Porsche Cayenne Cost to Own - Long Term #7 | Everyday Driver
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- This 2010 Porsche Cayenne has been Todd's wife's car for 7 years and 90,000 miles. After many updates over the years, this one adds up all the costs, problems, gremlins, and pleasures of buying and owning a used Cayenne. Plus, there's a rapid fire review of some of the considerations for what could be next as their family car.
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00:00 - 1:32 Intro and History
1:32 - 3:50 Costs and Where it went.
3:50 - 8:03 Bad News and Surprises
8:03 - Favorite things and what's next.
This is the 7th video in a long term ownership series on this car.
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The long term review we've all been waiting for. Good to hear that the Cayenne is still going strong!
Of course its going strong Maintenance cost is approaching 50% of the purchase price.
This really goes to show how well things last when you take care of them. People whine that their European cars break constantly and then push 20k mile maintenance intervals
Probably the two biggest issues are the 15k factory recommended service intervals, and people just not driving their cars and letting them sit.
My first Porsche was the 944 and while I maintained it well according to manufacturer's recommendation, even back then (about 4 decades ago) no part cost less than $99.99 (yes not the 99 cent store). Sod it and bought a transam, much cheaper to service and maintain.
I don't think that's the point...it's more like how/what was spent to keep them in good shape. Replacing drive shaft, worn brake lines, valve covers...not only are these items rarely, if ever, needed replacing in a Japanese car, they don't cost anything near as much. Most cars known for rock-solid reliability gets by with pure maintenance and wear/tear. Unscheduled "maintenance" is not even a concern. That battery replacement tussle on the Cayenne is also par for course for Euro cars - make a supposedly easy job as difficult as possible.
@@iamthelaw69 so true. Porsche makes great sports cars and not so practical SUVs. Neither fall into the category of a practical everyday ride. Specialized, expensive vehicles.
Well every macan has two serious oil leaks that will happen, costing 5 figures.
The battery location being under the seat of this cayenne is horrible. We shouldn’t celebrate one cayenne making it to 150k miles when virtually any lexus will do that with ease.
LOVE these long term updates!
Glad you like them, thanks for watching!
We have had 3 Cayennes over 200k miles. Two were the first gen turbo models and one was an S mod. The biggest issues we had was with air suspension but even those issues weren't horrible. They definitely eat tires. Brakes are very easy to change since they are brembo style brakes.
Cayenne's really are built extremely well and are honestly overbuilt for daily road use. Each gen does have a couple of unique trouble spots (like the driveshaft issue in this 2010 version) but overall they are solid and should go many miles if properly maintained. I have enjoyed this long term series!
We still have our ‘09 V6 Cayenne. Still going strong. Looks and feels great
It never looked great, even when new.
@@EvoraGT430 Chill beemer lover
@@EvoraGT430 Dont think he was talking about the design.... Still, Thats in the eye of the beholder, is it not?
Our 2016 Diesel Cayenne just hit 90,000 miles. We bought it from a Virginia dealer, from the loaner fleet with 16,000 miles in Nov 2016. Only expense has been regular maintenance. Not cheap but worth it to keep everything running well. It drives beautifully--hoping it lasts as long as I do. It did lose mpg after the diesel fix, maybe 10%, but still does well for such a large vehicle, expecially on the highway.
I bought my '05 Cayenne in 2011 with 80k on the clock. The last 11 years and 100k miles have been a treat. These are hard northeastern miles. Nothing has gone wrong that you wouldn't see in any high-mileage vehicle, and it's still the most comfortable long-distance vehicle I've ever owned. I'd consider buying another Cayenne, but I don't know if this one will ever wear out.
V8 models sometimes have serious engine issues, hopefully yours (if you got a v8) is one of the good ones.
How’s the rust
@@Jdsofar One small spot at the bottom of the left rear door.
@@Jdsofar Its generally not a bad car for rust, better than most steel-bodied cars. However with examples of this model being almost 20 years old by now and sometimes used in very harsh comditions, there are of course those that are badly affected. My 2008 is effectively rust free, saw others of same year that had some, and quite a lot of the pre facelift ones that had a bit.
