The Prusa XL has HOW MUCH LESS waste?
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- čas přidán 13. 01. 2024
- Comparing the Panda by flexi-factory between the Bambu A1 Mini and the Prusa XL!
Huge difference in time and waste!
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$460 vs $3,500 printer. This result makes sense.
you mean the cheaper one wins, i agree
@@mariospanna8389 I was thinking about the amount of waste, but you're right the print from the a1 mini did look nicer.
$4000 not $3500
Plus the larger nozzle and more stringing.
Absolutely right. So while it’s less waste you’ve prepaid 180rolls of filament waste with the prusa.
When you switch profiles on PrusaSlicer, you get prompt asking if you want to transfer your filament settings - including color. If you don’t see that prompt you might have chosen option not to show them, and will need to dig setting somewhere to get them to show again.
Thank you. I probably just clicked discard without thinking about it. I'll look for it.
I know we are comparing an XL(3500-4k) to an A1 mini(460) so with that in mind I'll take the A1 mini. Discounting size and looking at only quality is the XL $3k better?
How much waste would you need to produce to make up the difference? In this example its 148g on default settings.
so about 6-7 prints to eat a roll of filament.
Default settings
$3000 cost difference / $20 per filament roll = 150 rolls or 150,000grams
150 rolls * 6/7 prints = 1013 prints
You would need to print 1013 pandas (A1 mini ) to get to the break even price of of the 5Head XL before you print a single model.
With the price difference you could have several machines (P1S or X1C) churning out 2 at a time ,at better quality, all with the same purge amount per print job in the same 10hr time frame
An XL could do 4 pandas and a lower quality faster...
I agree if this is all you print, it's probably not worth it. But if you already have both machines like I do, I need to remember to check how long these smaller prints take. Thanks!
Great video as always
Thanks for sharing your expirences with all of us 🙂
Thank you!
(XL5 owner) Interesting vide but it's also worth considering quantity. I think you could get 4 pandas on the XL build plate, but the waste would still be around 13g, whereas with the A1 you would be well over 500g. From a commercial point of view this is a significant difference.
Well, that's incorrect.....
You're wrong. With the BBL, the waste stays the same if you print multiple identical models.
@@iDoPew The point he was making is that you can fit 4 pandas on the XL but not the A1. The A1 would likely fit one (maybe 2)
@@Kosaro1234 Ahh.. that might be. Well.. "from a commercial point of view" buying three X1C's instead of one XL would be the best move ^^
it would produce 4 times the waste and take 16 times longer if you cant only fit one on the same build plate for the BBL.
You can change the colours of the extruder shown in PrusaSlicer just click on the little coloured box beside the filament name.
Ok thanks!
As a XL owner I started to deactivate the purge tower and it works great.
So next time you compare try to deactivate the purge tower. In most cases it works perfectly.
🤔 would be interesting to see if a “purge as fill” mode could be implemented.
…even the Bambu could benefit from this sort of approach to reduce waste by repurposing it as fill.
@@AndrewPlumbfor the prusa mmu there are settings for that. Wondering why bambu didn t copy that
I am having a little trouble with my purge tower on long prints so I did try without it. I was surprised I didn't see any issues. Thanks!
@@tada3dprinting on of the reason for the purge tower is to prevent underextrusion after comming from the parkstation. But I never really saw underextrusion as a result of that in the final print and for PLA and PETG. Maybe for tpu could be an issue (not yet tried without purge tower)
Besides the waste (which can be optimized with calibrating flushing values and optimizing the flushing g-code), the A1 Mini is the clear winner. Quality, ease-of-use and price point. The Prusa XL is not standing a chance in my opinion, in that specific comparison.
It's not just the waste (which can be considerable. The XL is also much quicker (on most colour prints, and can do multi material prints....which is why I bough my XL.....for now there is no alternative.
I think they both are good machines for different things. It really just depends on what you are printing. I was just surprised at the comparison on this print. Yes I do need to play with the settings on the Bambu. Thanks!
Did you do flushing volume calibration in Bambu Studio? I typically use 0.4-0.5 multiplier and it saves A LOT of filament in purging.
I as going to say that
I ran them both stock. I do need to play around with the setting on the Bambu. Thank you!
