Ref Watch: Should Bruno Fernandes' goal have stood against Manchester City?
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At the end of Howard Webb's toughest weekend since taking up his new role as chief refereeing officer in the Premier League, former official Dermot Gallagher gives his verdict on the big decisions.
INCIDENT: VAR check cleared Marcus Rashford from being offside in the build-up to Bruno Fernandes' equaliser (78) - to the fury of City's players, who protested that the forward had interfered with play.
What is the offside rule in this case?
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
. interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
. interfering with an opponent by:
. preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent's line of vision or
. challenging an opponent for the ball or
. clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
. making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
DERMOT'S VERDICT: Wrong decision, offside.
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As a United Fan , I couldn’t believe our luck when the goal stood because I was already saying it is offside before the goal at all. If a goal stood for man city in this manner , I would be really upset so I understand how every city fans feel. We just have to move on Nevertheless. We still gonna see some worse decisions before the end of the season.
Respect
Worse decision than this? No way. Moving on tho, I get that. Respect.
That's all we want to hear. Obviously nothing changes, utd will still remain the winner, but the fans should have some honesty. Most utd fans are behaving like these type of decisions won't happen to your team in the future. And it did, next match, u didn't get a penalty.
Thank you for your genuine comment!
Respect for being honest
Except your wrong ..
I don't understand why there's a debate about this at all. It's a clear offside as Rashford was: running towards the ball, shielding the ball via his running angle, and is affecting the defenders and GK- and I'm a United fan. We have seen so many offsides given for offside players running towards a ball but not touching it, so why is this situation any different?
Var didn’t get involved with the referrers decision because it’s a subjective offside. This debate isn’t about whether it’s offside or not because we know it is. It’s about why the decision was made and why VAR didn’t get involved
@@daneditz2307 i respect that too
But arguably my opinion we would've still lost
You don't win games by ignoring your ST for the entire game
I'm a city fan also
@@simonbrooks399 it being subjective is precisely why he should have looked at the monitor. That's what it's for, subjective decisions.
Messi did the same thing but he was called a genius.
Being offside isn't an offence so even though you've seen them given, the truth is the flag should never go up until the offside player actually touches the ball. We all seen wrong decisions by the linos since VAR. He didn't stop anybody from challenging for the ball and he didn't obscure the keepers view or make an attempt to play the ball. City stopped because they assumed the offside would be given instead of playing to the whistle which is the new rule.
I don't think Rashford really had a clue what to do until he spotted Fernandes at the last second .... but Ederson WAS only looking at Rashford and expecting him to shoot, Akanji confirmed that later on tv.
That’s on ederson- Bruno was always in play and the ball was always heading in his direction
We didn’t need him to confirm it
Rashford has impacted not only the players on the pitch but also the Skysports, hundreds of football channels in youtube, thousands of football pundits around the globe... and surely he has impacted the rotation of the earth ;p
not Rashford *Man city
LMAO
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😂😂😂😂😂lol
As Brian Clough once said "If a player is not interfering with play then he shouldn't be on the pitch."
Lol. Good old cloughie. ❤
That was 50 years ago,,things change,Rules Change my friend,,,pointless statement
100%. To me that’s one of the major flaws with the offside rule. Any player on the field will garner some type of attention. There is no way you can say that Rashford did not draw the attention of at least Edison, Walker and Akanji. That rule is poorly written and should be addressed asap. Way to subjective and causes too many issues. Offside in my book and I am a United fan.
Difference between interference and Obstruction.
Then he must have been an idiot
Rashford impacted every player. The defenders, the goalkeeper, his teammate(Bruno). We have seen offsides for way less offences.
He didn't impede or stop anybody going for the ball tho did he? IMPACT is not a rule either... or Interfere
@squirrel7t7 it's not about impeding people. It's about interfering and impacting decisions made on the pitch. If Rashford wasn't there, that's not what would have happened. Akanji would have taken the ball easily. Or even Ederson would have taken the ball. It's not just about physically impacting but impacting decisions made on the pitch too.
PLAY TO THE WHISTLE
City players did not do this
He didn't impact the referee, obviously.
He has been impacting alot this season.. Not just man city defenders
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Rashford was impacting the play so much that he should have got an assist for that goal.
Agreed. He clearly had procession of the ball for 2,3 seconds before letting Fernandez to shoot.
Doesn't matter he neither passes it nor touches it...I can indirectly say that the pass was for bruno
Just some few weeks ago Mo Salah scored from an offside position but no one said nothing but for united it is going to be the topic for weeks
As a Liverpool fan I agree with this. Salah was interfering with play in an offside position and caused the Wolves defender to decide to head the ball due to the threat. Had Salah not been there he would have left it for the GK or to go out for a goal kick.
Both that and the Rashford goal should have been ruled offside IMHO. If defenders actions/decisions are directly affected by your presence in an offside position leading to a goal then you are interfering with play. Simple.
because the opponent was man city, and this was a derby, and this goal would effected title race. I hope you understand what situation this was.
I’m a man United fan and thought that was offsite straight away. He was clearly impacting the play and that’s always been my understanding.
Respect to you for being honest. If I was a united fan, I would also just celebrate that it wasn't given
you are NO united fan..you delusional city fan
U are not a united fan because if tables were turned city fans would say it was goal n no offside...
The rule is don't ay attention to a player who is offside.
