her 😔 He 100% didnt see her as human, even after she died he fetishised her
With the accumulation of fluid you describe, it sounds like she died of heart failure.
There was a confessions post on reddit by a man who admitted that watching his obese wife die was the greatest orgasm of his life. He claimed he felt bad, but he was planning to meet a new woman and do it again.
Feederism is about hatred of women. It's just the coward's way of abusing and isolating someone. They get the same results of the woman's self esteem being crushed, but can convince themselves they're still "nice guys".
After watching the documentary, I think Mark should be in prison
And that's why your ancestors think you're nuts for saying "kinkshaming is bad".
I didnt watch all episodes of My 600 lbs life - well, not even close to all - but I did watch a lot of the earlier episodes and Zsalynns stories was always outstanding to me because it seemed to be the only episode that explored a lot of the underlying issues. It also was the only episode (featuring an enabler) that was able to do so because everyone in this episode was honest about their motives.
Also, Zsalynn is one of the few people where I could honestly believe that she once was a happy fat girl. Can't say the same for Marissa Matthews or Virgie Tovar.
Your videos are so informative! They definitely help me because my friends are falling into the trap from this movement. So it's nice to get really good information from this channel to help them realize the harm that will come to them
Once they hit 30, it really sucks being fat. 40+ and it might kill them. Early on in life the body can take a beating without you realizing it. But it will come back to haunt you
Me too. Many of my friends in are recovery from eating disorders and some are falling down the FA rabbit hole because they think it’ll help them recover. I don’t think many people realize that these FA creators use a lot of ed recovery and bopo hashtags which exposes vulnerable people in recovery to their content.
Sure Pete, ''friends'' of yours are falling into this trap. lol
@@adamweisshaup My two closest best friends are falling into this trap that they're destined to be big because that's just how it is. I have to hear it among other things that don't make much sense, but our culture says it's okay
I think even if the feeder and feedee think they’re engaging in mutual consent at the start, eventually the power dynamic shifts to where the feeder is in control. Its especially apparent in cases where the feedee gains so much weight, they become immobile and dependent upon the feeder for their most basic needs.
@@chickenduckdog7281no, the person who can't move and gets fed to death is the slave in that dynamic lol
You know it’s a weird day ‘n age when people hardly bat an eye at the phrase “morbidly obese” despite “morbid” being a term that’s literally about death and grim stuff. It’s as if people don’t care about things that are dangerous/lethal these days, cause all they’re concerned about is feeling validated.
It’s wild that Dove affiliated themselves to NAAFA considering the dark history of this organization. For any other brand that would be marketing kryptonite.
I think brands are gonna start being a lot more careful about this stuff.
the organization is run by all women now and is advised by people with phds. This is a very dark history but I think the organization has made some big steps against this.
Not that I buy Dove products as a general thing, but now I will actively boycott the brand.
@@DebraBakerls You say that like they aren't still enabling and encouraging people into early graves.
@@annalieff-saxby568 Once I saw they opted to embrace fat acceptance and hired on an openly racist spokesmodel who decided to ruin someone's life for clout, I decided I'd have to start buying the much more expensive locally made soap.
It’s not a kink or a fetish, it’s abuse to on purpose make your partner so unhealthy they can’t even take care of themselves 🫤
yes. it's so disturbing.
@@gorlwatcher1405 They haven't mentioned any husbands that left their wives after they got sick of taking care of them when they become too sick/immobile etc. At some point even if you have a thing for it, it won't be sexy anymore. And sex gets too difficult or even dangerous for one or both parties!
I'm not a fan, I discourage ANYONE from getting into this sick kind of co-dependence... But it's inherently not "abuse", if the "abused" person is a consenting adult CHOOSING to be "abused".
It's "abuse" if you DON'T want to eat, but your partner refuses to hear it, and keeps feeding you against your will (a pretty physically challenging thing to do)... But I doubt that's whats happening, 99% of the time...