Any other tips on how to reduce the waste I’ll receive mine p1s tomorrow so looking forward to avoid waste
@@MrKillua16avoiding multicolor prints altogether… sorry but it’s true. Apparently the newest Prusa XL firmware and config can allow to print without a purge tower and someone printed something that came out pretty well… that’s cool I think.
The comparison between both printers is great. thats really helpful to see
Thank you!
Honest question because I’m a bit confused and not the first time I’ve seen this. Why would you need a wipe tower if you have multiple printheads on the prusa XL? Doesn’t this mean there is no filament changes so no need to purge anything? Also, it might have been nice to see a direct comparison with the same size nozzle. Thanks for sharing!
Prusa recommends still have a wipe tower. The nozzle oozes some as it moves into position. So this is wiped clean. And also I believe they talked about it needing to get the right pressure. You can print without the tower and just wipe into the infill. But you may end up with some blobs or color bleed. Thanks!
I also see a big difference between my Prusa XL and the Bambu X1C. I am still experimenting, but had a bad experience with the .4 nozzle on the XL, I tightened the screw too much and crimped the tube on a couple of the nozzles which caused them to jam. I also realized that you should do the calibration over. I'm back to the .6 nozzle and am just about finished with the SUMO enclosure. Both are good printers and do a good job for what they are designed for. The Prusa will do filament swaps faster and with less waste, but it is much more expensive.
what kind of issues do you have with 0.4 mm nozzle? I used 0.6, 0.4 with no significant issue. I am printing mostly functional parts however a 4 times Benchy 2 colors with 0.6 nozzle came out gorgeous. In just about 6 hours. Prusa XL excellent for such a big prints. What I found is the quality of the filament matters with higher nozzle diameter.
@@gaaZolee I tightened the set screw too much and crimped the tube
Yes they are both great for different things. I was just surprised by the difference. Thanks so much!
I have two sets of nozzles for the XL and have had a great experience with the .4mm ones. I hope you give them another try. My multi material prints (PLA/PETG supports and TPU with PLA supports) have been really good with .6mm and were amazing with .4mm.
@@grepmonkey I'll try another set. I just finished the SUMO enclosure and am printing a large test in ABS - hope it works and can open up high temp plastic
How can you compare a $450 A1 vs $4000 XL, They are completely different. XL with dedicated filament heads, verses the A1 with only 1 head and requiring purge to clean out the filament before running the next. Actually looking at the prints. I prefer the A1 over the XL in this examples. I know the XL was 0.6 Nozzle vs 0.4 on the A1
I wasn't planning on comparing at first. Just trying to check out the stringing on my XL. I agree they have very different setups and can be used for different things. I just need to remember to use it for small prints too since I already have both printers. Thanks!
Really unsure but as I shared before, printing full beds with 0.6 nozzle and getting nowhere near the stringing you are getting… sorry!
And would like to see 0.4n vs 0.4n comparison.
If you want even less waste on the XL do enable sparse layers, but do note then you need to position wipe tower away from object so there is no collision.
Yeah I am still fighting the stringing. I was going to get a bunch of Prusament but they're out of almost every color. Ok thanks!
It's been obvious for weeks that something is wrong with her Prusa XL and meanwhile the bambulabs fans are happy about every stringing complaint
That's a considerable difference in both time and waste. As you say the more filament changes the bigger the gap between the two technologies will get.
Out of interest.l...what time would both printers take for a single colour version of the print? I assume the bambu would be quicker than the XL???
From other videos I have seen the Bambu X1C is about 0% to 20% faster (depending on the print) then the Prusa XL in single tool head with both using input shaper and a 0.40mm nozzle.
The Bambu should be faster, but you also have another challenge - bed size. Some things you can print on the XL or other large printers that the Bambu just can't.
@@woodwaker1 at the end of the day if you want single colour prints, the bambu's are hard to ignore (although I am more than happy with my mk4 ). Also if you want to print an occasional colour print the bambu also make sense (because of the cost difference). However if you want to print fairly regularly in colour the XL is the ONLY choice imo. Also it can print in multi materials, which the bambu cant. Also as you said the XL has a considerably bigger build plate. My XL (2 head version) will be up and running in the next day or so....really excited ;)
@@woodwaker1 If you really need large single color PLA/petg/tpu prints you can spend far less with other printers.