The offside rule and hand ball is stupid. Rashford didn't touch the ball not offside if a player is in an offside position and the defender tried to play the ball to stop it from going through to the offside attacker the attacker is no longer offside so rashford didn't touch the ball didn't touch the defender so he didn't impact anything regardless of the position the same said with ederson he wasn't blocking his view so nothing wrong with the goal
The more you see it the worse the decision is lol
Makes the win even better 😂
the more you see it the more bitter citeh fans become, it's a great goal :D the defenders are at fault.
Haha shocking replies 😂
@@stuartgould4819 if it was the other way around u know they wouldn't be this happy
In Liverpool lost to Brighton,Trent was called for offside in a weird situation too…without touching the ball 🤷♂️
i noticed this when i watched the match. still dont get how this a debate
Watching Trent raising arms, declaring not chasing after the ball, and called offside, after watching the Manchester game... It's perplexing.
Trent didn't even chase after the ball.
Perhaps the main reason it was given was the home crowd and the ref completely bottles it!
Fergie's telepathic powers from the stand made it an onside goal
That's my man fergie
😂🤣
Of course it was.
Actually it's the Epl thing ,they do it weekly ,do a stupid call ,make EPL being talked about whole week because dubious decesiona that's why Spanish clubs Wil win many UCL trophies while English football is in such cheap popularity
How would telepathy, which is the power to read another person's thoughts, help at all?
Unbelievable that wasn't given offside.
Imo, Akanji gave the room for an argument with his decision to back off, had he ran on bumped into rashford, even dramatically, there would had be no argument at all.
true, if Akanji had tackled him from behind it wouldn't be a foul, it would be offside. Crazy
He didn't touch the ball.....it's a beautiful goal
The issue with this is that there was an incident a couple of years back where Harry Kane was fouled in an offside position, and he was still given a penalty for it. It's ridiculous with all of the variables that Rashford's movement towards the ball made in this phase of play that they haven't given offside. It's criminal really..
Cry
Go to old Trafford and complain this to var😂😂😂
the fact that rashford was still chasing the ball and staying very close to the ball while being offside is interfering. I wouldn't mind if he stopped his run after the ball was clearly played to him and Bruno scored
Yes that is the normal interpretation of this scenario of offside. I hope that they recognise it should be Offside and don't make the same error next time
Huge club vs big club referee syndrome! referee Has to give sometimes!
Referees now think with their help United can win again, but that's not going to happen!
They'll never recover, fall far worse
As a City fan,I would not be complaining one inch and their also wouldn’t of been any of this “controversy” if rashfird simply just stood still, because what’s the sake of running at the ball while faking when ur clearly miles offside 😂
@@AnonymZ. exactly my point. why would he still be chasing the ball if he is clearly offside. I mean who even does that 😂😂😂
That has to be the worst and most impactful call I have seen in a long time. I understand the ref is under a lot of pressure, but there has to be a process for preventing this from happening. The margins are fine and the resulting effect can be incredible.
😂😂😂 the pain is what I love the most fair enough it was a dodgy desicion but you guys had one shot on target and conceded a second too lose it lol I think we score 2 goals regardless of that desicion the team wanted it more.
It was consistent with the rule, don’t blame the players or the refs. Blame the rule makers.
The referee was too hasty to make a decision
It was a subjective call, they followed the rules of the game, just deal with it and move on
Don’t think they were gonna win either. Total 1 shot on target 🤷♀️
As a utd fan it is clearly offside.
If someone scored a goal like that against us I'd be livid
defo offside
And not a fan 😂😂
No real fan would mention I am a fan in the beginning 😝😝🤡
@@Methan_killer what are you on about?
You can be a fan and acknowledge that it was a bad decision by the ref
Doesn't mean you suddenly stop supporting the team..
@@Methan_killer I’m a manu fan and that is a clear offside. I’m happy it’s not against ManU though
The city defender was slowing down, plus Ederson was expecting Rashford’s shot. United fan here, but definitely offside
u are not a United fan...just leave ur comment and go
@@tfuta6613 I'm a utd fan and was at the game. I agree with the comment.
You play to the referee's whistle. That BS doesn't stand
But is it clearly offside though. Rashford Yes, But Bruno is not. Another way to look at this is that Rashford has the right to make a run to get himself in good position for the next possible phase of play where he is not offside anymore because an onside player has played the ball. Bruno Fernandes can still have his shot saved by the goalkeeper and the ball can bounce back into a space that Rashford has now occupied brilliantly by maintaining his run. Is it still offside even then because Akanji has not kept up with play since Rashford was "offside" initially. Man City players deciding to stop or slow down just because they decide to think the pass is for Rashford and not Fernandes dose not make it OFFSIDE. You (referring to the referee) can't decide to make an assumption that the pass was for Rashford and on that assumption decide that the Man City players also think that the pass is for Rashford therefore Bruno Fenandes goal must be offside. I think this deserved the good old 'black and white' interpretation of the situation which is bruno is onside and he scored from the pass by Casemiro whilst Rashford is trying to get in position for any rebound as a forward player should.
Akanji could’ve also slowed down because he expected Rashford to touch the ball
I’m getting the feeling that in the coming years there will be a courtroom of referees and a trial mid-game to interpret the awful decisions made by the head referees nowadays. It will probably be called courtroom assisted referee or CAR and it will take about 10-15 minutes to get a judgement.
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and still be wrong most of the time
No way. Human errors will remain, albeit minimal , as long as it's a sport played by humans.
And yet the current situation is better because we have VAR? I don't see it.
@@newtonsimba7930 I don't see errors in other sport like 🏏 and 🏉 but football is worst when it comes to referees
14 minute video and not one clip of the incident, just screenshots? So now I have to go watch the highlights to understand what they're talking about, great video Sky thanks 👍
I see people are saying the ball is moving to Fernandes so it doesn’t matter but they’re forgetting about Ederson adjusting to rashford “shot”.