@@GoldenCroc my 2009 has done rust but it’s a Canadian car so 6/7 months out of the years there is snow with salt everywhere
I bought my 2009 Cayenne base (black like yours) 2 years ago at 44k miles because of your reviews. Brakes, tires, fluids, drive shaft, and spark plugs and she still drives like a dream at 30k miles later. Thank you for the update!
When did your drive shaft flunk? Did you have to replace the entire driveshaft or only a part? What part specifically? And how much please I think mine is close to being toast getting vibration at 120 km/hs
@@Jdsofar around 60k miles. i replaced the entire drive shaft bc i want to keep the car. cheaper fixes are available. if you feel vibration at 120km/hs, check the play of the bushing under the car. might be something else like alignment, uneven tire wear, etc.
@@remoko901 has new tires and has been aligned I’m guessing it’s the driveshaft has never been replaced and is at 154,000 k kms
@@remoko901 how has it been after all this time?
We have a 2014 Cayenne Diesel that we picked new in Germany. After a couple of thousand miles there, we took it to Stuttgart & Porsche shipped it to our dealer in Calif. Now with 115,000 miles on it. At 4500 lbs it still gets 30+ MPG on the road & 25-28 locally. We live in the country & on a dirt road & this car handles as good as anything I have ever owned (only the Cayman we had beats it). 500+ mile range on the road is great. The Cayenne is a great car. I wish the dealer could update the gps map!
2012 diesel , owned since new, only 100.000km , drives so well and very reliable. Had an issue with sun roof cassette- covered under warranty. Craps all over our GLS in every thing but size of boot and seven seats
I have an '09 Cayenne Turbo in Japan .. cost less than $20k last year with only 45000 miles on the clock. 1 year in, great car, super happy with it. No major issues at all so far.. One rear ABS sensor went, but that was a self-fix without much difficulty. Apart from that just door trims and general maintenance. Your series of videos helped us make the choice on this car and we're really happy with it! So thank you for that, and pleased yours has been such a reliable weapon too. They really do handle excellently despite the size even at high speed.
How much is your insurance per month?
@@idontknowwhattoputasmyname2237 approx 20-30 usd
I love this style of car review, wish there were more of them.
I own a 09 VR6 Cayenne with air suspension and pano roof. 35k miles. very rare options. Love the damn thing!
I remember watching the first review you did on this car and was waiting for the meltdown. And you have proved us all wrong. Such a great piece to see you kept it for 7 years and 100k miles. Spectacular. You would have to do brakes , batteries and tyres on any car with that milage. Well done. You made me want one now... Again.
I appreciate the long term updates. I’ve owned my 2015 Cayenne Diesel since 2018 where I bought it from North Scottsdale Porsche after they were allowed to sell it out of the courtesy loaner fleet pending diesel-gate. It was your previous reviews that gave me confidence in making the purchase. I have 56k on it now and other than routine maintenance I have had no issues with the car. I plan on keeping it longggggg term!
Well done review as always and appreciate that you followed up on the high mileage Cayenne. Agree completely with your assessment that among SUVs it stands out as more sporty (superior handling/body roll) and luxurious yet still capable as an SUV. Good luck with your decision going forward, whatever that may be.
My wife & I bought a 2019 Cayenne from Porsche of Lehi, based on your license plate you should know of them. LOL
You are right when you say maintenance can be expensive, our 20,000 mile maintenance bill was $1890.00 & we did it at Porsche of Lehi.
Buying a Porsche is one thing, maintaining it is quite another so do your homework & be prepared.
Great video
Perfect long term review. I wish everyone else could be as informative while remaining as succinct on their long term reviews. Well done!
Glad you enjoyed. Thank you for watching!
I'm very happy with my '09 Cayenne GTS - got it at 82k miles a couple years ago, and it now has almost 120k miles. I keep maintenance costs down by doing my own work, so the only "Porsche tax" I have to deal with is the cost of parts. Knowing that many (but not all) parts are the same as VW and Audi helps. When I was researching, your videos were part of the equation that made me look at the Cayenne in the first place (being in Colorado, and now Montana, I wanted to know how it handled snow and ice). Thanks for the videos!
Thrilled to hear this series was helpful to you. Glad you have a Cayenne and it’s been good to you. Thanks for watching!
Yes!
You inspired me to buy my wife a Cayenne.
I have a '17 Platinum and I'd say do that.
You get the base engine with more goodies. It's been the best car we've ever owned. My wife is obsessed with it.