Single color
You get about 2 of those prints on an A1/p1or x1 series for 4-5 hrs
on an XL it's about 6-7 hours for 2 and 14 hours for 4 per plate.
@@TDax That is definitely not ture the bambu can print multimaterial. They even sale specific support interface material.
Are you still using the stock settings straight from prusaslicer, or have you tweaked them?
Stock settings. I tried out some other settings and things got worse. Thanks!
Which one is faster printing the same model with better quality, Bamboo x1 carbon - Prusa XL - Prusa MK4 both with the latest software and IS?
The MK4 doesn't have the MMU3 out yet. But I would imagine the X1C would be faster than the A1 Mini. I'll have to look. Thanks!
I can’t recommend the .4 nozzles enough on the XL.
Same. I also quit using the purge tower and now other than the initial purge lines I print 5 colors with zero waste. Currently printing some tool holder mounts in PETG with TPU print in place inserts. Working flawlessly.
@@vp3dprinting860 Esp. combining TPU with other materials is something not possible with the Bambulab printers. That only works reliable with seperate printheads (toolchangers or IDEX).
However, I just ordered a RatRig VCore 3.1. There is already an IDEX upgrade released (I might add it later) and as it uses klipper you can add an Enraged rabbit carrot feeder. Also I ordered the 500*500 size. At this size you can reduce the waste produced by filament changes a lot by printing multiple onjects on one plate. With Idex upgrade also real multimaterial is possible (f.e. PETG+TPU) - and of course dual colour without filament change. So over all, this seems to be the best compromise if you want to build the printer yourself. Imho the VCore 3.1 seems to be the real competition to the Prusa XL at the moment (for tinkerers).
I'll have to try it again. Thanks
the XL print looks a lot shinnier. Was there a big temp difference? I would run it on the XL if i had the option too, but its just too damn expensiveeee
The PLA preset for XL with input shaping runs at 230C, a fair bit higher than I’m used to running PLA at. Works well however!
I wasn't saying anyone needs to purchase this machine. I just was surprised at the difference. I haven't really been running small prints on it. Makes me think I need to. Thanks!
@@tada3dprinting nono, I wasn't saying that that's what you were implying. If I had the funds, I'd definitely get the XL in addition to the X1C. I avoid multiple color prints because of how much filaments it wastes, but that also kinda defeats the purpose of the ams
Higher temps and slower speeds will make it shinier. Lower temps higher speed more matte.
Well, I suppose my question is how much filament will you have to run though an A1 before you make up the price difference on the Prusa XL? The lower waste on the PXL isn't meaningful without the break even cost on filament.
That variable but in long run you pay more upfront to save money later on the XL, on bambu you save up front to become more costly in the long run. This is only when it comes to multicolor or multimaterial
@elchavode6479 You are on the right track, but you've missed the actual question. When is that break even point, and is it within the useful life of the printer?
I think that's a good question. But it's difficult to answer because I print so many different types of things. I only buy a new machine when I already have enough profit in my business to cover it. So to me, they're both paid for. I'm more interested in what's my profit for the amount of space they take up. And juggling what's the best to print on which. Thanks!
The break even cost is about $3000-3500 worth of waste in filament. Which, depending on your prints can be a long way off.
That could be 150rolls at $20(adjust this to your cost of filament) rolls of waste or in the case of this panda is 1013 pandas on a A1 mini or 3000 pandas (3 per plate) on a A1(non mini) for a $100 increase in the cost of the machine. $460 vs $560
This is before the XL prints a single model. So it's the break even cost of the XL without filament or calculating it's (minor) loss in filament per print. For that calculation the XL can fit about 6 pandas per plate.
3000 pandas is about 500 print jobs on the XL (16hrs per print) 333 days
3000 pandas is about 1000 print jobs on the A1 (14hrs per print) 583 days (3000-3500 saved)
3000 pandas with 2 A1 printers 500 print jobs (14hrs per print) = 291 days (2500-3000 saved)
3000 pandas with 3 A1 printers 333 print jobs (14hrs per print) = 194 days (2000-2500 saved)
You can quickly match the XL in volume with adding another A1 for $560 and beat in total time with money saved.