There's no shortage of people (in relationships OR single) who are obese, and over-eat, by THEIR OWN choice. If some guy gets off on that, and helps facilitate it, that's unhealthy and mutually dysfunctional. But it's not "abuse".
Same way that if you tie up or slap your partner AGAINST her will, it's "abuse"... But if she WANTS to get tied up or spanked, it's not.
Fat people are responsible for THEIR OWN choices, just like everyone else. Even the self-destructive choices.
That IS the kink. They get off on being the more powerful in a relationship, seeing their partner helpless and knowing they assisted in that and there isn't anywhere or anything their partner can do fills them with arousal
Yeah, that's a kink.
That's why mindlessly chanting "kinkshaming is bad" is a bad thing.
This isn't just an excellent video on the history of fat acceptance but arguably an excellent piece of scholarship on the topic. I think the transcript would be acceptable as an academic paper. Your time away was really well spent.
Regarding the attempts at linking fat liberation's historical origins to anti-racism, I wonder whether you'd be interested in reading and making a video on Sabrina Strings' "Fearing the Black Body: The Racial Origins of Fat Phobia". A lot of the kinds of arguments that I've seen people make about fat-phobia and racism come from this book. Although, it's worth noting that, at least from my reading, Strings was only successful in showing that Black and African cultures have tended to be more accepting of "thicc" women (but nowhere near 500+ lbs.) compared to white Europeans. Which would coincide with an interesting point I'd come across about how a reason that was given for the lack of ethnic diversity among early NAAFA members was due to how minority ethnic/racial communities were more accepting of fat and obese women, thus making less of a need or incentive for those women to join an organization like NAAFA.
I would recommend a video by SamAtEverySize that discusses that book if you want to see some more opinions on that book.
@@krahvata Thanks for the recommendation.👍🏾
Will check it out.
Second that recommendation. It's not just one video, it's a series because she takes it apart in detail, from the point of view of someone who did a degree in history so understands historical sources.
Also moticed in one of the clips Funtie shows there was a bibliography including the Strings book but also one I've not seen discussed, ever: "the Belly of the Beast" which seemed to be on a similar theme. I was wondering whether to suggest either Funtie or Sam or both to have a look at it - I'm a bit curious why one is referenced by almost every fat activist while the other is not. Wonder whether that means the "beast" book is more academically honest or less so than the "fearing the black body" book?
@@kxs7267 Hadn't heard of "The Belly of the Beast". Thanks for the recommendation; will check it out.
Regarding why it hasn't gained as much popularity, I think it might just be because it came two years after "Fearing the Black Body", thus it might be difficult for it to gain as much prominence as a text that's already attained a status as a classic in fat liberation discourse.
Funtie has said in another video that this channel is more or less a hobby for her.
But yes, she is extremely intelligent, well-spoken, and logical.
Cindy G, the woman you referred to who died in 2009, was 41 when she died of an infection.
There's a book about Bulimia called "Hungry Ghost" ; they made the tasteless choice of putting "find a nutritionist trained in HAES (Health at Every Size".
Anyone going who has just watched this video know what a disgusting statement that is. It says "here, sublimate this one eating disorder for another."
This isn't surprising as the whole book we are told and shown how much happier and desirable the protags overweight friend is with zero inkling of future repercussions it will have on *her health.*
It's pure propaganda disguised as a support for young teens with EDs and frankly it's disgusting.
I did a quick search but I'm still confused about the author. If she had any kind of experience with the topic she should know that people who are afraid of gaining weight, to the point that they will do unhealthy things to stop it from happening, don't really want a "professional" in their lives who would see them not only gaining weight but becoming morbidly obese as a "success".
Some of your best work yet! You were the first FA content creator I ever came across. It was because you weren’t cruel, or had intentions of shaming anyone that made yr words more meaningful…this was haunting
I want to hear the names of the black queer women who started the movement. If we can name Conrad, we should be able to name the pioneers.
They don't exist bruh', that's the point.
He is the pioneer, because guess what, it all started because men were horny for fat women. That's the sad truth and now it's an excuse for people to stay fat.
