HiFi Rose CLASS OF ITS OWN RS150 High End Music Streamer DAC REVIEW
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- čas přidán 25. 05. 2024
- This is my video review for the HiFi Rose RS150 (b) Music streaming DAC which is a fully featured music streamer offering access to streaming services like Tidal Qobuz and others like RoseTube, Internet Radio Spotify via Spotify Connect. Its full MQA Compatible and Roon ready.
eng.hifirose.com/rs150
Its important to point out I have the (b) model of the RS150 which features a ESS Sabre 9038 Pro DAC Chip and not the AK449EQ
To buy the RS150B from Crutchfield in the US link here howl.me/cisfYkHNUA3
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Chapters
0:00 Intro
2:04 Sound Quality
3:58 Ease of use
4:44 App
5:58 RoseTube
7:03 Flexibility
8:05 HDMI
8:52 Upsampling
9:33 WiFi
10:05 Aesthetics
10:40 Screen
12:00 Negatives
14:16 Final Thoughts
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well a friend of mine uses that rose on a very expansive set ,magico s 7's ,pilium monoblocks ,pilium pre amp ,shunyata cables and i can tell you that it sounds unbelivbly good ,very rich dynamic and very detailed ,real huge soundstage but most important is the synergy with the system ,sorry can't find a single bad thing to say ,its that good .....
If you want a warmer, smoother less forward sound presentation with less energy on the top end then select minimum phase slow roll-off. Slow roll-off will lower the energy up top and, fast roll-off will increase treble energy and add more sparkle up top.
Seeing the Mission speakers in the opening scene, I knew this guy would be worth listening to. I wasn’t disappointed!
His reviews are really good. I actually purchased a Luxman amplifier after I saw his reviews and sound tests. Top guy and definitely knows his stuff!
Thank you, Terry, for the excellent, thorough video review of HiFi Rose RS150b streaming DAC!..Definitely saving my pennies to purchase this toy...
So I'm 2 months into ownership of the RS150... music consumption up... Rosetube is a major part in that.. and that one word you used "fun" it is! it just wants you to use it more.. and it works.. zero issues with hdmi arc, zero connectivity issues, zero glitches. a huge wow factor to friends. Its a well sorted, great sounding piece of kit.
Damn you, Terry! Now I really want one.But I don't need to spend any more money. You already made me buy the REL S/510. Kidding aside (kinda), I am so very glad you reviewed this one. I had been eyeballing it ever since it came out. Now I know it may actually be worth the price. Thanks Terry!
I think it’s an excellent device.
In fact, I can’t understand streamers with no hdmi video output because you want audio and video when listening concerts and operas.
As close to the real event event as possible, that’s my opinion.
Excellent review as ever, Terry - thank you👍👍👍
I have the Hifi Rose 150b and ra180 amplifier, with dynaudio heritage special speakers, with tellurium ultra black ii speaker cable, XLR, interconnects, what a great sounding combination, a big thank you to you and your videos, money well spent.
I so enjoy your reviews! Your way to present is both serious as well as entertaining. Thanks alot for all that you deliver👌
The Rose will be a future purchase-- A+ review Terry.
Fascinating product. Thanks for the info 😊
Nice review. Glad you had the black version. You mentioned the Cary 700 Network Audio Player. Other reviews I've read and/or heard of the Cary Audio 700 (also the 650) stated they are anything but relaxed, easy going, or warm sounding.
I like that you gave a detail presentation about the user interface on the device and apps. And that is one of the point for me on choosing a streamer DAC. Besides that, the description of sound also easy to understand. Thank you.
Yeah i think that is especially important for a product in this category
I am Very happy with my Rose 150-B , I do watch a lot of concerts on CZcams plus I have 6000 CDs , I use a Merason Dac 1 with the 150-B this new combination replaced a Rockna WaveDream Net server and WaveDream dac I purchased new in 2018. The Rose and Mearson combination beat out the Rockna pair with shear musicality,,,,. highly recommend
Hi I just saw your message , I joined Telegram and sent a reply.
Great easy to follow review, kudos for bringing these new products to our attention. Comparisons to more mainstream DACs could be useful, DCS, Chord etc. Thanks for the great output.