Why did he do that if he could see Rashford was offside?
But could he see the ball? Affecting the keepers decision making is not against the rules
@@colnixon8989 bro. If the whistle was not blown what else do you expect?
@@squirrel7t7 Yes it is lmao.
Adjusting to situations is what he gets payed for
Short answer - no
Crying livarpool fans and city 😭😭
@@RealmadridUnited dont support either team
@@Swan94y ok just enjoy the game and stop complaining a referee desicion 👍
@@RealmadridUnited people with eyes that want the laws applied properly.
@@russellward4624 lalalalala 3 point
That's a clear offside, period.
Aiit then call the cops then
@@KayceeJay-ot4wb Tell me u are 7 without saying u re 7
As a Man Utd fan, I think Rashford impeded enough for it to be an offside call. But I do think that the simple assumption that the defender would have gotten to the ball before Fernandes is not so black and white because the ball was moving away from him and towards Fernandes. That could have an impact on who gets to the ball first.
If Rashford was not there Akandji could get the ball easily
We can't even get to that argument of "if he will get to the ball", because Rashford has messed with his running direction prior. Akanji was tracking Rashford, to make sure he blocks his shot when he gets to the ball - the question is whether Akanji would've gotten to the ball if Rashford wasn't there at all? Yes!
That's ridiculous. Rashford was running after the ball and clearly interfering with play. I have seen many wrong decisions and this is one of them.
The defender is sleeping. If he had made contact with Rashford in a attempt to get to the ball First, before Bruno, it would obviously be an offside call due to interference(by rashford)
@@eggism5944 it's an offside but I agree with you Akanji was also not so smart as defender but to defend him I think he was not sure if rashy is off or not
You have to be a full smackhead to think it wasn't offside. How the ref missed it even with a VAR replay is the most amazing thing about this.
Smack head? Rashford didn't touch the.ball,Bruno did,and Akanji didn't even try to get the ball.
It matters not. You can feel slighted, but that is your feeling. The result is done. United won.
@@kevinobrien1897 I don't care about the result, I'm a Palace fan.
Didn’t you listen to anything they said. VAR cannot intervene with a decision like this. It’s the linesman and refs decision only.
@@danielbell6589 That's stupid too, I've seen VAR correct many offside decisions, why not this one too.
Even the referee believed Rashford was going to shoot... Everyone saw Rashford move towards the ball. That's what makes it offside...
Well they just got outsmarted
@@jaycee5036 they could’ve checked VAR but for some reason they didn’t 😂
Didn't touch the ball🙄🙄subjective decision
@@nyamasyosila3742 if a player going after the ball ⚽️ he is off sides even tho fernades wasn’t
@@marcelosalgado9295 subjective decision...VAR is not on the field
There was a great example of a player being offside in the rangers vs Aberdeen semi final on the same weekend, where someone is offside then noticed, waited til the phase of play changes and then can rejoin in the play.
The Rashford one shouldn't even be up for debate I don't think there's anything subjective to argue otherwise.
He took the attention of three players and none of the two defenders tried to stop him. They where like go then score. There's a lesson in this to be learned. Leave nothing to chance
They knew he was offside 🤣
no the lesson should be, fix refeeing and fix VAR, it was offside and it was an incorrect decision.
That’s their fault. Players should always play to the whistle and not assume decisions
@HTTPPAUL If this was a city goal u would be saying its onside. Its a 50/50 decision
The linesman flagged, he was correct. They didn't just stand there, maybe could've done more but Marcus was blocking akanji from the ball & Bruno. You're supposed to trust the officials
It's not even a debate..
Yes it is
When refs or the VAR make wrong decisions like these they should be made to explain their reasons to the public: this would make them sit up and avoid making ugly and costly decisions like these. They should be held accountable for their mistakes… Rashford was interfering with play and that impacted city’s players.
I would be furious if a call like this goes against my club or against England…
I agree with this, however in this case it's obvious that it was a difference in the way the ref interprets the rules. Just means that the rules need to be more clear. I'd be in favour of refs explaining their thought process though, not for holding them accountable, just to explain their pov.
@@samnexus17 There shouldn't be any misinterpretation. They should be held accountable. VAR especially!
I am curious though, how else you think this particular rule can be interpreted.
It's a goal you fool
Bruh that is called man to man marking so Akanji can't reach the ball, carl walker was sure rush ford will kick the ball that's why he was so relax in short the attacking was so fast they did know what was happening.
You play to the whistle. Rule 1 of football. If he blocks a player it's offside if a player is blocking gk it's offside. It's on akanji to run. Eddison can see the whole play. It's a goal. End of
As a city fan it was not offside based on the current laws
The best strategy for avoiding assumption is to play through the whistle. The reason I say this is because the ball obviously struck Martinez's thigh and went straight into his hand when Manchester United was playing Real Sociedad in a UEFA UEROPA match, and the referee awarded Real Sociedad a penalty. These new rules of the game and how the referees perceive them end up confusing me. I'm totally perplexed.
Rubbish Akanji will be there before Fernandez if rashford wasn’t there
Right… which is why he was able to tackle him when he did get the ball
The problem is that the match Officials on the day won't explain their decisions with an open mic to the paying fans in the ground or at homes how they comes to their decisions follow the examples set by Cricket & Rugby Union all this three parties interpretation is just nonsense Great content 😎👊🏽
This ain't cricket or rugby. Then you will want Hawkeye tech in football too
@clhcaribbeanlotteryhub9032 it already there in goal line tech all am saying the match day officials should explain their decisions to paying fans in the ground and at home why the goal stand or disallowed 😎👊🏽
@@irvingpaul4939 why should match day officials explain anything? Once that Pandora's box is opened, it can never be closed again. Officials in any football league are not at liberty to explain their decisions affects any game for their own safety and keep us fans debating.
