OBI-WAN KENOBI Plot Holes EXPLAINED and Questions Answered
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- Obi-Wan Kenobi wrapped up its story, linking two trilogies of the Star Wars saga. But the final confrontation with Darth Vader and his fond farewell with Princess Leia left a lot of fans scratching their heads. We’ve collected your unanswered questions and plot holes, and now we;re here to answer them.
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Lots of people asked why Darth Vader left Reva alive instead of killing her. Harry Syed says: “Vader killing random civilians like whatevs and then just letting obi-wan escape and Reva live after she tried to kill him.”
Obviously, the number one reason why he left Reva alive was so she could go scour the shire and give Ben some hope for the future [clip]. And to probably set up her own spinoff.
But, Vader sparing her makes sense within the show. For Reva's entire life, Vader has been using her. The moment she joined the inquisitors, he recognized her. [did you think I wouldn;t know you youngling]. So he’s always known that she wanted revenge, but he kept her around anyways-because she was never a threat to him. He saw her as someone he could use and throw away. [you are of no further use]
As for Reva, we don;t really see where Vader stabbed her. It's a wide shot. It could have been a wound that missed vital organs, and the blade cauterized the wound so she wouldn;t bleed out. But also, the show is better if she lives and we get a final scene with her.
J Pollocks Number 5 on twitter asks: If Vader is so all powerful and can detect people at other times (ANH) Reva etc. - how can he not even know his kids are about? In Kenobi and ANH Leia is in his presence When DOES he find out he has them?
Great question, and I have actual answers. First of all, Vder does not know his kids are alive. He thought they died with Padme [no, she was alive]. So he would never look at Leia and think, “Oh she’s the spitting image of Padme, I bet that’s my daughter.” In fact, a person who looks like Padme would make Vader want to AVOID thinking about the babies, because the memory is too painful.”
In a new hope. Vader deos sense the Force around Luke’s X-Wing, but only after Ben's ghost tells Luke to stretch out with his feelings [clip, force is strong]. So originally the Force is portrayed as being dormant until someone learns to awaken it. Kylo Ren also didn’t get much of a force sensitivity vibe off Rey, at first.
Whereas he knows Kenobi's mind very well, and would have sensed him immediately. As for when Vader found out, the 2015 Darth Vader comic takes place right after a New Hope. Vader goes on a mission to discover who destroyed the Death Star, and Boba Fett tracks down a name: Skywalker. That’s when Vader realizes the emperor lied to him about Padme [in your anger…]
Vader is pissed when he realizes this, and then decides to overthrow the Emperor, which is why he makes this offer to Luke [join me…]
Burt Macklin 70 asks, “Also wouldn't the empire come down on alderaan after seeing Leia associating with the path?”
Now that is interesting. Reva researched Bail and Obi Wan’s relationship, and exploited it by kidnapping Leia. So essentially, she revealed that Bail organa knew how to contact at least one Jedi Master. I think they didn’t go after Bail Organa for 2 reasons. One, the Imperial senate is still a governing body that the emperor needs to control the systems. It’s not gone for another 7 years. So Vail organa would have a lot of political influence, and would be useful to the Empire.
Plus, there is no actual proof linking Baila and the Jedi. When you get into the canon novels, you see that evidence and protocol were very important within the empire.
But the main reason they didn;t come down on Alderaan is because the emperor said not to [feelings are clear]. Vader’s pursuit of Ben Kenobi was about getting revenge for Anakin. And the emperor doesn;t want Vader to do anything on Anakin’s behalf, because Anakin is dead. Palpatine believes that the few Jedi remaining could not possibly threaten his big, bad Death Star.
Dynasty Dopamine asks, “I can handle all these. I just want to know why Tala, an experienced soldier, stands in the middle of the hallway without cover while engaging in a gunfight.”
Just watch the scene again. There is one point where she is standing next to some cover. But she stands her ground because her objective is to take down as many stormtroopers as she can, not to protect herself. Then they’re slowly forced back the corridor, away from any cover. She doesn’t go for cover because she’s there to be a shield between the refugees and the empire. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Do you have any other questions or plot holes?
Thank the maker…ScreenCrush
Thank the maker screen crush. Will you be doing stranger things vol 2 Easter eggs, ending and theories.