Basically if you spend the same amount of money on the printers as the XL you would have over taken the XL volume with just 2 printers, and anything beyond that adds more volume.
It's about 150,000grams of waste after printing 3000 of those pandas. This is *before doing any purging tweaks* which could net you another 40-50% in yield which would be 4200-4500.
in some cases you may never reach that amount to break even of purge depending on what you print or how you print it.
I hope this helps.
@No0o0o0o0o0 I fiddled around with the math myself, and I came to the same conclusion: You'll probably never break even on a Prusa XL. The waste thing is a red herring, especially if you tune it.
The Prusa slicer fill function can leave holes, which makes it look like little blobs. Take a look at the 3d printing Nerds video. He gives a good explanation. As far as waste, even mmu1 had less waste than bambu. I wonder If can use an ooze shield instead of a prime tower with the XL.
Ok thank you
I think bambu will address the waste issue. There are some easy perform software fixes. E.g. pulling the filament a little bit back before or improving flush settings etc...
There's only so much you can do when switching between high contrast colors though
Yes I'm sure you can improve it. Just trying to run stock settings. Thanks!
From what I've seen from videos only, the Bambu produced way better multi coloured prints for a long time. Currently, however, I think Prusa has closed that gap between the Bambus and XL to negligible. I have now printed several multi coloured prints with my XL (stock 0.4mm nozzles) and they are great! I made several comments on social media about the waste single extruder (Bambu AMS, Prusa MMU) coloured prints produce and got a lot of pushback. all that wasted material is money in the min so...
Yeah I know there are things to minimize the waste but the XL definitely has much less. Thanks!
3hrs vs 10hrs is insane!
Right? Thanks!
Interested to see how much less waste you can get and time saved by by tuning the flushing on the bambu.
There is even a little retraction GCode hack that results in needing to flush less because some of the unmelted filament can be pulled up before the cut happens.
Played around a little using other videos as a guide and got a lot of bleeding/mixing in the middle even with a prime tower and flushing to infill.
To avoid waste with a AMS it is best to print multiple copies of the model, use large layer lines and tune the flush to save filament.
Not sure if you are doing request videos but I'd like to see multi material print using PLA for the model and PETG for supports (or vice versa) and setting the support z distance to 0.
From what I understand you can get really clean overhangs that way. I guess you end up with 2 purge towers since PLA and PETG do not stick together?
Printing multiple copies does help (although it also helps the XL, and you can get more copies on theXL build plate).....although that only helps if you want multiple copies ;)
I would also like to see multi material prints.....I would like to see a TPU print with pla or PetG supports please ;)
For the most part, I like to run things stock but I do understand that the waste can be minimized on the Bambu. I like all of my printers, Bambu and Prusa. I was just not expecting such a difference.
Please send me a link or a file you would like printed. I've played around a little with water soluble supports and it didn't really help for the model I was running. tada3dprinting@gmail.com
im running the .4 nozzle all the time i think the prints are better in quailty with the .4 and i have slowed the printer down just a little and get almost no stringing now.
Thanks so much!
SO glad I cancelled my 2 Prusa XL reservations! I have 3 X1Cs and an A1 mini now and could not be happier (each of my X1 Carbons has over 1900 print hours on them with 1 clogged nozel on one machine being the ONLY down time). As far as the A1Mini waste you can tune that and reduce it significantly but yes it's still not gonna be quite as good on waste as a tool changer but evidently it does print better for the worse waste amount.
I think the Bambu are great, reliable machines. Since I already have both, I am juggling what to print on which. Thanks!
@@tada3dprinting Oh I figured that….just commented I was glad I cancelled my XL orders. I was SO excited when it was announced but with the Covid delays it took too long. Waiting on a large format core XY from Bambu hopefully next 😊
I'm hoping Bambu Labs announces a multi tool head printer before it's time for me to pay for my XL5 on order. I think Bambu Labs will do it right and quickly fix any problems. Prusa, for some reason I don't understand, can't make reliable multi-head XL's that work out of the box. It's ashame because I loved their printers before Bambu Labs came along.
@damiengvideos4337 yeah I'm sure all that waste couldn't buy a few dozen XL printers lmao.
Check out the reduced filament waste profile for the AMS lite, it's 60% less already. On top of that the ams benefits from a full build plate as the waste does not scale with the amount of objects.