Whoosh💨
You just noticed the racism without realizing it was *_racism_*
Hint: It’s a racial straw man. Think-sibling breaking a lamp and when the parents get home he blames it on his sibling who doesn’t even realize they’re being blamed and the parents don’t ask them because they don’t like them as much because the lying sibling has been blaming them for problems for years without question. Kinda like that but in a systematic kinda way.
Hope that helps.
Have a lovely day.🎭🕊️
It’s crazy because when gay rights advocates talk about queer black people starting the stonewall riots, they name names like Marsha P Johnson. The fat activists never say a name. Not once
Oh damn 😅
Death doesn't put up with anybody's BS or delusions. When it shows up at your door, you're going with him regardless. The ultimate practitioner of equity.
CONTENT FOR MY WORKOUT TOMORROW MORNING AYYY
OMG YOU LISTEN TO HER VIDEOS TOO WHILE YOU WORK OUT??
This might be crazy but I listen to her videos to fall asleep 😭
I save her vids for workouts too haha
Based
Inspiration to not be fat for me when I work out
You forgot about Elizabeth Morris Fisher of "Elizabeth's Travel Scoot" and the petition to make extra-long seatbelts. She contributed columns to Dimensions magazine, and died suddenly at age 56.
How do you know so much about Dimensions?
@@funtietimes I used to read all things fat-acceptance related, including NAAFA and DImensions forums, starting in the mid/late 1990s. Been fat for a long time, what can I say. Never fully bought into fat acceptance, though.
PS it is terrifying to think that measured against the average life span of a woman, these creeps managed to steal 30, 40 or even 50 years from their partners. Dangerous.
I was involved in a 'health at any size' believing friend group for many years. Finally I realized what I was doing to myself and have lost 80 lbs. Never felt better.
Yaaayyy ur back 💛
EDIT: wow, this video is a wild ride. The most in depth analysis of this topic I've seen yet. I'm a 600lblife fan, and even remember Dr. Now's early Discovery documentaries. Zsalynn's always been one my fave, and her desperation and motivation makes so much more sense considering the environment...
I remember that!! I always wished more of the surgery was still shown once TLC started with the stories of the actual people.
As a warning to encouragers, I saw a story in "The Weekly World News" about a man who was smothered to death when his wife rolled over on top of him in her sleep.
It's how he would have wanted to go.
@@His-Most-Catholic-Majesty😂
Lol
Idk how "kink shaming" became something negative. It should be. I dont have to accept degeneracy.
Yes guess they never heard of snuff films before
I guess it due to how ‘kink-shaming’ is linked to BDSM which has been regarded as some sort if gross activity.
Ironically BDSM in this regard is usually against these sort if ‘kinks’ due to how they break the rule in which you should always have a limit,especially with regards to stuff such as masochism and sadism with rules such as ‘safe words’ needing to be established before anything else.
@@Mialikesthings I mean ideally a healthy relationship should be one in which both partners are getting some kind of pleasure from the act (and even then there's always supposed to be a limit). Otherwise it's just plain old abuse. Aside from that there's something disturbing about doing this under the pretext of civil rights activism. I mean obviously there's a long history of LGBT activism involving BDSM but in those cases they weren't using the activism as a lure or hiding behind it.
@@etanaedelman9011 True.
Unrelated, but the guy saying we need to get fat to stop wars was onto something, both US and China are currently struggling with finding recruits because so many of them are overweight. A visionary.
That doesn’t really solve the actual root issues of war though, the hatred and tension is still there
@@KingOfGaymes it’s a lot harder to send troops into battle when you don’t have any troops tho
I don't think Putin's struggling with an obese pool of potential recruits.
@@bad-girlbex3791 well no but he is struggling with a pool of alcoholics with absolutely no morale lol
I have a weight issue, 230 at 5'6 (female) looking to get under 200 by the end of the year. I was at 280 so I took a chunk out of it. My end goal is 180 so let's gooooooooo
I was 270 at my heaviest. I am also at 230 now. I feel so much better!