Not an easy one to compare this becsuse the feature set is quite unique especially not to stand alone dacs from chord etc because its a different offering. I still think for overall performance seperates offer more but all in one packages are very popular and this is a good one
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I understand, I like the flexibility, interface and the CZcams/Rosetube option, but would it sound worse than my Hugo 2 or DCS Puccini/Clock? I guess I'd have to audition one. Appreciate the reply.
@@PhillTurner thats why I spoke the importance of sound quality and how different "similar" setups can sound different so that is all preference rather than better or worse.
Hugo 2 will be a better dac in isolation I would guess
I had the Rose on loan from my local dealer, i agree with you 110% on everything you said about the Rose,I also liked what you said about switching off the display enhances the sound just that little bit more. I always switch off any displays/lights as a rule of thumb. My old NAD M50 needed replacing, i had the Rose rs150b , Aria digibit, Auralic aries g2.1 and a NAD 50.2. home for testing. Based on sound only i ended up buying the NAD M50.2, Keep up the good work, all the best. :-)
Congrats on your NAD 50.2♥️🎶
Terry, thank you for your review of the Rose 150B; it definitely seems to have set out as a dreamscape of possibilities realized in a conventional apparatus but with a wishlist of options. I LOVE my black boxes so was awesome to see your review was one and went through some of the screen options. I'd be really saddened if had been a pretty box but lacked performance, like having a Red Apple iphone and listening through their ear buds and calling it audiophile sound. But I own an Aurender and can I ever see myself trying a Rose in my current 80hr x 2wks life, and sadly no. As it was though when I had to wait for a $3000.00 CD Transport to be a well taken care of $1000 Transport using the Coaxial out to a more uodated DAC, should Roses pop up on sites like Audiogon and Canuck, I might make the leap. However, if they are like Oppo 205's might be longer. Stay well and safe, and best to you. You are a reviewer of a few whose integrity is never in doubt. And maybe a review of an Aurender some day please? Getting a lot of time in use at Audio Shows these days.
An expensive source, but hats-off to the design team. Really nicely designed instrument.
Nice job Terry looks like a bit of a swiss army knife that one😁🎧👍
Thanks Terry, a great review of an interesting product.
Whilst the display looks pretty neat, in reality I would never touch it. As a roon user, why walk to the machine and get finger prints on the screen when roon controls everything you need on your tablet? Some pretty meters, but thats about it for a roon user.
Interesting use of hdmi's, more useful than the single hdmi on my Naim Atom!
I can see the appeal of this unit and hope it does well. That 'foward ' and lively presentation is not for me, but I apprecite it may be just what some are looking for.
Thanks again for your great review!
Thanks for the review. In my opinion MQA file feature is important.
Great review, Terry! How would you compare the RS150b with the Naim Uniti Atom?
It's not my cup of tea Terry but I enjoyed the review . The large screen is cool 😎 👍
Great review of a fun product, Terry! For me..I am augmenting my streaming situation over the next couple of weeks. I am old and an “all separates" guy. The killer for this Hi Fi Rose is cost outlay with that included DAC.
My new set-up will be Ethernet into a Pi2 Designs Mercury Streamer ($499), I2S to Denefrips Pontus II R2R DAC ($1700)…I am powering the Mercury with a good quality 12V Linear Power Supply found on eBay from China ($135) and have a short, high-quality HDMI Cable for the I2S transfer from the streamer ($125). …I have to switch to Tidal or Qobuz from Amazon Music for this streamer, tho …but I can work that out..I am going for the best purity of sound…so it will be fun to see how this turns out! There are soooo many paths we can take! 👍🏼
The cost outlay is justified if your using the rose in its entirety and then later its great to be able to add other products to it if you fancy a change rather than having to replace it so it is cost justified but maybe not if you only ever want one thing it offers. Good luck with your project bob
@@PursuitPerfectSystem YES..If you like the "modern" sound of the Hi Fi Rose and want a one-box solution it can make sense for many!…That screen is fantastic!
That's a really lovely looking streamer Terry and as usual a great review. I currently listen to Spotify via a. 4k fire stick app, which is fed to an old Chord 2qute DAC into my hifi. The sound is great considering its only 360 Kbps. I couldn't afford such a lovely streamer as this but I'm wondering if I could get Hi Res or cd quality sound through my LG tv Tidal app when connected the same way as mentioned above? As you can guess I enjoy using my TV screen as an interface.