@cristophergregory8938 gosh you can't be serious we live in the 21st century with technology to enhance your enjoyment of the game the Officials are Mic up to communicate to each other to make sure that the Officials knows the laws of the Game and come to the right decision the fans knows that we have Good Officials not incompetent ones 😎👊🏽
It was literally explained in the studio by that ref fella ( forget his name ) who comments on ref decisions and VAR decisions. NOT OFFSIDE!!!
Problem with looking at freezes without Rashford is that that doesn't take into account the fact that the ball is moving away from Akanji and towards Bruno
that pass was meant for rashford not bruno
I noticed that too, but the biggest issue is Rashford presence distracted Edison, look where Edison is Fixated
all this gibberish and they forgot this
yeah i think it was offside but the freeze thing is dumb.
@@dicastosantos4703 it was but rash per law, didn't interfere
In Serie A, they disallow goals like this all the time; they may not be perfect but at least the other top 5 leagues are consistent with play interference.
Rashford was defo caught offside but Akanji wasn't getting to the ball he wasn't catching the ball. The still picture doesn't show the speed and travel of the ball, Fernandes reaches it before Akanji. Rashford didnt cross akanji, akanji stays on his outside because hes played Rashford offside, and instead of playing to the whistle as everyone is instructed
The more I see this goal the more ludicrous the decision becomes.
😂
Let it go bruh
Howard Webb's first weekend in the top job. That's all you need to know.
Feel free to stop watching replays...
cais united score it hahaha
Clear and obvious fault by the ref. to allow the goal. The main reason Bruno's goal was Rashford's run for the ball and interfering
VAR
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@@MsSosase using “fam” plus the emoji’s = you’re a wannabe douchebag
CRY. BABY. CRY
Rashford was brilliant not to touch that ball
Yeah he did that a lot last season, it was immense.
rival fan detected..lol
"It was offside now if you give me 15 minutes of airtime so I can justify the onfield referee making the wrong decision"
Exactly. They are truly pathetic!
The ref on here knows its offside but is trying all his possible best to defend the ref ... lmao
We’ve seen offsides given for fingertips being slightly over if it was the City ground it would’ve been offside because it’s Old Trafford it was given, sometimes football feels fixed to favour another man’s bets one rule one week different the next.
not true
So when United played Everton last season and Richarlson was sitting on the floor right infront of De Gae Everton score and offside wasn't given, I didn't see such an uproar when that went against United. How about the FA Cup match between United and Middlesbrough last season when the Borough player handballed it crossed the ball and they scored, the goal was given even after VAR checked it and United Lost on penalties in the end. Where was the uproar for that? So easy to say refs favour United and ignore plenty of cases of United being screwed by bad decisions.
Yes it is .... they are making up calls .... not using VAR ..... they are shaping the results ...
Elite sport is where the criminal gangs make money on the side
@@LeeTAZ-sl7de for the Everton one. DeGea is standing and can clearly see over Richarlson, So he wasn't obstructing his vision.
This one Rashford is running 20 yards along side the ball from an offside position. Affecting Ederson's position to cover the angle.
Not sure if akanji could have reached the ball first coz he was chasing the ball which was clearly going away from him since the pass from Casiemero was directly coming in the direction of bruno
The referee deliberately disregarded the lineman’s decision even when he had a better view than him. He clearly showed he didn’t value his use which is 90% make calls on offsides!
Looks like some red placed a bet on the game!
@@darreng5865 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dermot changing his mind from what he said yesterday 😅
What did he say?
On the Premier League channel, right? I was stumped...and here he is singing a different tune 😂😂😂
No he didn't he's saying the same thing he did on Saturday he said the safest option is to give offside
He said the goal should be allowed to stand. Cos I remember Michael Owen disagreeing with him. Owen first thought the goal should stand, but when he watched the replay at the end of the game, he changed his mind and said it shouldn't have. Dermot on the other hand said it should be allowed.
Rashford being offside the defenders already stopped paying attention to Bruno and he is in the eyeline of Ederson in goal.
Defenders no longer back off until the ref whistle. It has been like this for years because of the changes in the offside rule. Any defender who backs off before the ref blows on the whistle is playing with fire.
Edersons eyeline? Rashford was about 10 yards from him,has Edersons got no peripheal vision? or has he just got one eye? FFS if he couldn't see Bruno coming then,he.needs too go to SPECSAVERS.
But Rashford is so obviously in an offside position to begin with that no one should be focusing on him as the realistic threat
@@jameshall6061 😂😂😂😂😂
...maybe defenders should learn to play to the whistle! 😒😒😏🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Points:
- _Akanji would get the ball if Rashford isn't there:_ The ball is fizzed and AKANJI will not get to the ball even if Rashford isn't there. In that picture, it seems that Akanji would move and the ball would stay stagnant. It would not. The trajectory of the ball isn't straight, it's curved. So it would anyway reach Bruno curving across Akanji.
- _Rashford is shielding the ball:_ Look at the Rashford run again. He is looking at the Casemiro playing the ball and does not know who is onside or offside behind him. He assumes he's onside and starts running. At the very end when he turns his head in the front he sees, he is offside. Immediately he starts decelerating and stops. Meanwhile, Bruno is running at full pace all along and reaches the ball almost at the same spot where Rashford stops, which is coincidental. It is not that Rashford is shielding the ball all along. He does not know he is offside till the last moment when he turns his head.