@@samanthawhitehead148 280 was my heaviest, I was 21 at the time, I have my whole life ahead of me, I didnt want to die at 50. Sadly I have metabolic syndrome because of my food addiction (high blood pressure/high cholestrol/ diabetes) But maybe if I get to 180 and lose 100 lbs I can get off most of my medication. This is MY LIFE I am fighting for. Currently 23 So I am still young. WE CAN DO IT BESTIE 🥰🥰 I believe in anyome who says they need/want to lose weight. We just need people to say "Good job! I believe you can do it, you are strong enough to do this"
@@samanthawhitehead148 What you lost is Impressive!!! High five for the 230 club hahaha 🤗
@@mywrongopinionslol7096 I needed this. currently trying to loose weight Do you have any tips?
@@NerdyThumper Ummmm with my conditions I had to go extreme. With my diabetes I do limited rice pasta and bread. I just eat a lot of meat roasted, air fried, pan seared (with only as much oil as necessary) and no sweets (except for very rare occasions like my birthday when I'll have a cupcake and a cookie) I have a high protien, high full fat diet with very low carb. That's the best diabetic diet. Basically it's just cleaner eating, I like to cook but when I can't I just get thw hughest protien foods with the littlest carbs.
Kink shaming is okay and even good if the kink literally kills people
If I'm ashamed because someone finds out about my kink, that's because it's either wrong or I shouldn't have been flaunting it in front of other people.
@@stevenschnepp576People don't find out about people's kinks just from flaunting it. A lot of people keep kinks private, but vengeful partners or other poor-intentioned people spill the beans.
Shame is not purely an act of personal conscience. It is informed oftentimes by a lifetime of social conditioning around sex. People are often ashamed of completely innocuous fetishes because of this.
@@stevenschnepp576 I disagree I would be ashamed if everyone found out any preference because to me anything sexual is private and not a thing I want everyone to know about.
Where’s all the the smoking, drugs and alcohol positive sites? Where are all the people supporting them? Let’s show the heroine needles, cigarettes and a guy passed out and make it positive and tell people it’s all good. Because it’s not, just like obesity is wrong and harmful to the body, just like all addictions
I’ve grown up surrounded by fat people in New Orleans (good food here.) As a kid, I didn’t really notice body shape.
Right before high school some fat kids started insulting me for not being fat. That same year, I watched one of them completely fail to climb a loft ladder.
It inspired me to take gym class more seriously.
That just sounds like a Twilight Zone episode. Scary stuff.
Makes me think of the 2008, animated movie Wall- E. It's futuristic and scary, great in sight but probably accurate. We all live on another planet because we've destroyed Earth and everyone is floating around on some sort of hovering disk because the population is obese. It's a sick F@#@#@# thought. But it is seemingly very possible at the rate all these fat people and feeders justifying their sickness.
Zsalynn's story was so good to hear, I'm so glad she chose to turn her life around! I know it wasnt an easy choice or follow-through. It's also heartwarming that she chose that path in part because of her daughter. My mom's case wasn't nearly as extreme but I know she chose a healthier lifestyle for me as well
I am fairly sure that "encouraging" is a form of infantilising; "providing" for them, taking care of them while helpless, watching them "grow"... And then there is the "babyish" look that fat women can have with their roundness. That this is sexualised just makes it a hundred times more icky. 🤮
Interesting take! I can see that being the case sometimes.
I think they just get a sick thrill watching women slowly kill themselves in a particular way (likely influenced by a childhood or teenage experience that sparked fascination with fat). No different in substance from men who get off on women starving themselves to death. The dependence is commonly a key component, but I don't know that it's fundamentally distinct from the garden variety abuser's desire for control. Some may be naive enough to actually believe obesity is health neutral, but most of these encouragers don't buy that and would only say that to make others think they believe that and so think their motives aren't as sick as they really are.
Just use the actual word this is ridiculous, people
@@SirDeanYawl Did you not watch the video? Have you spent any time in youtube comments? CZcams censors a lot, and is very keen for people not to talk about certain topics or use certain words. Word substitution is used in a lot of topics in youtube comments, and on other social media as well to try and get round this so our comments are not automatically deleted or hidden. Yes, it is ridiculous, but its a ridiculousness that youtube mandates.