You might be better off looking into an affordable dedicated music streaming solution, you dont need a streaming dac, just a streamer there are loads on the market new and I am sure used. Using the TV will likely hold you back despite the initial convenience of it.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem What music streaming solution would you recommend? I have a Denafrips Pontus II and an Audiolab 6000N that I like and think sounds better than the Bluesound Node 2i with the Pontus II. Would this be an upgrade as a music streamer or just lateral? I don’t think I’d use the DAC. I’d probably still run them into the Pontus II. I’ve been wondering if this or the Hifi Rose RS250 would be an upgrade or not.
I'd love to see a review of it's baby brother, the rs250.
very nice video your oppinion HiFi Rose RS150 vs AURALiC ALTAIR G2.1 vs nad m66 many thanks from GREECE
I dont think anyone has heard the M66 yet so maybe a question for the future
Any chance of a review with Alchris Audio Speakers ..
Based in Wakefield, I'm hearing great things with this group .
Great review as always ..
I didn't know they existed until I just saw this, I never say never but nothing planned atm
The competition is coming! You should take a look at the EverSolo DMP-A6 Streamer...
No 4k video but focused on music with a screen that looks a lot like the HiFi Rose !
And the price is a bargain ;-)
Great video, really enjoyed it. How does this compare to the all in one systems, like the Naim Nova etc
Thanks its hard to compare to the naims as they are streaming amplifiers, the rose doesnt have an amp built in
Oi! Did you say youse like favorite daC filter mode is "minimun phase fart rolloff"? Me mate down the local heard that too around them time 3:26. Cor!
Nice sum up of the RS150B! What was the reason you used minimum phase fast roll off? Am using linear phase fast roll of now. Gonne look into minimum phase fast roll of.
Not so sure about upsampling. Maybe cause of my MQA. Am tidal user and upsampling MQA doesnt feel natuarel. I hear few people mention screen of have better SQ, could be. I bought secondly for the screen.
But yes "Dirac"would be very intresting.
Keep up the good work
That was all personal subjective preference but I thought talking about it like this showed what settings I used and showed the features at the same time. Yeah i think upsampling and mqa probably doesn't make sense but doesnt cost anything to try
Hi there, great video. So my question is, can one use this unit without a mobile or tablet? Thank you.
Recently I bought a refurbished Denon PMA-QS10 Mk2 amplifier as the first step in a major upgrade. The shop let me test it in a high-end setup using a HiFi Rose as the source. Never seen one before and I was impressed. The app is intuitive, the soundstage and sound quality are impressive (so I know the Denon has that potential too), and in addition HiFi Rose has an active online community. However, the HiFi Rose runs on a modified version of Android 7.1 and that's limiting its life because of IT security concerns. Android 7.1 is old already, support will end soon and then you end up with an unsafe device in your network with full OS capability - a perfect opportunity for hackers.
SAD BUT TRUE!
@Stephen Buck Android7 is out of support, no OS upgrades of that version for any device.
hi terry. im thinking of purchasing one of these 150's . is it still one of the best sounding streamers? ill be connecting it to my ps audio dac mk2 when i get it. is there something else that would be better as i wouldnt be using the built in dac? thanks
You need to review an Aurender N20. It will change your streaming experience. I just picked one up and am using it with my Luxman D-10X. I think you'll be highly impressed.
The N20 is just a streamer not a streaming dac so its a different product, seems to have a nice screen though and its also 3x the price.
Am confused about its ARC In & HDMI ports - is the ARC to connect a TV (if so, why would you want to do that)? What's the HDMI port for - to send audio & video to your preamp/processor and/or TV? If so, should be labeled "HDMI OUT" .
I understand any external USB CD or DVD drive cam be connected and used to play & rip CD's (but not movies). I bought Rose's matching CD drive because of my OCD. But the USB cable it coms with does not fit the USB In's port, which my dealer said is for music (so hy does Rose's CD drive cable not fit that USB port?)..
I installed the dongle so I could use the supplied BT remote (my 150 is not in line sight). For me, it works really well that way.
Are these cool looking "analog" meters working when there is no preamp and 150b is connected directly to the power amp?
The app looks really nice, which is much more important than having a screen on the device in my opinion.