- _Akanji and Ederson might act differently:_ Well you play to the whistle. They did not. After the goal went in, the linesman said it's offside. They should have played along as if he is onside. _Ederson is assuming Rashford would shoot:_ Well too bad for him, need to work on your assumptions big brother.
If you exclude Rashford from the play, would
1. Casemiro play a through ball into that channel where Bruno was not motioning to at any speed?
2. Akanji had to motion forward to spring the offside trap then get back running after the ball?
3. Akanji no change of direction may have been faster than Bruno since he was near the ball before Bruno made contact so if he didnt need to change direction to run back he would have caught the ball.
4. Ederson would have ran all the way out to kick the ball away. It was because there is no offside whistle for Rashford that he prepares himself for a shot instead of a full speed run to clear the ball.
Definitely could have gone the other way and no one would have complained. Edison is affected by Rashford's run but Akanji and Walker I feel is not. If they stop running because they think Rashford is offside it's their fault. Play to the whistle and show the ref you could have reached the ball.. I don't think either of them could have affected Bruno's shot anyway since the ball was always curving towards Bruno.
Offside if only was blocked by Rash
Everyone would complain
It's a robbery! Rashford was interfering!
Just crying baby 🤣🤣🤣
City Robbed Villa this season mate
@@DanielLoveMetallica 😱
Cry beautiful
@@GIBBO4182 seriously 🤣 don’t talk the wrong kid, referee just let the game play, not blew the whistle yet, the important is 3 point 😁 noisy neighbours is crying
Its a shame that Manchester United get these gifts so regularly. If I can recall correctly Man United is the only Team who has received a penalty after the full time whistle has already been blown.
Haha….swallow your tongue. The worst VAR decision we have ever witnessed was in fact in City’s favour. You know which one I’m talking about….the one where Rodri thought he was a GK. Incidentally City won the league by 1 point that season.
That's why we call them VARchester.
Freeze frame doesn't give us the speed of the ball. Akanji seems close to the ball but the ball is way to fast for him to intercept. Imo the only person who was distracted by Rashford was the goalkeeper who wouldn't know who will shoot. Neither Akanji(after he checked his run to make rashford offside) or walker who was too far from either bruno or the ball would have got there in time for bruno to hit the shot.
whats the point in trying to catch a player off side if this can happen in the future....awful decision
the ball was closer to Akanji...so one can logically infer that he would reach the ball first..
Even if they aren’t able to intercept the pass if rashford wasn’t there both could put pressure on Bruno’s shot
@@christopherreed3019 From your view. As Nitin said we cannot calculate the speed of the ball from a frozen frame. Remember, the ball was a long ball pass with high speed moving towards the direction of Bruno. That is why bruno reached the ball even before Walker closer to him.
@@christopherreed3019 That's dumb my guy. That both assumes Akanji and Fernandes is the same speed and that the ball was not moving towards either one of them both of which if you watch the actual footage are just clearly untrue
As long as Rashford didn't impact the MC player and doesn't touch the ball..there is nothing wrong with the goal
you should be a man united fan talking this rubbish be real and put your emotion behind that was supposed to be offside.
I'm happy they got the goal they deserved on the overall run of play, but it shouldn't have stood, Rashford should have stopped going for it and on the flip Akanji should have tried hard to get around Rashford, that said he was still impacting the situation enough to rule it out.
Akanji having to get round Rashford is the giveaway that he was impacting on play
@@tc3485 Right but if he made more effort to get around Rashford to get the ball he would have made the refs decision easier, he kind of backed off expecting the whistle.
😂😂😂😂I love the explanation 😅😅😅 while derma looking finished and defenceless Haha 😂 😅
It is what it us. They just need to adapt the rules for the future. I think with var should be more lenient. Attacker be onside with only one foot on line if ball goes out of play but apparently 2mm on the line means it's in play should be consistency
The ball was not static. It was moving away from Akanji and toward Bruno so it is not clear whether Akanji will get it first.
Glad someone else has pointed this out! The balls moving that fast and Akanji would have to completely change his direction of travel there is noway he gets to the ball before Bruno does
But did you guys watch ref watch ???,they just explained n agreed that akanji would have gotten to the ball first if Rushford was not there ,fast forward to 4:04m
@@karabokgopane3494 got my own eyes watched the game and watched refwatch he ain’t catching that ball . Walker could have caught Bruno if he’d have played to the whistle and continued tracking him but no chance Akanji is getting that ball
It's just Karma. Mancity benefited the offside rule loophole back in 2021 vs Aston Villa where rodri was offside and took the ball off Ming's and resulted in Bernardo Silva scoring.
Wrong.
petty
but he wasnt passed the ball a man city player, he tackled mings
My man watched mark goldbridge and robbed his comment🤣🤣
Two wrongs don’t make the decision right
The inconsistencies from theses refs has always been a problem. I’m a Man U fan but that was clear interference I’ve seen offsides called for less. Rashford hovered over the ball the entire play. At this point it’s over. Man City has won seasons with unfair called, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal etc. They just need better refs overall
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Not just better ref, but they need to also either keep VAR consistent or bin it.
Let them cry hard
the defence was never getting the ball or rashford anyways .. so no he didnt interfer with play
“Taking attention” is not deemed interfering with play, according to the rules. Stoping a player from playing the ball, touching the ball or blocking the eye-line of the ball are what they were looking for.