It’s about control. About owning a person and controlling everything about them, their body, their life. I don’t understand how anyone would think that's love. It's horrific abuse.
Oh my gosh! I listen to your videos when I'm doing my hair and makeup in the morning. I was just lamenting to my partner that I literally have seen all your videos and I need some new ones! Can't wait to jump in
this weird thing about never criticising kinks is SO strange to me. and half the time all i can think as well is just, dont go around telling random strangers your kinks then? like if i see some ddlg post where someone is confessing to finding the idea of being a father figure coaxing (grooming) his infant daughter into sexual acts hot im going to call you weird, and also i didnt need to know this like outside of parts of the Internet for discussing kinks i dont see why you'd talk about it 😭 found random tiktoks about piss kinks, i hate it
sorry if this made no sense 😭😭
@@hfs-b No, it made perfect sense. The problem is this brainless idea that's infested our (online) culture that any shame is bad and it's wrong to point out someone's moral failings.
If everyone was fat the physical test standards would be lowered. It would not stop war.
And you don't need many actual troops when war can be fought by guided missiles and unmanned bombers.
I know it seems silly, but informative deep dives like this are helpful and good for the population. Good job 👏
people should be more kink-shamed if anything.
make kink-shaming a thing again
Kink shame all the way. I’ve been saying that since day one and I’m glad more people are saying this lol. Some things shouldn’t be acceptable.
Kink shaming is good and we should all do it
Normally I'm a live and let live sort, there's nothing to complain about if you keep your kinks to places where they belong; once you go outside of that, however, flaunting your degeneracy in public around people who find it uncomfortable and thinking you're free of criticism because of some bogus reasoning, that's when you've not just crossed the line, you've stamped it into the mud.
@@lololuv2012 Even if it’s a kink that isn’t dangerous but just considered weird, if someone has the right to self-expression to freely indulge in their kink, surely I have the right in terms of my own freedom of expression to not have to like it and be allowed to be critical of it? Freedom of expression does not equal freedom from criticism. I’m not saying be cruel or anything like that, but I see nothing wrong with politely calling out things we see as weird.
I remember when my ex-roommate talked about how hot our new neighbor was and how he had a thing for redheads and their „passionate tempers“, I just asked if he didn’t think he was a little old for her (19 and 29)? And of course he was annoyed, but it‘s not my job to make someone feel good when they’re being inappropriate.
@@evan12697what is kink shaming
Wow this video was really insightful and I can tell you put a lot of work into it. Thanks for the info. The truly sad part is the people that really need to see it are too deep into their cult to watch it.
'Encouraging' is predation. As was mentioned, a large percentage of the members were emotionally vulnerable and therefore could potentially be exploited.
To derive personal pleasure out of the decline and debilitation of another human is horrifying in my view, no matter in what way and with consent.
There are f*tish realms where things are done to people but there are safe words and a general acceptance of boundaries and mutual respect. But 'encouraging' someone to the point of being bed bound and losing most their autonomy, functionality-wise is awful.
Jalynn is a strong woman, and I wish her continued success. Shes a fine example of persistance and self-advocation in an abusive relationship.
As someone who went to the extreme of having an RNY gastric bypass just to get my life back from being 400lbs I cannot, for one second, understand these people at all. It hurts being that big, it's incapacitating and destroys quality of life. I didn't acquire a lifetime of consequences doing the surgery for fun or acceptance, I did it so I could enjoy the use of my body again without being restricted and limited by weight.
This kind of sexual repression is insidious. It takes an astounding lack of empathy to slowly kill someone for your personal gratification, but a lot of fat people aren't so much victims as they are willing participants in their self destruction. I didn't just lose the weight, I lost the entire mindset that links obesity to hostility. (I recommend looking up the link between the two) The codependent dynamic of these encouraging/gaining relationships is clear.