I'm not really in the market for one of these right now, I'm happy with the Auralic Aries I own. However, the video integration is an interesting function, although I wonder if it provides much higher quality than toslink from my smart TV (as the audio is compressed anyway).
Hifi Rose has Android based OS, right? There are serval music video apps other than CZcams, e.g. SFJAZZ and Berliner Philharmoniker, is 'rosetube' the only one supported? And does Tidal in the Rose app have video?
Yes~ Tidal video is supported
Thanks! How does this Rose 150B compare to the Naim NDX2?
First of all, congratulations on your presentation. I would like to invest in listening to liquid music and I have a doubt between the following options:1) Dac and streamer (es Accuphase Dac60 board and Auralic Aries G1) 2) Dac+ integrated machine(streaes Rose 150b or Gold Note Ds-10: which one? ). I have an Accuphase 280 amplifier and would like to make a choice in line with the quality and timbre of my amplifier.Which is the best choice? Thanks Gianluca
When your looking for something specific, its great you have made a short list from there you need to listen and compare for yourself itd essential.
@Terry
Did you get the chance to use it solely as a Streamer into an external Dac?
Was holding off for the PS Audio streamer, but looking like its not coming.
The RS150 looks fantastic, be using one (if I got one) solely as a Streamer into my PS Audio gear.
Price (to me) is worth it for the display and user experience. 👍
I didnt use it just a streamer sorry always with the internal dac
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Thanks mate.
Strictly from a sound quality perspective I wonder how this compares to similarly priced streamers from lumin and aurender. Uber expensive gear need careful consideration.
No matter what you are promoting all I look at are those gorgeous Mission speakers in the set up. I wish they were exporting to the US but not for several months yet according to a response to my E-mail.
The 770 are awesome i love them, i know manufacturing of them is in full swing so wont be long until they are available world over
I for one feel that you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned the fact that products such as this that are such complete sources, yet they forgo Dirac type processing (Stereo 2.2), is just a huge misstep in my opinion.
Dirac is still breaking hifi ground but it won't be too long I feel before we start to see it more
I agree it has to become the norm, with higher end gear .
I'd like to see a standalone Dirac component that could plug and play. I think minidisc has something but it looks complicated.
@@robmaxwell3678 Hmmm, more cables (power, digital in, digital out) plus any breakout box would need to process a full 16 channels (or come in two versions - 2.2 channels and a 16 channel variant). And does the box sit before or after the Preamp..., which may have processing of its own. So for me any 2 Channel preamp/preamp processor/preamp streamer/etc. just needs full EQ built in. But yeah, that's just me.
Can I connect the hifi rose to my amp by passing it's internal dac as I prefere the one in the amp. If so how is it done many thanks
Really want to know how it compared to the Auralic Altair G1 in more details particularly in sound quality? Thanks!
Thats a demo you need to do yourself to work this out
I have a question
Terry, what does the apple music app look like?
Does it also display like in the iPhone?
Thank you and please reply
I didnt test it sorry, I am not a user of apple music
I'd love to know if you or other commenters have compared this unit with the Lumin T3.
Is this product designed to be used on his own or it Can be connected to an av receiver, the reason I’m asking is because I listen to music through Bluetooth and my Denon 8700h which it sounds fantastic, if I get this product just for music then I’ll have to disconnect my home theater front speakers and connect them to the Rose streamer?
Bluetooth is lossy so its not a good way to listen to music on amything really. The rose has digital outputs so you could connect straight to the denon via a digial connection but that would be a waste of the rose dac section. Just depends on how you are going to use it but i think getting a dedicated music streamer for your system will be better than going bluetooth
I might bring this to my channel...still deciding
Didnt think it would be expensive enough for you Jay... 😀
Oh, please do!
Please do - I bought mine this Saturday, along with their CD drive and I look forward to moths of figuring out how it works, how to connect it to an Ipad, subscribe to music servicers, etc. Would love to view your review of it.
Q: Any concerns about its firmware long term ;10+ years) ?
How do you connect this to Roon Terry?
Lively, bright? Not for me. Thanks for the review. Very helpful.
Lively doesnt mean bright ben its different it means lively
Hello, I am new to this. Could this device stream internet radio ? and if so, what app is it using? could an app like UNDOCK be used with it?