Yes that's true. Thank you
What was the layer height on both? How many layers?
I'll have to check. The A1 Mini was a preloaded gcode on the card. Thanks!
how about changing the Bambu to a 6 and also printing 5 or so items at a time? just a thought. Thank you for your time making this video
Yes definitely would be less waste to make multiple. Thank you!
with the amout of waste from a single print on the Bambu you can print 2 full more on the Prusa with waste calculated in
Yeah its a huge difference!
Bambu is the clear winning here. I expect more from Prusa. I had an MK3s for some time and I was happy, it was a workhorse. Never failed me. But the new Prusa XL doesn't meet my expectations. I find it far away from acceptable print quality. On the other hand, Bambu managed to build some printers with outstanding print quality and the price is what people expect from a 3d printer.
I agree that Bambu has made some solid printers for a good price. Thanks!
I'm willing to upgrade to a new generation printer... Bambu is too expansive and gives only multicolor wich doesn't attract me that much... Prusa XL with multi material is what I want, but for its price the printer should be near to perfection... I decided to just wait, if I was to buy one right now I would go for Voron 2.4 with tapchanger it would give a ton o work to dial it but for sure it is possible to make it print perfect... For now i will just wait, Thanks for the videos!
Thank you
Plus you can turn off the purge tower and eliminate your waste completely, if you want pretty prints then by all means go with the cheap Bambu. I really hate these comparisons.
It's a good comparison but you'd expect a difference for the cost. I think most would choose the XL if it was a straight up choice and cost wasn't an issue. My hope is that the multi tool head approach gets copied and evolved and we see it in lower end products eventually (or some kind of new multi filament system)
Yes a smaller CoreXY by Prusa would be really cool. I'm not very happy with my MMU3. Thank you!
There are some new tool changer arrangements coming out, the tap changer on Vorons is looking very promising.
The Bambu wasted nearly 15% of an entire 1KG spool _just_ on purging. That's nutty. Toolchangers are the way to go for multi-material printing, period the end. But Prusa has a lot of work to do still on the XL... frankly it's still underperforming where it should be IMO. But the potential is clearly there.
And just thr purge tower on the A1 Mini was about 20 grams. I was expecting it to be closer. 20 grams on the A1 and 12 on the XL.
I am still having some quirky things with my XL. But maybe prints like this are better for me to run on the XL. Thanks!
Stringing with dried filament that is coming out shiny = your temp is probably a little too high. Print a temp tower and get it calibrated.
Waste - if you don't tune anything then the $4000 Prusa XL with 5 heads is going to have way less waste out of the box than the $460 A1 Mini with 1 head but the A1 Mini can be tuned to purge less after a color change and to purge it into infill where it won't be seen instead of completely wasting it as "poop". If you were setting up a print farm then the economics would be in favor of a P1P or X1C that can print more parts in the build volume to help reduce the waste per part while being much cheaper than the Prusa XL so that you can have more printers making more parts in the same time. When Bambu comes out with a large form factor printer then the waste will be even less of an issue with single head color changes.
The best of both worlds is probably going to lead to a single head with 2 nozzles so that you can either have it split with 1 for bright colors and 1 for dark colors or 1 for a wide nozzle and 1 for a thin nozzle, or automatic quick swap nozzles instead of multiple heads.
Yes I agree there are things to tune. I just wanted to run them stock. I figured the A1 Mini would be twice the waste, not 10x. But yes the XL is very expensive and takes up a lot of space. I have 3 X1C and that's what I'll probably keep buying. Thanks!
You need to tune your Bambu flushing. I would only get 78g of waste on the same model where the model weighs 62g.
Ok I'll work on that. Thank you!
strings are so insignificant for me personally that i'd use it over the A1 any day, but given the cost diffencens between a 5 toolhead prusa XL and even an X1C with AMS, let alone an A1 Mini with AMS Lite (assuming print volume is not an issue for you) its a hard sell. i personally do not care that much about the purge and waste from multilateral, yes I get it ,I suck.
I wouldn't mind if it was closer to double the waste. But when the waste is more than double the model itself, it's a little excessive. The Bambu are very nice and reliable machines tho. Thanks!