There's a reason the NAAFA exploded like it did from 1983 and beyond ... because of the death of Karen Carpenter. This freaked out a lot of people, and they felt inclined to take things to the other extreme. The thing is, being extreme is much, much easier than approaching things with thought and care. But doing the latter is indeed the better approach. Be raised in a family that overdoes everything, I'm painfully aware of this.
I’m a survivor of coercive online HT. This… is the same thing. Any sort of activism should not include singles clubs, dating services, or soft or hardcore porn. When any other entity exists as a front for stuff like this, it’s deemed HT. But this gets a pass?
they all died of Fatphobia, of course./s
"Encouragers" are sick bastards. They should be publicity shamed. The "security" is that they can treat the gainer however badly they'd like because the gainer can't leave.
There's an Australian horror movie called "FEED" that's all about this.
It's one of my favorites.
Great video! Well researched and informative.
Thanks & Cheers!
💖
I borrowed the DVD from the library back when it was relatively new, popped it in the DVD player but had to make a run to the bathroom before pressing play, leaving it on the menu.
I hear a woman's voice wailing "Feeeed me!!" while I'm in there and it scares the crap out of me. 😱
Oddly enough, I was reminded of "Wolf Creek". There's not much difference between "a head on a stick" and "a head on a mattress", when it comes down to it.
@LMvonLebkuchen I can't tell you how many times that beginning scene and the screamed phrase, "I want to be eaten!!" have instance to flash across my mind.
It’s a quite funny film in places. The dude who runs the SSBBW website has a drop dead gorgeous and elegant Chinese wife, which is ironic. Just shows he’s in it for the money.
There are certain sort of "kinks" that most definately need to be shamed. MAPs are one and these are another
Another reason that some “fat acceptance” people don’t want their partners to lose weight (that I believe is often overlooked) is that they are fearful that once they start losing, they will become attractive to other people.
This was the issue with my sister and her husband. He liked her being fat because he thought he was “safe” and she was “trapped”. It allowed him to treat her like crap.
It's hilarious to think how his world would be tipped upside down if suddenly a thin fat-attracted guy (not the creepy type) would start cheating with her.
It's not an uncommon phenomenon for a woman to lose a lot of weight and/or actually get in shape and then start cheating on her husband once better options open up.
Not that he's justified - dude could try stepping up his game instead.
It‘s so, so low-down when someone doesn’t want their partner to feel better. This literally happened to me and I wasn’t even fat. I gained 5kg due to depression, was still a totally ok weight but not super happy with it. When my depression finally started improving and I went back to the weight I was when I first met my ex, he was noticeably upset. I was beyond disgusted when I realized he valued his petty comforts over my literal basic quality of life. He truly would have preferred me to stay depressed, because it made me too weak to push back against his emotional abuse. It was all about control. In the end, I guess he was right, because I left him once I found the strength and self-respect to leave the abusive relationship.
"Encouragers" terrify me. These are men who would be more than happy to "encourage" me to death.
We live in a real language dystopia. Accurately describing morbidly obese people is "bigotry," being morbidly obese is "healthy," encouraging and enabling obviously unhealthy behavior is "love," speech is "violence," and even talking about this lunacy is "hate."
It's like they read _1984_ as an instruction manual.
@@stevenschnepp576 Exactly! Words have no meaning and literally everything is subjective. There is no such thing as "truth," "facts," or objective reality. This is the very definition of a dystopia.
whenever they say that we don’t react with the same disgust at very thin people that we do at very fat people - i was raised in naturalist education system and this is very easy to explain by our reasoning: let’s say a healthy weight is 100lbs (just for the sake of using an easy round number). if very thin is 75lbs, that’s a 25% difference loss. but if very fat is 400lbs, that’s a 300% gain. we’d be just as disturbed if the 100lb person LOST 300% and was still alive i assure you
100 is healthy tho
@@alolannassieit really depends on your height
@@shart8008 god it woukd be so awesome if no one coukd reach over 100
@@alolannassie At this point I'd say you are trolling, part of the problem, or just ignorant as to what is a healthy weight. 100 is not healthy for a lot of people for various reasons (their height, age, muscle mass, to name a few ..)