It uses the companies own app which is called HiFi Rose and its free and you select what country internet radio you want and can listen to it
When the DAC in that is outmoded, in roughly a fortnight, and far better sounding and featured DACs are about the cost of a bag of crisps.....has it got an optical out?
How is this better than a Wiim or a compact laptop ,(if you like the pretty pictures) outputting to a Gustard R26 and leaving your pockets stuffed with a LOT of cash?
If you feel all you need is a wiim and a gustard for perfect digital audio buy that and be done. I know someone who felt the same and recently bought one of the apparent great measuring dacs and he returned it as he felt it sounded terrible so it’s not that simple despite what some say.
I think it’s best not to judge others I am sure owners of the rose will love it for what it is, pretty special stand out bit of gear
So a completely different chip but it sounds same. Doesn't that back up that they all sound the same?
Because 2 are designed to they all do? Thats never been more not the case than it is today
Sounds better with screen off..
Hmmmmm
Want to buy some high end Italian hand hammerred copper speaker wires coated with pure arabian silver, all cryogenically treated and magnetucally aligned.
Only 1000.00 per inch. A real bargain!
Lol
Interesting review...but that screen off bit ....hmmm
Say it as I see it
@@PursuitPerfectSystem fair enough....just be aware placebo effect is powerful.
At the end of the day...doing what makes you happy is all that really matters (as long as ur not hurting anyone)
Me?...I believe in science.
@@think2023 the science is the big screen pulls power and creates more noise in the system
Power levels dont affect digital signals assuming normal error correction....not saying totally impossible....like speaker wire claims often are.....just suspect its brain processing that is larger effect...like closing eyes.
@@think2023 might effect any part of the product including the dac stage. I have done loads of a/b sound demos showing how lots of things effect digital sound one of them being different linear power supplies so noise in digital is audible
hifi rose or nad m10 v2?
What brand of speakers are behind you with white face
They are the new mission 770
what software os does it use
OS Rose OS Ver 1.22.4 (based on Customized Android 7.1) off the website
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Android ??? surprising I thought it would be Linux os,
there's a vulnerability there having an old Android version, can you update security patches, can you update the os version?
@@hoobsgroove no idea sorry best to ask HiFi Rose about that
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No that is a scam i have tried to remove those comments and block the person doing it.
i have this streamer- very unstable software and app -it is just frustrating . very disappointing i i already considering changing it .....
Actually the "B" in RS150B stands for "Black". As in the color of the unit. The RS150S where the "S" stands for "silver".
Your welcome. 😉
Not according to the website spec eng.hifirose.com/rs150
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Yep, your right. This must have been a very recent change because a month or two ago, B was for black and S was for silver. Strange way to signify the change in my opinion.
@@thetrumanshow4791 i didnt know that I just looked on the site as part of my peoduct research and saw about it. Then asked the question are there two different versions available
I bought a Hifi Rose RS150 a couple of yrs ago...big disappointment...in the two yrs I have owned it there has been a ton of glitches with software and it's synchronization with the hardware...service and follow up is also an issue...way too many issues for a product in this price range...Qobuz app on an Android is definitely lacking as well...now my touch screen has gone dead and getting this unit serviced is a huge problem...so net result for $5K US it is not a great value on my view
This is for young people. 💿 cd.
I was referring to the sound, but point well made
Young people don't now what cd's are....;) Just kidding. About the sound i like a sound what is a bit forward and have some sparkling and i'm 50 years old and hear the high frequenties not so good any more
I prefer the bigger iPad screen….
are you paid
By who? By CZcams a very small amount yes and to make a living I have a number of sources of revenue including my website Dirac calibration work and video work for clients out of the industry. There is a page on my website that explains all this if you would like to know more. If your asking am I impartial I have reviewed kit from all manner of manufacturers not this is just one of them
finger prints? lol
I can’t see any of these screen based components having any longevity.
When was the last time you saw a screen fail in any tech phone tablet car tv the screen is a ultra developed technology
Overpriced toy...like many so called "audiophile grade" streamers. Just use a Apple 4K TV steamer or the like. At over $3,000, why does the sound quality change if you turn off the display?
You can use loads of devices to stream music, the user and sound experience will not be the same from each though, especially not when your talking streaming DAC's
Where are you seeing $3,000.?
The last time i checked the price here in the US is not less than $5,000. +tax