Star Wars: Why Darth Vader Was Right (And Had a Secret Plan to Save the Galaxy)
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- Darth Vader is one of the all-time greatest villains of all time--or is he? With the benefit of the prequels and the Clone Wars series, we know why Anakin chose to become Darth Vader--and it was always to accomplish good. Yes, he committed reprehensible, unforgivable sins. But to gully understand the character, you have to study the context of his actions. When you step back and look at Anakin's life, you see that his goals were noble, but his means were terrible.
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When do you think Anakin became irredeemable?
Wow
yes
* spelling error "gully"...assuming you meant "fully"
I don't think he was ver irreedeemable and I think that's the point. You'll allaways have time to change. Kinda like the point on Logan. "You still have time". For me Vader was allways a good guy in heart, regreting everthing he has ever done, but not knowing how he could do any better.
I always felt it was too big of a rush between his "fall" and his horrible deeds right after. To me him doing truly horrible deeds would have felt more "real" after he got burned and left for dead by Obi Wan
Anakin: I don't sleep well anymore.
Obi Wan: because of your mother?
Anakin: because of your mother
savage
Yooooo
Every villain is the hero of their own story.
Well said!
Maybe expect the Joker, he enjoys being the bad guy
@@LoneWolf677 the hero releasing ppl from their life as a comic book character and with a laugh and smile as they depart. He knows hes a comic book character and wants to either prove it or end it all or get rich and powerful and just have fun while he can.
No, every villain is the protagonist of their own story. Some villains know that they're bad, others are misguided.
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
Vader IS Star Wars to me. It was unfortunate Anakin did not make an appearance somehow in episode IX other than a voice over.
It should have happened - Disney sucks.
Because Disney hates Prequels.
No need to taint his image by associating him with that mess. As far as Im concerned it was just a quick force vision Luke had after picking up Grogu.
@@griveouswithhislightsabers3665 The prequels sucked as quality films but they had heart and personality that the new trilogy failed to have :/
@Giovanni Roman How is his opinion a lie?
The "Ray Palpatine all along" line was just to enfuriate everyone! :-D Well played...
That may have been the intent, but for me, it just left me sad thinking of those poor additions to SW cannon. Here's to hoping those are written out.
I know this video is a year old, but it was such good rage bait, that I had to come down here and add to the comments and say "well played, very well played" :)
Jedi have a code that forbids attachment, and then they pair young children with life-long mentors. Yeah… that makes sense.
Catholic Priests in Space
@@LuxInvidious 😳
"Ironic."
"Life-long?" yeah nah
@@mouseshadow5828 for those in order 66, yes. „Life-long“😂
The murdering the kids has allways hit different for me. I cant't help of thinking that little boy looking so similar to Jake Loyd was no coincidence. It was a metaphor, like he was actually killing the young Anakin. Also, by the look on his face when he does it, seems to me that he was just "protecting" those kids. Like a quick death was just better then being forced to join the dark side or being totured to death by palpatine.
Bruh I just thought that scene was funny
They not only found a kid that looked like Jake Lloyd, he even had the same stilted delivery 😂
@Mr Glass now that's a bummer LOL. Talk about looking too much into things 😂
Obiwan to Luke. “This is your father’s lightsaber. It’s killed a-lot of children.”
@@BrunoSarlas Not at all. It doesn't change anything for me.. Whether or not it was intentional is besides the point. The metaphor works, regardless.
On Mustafar, Anakin said to Padme that he can "overthrow The Emperor" and in Return of the Jedi, he kills Palpatine.
" Soul Calibur " video game, Vader body slams, tosses, or does an Emperor Palpatine on opponents he defeats.
My D&D RPG game shop I went to over viewed the " overthrown the Emperor " scene along with reading the novel.
Emperor, " Well young Skywalker you are a Fool just as your Father was ! And now you die."
Vader did not take insults lightly.
Oh he over [head] threw him alright
He literally threw him
@@dirisiri1267 Exactly.
Well he did THROW him OVER, so I say he did OVERTHROW Palpatine. 💪
I feel like Vader was biding his time and strategizing. Then he said, "Eff it", and just killed Palpatine in a bout of emotion.
"Han shot first." Actually, no. Han was the only one to shoot. Greedo was dead before he knew what happened. ~End rant
That doesn't look as good on a T-shirt tho does it.
Charles Soule's current comic series is doing a good job of showing the torture Palpatine used to crush Vader and keep him in line.
The rule of 2 is really the rule of number 2 overthrowing number 1 (you are, Number 6), so Palps has to both stifle that and be proud that his apprentice is trying to overthrow him.