Thanks for this! I've been watching this series closely having purchased a Certified Pre-Owned 2011 (second gen) Cayenne S shortly after you bought this. I too have been fortunate and also feel like it will be difficult to get something else when the time comes. Fortunately, mine only has 68K miles on it now, so I don't think I'll be looking any time soon, especially since I just made my last payment. Thanks for keeping us posted!
Thanks for the update!! I have the same car/year also bought used at 75K miles, 140k now, bought five years ago. Have had the same maintenance issues, car is currently at the shop for valve cover. Planning to keep until 200k. I’ve had random people ask if I want to sell. FYI, 1st gen Cayenne are becoming popular off road weekend toys!
Looking at an 2010 GTS, I've wanted one for years. All the maintenance history looks good and clean. There's no damage to the body and paint is in great condition. So here it is, just over 100,000 miles and asking price of $23,000. My main issue no brake replacement record and drive shaft issues. Test drove this morning, let you know. I've viewed the whole series thanks for all the insight
I have a 2014 Cayenne Diesel and its been amazing. Follow the maintenance schedule, make friends with your mechanics, and they keep going and are a pure joy to drive.
72K to 27K in first 5 years? Damn...that depreciation...
I doubt we'll see a used market like that ever again (or at least in the next 10 years lol)
Nobody wants to be on the hook for a high mileage European car.
I think he got a great deal. A five year old base one is about 45k.
@@norwegianblue2017 i generally am. things like bmw e46 can do a million miles no probs
Love these videos Todd - thank you!
Love this video! Appreciate the insights from your ownership
Great review, I too have a 2008 base model Cayenne, with the unique 6 speed manual transmission. Bought it with around 60k in 2014 and it is still going strong! Everyone always asks me “you still have that old Cayenne?” And like you said, they drive so good it’s really hard to compare to any new SUV, besides another Cayenne! Looking to get a slightly newer one only for the sake of wanting an automatic transmission. The manual is surprisingly good and unique in an SUV, but I’m ready to have an auto! Look forward to more videos!
Ahhhh. Gettin' old ain't for sissies ..... LOL
I really like the format, pace and content coverage of the review. Well done. I think you found the real problem with Porsche ownership. Once you drive one on a daily basis, nothing else will do. As a car guy, how is he going to say no to the wife?
Yeah, I got an older 986. Now I'm shopping an older Cayenne with low mileage since I am so in love with the Boxster but would also like to have a larger solid top type car as a mostly all-weather daily. I can also tow my 7000# boat and trailer with it. I think both a Boxster and a Cayenne is just the ticket.
I still have my 2008 3.6. Identical to this car. Other than the ds bearing its been faultless. 110k miles for mine and will pass it onto my kids as we can't bear to get rid of it. Next gen for me too. Great video thanks.
So glad to see a Cayenne Update! I've been telling people how great these SUV's are, and no one ever believes me. Maybe they'll believe a couple of 6'3" famous CZcamsrs 😉
Really well done video.
Too often people make videos passing judgement after a ride around the block. This paints a very realistic long term picture. Nicely done.
I feel like Paul might approve of your wife’s decision to stay with Porsche. Great video!
love love looove how your body is coming along. The way you accentuate the t-shirt fit is top notch. Cant wait for the next update.
That was the best car review I’ve ever come across, and it’s not even close. I own a 2017 Cayenne, I wish I had seen this before. Ot was as it I had to listen to someone speaking about my own experience, someone I’ve never met. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 10:32
This is type of video is what sets this channel apart from any other! Brilliant.
I'd say for $27k you did really well. The msrp of $72 is crazy. Personally, I'll always be buying used cars. New ones deprecatentoo much.
this was so freakin well done. dude. great job, seriously
Loved the series, great videos.
Great to see this is still running well! We were shopping for a SUV/hatchback family/dog hauler last summer. We drove everything we could find under 20k even a new Kia Soul. But mostly used midsized luxury SUVs. We found a Base Cayenne, in brown, with black interior, wood trip, and no sunroof, for 19k. It's the most comfortable, and competent SUV. It can also out tow just about anything. We have put almost 12k miles on it, and it will hit 100k this week, the only things we have done are an oil change and wipers, and it's getting new tires today.