While I agree that this should have been given offside, I think having all this debates surely points out the bias against United. There have been similar decisions that went against United and everyone would just say "oh! that was unfair" and that would be the end of the matter.
Shout-out to all united fans who admit the unfair ruling.
u mean the ones who dont understand what they saw and what the rules say?....oh yea...kudos
@@tfuta6613 The rules say you can't interfere with play from an offside position, which is exactly what Rashford did. It is the wrongful interpretation and execution of the rules by the referee and VAR officials which is the problem, not the rule itself.
@@FreshAlchemy he wasn't interfering with play cus he was far from Akanji and Akanji can't make any tackle from where he was to make Rashford interfere with play...also the keeper was far from the action with his vision set on the ball which doesn't make Rashford blocking his view to make it seem he was interfering with play....it's the correct call by the ref...Akanji should have raised his hand wen he set the off and must not let Rashford go far from him...should have foul Rashford wen he was closer to the ball
It's called Gamesmanship what Rashford did. He was more aware of the situation than the opponent and intelligent enough to not touch the ball. And let me remind you that it was Pep who introduced tactical fouling and it is regarded as an extremely cunning ploy. Here he got outwitted. That's life!! Don't complain and move on.
Tactical fouling isn't something Pep started, are you mad? It's always been a part of the game
It's offside and you can't admit it, your team deserved a draw at the very most
United fan. Definitely offside, don't even understand why this is even being made into something with debates. Clearly offside, clearly interfering with play.
Didn't touch the ball, but blocks runs, gk etc. 100% offside. Some of these rules are just stupid and need addressing properly. Happened with Salah goal Vs wolves.
Then what is the punishment for being offside? With this interpretation, the only thing an offside player would get tagged for is to actually touch the ball. They can obstruct players, run after the ball and shield it from the opposition, and go in front of the keeper and block their vision. And Gallagher's explanation of looking at what the referee is seeing, he has a clear vision of Ederson facing up to Rashford.
Can we please acknowledge that akanji slowed his run towards the ball before the ref made any call? Players should play to the whistle, if he would have played to the whistle it could have been a totally different outcome.
Exactly, players are told to play to the whistle, it's been a years now you no longer see defenders playing the flag or intuition, with var you don't risk it anymore. If he backs off it's on him
Not only did Rashford interfere. But the goal standing interfered with the rest of the game and was a big factor in Man Utd getting the winner short after. Well done to Man U for taking advantage but one can argue that refs gave Man Utd the win.
The rules changed. No such thing as interfering with play anymore when it comes to offsides. Keep banging that drum
You're right !
Rashford would be invisible with or without ball, Bruno was onside still would've scored the goal
lol
No. City players were sleeping. Its their own fault.
I'm not a fan of either but rodri handball last season against everton came straight to my mind...city won the title with the help of that decision. They only lost 3 points here GG's
Agreed. And we didn't get 86 videos crying about it either.
It is so obvious that this should have been disallowed for offside.
Just ask 2 questions:
1. Have you ever seen any other goal when a player who is yards offside, runs towards the ball, alongside the ball and is, in effect, in possession of the ball? (Answer - no, never)
2. How many times have you seen the AR raise their flag, when a player is standing in an offside position and they start to run towards the ball? (Answer - hundreds of times)
Regardless of what the rule states, the standard interpretation is always, as soon as the player moves towards the ball, he is offside. In other words, the AR should have raised his flag immediately and the ref blown for offside before it even developed. That’s the normal practice. End of!
Imagine Fernandes did not shoot but passed it to Rashford instead, and Rashford would score. He would not be offside then either 😀
It is still obstruction by Rashford.
@@jcbones3098 agreed, he would still be obstructing, and the goal would have most probably stood anyway. it is mad.
Yes this would be given and it would be correct. So long as MR was in onside position when receiving the pass from BF
But Fernandes would not be getting to that ball ever if Rashford is not there.
When the passive offside practice was introduced, it wasn't meant for situations like these. This should be given offside
If the referees used their common sense and basic intelligence, and considered the context and nuance of any gien incident, rather than just interpreting and executing the rules of the game like brainless robots, it still wouldn't be a problem. At this point we literally may as well just replace referees and VAR officials with Artificial Intelligence, it would make no difference! Not that I want that to happen, but that's how bad it is.
What is not clear in the still image, in which it seems Akanji is much closer to the ball is that the ball is moving towards Bruno so it is not quite clear who would get to the ball first. A very complicated and tough decision and I think no matter who one supports if that decision was against your team you would probably get really upset.
the problem with these new offside rules is that if someone is offside he would always be affecting play because a defender would always still be marking the player not sure that the player is offside, even if the ball is going to another player.
It’s very clear who the ball was played to
@@mpproductions2770 That's not relevant to any decision, For example, if you play a free kick into the box and you are targeting a player and miss him and the ball lands to a player who is onside it would still be a goal if he scores.
United Fan here , An Offside should be stand as Offside whether one is interfering with play or not… that law really needs amendments because it doesn’t make any sense
Rashford affects the defenders period. If he's not there they run towards Bruno.
It was offside simple
It wouldn't be offside if it was your team
@@bungidon3167 alot of united fans are saying it's offside as well so what r u on about
@@giovannit2k721 cause there Idiots 💀
Rashy impacted everyone who couldn't handle united winning all their games lol
Clearly not offside. The defenders, the keeper should have ignored Rashford, he wasn't allowed to touch the ball. So just play like he isn't there. Very intelligent play by city.
This just shows the written rules need to be further developed - if it’s too open to interpretation you’re setting refs up for failures… . Keep the rule as is so it’s consistent this season then change it for next year… .