@@tbx59 it's all about the punctuation
Yes it's pretty great.
You need to separate all these comics and books from George Lucas's Star Wars. None of that has any influence over his creation.
"When I said other people could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one.
They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions." - George Lucas 2005
@@JackRipper8881 That is true, but the post-purchase fiction is all officially canon, sayeth The Mouse.
"Thanos did nothing wrong"
Vader: "Hold my blue milk"
Vader did kill a few people, but not half the universe :)
Who's been secretly saving everything?
It's been Darth Vader all along
Who's been pulling every string?
It's been Darth Vader all along
He’s the chosen one
So powerful
That you haven't even noticed
And the secret is (the secret is)
Secret, secret, secret, secret
It's too late to stop him
Now that everything has gone right
Thanks to Darth Vader (Vader breathing noises)
Anakin Skywalker
It's been Darth Vader all along!
And I killed Palpatine too
I love this
All the Hayden scenes have more meaning, and his acting when pared with the explanation feels stronger, as if his acting was to convey those feelings.
His acting still sucked.
@@adamjones-ps why did they write him to be so whiny? Also his character arc was so off then rushed I don't think the actor ever had a chance man
There's another video by Star Wars Theory where he discusses a book about the early SW days, showing quotes from George Lucas, referring to himself as the king of wooden dialog. In those quotes, Lucas explains how he uses dialog the same way he uses music and sound effects. He puts more value on what he considers to be the way a scene feels as a whole and seeing what he wants to have communicated, disregarding the acting quality or realistic dialog, etc.
@@savageshot3723 You guys are the biggest whiners ever. 🙄
he got a lot of flack for his ''whining child acting'' - and I was among those critics of him as well, but exactly like you said, when you drive into the lore so deep, like I have really been enjoying, and understand what the character was, ie the child, then into the Jedi, then the loss, the fear of loss of his love that drove him to the dark, etc etc - yeah hat off to him he done an amazing job.
"Anakin, why did you kill those younglings?!"
"It's a surprise tool which will help us later"
"to be sure, but not a welcome one!"
This is why I think if Qui-Gon was still alive, Anakin would probably never have had experienced the dark side because unlike the other dogmatic, obtuse and old fashioned jedis who forbid and avoid normal and natural feelings like attachments, fear or anger, Qui-Gon wanted to acknowledge them in order to control them and take the best of it, which was exactly what Anakin needed. That’s why he was not very loved in the Jedi council and that’s why he was a way wiser and better Jedi than Yoda. The dude was so awesome that he ends up guiding Yoda in his force form in Clone Wars. 👀
Qui-Gon is by far, my favorite Jedi.
Darth Sidious calling Vader during the siege of the Jedi temple.
Sidious: Lord Vader while you're there collect all the younglings, we can turn and train them to become sith inquisitors!
...............YOU DID WHAAAAT?!!!!!!
he did had a plan, but some how palpatine has returned
Disney really messed it up Palpatine coming back is almost illegal lol
But Palps put those visions of Padme in his head and manipulated him into causing them. Wanted him to stop her death by causing her death
Palpatine played Vader like a puppet. He was a master at mental manipulation!
Nope anakin was the chosen one he had the power to see the future easier and everything he saw actually happened
@@sohrab4371 yes it happened, but it was a self-fulfilling prophecy
That was largely rumored that Palpatine did that. I wouldn't put it past him, either.
That’s a weak theory. Palpatine at best reinforced Anakins fear by offering a solution. Anakin ALWAYS had visions of the future. And the future can always be changed. Anakin seen a possible future and Palms led his down the path that made that possible future become a reality.
I didnt wake up today thinking I'd watch a 12 minute video about Darth Vader but i gotta say, very happy i did! One of my favorite videos from your channel!
It's been canon in my head all along, since playing the alternate ending to the RotS game, that Anakin wanted to kill Palpatine from the beginning. Vader turned on everything and everyone he knew on the promise to save Padme, and then Padme died. So, that plus the rule of two of the sith, makes it seem more sensible to me that Vader wanted to kill Palpatine, but couldn't. Why couldn't he? Well, Palpatine bested the best Jedi, Anakin/Vader always felt inferior in terms of power, and now that he was in a mechanical life preserving suit and his master could essentially shock him to death, there was no way to overpower the emperor. Unless, someone uniquely strong in the force, in the prime of his/her life came along. And that's why he offered Luke to fight against the emperor. Do you think a loyal lap dog would turn that easy for a son that he never knew or raised? No, but a disloyal, unwilling servant would jump at the first opportunity to kill the one person that ruined everything for him.