I have a year 2008 CayenneS, I gave to my brother,. Love it and drove everyday for 12 years. I bought a 2019 Cayenne during the pendemic shutdown, my new Cayenne with all kind of upgrades and was sent back to dealer three times for some big repairs.
I really miss my old CayenneS, it's simple, solid, and fun to drive. The new one has too much garbage to break. Many additional functions disturbed my driving. I mean it, who care about the voice commitment button was accidentally touched and changed the temperature? I have to stop my car to made sure that I was not freezed by went through many steps changing my in car temperature back to my original setting. The phone function is designed by someone who thinks people are driving but focus on playing phone. I have to stop my car to find the phone number of a friend to tell her that I was running late because of heavy traffic. Ironically, she also has a new Cayenne, haha, double the difficulty for a very a simple phone call. It's hard to keep the center console clean, the glass like top reflects the finger print easy. Again, the engine needs to turn off to wipe off the finger print or you will change the certain functions without your knowledge.
The only thing that I like for my new Cayenne is the color of the car and nice tire rim. You see, I sound like a person who bought a car.......because t h e color!
Omg you still have it!!! Yay it was the reason I bought one . They are great reliable cars
Well done... A very useful video for those of us looking at such vehicles... I wish that more reviews were done like this, instead of just the new-car videos where a journalist only has a vehicle for a few hours...
Great detailed video, stay blessed!
I've had a cayenne S for 12 years as one of 3 cars. Had the center console rumble around 110k.....bearing..shaft. yes. Now 119k...still running awesome.
Great video Todd! Loved the moving seat fiasco! *LOL*
I have a 2014 GTS 100k miles no problem, such a solid car.
Always thought about picking one of these up. Glad to know that it's pretty sturdy
Glad I ran into this review. Might be a good candidate. Thank you!
Nice bro. My firsy car is this porshe. And i still have it. Still running great. Stiill love it. Very reliable
Very good review. I own a 2009 GTS and learned the mistake of purchasing a higher end Cayenne. Have a little over 141K and drive it everyday and even tow my motorcycle.
My next Cayenne will be an S model, but having a difficult time letting go of the GTS. It has been an amazing vehicle other than the extra items that have failed. Auto leveling suspension and the transfer case have been the most expensive. Since the power steering pump controls the suspension that was very costly. Transfer case was the other OS I experienced.
I’m surprised that the spark plugs, water pump struts/shocks, repacking bearing grease, rubber bushings weren’t needed yet
Thanks for the knowledge and expertise sir. About to buy my first used Cayenne S hybrid.
I have a 2010 base, just hit 107k miles. I’ve had it about 3 years now. I’ve done almost the exact same things, battery, brakes etc. The transmission stuff had been done by the previous owner. I got it for 11k pre pandemic pricing. What an absolute steal. Replaced the factory 18” wheels with 22” since the wheel wells are so large. It is such a quality vehicle, I have looked at other cars but can’t justify them because to get 10% better I have to spend over 40k. These older Cayennes are amazing deals if you can find a clean low mileage one.
I’m late, but this is a great video.. good information shared
So clean! Looks great
I have a 2009 Base brand new, and I have put about 52K miles on it. So far there is no mechanical issue. There are minor issues/annoyances (side mirror, PCM, sunglasses compartment door, headlight warning when a road bump is hit) like you have mentioned. The OEM brake pads (13k miles) erode very quickly in city driving. I think that the SUV is very well built and reliable to drive.
I miss my OG Cayenne S. One of the best sounding cars I've ever owned next to my Aston. Wasn't very fast until I considered how heavy the thing was, then it feels a lot faster knowing the weight. Fun car, like you I am not a Porsche apologist or purist, but I do enjoy what they have to offer.
Great review! I would highly recommend looking into the 2nd generation diesels.
I live in the Rockies and consistently get 29-32 mpg with it.
Interesting. And relevant to me, right now. Thank you.
I love the steering wheel. The Cayenne design has been timeless and most other manufacturers have copied it. (except American Refrigerator styles)
I have been looking at a used and slightly high mileage Cayenne for sometime but found that it gets a lot of stick for being expensive to maintain. Your review, firstly, made me to subscribe and secondly, decide to buy one. Thanks.
Glad to have you with us!