Personally - happy the goal stood!
I agree! This is what makes football exciting. Always play until the whistle!
@@christiankolstad7685 double agree if it happened to man united i would be so angry but 3 points in the bag 🤣
Amazing how refs never get punished for stupid decisions that cause teams points. This was a clear case of offside
He didn’t touch it, play the game to the whistle and stop looking for silly offsides like “impacting play”, someone should of been tracking Bruno, garbage defending
But it wasn't clear, did you not watch the video? Even the ex ref said himself "its subjective" and offside was the "safest decision" not the clear decision. And yes I think its offside too.
He might as well have sherperded it all the way to the post and Bruno tapped in and you would still not see anything wrong. Offside all day, all week, all year long
Cry more
Why would you punish people for errors while they are doing their job. Everybody who works, makes mistakes. If you want to punish refs for making mistakes, you also have to reward them for running a match error-free. "Here is 10k, good job." Finally, a ref making mistakes, will be punished, big games will start to elude him.
Looking at the way the play developed, Akanji and Walker would never get on time to avoid Bruno's shot. But everyone is forgetting the nuance Guardiola himself introduced in the post-match interview, which was that the high line made by City would never be made if the ball was intended for Bruno. Bruno was well behind, so Akanji/Walker could 've easily run back before the pass was made to Bruno, if that was the case. That in itself is interfering with play. The fact that that pass was intended for Rashford influenced the way City's defence positioned themselves as opposed to what they would've done if it was to Bruno. But if that is debatable, Ederson positioning is not. There's no way he could've known for sure if Rashford was offside, so he had to try to defend him. Offside all day.
All of this is subjective, that's why the ref made his decision, not even VAR can prove for a fact that a City player was affected by Rashford's actions.
@@sihlebebeza2323 Ederson's position is not subjective
Who really knows, Casemiro could have said he was passing it to Bruno because Rashford was offside. And Bruno wasn't blocking or made any obvious move that threw City players away. That's for City to get it right.
@@amenstal123 that doesn't matter, the guy was in possession of the ball, he ran with the ball at his feet despite not not touching it.
Which game were you watching? Dead set on Akanji reaching the ball or at least making a block if Trashford didn't guide the ball and change the trajectory of Akanjis run. Under any circumstance that was a clear offside. Some Man Utd fans can't believe that goal was given.
“If any one of my players isn't interfering with play, they're not getting paid" - Brian Clough
Why don't these referees be put to task to give an account of their decisions 🤔🤔
He's keep saying the chances of that happening again is remote but look back over many years and situations have happened similar to this many times. A similar situation happened yesterday in the Spurs/Arsenal derby. The ball was played through to a Spurs player who was offside so he lifted his leg up and let the ball run underneath him and then Son ran on to shoot and only a save by Ramsdale stopped a goal. Nobody even mentioned it, but if Son had scored the goal would have been given. This rule has existed in some form for decades because Brian Clough, when still a manager, said if he isn't interferring with play then why is he on the pitch.
Not the same if he lets the ball run through him. Rashford ran with and towards the ball keeping it under his body.
@@propertyler same principle. The defender might have left him to run offside and other defender might not have chased Son because he knew other attacker was offside. Alexis Sanchez scored a similar goal while playing for Arsenal. The forward who was offside ran towards the ball in front of the keeper then let Sanchez score. Same principle. I'm sure there are many examples if people looked for them. Like i said this has gone on for years. Listening to all the pundits you would think that a situation like Rashfords had never happened before
@@alantheloneranger not the same principle. Rashford had the ball and never gave up on the play. All these examples you are mentioning are of players that give up the play or are too far away to have an impact on the defence.
@@ruilopes00 not the Sanchez one. Sanchez practically takes it from his teammates feet
@3.45: the analysis is completely wrong. Until you factor in the direction and the pace at the which the ball is travelling, it’s impossible to say whether akanji or Bruno would’ve gotten to the ball first.
*So, all Akanji had to do was engage with Rashford and it would've been deemed offside?* Then it is down to poor defending, trying to play offside when Bruno was coming from deep.
Ederson can see Bruno the whole time, Akanji doesn't/can't get to Rashford or the ball (the ball is in movement, travelling toward Bruno, stationary picture is useless) and Walker isn't getting there before Bruno.
It's a perfectly legal goal and I hope it keeps boiling your piss.
When I was young my coach always told me “play until the whistle blows” if the city players would have played on and tried to get the ball the offside would have been given. When it comes down for the ref to decide he can makes he’s own min according to what he see . Yes Rashford is clearly offside but does he block Akanji or Walker from reaching the ball no he doesn’t. The goal is made because the City players being sure the ref will
Call offside .
Ok but who does he play, Rushford or Bruno, play the whistle but who do play???????
Until offsides let the play run before bringing it back
If no rashford Akanji gets to that ball and also there is no way Fernandez would get to that ball before walker if no rashford it's wrong in all levels of the game, I hate when people come here to justify that ridiculous call by the referee
Akanji would've cleared that ball because as you see that picture without Rashford, he would get to it. Rashford was in the way and he wanted to shoot, that's why Akanji couldn't clear the ball.
Another defender in that picture is Walker, whom me and you know has more pace to get to the ball before Bruno.
The keeper too would have come out but he didn't as he was reacting to Rashford's "wanting to shoot" so he keeps his distance.
The player movement is with the assumption that Rashford receives the ball. If you go chasing after the wrong player that’s not because you didn’t play to the whistle.