When ROTS came out, Lucas did an interview in Rolling Stone and said (IIRC): Anakin is potentially 120% of Palaptine's power in The Force, but only about 75% after he becomes Vader.
He was always the chosen one destined to destroy the sith and the Jedi and so he did.
And thus bring balance to the Force. Be wary of prophecies, they might not go the way you expect. Like Thanos,he did bring the force into balance. "Perfectly balanced. As all things should be." “A small price to pay for salvation.”
@@debianswami8204 Dork.
Thank you
Palme dying was almost a self fulfilling prophecy. If he hadn’t given into his nightmares and been easily manipulated Palme would have been fine.
Yea but the war would've kept on and the Jedi wouldn't realize their folly.
“He must stand trial”, but of course the younglings are guilty punishable by death without a trial.
It all goes back to the line he said to Obi-Wan later... "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil." Mace Windu showed he was no better than the Sith because when it was truly important he threw aside his Jedi code. Mace Windu lost himself to his fear in the end, it just happened to be Anakin's lightsaber (and Palpatine's lightning) that cast him down from the heights Jedi claimed to inhabit.
@@justinjohnson9627 Windy was fighting for his life. Just watched Palpstine take out several jedi easily. For all their failures, it is absolutely not true that they were just as bad. Anakin killed a helpless Dooku and how many innocents later on. He didn't care about Jedi code when he tried to stop windu, it was about using Palpatine to help padme. He already knew that palpatine had been using him and manipulating both sides in the war. Windy having a tough moral decision in a life threatening situation is not all like machinations and manipulations and deaths caused by the sitj
Or was he truly saving the younglings from a more gruesome future or death. Left alive Palpatine would’ve used those children for his own desires including experimenting on them as he tried with the stolen younglings.
From someone who lives in Dayton, OH Ryan liking the Reds might be the best part of these videos in a long long time
it's not hypocritical to learn you were wrong and change...good grief
Wow this essay was profoundly poignant addressing many challenging issues facing individuals and societies... all presented superbly via our fav villain / hero. WELL DONE THANK YOU!
Last monologue part of this video was very well written and said!
Excellent video @ScreenCrush! Thanks a lot for the clever writing on this!
I think you've finally hit the last stage of grief and accepted Episode IX
it doesnt exist, just a force vision that didnt come to pass. VII, VIII and IX should all be retconned as such.
I'll believe it when he calls her Rey Skywalker
@@dAeveFellows And the prequels right with it. The whole Jedi fighting in the War and _as generals_ on top of it made absolutely no sense at all. Seriously, in the Clone Wars cartoon, Ki Adi Mundi deploys friggin _flamethrowers_ and not against droids, against the Geonosians!
Agree. When Disney goes bankrupt and sells off Star Wars, whatever studio owns it should come out with its own new Episodes VII, VIII, IX. Just ignore the Disney ones were ever made.
@@peewypeabody4284 I'm sure that was part of Palpatine's plan. Getting them out of their comfort zone to leading a war and twisting their morals so that they're pulled out of their inner balance and becoming vulnerable in their minds and souls, becoming something they once considered as abhorrent. Also that's why they were leading actual people instead of droids. Even if they were clones, they were depicted as human as possible in the animated series, to reinforce the idea that Jedi believes in preserving lives, yet they are leading these clones to almost certain death.
This was one of the most well thought out explanations I've heard! Great job!
Thanks for confirming what I’ve been saying to anybody that would listen: the Prequel trilogy is the best trilogy of all the Star Wars movies AND one of the best of all movie trilogies. I said what I said.
And at least they have some continuity.
Maybe only because the story had to end the way it ended to fit the original trilogy
I agree! I love Darth Vader tho, so..biased! 🤷♂️
It’s sad that episode 9 undermined the Star Wars saga by having the emperor return and Rey truly defeat him, it felt like Anakin’s ark was meaningless.
hopefully they retcon it in the future since dave filoni has been offically named the creative director of star wars
Your videos about Star Wars are brilliant. Please continue doing this kind of videos. EXCELLENT!!! A+
You presented POVs I had not considered. Excellent analysis.
This was quite a deep analysis. Very educational and informative.
0:20 Han was the only one that shot. Greedo never shot. Greedo got shot.
I thought the High Republic was just a group of stoner jedi.. guessed that's when green lightsabers became popular
THIS.
Ryan, I think this is your best video! Great analysis and explanation!
Yet another fantastic video essay. Thanks!