Great job and thank you! Just sold my 08 S with 151k and it ran awesome and still looked great. Had an 06 Turbo S before which was amazing, but expensive to keep running. I like the 958’s but they are certainly less connected and a bit more floaty than the 955/957. Disappointing considering it lost 800lbs!
We were actually going to be shopping for a GV80/GV70 because we really loved the driving experience and the quality, but I might have to look at used Cayennes...thanks for the review!
Great video Nick Cave
Excellent video. You do a great job. Thanks.
Thank you for watching!
Wow I thought you didn’t have it anymore so happy to see this
My next door neighbor’s Cayenne Turbo seems to have different ideas about being reliable. It is often being repaired by a visiting mechanic for electrical issues. It sure sounds sweet when it does run though.
I remember looking at these years ago also for my wife. Bought a 14 QX70 instead. Best car we've ever owned
great update! We are running a W212 (2012) E Class diesel that we acquired with about 65k on the clock. Now at 115k and the car has by and large been exceptional. $3,000 for an oil cooler has been the only major ding outside of the aforementioned premium on routine maintenance. (brakes, tires, oil changes, trans fluid exchange, DEF, etc). My only real gripe is with things that MB changed going from the 211 to the 212....namely, vendors for MBTex. Seats ripped at 70k and they aren't under warranty even though it's a known issue, along with wood trim they forgot to treat with UV protection
I still have my 2005 S V8 and it’s fantastic. Has 132,000 miles on it... I won’t change it. It’s been extremely reliable.
Toyin with the idea of a v8 1st gen Cayenne, let's gooo!!
I had both a 2008 957 and a 2012 958 Cayenne V6 with the same engine. The 957 felt more agile and nimble, but the 958 is overall the better and more modern car. With the 8 speed automatic it also gets much better gas milage. I would recommend a 958.2 as it looks better than the 958.1 - as a family car no need to get the S.
I have a 958.2 S E-hybrid and love it, 74k miles and nothing but fluids, filter, and tires. Brakes last longer because of regen braking and the engine is Audis venerable 3.0 supercharged V6 which is doubtless the most bulletproof engine to ever get 4 rings. I am averaging 32 mpg and I am currently accumulating parts to go stage two (dual pulley and heat exchanger) which should push it to just shy of 600 hp at a cost of about $2,500 while improving fuel economy and not affecting reliability. I think the SEH is the hidden gem of the line up, a comp to mine (original msrp $95k) can be had for about $40k, and mine is showroom clean save for one tiny stain on the rear carpet. Find one with the premium package plus, air suspension, and the 18 way seats if you can, mine also has the carbon steering wheel out of the 918 which is definitely worth trying to find as well. You won't be disappointed, I know I'm not.
Love the Cayenne but ended up going with the Q7 for the sake of the back seat. Drives great, tows great, and all around has been a pleasure.
I also preferred the Q7's looks.
Ive got a gen 2, you will love it!
Hi Todd. I've had my '08 Cayenne V6 like yours, but a manual. Bought at 20K miles, and now have a little under 70K miles. My wife and I had the same issues when looking for a replacement. We tried a lot of other SUVs and Crossovers. We considered hatch backs and wagons as well. What have we found that felt as good to drive while bringing us up to date.... or as up to date as we wanted to be? A 2018 Audi A4 Allroad with just over 15K miles. We love it. Just finished a 3600 mile road trip at 600 miles a day and it was wonderful to be in. Issues for me with the Cayenne? Pads and rotors for the first time at 65,000 miles. (we live on the flat prairies but it has been to the mountains many times. I think being a manual saves brakes a LOT!) Just replaced the tires at 60K miles making this the 3rd set since new. Acc belt and idler, throttle valve, oil in the diffs, transfer case and transmission at 55K miles and a cover on the tailgate half hatch button. That's it. 13 year s and under $4k in ownership cost and have to say, I am going to have a hard time letting it go, even with the Allroad sitting next to it. Great piece. Love your updates.
My 2005 Cayenne Turbo just passed over 150k a week or two ago. Generally speaking, its been reliable. I had some issues with the headlights, but so do most of the pre-refresh models. I disagree with Todd and definitely recommend going for a higher optioned model. Its nicer and faster for not that much more money now that depreciation has set it.
Only problem is v8 models sometimes have very bad engine issues, V6 is less likely to have so. Also, air suspension can be somewhat problematic, though less than many other air suspended cars.