@@tada3dprinting yeah i think i worded it poorly, i think the bambus purge an excessive amount, but the reliability of it, for me personally makes up for the increased waste.
also mostly because I cant afford an XL and likely never will :P
In long run XL is will be more cost effective since the waste is minimal when it comes to multi color and multi material. Also using .4 nozzle on XL would have been a better comparison for quality. I'm starting think the XL stinging is due the design of part cooling vent design but I haven't had time run test.
If you assume $20 per roll, it's around 175 rolls of saved filament before you break even. That would take a while haha.
@@pooounderscoreman that depends on print I've done test calculations where you break even at 65kg of total filaments
@@elchavode6479 the mini with AMS is roughly $500 and the XL is roughly $4000 so the difference is $3500 and at $20 per roll, that'd be 175 rolls. If you spend like $30 per roll it's obviously less. Unless I've done a brain fart and mathsed bad?
@@pooounderscoreman oops, sorry my test x1c vs XL base not mini . Also time is money in this case XL is about 3x faster and I can produce 3x to 4x more of the product on the XL in the same time it would take any of bambu printers.
@@elchavode6479 hmm interesting. Yeah, I've got a X1C. The difference is a bit less then, I guess. Like $1500 US vs $4k US? So $2500 diff, so around 125 rolls @$20 per roll. I really wish there was a less wasteful option for the Bambu printers.
A heat gun, butine torch or lighter and super quick pass over the string burn right off
Thank you
I just cant ever in my life image any consumer 3d printer for $3999 unless its a completely new FDM concept that give significantly better results than a something that is less than half its price. But I guess people are rich nowadays.
Well it is new concept for a consumer level device, it has 5 separate toolheads, no other company offers that at the minute.
The price is crazy. Especially for the amount of trouble I have had with it. That's partly why I am looking to see what other things I can print with it. Thanks
@@wafflecart actually multiple tool heads have been around.. ie Idex they are just price gouging at this point. Id never support this overpriced project but that's just my opinion.
@@cutty02 idex is 2 and they are fixed. xl has 5 and they are detachable toolheads.
Why not print everything white and paint them later, to produce zero waste, while giving yourself an excuse, to have a contemplative quiet meditative time, to destress instead.😊
I actually used to make everything out of thin pieces on basswood, cut out, glue and paint. But since I am making things to sell, it just wasn't efficient on my time. But I agree painting can be very therapeutic!
Well, I can get 9 A1 for 1 XL
Very true. Thanks
So complicated comparison. But its useful anyway. Please, put mic on distance from mouth, as its incredibly loud and sound is distorted.
Thanks
Should have used same size nozzle the speed doesn't look like its worth the loss in quality.
Good point. Just wanted to run them both stock. Thanks!
I can tell you one of the reasons I never got the MMU2/3 or the Bambu is the insane amount of waste coming off those printers for multicolor prints.
For a .6 nozzle, the bear looks really, really good. Now that you've figured out the stringing problem is a result of wet filament (Or, the printer being too sensitive to moisture...) I wonder how the .4 nozzles would work... They might be totally fine, now.
Again, thanks for all the XL content. I've learned a bunch of do's and don'ts for when I get mine in a couple weeks. :D Got myself a Chefman food dehydrator like 3D Printing Nerd suggested, and it works great for drying a bunch of rolls all at once.
Yeah the Bambu is cool but some prints are very wasteful. The MMU3 actually isn't too bad but it's SLOW. Thanks so much!
Its also 3.5k dollars for the xl....
True. I just need to remember to compare even littler prints since I do have both options. Thanks!
I think that the quality of the A1 Mini is better than the XL. The waste on the panda print really is excessive, but a single extruder will always waste more than a multi-extruder machine. There are printer profiles available that claim to reduce the waste and also the print time on the A1. I look forward to more XL-5 printing.
Yes I agree there are things to help the waste. I was just really surprised at how much less it was. Thanks!
I think the inverted panda should be considered as waste since, well, it is 🙈
User error is not wast....it's a learning experience ;)
Haha yeah it's not very pretty. Thanks
@@tada3dprinting when you said what you had done, I thought 'ohhh that might be interesting".....then I saw it lol
The babmbu panda looks better to me.
Thank you
The print quality of the prusa XL is so disappointing...
At this price, it has to be perfect!