No. Its a bad show. Bad scripts, bad actors, retconning. Stop rationalising bullshit.
Yes
Maybe MTV Cribs could do an episode on Obi-Wan’s hut.
About sweat on Tatooine: when you are adapted or acclimatized to extreme heat (especially when it is dry heat) the body stops sweating to retain as much liquid as possible and begins to use other methods of heat dissipation such as controlling the temperature difference between the trunk and limbs, changes in blood pressure, etc.
Facts right there. I’ve done many a deployment to the Middle East during my time in the service. You could get acclimatized the point where an 80 degree day felt cold during the changing of the seasons.
also Tatooine is notoriously dry, which stands to reason any sweat would likely evaporate immediately.
Thank u, I felt like I was the only one who thought the line where Vader said “when I left u I was the learner now I am the master” was just about how he left being by obi wan’s side
True
Bail blabbed a lot of info in his hologram, which led Reva to Luke on Tattooine. This error taught Bail and Leia to be more careful with what they say in future holograms.
Didnt think of this 👍🏼
if only many star wars fans could be reasonable enough to understand this… however it would give them one less thing to bitch about and they wouldn’t want that
Wow.....this makes much sense
I take it you mean hologram, not holocron.
This is seriously dumb
Reva survives: "How is that possible?"
Maul survives being cut in half: "Completely understandable."
lol that’s a great point
I never watched Clone Wars so don't care. This weird hackneyed plot device is the very very least of it's problems.
Reeva is human, Maul is not. Since we don't know much about Maul's physiology, Reeva's survival is indeed more farfetched.
If I remember correctly, it had to do with Maul's immense hatred for Obi-Wan that let him survive at the cost of his sanity until the events of the Clone Wars series picks up with him.
@@cassiolins1203 Has it ever been specified that they are human?
I think Vader's last line with the Emperor also answer the "When I left you..." quote. Darth DID left Obi: he let him go, as the Emperor commanded. He left him behind for another 10 years... And he was still a student, he got his ass kicked and sucked it up... Either way you see it, the famous line is not a plothole.
True! The quote is very open to interpretation. I've seen this idea become lost on quite a few people because they misquote Vader as saying "When I LAST left you..." which would take on a more literal meaning.
I'm deeply impressed with how you find satisfying answers to questions I would have never asked. Seriously. Clone Wars and Rebels were so good cause they brought characters together and gave them life and stories. It's almost impossible to integrate those fourty year old movies into a prequel series, a clearly underappreciated one.
Another interesting note for Qui-Gin's force ghost:
He was the first Force Ghost in eons and he didn't even know that such a thing was possible. Thus, he had no actual training to be a better ghost. The first time we get a hint that his force ghost was even a thing was when Yoda was meditating and heard Qui-Gon react to Anakin slaughtering the Tuskans. Even after all of those years, he was still just a voice. It took him quite awhile to become more and to have a full on conversation with someone. But he was able to help both Yoda and Obi-Wan prepare themselves while they were still alive. Thus, they would be more atuned to seeing his force ghost and when they would eventually died, wouldn't have to wait years upon years to learn how to do things like Qui-Gon had to.
(And as a side note: It's kind of implied that only those who have a strong connection to the Light Side of the Force can see these Force Ghost, and Obi-Wan had basically lost his connection with the Force after RotS, only getting it back fully in the last episode. Whereas Luke was fully trying to embrace the Force even though he wasn't a Master Jedi by any means.)
This explanation falls apart when you think that Anakin appeared to Luke on Endor despite never encountering a force ghost or having any knowledge that it was "even a thing".
“Training too be a ghost” LMFAOOOOO. The excuses made for this garbage pile writing are shitty and pathetic.
nope its a plot hole, the clone wars series goes into details on HOW a jedi becomes a force ghost. one must undergo trials with the force priestess, once you complete these trials than and only than can you become a force ghost because these preistess literally grant the jedi the power and only they can grant said power. and you must complete it to be able to become a full ghost. in fact they specifically stated that because Qui gon never completed his training that he would NEVER be able to be a full ghost for the rest of time. so its a plot hole
@@houseofaction Disney “kinda forgot”, that was canon 🤣
I just assumed older Leia didn't mention knowing Obi-Wan in the message because they haven't seen each other in years and she thinks he might not recognize her as an adult on a blurry hologram but he remembers her father so she just mentions her father and he can fill in the blanks.