Again please dont spread misinformation V8s are very reliable with just regular maintenance are tanks! All air suspension from ALL automakers has issues i own a Lexus now and literally the first mod is convert it to coilovers because of how expensive and ridiculous the air suspension is. @@GoldenCroc
@@ToyotaAristo You might want to read my post again, since it seems you have misunderstood it and seemingly bring up "counterpoints" to stuff that isnt actually in the text.
I had the cousin to this the 2007 Audi Q7 with V8. It was a great vehicle and agreed it was tough to replace, but ended up with a 2012 MB GL550 for the additional towing power. It is our toy towing and family trip rig. It doesn't handle as well Q7, but wife loves the GL550 and never cared for the Audi. Not that it really matters since she has a new X5 has her daily.
Wow! Thank you. This is good information. I plan on stealing a GT3 soon, and I want to know what I'm getting myself into.
i just bought a used 2017 vw touareg and love how it drives
Thanks for all this great, practical information. Sorry about the battery under the seat, at least BMW is kind enough to put theirs in the trunk/cargo area. As far as car washes, there must be a decent touchless one around you? Actually, the best I've seen are at the Meijers in Michigan where you can choose between touchless or a light microfiber wash. They apply some amazing water repellent chemicals too!
You guys go over the best cars all you subs love yeah!!!,
I like this dudes no-nonsense channel.
Very good cost of ownership. Starts with the good initial buy. Getting a vehicle at 37.5% of price as new after 5 years is not typical.
Tnx to you dude, I bought my first Porsche; 2008 Cayenne S, 4.8
Pleased to hear this series was helpful. Thanks for watching!
when will you guys review the mazda cx-50? great job on all of your reviews!
I own the poor man’s Cayenne- a 2014 VW Touareg diesel. The guts are the same as the Porsche. Built on the same assembly line as the Porsche. Missing some of the luxury dodads but at its heart it’s basically the same. The diesel has been amazingly reliable and efficient. It has 110k miles. Brakes, tires, routine maintenance are all that’s been needed. The dealer offered free oil changes for life when bought new so he’s been loosing money on that. I did have to replace the battery but the VW dealer wanted $700. I chose to do it myself but getting to the battery under the seat was a chore. The brakes were expensive at $750 per axle. But I went about 80k miles before needing replacement. Great body work too. No signs of rust which is great given the salty winters in upstate NY.
The bit at the end about the turbos was pretty funny
You must be one of the lucky ones as in the UK these cars are considered as junk when they are a few years old and this reflects in their very low 2nd hand prices.
Love my 2nd gen Cayenne Diesel. If you can find one, I highly recommend it
Been following this personal review for years just to get my first Porsche
It’s so funny I explained the cayenne effect to my girlfriend, she did get it until we driven it. Now she wants a cayenne.
Run the Bluetooth mic up by the rearview mirror. Those Sony radios actually have some of the best Bluetooth quality out there. Way better than old Porsche Bluetooth. I've never had good luck with mics mounted in the instrument cluster like that
Excellent review. Can you share whether you did things like brakes and such yourself or did you take it to the dealer?
I would love to see you do a Porsche vs BMW SUV video comparison. BMW vs Porsche maintenance cost and day to day reliability. And at the end of the day, have a SUV Honda/Toyota or Acura/Lexus as a control variable.
Just bought one with 160k km ... great review
Been waiting for this one Todd, thank you. Well done as usual. Glad to hear there will be another one on the way.
My 2011 Acura MDX has 192k miles on it and I had to put a starter motor in it ( $236 ). Waiting for a MDX Type S.
Porsche reliability has gotten a little better over the years but it always amazes me how a Porsche owner will go to grate lengths to explain away in an attempt to justify the ridiculous amounts of money they spend to keep it running.
While Todd fully acknowledges things are expensive here (in fact, he mentions the Porsche upcharge a few times) - he and his wife have owned vehicles from nearly a dozen brands and fewer random things have broken on this Cayenne than anything else. We're glad you've enjoyed your MDX so much, and we're not surprised to hear it has been so affordable to maintain. Thanks for watching.
Mdx type s is on sale now
me and my girl are in the market for a used 2nd gen cayenne once this crazy market settles down. ideally it would be mine in the summer to tow the racecar and something capable for her in bad weather in the winter!