If it was offside, why did the Man City players go after the ball? If it's such an obvious outside, why didn't they raise their hands and call it? The whistle would have been blown. I put this one on the Man City players, THEN the ref, because they played on as though it was a legitimate play. Considering the pace that this team plays it at, it's their ignorance of the rules that has cost them and allowed the goal to stand.
This is what I've been saying. Had Akanji made the run for the ball with Rashford in front of him and made contact with him, even close the gap further, then It would have been a clear-cut decision. But he stopped. What for? I've always been taught that the game is played until you hear the whistle. So yeah, I agree entirely with you, it's on Akanji for me.
The answer is so obviously no . That offside should have been called .
If “interfering” with the players is what to go by, can we also use the same analogy on Free kicks where like 2,3 or more players pass on the ball before the next one kick it?
"A subjective offside" I'm sorry a what now? everyone knows it shouldn't have stood. I think the ref asked the linesman if Rashford touched it and when he said he didn't he gave the goal off his own back without any more thought. He reached the decision too quick for it to be anything else.
Every desperate Bertie you mean. Once a bitter always a bitter. Even oil money chat change that. City fans tapping into their true selves, Division one ☝🏻class.
One moment we're told offside is "factual", now suddenly it's subjective. Pathetic levels of incompetence. This goes to show we can't take anything they say seriously from now on.
@@larryblagoon8467 Grow up!
I'm Man Utd fan and it's clear this was offside. Probably the worst call of the year so far in many ways. But ref and linesman only see this once at full speed so mistakes can happen. Rashford was clearly going for the ball and that alone means he is affecting the game. Had he stopped without blocking the defender behind him, or continued his right-side run - we could say he was not interfering. Personally - I think 3 City players would have gotten to the ball before Bruno had Rashford not moved with the ball.
Var could not help there according to the Dermot. But I think the Ref should have gone to the screen ANYWAY to see in replays how much the offside player was interfering in that case. It would also have led to the right call afterward IMHO. Offside all day long.
Nice try City boy.
Arsenal fan here. although it benefits us that was clear offside. It happened to city today but it can happen to united or arsenal if we don’t say it
@@Ciilow24 To be honest - we might see these sorts of reverse offside traps in the offense more and more. Some forwards staying deliberately offside and let the ball go past them to another runner that is coming from the deep. This is one of the dangers of high-line defending.
Im not surprised for this goal is the old same Varchester United
Ikanji was NEVER getting that ball before Fernandes. One aspect wasn’t discussed was the SPEED OF THE BALL. RASHFORD made zero attempt to play the ball. It happens loads of time where a ball is played for a player and he checks his run to allow a onside teammate to continue the play. PLAY TO THE WHISTLE ! Most basic rule in football - MAN City players switched off and they made an already difficult subjective decision possible.
Even Ederson would've swept that ball up before Fernandes was getting there. Regardless, Rashford is clearly interfering with play from an offside position, and that's the bottom line.
The worst refereeing mistakes are the ones where the correct decision is so blindingly obvious. Horror decision.
All these online referees know better than actual referees
Learn the rules
@@realniggashit49 I've played and watched football my entire life. Most of these referees are teachers and former bank managers. I come from italy and our Collin's favourite sport is basketball. They're making decisions for a sport they don't understand.
@@realniggashit49 yes we actually do
@@alexred1038 Rashford is interfering with play. That is very clear to see. two former strikers and a former defender on match of the day all unanimously agreed that it was offside - so obvious. And as we just heard from a former ref - he also knows it's the most blatant offside.
If a defender steps up to play someone offside who is gaining the advantage, the defender or the forward. If Akanji ran with Rashford instead of playing the offside trap, then he could of made the tackle.
But he didn't. Bad call from him.
yes, if he tackle and rasford tries to interfere then it is offside, the defender were too lazy to think.
If you play off side then is difficult to catch the player you are always behind.
He's not obliged to commit himself and make a tackle until he feels it's necessary. The whole situation is a farce, the City defenders all knew Rashford was offside and Rashford clearly interfered with play thereafter. Goal should never have stood in a million years.
@@diawannoto You do not understand football, clearly. If you think all defenders do is lunge in for tackles at the soonest opportunity....then you are beyond help.
When you photoshop Rashford out of there, you lot seem to forget the ball is also moving
This is true !the ball beat the defender fair and square
The guy who is explaining this is terrible . It is not about safest decision but because about very simple decision Rashford interfered with a play and therefore Off Side
The goal itself it's not offside, it's a straight pass from casemiro to bruno and there's no offside player barging a defender or goalkeeper or blocking the view
The real question is casemiro passed it to an offside player who realised he was offside then left it for an onside player.
Lol. The offside player ran clean through on goal and only then realized he was offside when he was about to shoot, checked his shot and you say he didn’t interfere with play. Uni tree e fans justifying this is exactly why people hate their club. A simple it’s offside but I don’t care would be understandable.
@DundasKing I did not say rashford did not interfere.
I'm saying the goal itself is not offside, it's a pass from casemiro to bruno who's onside who's got walker marking and did not affect walkers position nor did rashford block or nudge the keeper/walker or his view from an offside position
The whole debate comes from the build up in rashfords case as he was interfering with the play although it did not affect walker.
It seems unanimous from every comment... he was OFFSIDE
Rashford was offside. But the idea that Akanji would’ve cleared the ball because he was closer than Bruno defeats logic. That only works when all the player are running at the same speed. There’s no guarantee Akanji would’ve cleared the ball. Rashford in no way prevented Akanji or Ederson from clearing the ball. They made their own decision to assume for the referees.
The rules have to be revised