And I think Vader never felt Leia and Luke in the force because he wasn't searching for them and they didn't have a strong connection to the force. To him older Leia was an obstacle he had to overcome.
Not to mention that it would be some pretty damning evidence against her and her family if R2 fell into the wrong hands. Mentioning connections that are well known is much safer.
I think depth of emotional connection/significance also plays a role. Remember, prior to Luke's duel with Vader on Cloud City, he could neither sense Vader's presence nor hear his telepathy (an ability conspicuously rare in the Prequels). And yet in the immediate aftermath of the duel, when Luke is still in emotional and physical shock, he suddenly can. It's also interesting that the person he successfully calls out to is Leia, with whom he has a strong emotional (as well as genetic) bond. Yet Vader and Leia and Vader (whose main experience together is in a torture chamber as defiant enemies on opposing sides) can't sense each other this way. Likewise, in Ep 4, Vader does not sense Luke (until he is tailing him in a dogfight), but immediately recognizes Obi-Wan, with whom he has a deep emotional connection as the older brother who worked to raise him.
I want to thank you for the detailed explanations to the plot holes but I would just like to say this. These are shows. The fact that they have done pretty much what they have to show a timeline is fantastic but lets be real. When Star Wars first came out (when a lot of us were kids) did we really care about all these things? NO, we just wanted the story and action. We got just that, a story and action. The Obi series made me feel like that kid again filled with suspense and excitement. Knowing what we all know what was to come in Esp4 didn't take away from Obi, it just complemented it. So please, just enjoy it for what it is and stop getting so in depth, it's was always meant to be enjoyed and NEVER picked apart. May the Force be with All of you!
I feel like Obi-Wan couldn't see qui-gons Force ghost because he had had an existential crisis and was not connected to the living Force, Luke on the other hand slowly developed his own sense of the force through living which in turn gave him access to the way the living Force worked and that's why it was almost an instinct for him to see a force ghost that was connected to him especially
I always thought that Luke's hearing and seeing Obi's force ghost was part of Obi's being "more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
Nope the clone wars series explained that because qui gon never finished his training to become a force ghost he would eternally be unable to take a full ghost form. only that he would be able to become a disembodied voice
Thanks for this! I for one had no issues with the show for one reason. I just enjoyed seeing Hayden and Ewan back in Star Wars! Was all of it top notch? No. Was it super entertaining and great to see two of my favorite characters back on screen? Hell yes! Now of you wanna complain about the sequel trilogy I'm with you.
I didn't really like the Kenobi show, but getting the plot holes explained and hearing your enthusiasm really helps. Thanks for the great video
Why didn’t Vader have the star destroyer go after the path ship, while he followed Obi-wan in his own ship? That’s right up there with, “hold your fire, there are no life forms aboard.”
he didn't care about the path ship, all he was interested in was Obi Wan, hence his conversion with the grand inquisitor
@@richardlong6789 I know, but in hind sight, it was still a bad decision.
@@heidifedor Vader, when emotional, makes notoriously bad decisions.
True, but he was obsessed with Obi Wan, that obsession lead to bad decisions, that's why Palpatine questioned him at the end..
There are a lot of such stupidity and coviniences.
Another thing that could explain why Luke seems to have such ease with interacting with force ghost, could very well be innate talent. Many force users would find they were better at certain things regarding the force than others all the time. Leia was espeically talented at influencing others minds and reading their surface feelings with out any formal training. It's what made her such a great senator. Mace created a variant form of lightsaber combat that totally circumvented the original style's highly potential darkside corruption. There are tons of examples more of stuff like this.
Also that wasn't Qui Gon on Mortis, That was the Son messing with them.
him talking to obiwan is him
Pretty sure it's still canon that the color of your lightsaber is based on how in tuned with the Force a Jedi is and how they use it. Green meaning they're more in tuned with the Living Force than most.
@@mikethehunter5212 In 31 years of enjoying Star Wars I have never heard this. The color of your saber typically meant what class of Jedi knight you were. Blue for guardian who focused on lightsaber combat, green for consular for those who focus on training with the force itself rather then combat.