It's improving but it's still not there. Thanks!
Thank you for your video, good work !
Waste of money for the XL, yes.
Is that really a fair comparison? It's like a drag race between a bicycle and an F1 car. Of course the XL is gonna do everything better and faster. It costs what, close to 10x?
About 7.5x for a worse result...ooof🥲
I guess you could say about 10 times more waste on the A1 and about 10 times the cost on the XL. I like both machines for different things. I really wasn't even planning to compare. Just still playing with the stringing on my XL and surprised when I compared this particular print. Thanks so much!
100% worth your time to get the XL dialed in. Looks great! 👍
Thank you
I don‘t get how everybody is complaining about the waste on a bambu lab printer? Lets be honest, sooner or later the printed panda will be thrown away in the thrash. So 100% waste. If you want to avoid waste you have to stop printing such junk!
Haha you're not wrong
You can buy 5 bamboo A1 on the price of XL. And you going to have 5 Pandas. A1 much faster :) for the same price.
What's even more impressive she was comparing an A1 Mini vs the 5 head XL.
If this was an actual A1 it would be 2 pandas per plate. and for the price spent on the 1 Prusa you can have 6-7 printers running that job at a time.
6 bambu A1 and 22 rolls of filament
You could probably print 5 pandas on the XL build plate difficult to say which would be quicker tho.....but the 5 bambus would produce over 700g of waste compared to the 13g the XL would produce.....and say you wanted a panda 5 times the size of the original?
Is the XL better? Or is the bambu better? The answer depends on what you intend using it for. If you are planing on producing large colour prints or multi material prints the XL is the obvious choice. If your looking for a decent mono printer that can do occasional small colour prints the bambu isthe logical option.
@@TDax You are incorrect and correct. You could actually fit 6 pandas on a prusa Xl(dont use auto arrange) and I was incorrect as you can put 3 pandas on an A1/P1/X1
If you print 1 panda with 148g of waste or print 3 they use the exact same waste amount.
If you did something silly like print by object vs print by layer(default) it would be 148gx3. Printing clones of the same model does not increase the waste amount.
3 pandas per plate same waste. per print.
p1 or x1 = 13 hours
A1 = 13.75
XL for 6 pandas is about 16 hours
getting more printers and getting more savings still is in favor of the new kid.
So with even 2 Bambu printers you have
6 pandas in 13 hours saving $2k-2.5k
9 pandas in 13 hours with 3 printer saving 1500-2000...
If you are printing large single color models, prusa is FAR from the only game in town. People have been churning out "large prints" on smaller printers since 3d printing became mainstream. If your aim is really large multi color PLA prints Prusa has a slight advantage. for 7x the cost.
Very true. I'm surprised how much space the mini takes up! Thanks!
Why wouldn't I want an XL? Price. Quality. The BBL has higher quality prints. Sure, there's the waste and increased time, but for the cost of the XL, I can get a BBL with AMS and about 150 rolls of filament.
You have been fighting the XL for a couple of months now. The BBL works right out of the box.
Dont care much about the environmental impact, don’t you?
I don't think that XL and X1C can even be compared. XL is much larger printer and should be compared with BCN3D W50 or Mosaic Element, not the tiny X1C.
@@Venturello We are printing plastic....we already made our statement on the environment when he got into 3d printers. 😕
Besides there are many projects to reuse filament waste if you really cared about the environment.
To be honest was teasing a bit… one is 3x the price than the other, can’t say you can take the decision to go for the one producing less waste for a few hundred more…. It’s not the case.
@@Venturello Fair enough. lol 🤣
What's I think people are missing is she is comparing a $460 printer to a 3500-4k printer and the XL is not $3500k better for this particular print.
now if there were comparably priced(within a thousand) this could be an interesting conversation. X1E($2500) vs Prusa XL...but then we are looking at active heater vs open frame. Much larger printer vs exotic materials capable etc.
couldn't see any comparison. You didn't mention what print was printed on which machine first, and at the end you just showed off so quick that i didn't even see. bad video.
The one with the black eyes was the Bambu and the one with the white eyes was the XL. It really wasn't about quality comparison as much as waste and time. Thanks!
"Blessed are those who can give without remembering and take without forgetting." -Motivation
The difference is 500€ vs 4.000€.