I absolutely love watching all your videos ( especially all things Star Wars) I’ve seen them all but this is my first time commenting. Ryan, you bring SO much depth and meaning to SW content, i am constantly floored but your perspective and knowledge of lore and story telling. Please keep up the amazing work you’re doing and I’ll make sure to comment more 😉❤️
This was a great well thought out video. I enjoyed how you presented your arguments. I don't agree with all your perspectives but I throughly enjoyed it nonetheless. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
What an absolutely amazing video. Well done Screen Crush
One of the rumors about Shmi Skywalker's abduction by Tusken Raiders was that Palpatine was behind that. That he influenced the Tusken Raiders to abduct Anakin's mother and torture her to the point of near-death.
Thanks for the update
8:13 "...he just saw 3 Jedi try to overthrow the government." 4 Jedi ignite light sabers in the room... Math!
Well, he actually saw 3 corpses and 1 who was struggling to deflect Force Lightning.
well, that first one was cut down in like half a second so I dunno if you can really call that "trying"
Very nteresting and thought filled analysis. All things politic can be shown to have some form of logic and morality. Justification and rationality via examples regardless of how convoluted and twisted the explanations may be can be made to seem righteous. Well done Ryan.
I love the lore of the Prequels ( including the Clone Wars media with the micro series and the Clone Wars cg series.) I also grew up with the 77 - 83 the Original Trilogy and also read the comics and media of that era. Basically the George Lucas era.
I was sad this was ended after revenge of the sith.
It is not that simple with the Tuskens. They abducted and tortured Anakin’s mother to death over the course of a month. A month. Thirty people went out after her and only four, Cliegg (Shmi’s husband) who lost his leg and three others, came back. Anakin had visions of what was happening to his mother. The dialogue indicates he had at least four.
The Tuskens in The Mandalorian or ANH might not do horrible things but the tribe that took Anakin’s mother did. Anakin was at least remorseful about what he did to them and Padmé saw that. Would the Tuskens have been remorseful for what they did to Shmi?
Sounds like Art Imitating life(real history). Good points! agreed!
Anakin wasn't the least bit remorseful about what he did. He literally told Padme that he enjoyed killing the men, women, and children. And to top it all off, he blamed Obi-Wan for supposedly holding him back.
@@decepticonxhunter4850 He was upset and crying over it. He says I’m a Jedi. I know I’m better than this. About killing the Tuskens. He thought Obi-Wan was holding him back regarding his training.
another awesome video! thank you for your work!!!
I like your channel, and have been a fan for sometime. I believe this is the first time I have commented. Great Vblog! Great appreciation of art, and life.
I really enjoyed this video. Thank you!
Rey Palpatine is the single most embarrassing character in modern fiction. For many generations onward she will be the living embodiment of everything NOT to do with a franchise character. In that sense, I do feel bad for Daisy Ridley.
This was an excellent analysis and a delightful surprise. Well argued.
That was brilliant and insightful! You got it right!!
Well done I always saw it like this you explained it well.
Awesome analysis as always.
Anyone else notice Pete Rose's picture is from his Phillies stint?
In that counseling scene he all tells him that it’s dangerous to look on the future.
Great analysis!!
I agree 99,9%, because I think Anakin HAD to make a choice between Windu and Palpatine. He chose the second, but he always knew the chancellor did that for power, not to make the world better. Anakin was just too far gone.
This is perfect timing for me because I just started rewatching Clone Wars and kept thinking about how messed up the Jedi really are- it's actually pretty frustrating to watch. Like you see the tragedy of Obi Wan and Satine's relationship, how Anakin is repeatedly told not to rescue Ahsoka when she is lost or in danger, how the clones are not allowed to have any other life other than be a soldier and tend to objectify themselves. A LOT of padawan children get completely abandoned and are stuck on a planet to be hunted with no hope of someone finding them because the Jedi are supposed to keep moving from mission to mission and not form attachments, etc. And the Jedi are all just expected to be okay with it. Worse- when they do experience loss they are expected to just get over it as soon as possible and keep fighting.
I feel like Ahsoka is kinda the only person who comes to the right conclusion in this whole thing- like she becomes independent but doesn't turn to the dark side. She continues to use her gifts to try to save lives. I agree with Barriss and Anakin's conclusion about the Jedi for the most part, but not their actions based on their conclusions.
I just watched Ki Adi Mundi deploy flamethrowers against the geonosians (not the droids, the actual humanoids)! This is not the Jedi I know and for me, this is what finally made me stop watching the series. It's just all a senseless clusterfuck made for 12 y/o.
This was a great take screen crush 👍🏼
Awesome work.
Awesome video🤙🏻
Great work.
This is a very good very underrated channel
The very end of this video (Leia: 'What!') made my day. Partly because I agree, mostly because you wholeheartedly knew the pot you were stirring, and I love it.