Ah yes, my favorite type of video: fantastically done and mildly terrifying
I think its bad not to talk openly about feeding. Many young girls feel loved for the first time, and do not understand that theyr partner has a sexual fetish
i appreciate the time, effort & emotion that went into making this video. i have seen one of the relationships up close & personal. the “gainer” finally broke free. it has been a beautiful thing to witness, the self confidence & self worth gains are palpable.
Why are so many men interested in obese women? I don’t understand the biology behind it. Aren’t people usually attracted to traits that indicate health, like clear skin, symmetrical features, toned body, etc? Genuine question
Vulnerability might be a reason.
@@Link-1004 I wondered about that. Some of the 'encouragers' sound like they literally want a woman who they can physically control, who won't go away or challenge them in any substantial fashion.
That's also very confusing to me since obese women look a lot older than they are and that's not very attractive
From a biological standpoint, it could be something to do with more fat has always meant more good food supplies, maybe it’s something ingrained in them deep down?
Historically, fat women were supposed to be more fertile and/or produce more breast milk, so they could be wet-nurses.
This video NEEDED to be made and you did a great job. Kudos!!
Kinks shouldn’t be killing you.
It's honestly insulting when they try and compare being fat with being POC or LGBT+....like NO! You CHOSE to be fat by consciously overeating by large amounts over an extended period of time, watching yourself get bigger and bigger. The difference is weight is a choice.
Also the way the say like "fat rights" and "fat liberation"...uh, fat people have never been oppressed
Im so happy zslynne lost the weight and got rid of the dead weight (her husband)
Encourager is “feeder” and gainer is “eater,” for those confused.
Thank you for covering this. There needs to be more awareness around feeder fetishists, especially due to the morbidity of the "fetish" (can one call true evil sadism a fetish when the other partner is not equal now consenting? not in my eyes)
I think it's just abuse at that level.
As Sun Tzu wrote in The Art of War: “Be ruthless to your enemies. Kinkshame them at every opportunity.”
OMGz. I knew the backstory behind NAAFA but you did a superb job of putting everything together with a ton of resources. This was terrifyingly eye opening.
Listening now and will listen again on my Saturday run. Your channel and a couple of others have been really helpful in keeping me motivated to get the weight off in a slow healthy way.
I wonder why it never occurs to anyone that both being emaciated and being obese are unhealthy. In all of the arguments of "fat vs. thin", people who are a medium height and weight are conveniently ignored, as if you go straight from 110 to 300 pounds.
For most women, 110 lb. is nowhere near emaciation.
Thank you, as always, for the work you put into your content and thank you for the long vid.
Imagine joining a movement started by chubby chaser feeders that would 100% encourage their partner to eat themselves to the point of death to fulfill their own fetish and calling it empowering.
and then trying to claim that the movement was actually started by queer disabled fat black women 😂
Look at all the time and effort we have been blessed with!! THANK YOU ❤
very excited to watch another long video of yours, thank you for your hard work, hope you have a nice day
I went into this video assuming that it was just going to be more of the same ripping on body positivity, reiterating the health implications, so on and so forth, but it was actually deeply education and barely touched on what nearly all similarly titled videos do. Well made video
I’ve been waiting for so long for a new post! Perfect thing after a bunch of exams!
A small part of me always hate how much America hates smoking and even smokers personally when obesity is clearly the bigger problem (pun intended) and no one seems to care.
It may be because everyone needs to eat. But no one needs to smoke. When you don’t smoke and have to breathe in others second hand smoke it can be absolutely disgusting. I don’t have to deal with other peoples obesity. If you’re going to bring up health care costs I do understand the frustrations there.
Smoking is Def worse
Wtf? Smoking is way worse than obesity on every level. The fact that "america hates smoking" so much is because it used to be a way bigger issue, the same as obesity is now, but thanks to social change and education smoking has become a lot less common. The same thing should happen to obesity.