The slaughter of the Tusken Raiders scene *always* bothered me. That was pure and simple evil, and then everyone just moved on like it was no biggie. You slaughter an entire village out of revenge, you're already on the dark side.
Watching this video, I'm noticing that there were SO many strange looking lightsaber hilts used in this era. So many have cross guards in one form or another and one Twi'lek even has a basket hilt, of sorts.
Props for using original footage. The less dramatic Death Star explosion and the original Emperor hologram were a nice call back
Great video
It’s actually Rey Skywalker, and the reason I accepted her as Rey skywalker is because at the end of the movie her soul is a blend of both Ben solo and Rey Palpatine it’s it’s like the two souls have now merged into the one body therefore while not a blood relative she is an adoptive daughter of the skywalker legacy.
This video was so good up until the final seconds when he mentioned Rey 😂
This is one of my favorite videos
i love how this videos make me rethink my life
"Yes they were lead by a sith lord, but so was the republic" I actually screamed 😭😭😭
this is a great breakdown of the prequels and Vader's trajectory.
U know i have always known this but you do a great job explaining it
ive got the same Kelvin and Hobbs collection i absolutely love them
Great job.
just a historical point to correct, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military targets. Hiroshima was home to japans 2nd army headquarters, military store houses and major staging grounds, Nagasaki while not a primary target did have a lot of factories factories producing weapons, especially torpedo's for the Japanese fleet. still terrible weapons but they weren't just dropped on random towns
And the usual bombing of cities was indiscriminate firebombing. Most cities have some kind of military value during war such as factories and military facilities, but LeMay decided to firebomb places rather than do precise bombing because it was safer for the crews. But it also resulted in entire cities burning to the ground and at least as many deaths as an atom bomb would result in.
As always, great analysis, makes me want to watch the prequels again☺️👍🏼
"It was the Republic troops who attacked first to arrest three prisoners who were trespassing on Geonosian territory."
That's not...wait...is that how that shook out?
At least that's Dooku must have said at the Confederacy's Senate.
These Jedi shortcomings were rightfully pointed out by Luke in TLJ. So cool to have these ideas developed in the video!
Yup, I abhorred TLJ, but having Luke become disillusioned with the Jedi and try to understand their total failure in the Clone Wars was actually the best part of the plot IMO. How Luke reacted to his disillusionment, however ....
Anakin kinda had to kill the younglings to sleep himself deepr into the dark side. Such an atrocious action would bringer him closer to the Dark.
Especially during the sequel trilogy, the lines of "good and evil" are blurred more often than they are clear. Even during the original trilogy, there are moments where the good guys do kinda messed up things (mainly in Return of the Jedi). The reason Luke Skywalker isn't the biggest example of hypocrisy is because he believes that the Force is simply what it is, using the Light or the Dark side is a tool to be used for the right job. Luke uses Force Choke on two Gamorrean guards at Jabba the Hutt's palace and he succumbs to anger during his final duel with Darth Vader at the end. But even then, he never gives in to one side over the other. He still believes that both sides are valuable tools to be used in specific situations. The Republic would view that as blasphemy.
Love that last bit about Rey! Call me crazy but the irony that it all came down to her makes perfect sense. It makes me love this space opera even more.
Nice breakdown
We created this series and subsequently the force. We, the people of this world dictate what the will of the force is. Because it's a story, the will of the force is to make a good story. The name of the series is Star WARS. If there is no war, it's not a story about Star Wars.
We are the greatest threat to the galaxy. The monster. Worse than any Sith Lord or any Emperor could ever dream of being.
best star wars video in a while
The killing the younglings thing would have been more palatable if they had written it to where Anakin shows up to the temple with the 501st already there. They have guns drawn on the younglings. Anakin hesitates before they are shot down. This way he doesn't necessarily murder them but he doesn't save them.
Love all you do. At 4 min in I was thinking to myself...this is a fantastic video. Now back to watching😊
The last part really got me 😆😆
I agree with everything you said except the part about Rey Palpatine … As Darth might say: “Those sequel films no longer have any meaning to me.”
I’m just hoping Grogu doesn’t turn to the dark side.🤠
Let's hope not! Hew's had a few questionable moments!
So am I. :/
That "Rei" comment at the end - electric! :)
Holy shit you’re good at these videos. I love how your properly analyse the political and philosophical aspects of films in such an amazing way
He: “it was ray all along.”
Me: “what! No!”
Screencrush, this was very unexpected... Are you trying to tell me something, eh?
"You must unlearn what you have learned." ...
Impressive .... a most impressive analysis. I feel it, ;)
id like to see a universe where palpatine wasnt a sith and was genreally just nice to anakin to see how things would play out