@@Hawk199031 That's what I meant. Green more or less symbolized a true Jedi whereas blue symbolized a warrior. Obviously it wasn't originally meant for that. Just used to contrast the blue sky during the sail barge scene.
Bro … Luke & Leia’s father is Anakin Skywalker , Anakins dad is the force. So the force is luke and leia’s grandparent in a sense they have insane natural power and are in tone with the force
“Im a full grown adult and I can be outrun by lots of 10 year olds”
He said it not me, officer.
These editors… just amazing give them props!
Amazing editing!!!
1:20 - “Vader knows first hand how agonizing it is to be left to die and he wanted her to suffer from her wound. And if she made it through, it wouldn’t matter because she was insignificant to him.”
I’m sorry but that’s just not true. Three things:
1) “…he wanted her to suffer.” - what Vader went through was personal to him. He would have no reason to choose such a personal method of execution for just another imperial pawn. Vader cuts down Jedi left and right, why for Reva would he all of a sudden want to go out of his to make sure she “knows what it is to be left to die.” - he wouldn’t. That kind of special, personal execution would be reserved for Kenobi sure, but for some third rate imperial pawn and off-brand sith, not a chance. There was not only no purpose in it but it was also dangerous for Vader to leave her alive which leads us to my second point.
2) Reva knew Vader was Anakin and Vader knew Reva knew that. All imperial records show that Anakin was killed; the Galaxy thought anakin was killed; and the only people outside of people like Palpatine, Yoda, and Kenobi, were usually killed BECAUSE they knew too much about anakin and Vader. Vader would regularly kill people who made the connection without a second thought. - Thrawn deduced the connection but never said anything outright because it would put him at risk. He did hint at it a time or two but Vader couldn’t do anything since thrawn was too useful to the emperor. Still, it’s not information that thrawn felt comfortable enough to spread. He was safe as long as he didn’t push it.
Throughout Vader’s life, we see him struggle time and time again with trying to rid himself of the existence of anakin. Vader was powerful but information is greater still. He knew that the leak would make it impossible to be rid of anakin once and for all and so he made a discipline of executing those who knew. No loose ends. That said, “Reva was insignificant to him.” Does not make sense because by virtue of being privy to highly personal information of Vader, she became extremely significant.
He would have not only cut her down but he would have ensured that she was dead. Vader regularly forced choked people. Part of that is so that he could confirm their death by feeling their life drain through the force. Vader would not have just stabbed her and left. He would have taken an interest in making sure she was absolutely dead to ensure the destruction of that loose end. Not to mention, Vader is extremely enraged. Being “betrayed” by someone who caused him to lose Kenobi again while ALSO reminding him of his life as anakin Skywalker would have earned her an enraged execution. She 100% would have been dead before Vader even took a step back.
3) and no, it does not “make it better so that she could make it for the scene at the end of the show.” Because it was established that she was deranged psychopath. Her “redemption arc” if you can’t even call a last second side switch a redemption arc, comes out of no where and makes no sense. - The only reason we saw it coming is because everyone saw from a mile away that Disney wants a Reva spinoff or at least, to be a recurring character.
Of course, this is 9-10 years pre ANH.
For all we know, his mistake with Reva is why he now chokes people and verifies that they are dead, lol
As for the redemption arc, it's very similar to the one used for Luke in ROTJ - she recognizes that she is becoming the very thing she sought to destroy, and chooses not to.
Admittedly, Luke had cut off his father's hand, vs hunting down Jedi & force-sensitives for years, but in Star Wars canon, Vader gets a redemption too, and he's done more and worse things than Reva.
This is 20 minutes of the most impressive mental gymnastics explaining away all the inconsistencies in this show...well done.
This was awesome. Great job!
Great video like always!!! Love your stuff!
For a lot of real plot holes this show acctualy has, you having to explain things that literaly have an explanation in the show is mind blowing, like the Anakin flashback Vader tied in with the ship thing. As a wrestling fan I've always complained about WWE dumbing the story down and hitting you in the head over and over again with some points they wanna get across but apparently the average american viewer really needs it.
'The show made a point of showing how Leia could run really fast'
WHAT???? Were we even watching the same show? The foot chases (marketplace in particular) were absolutely cringe to watch, mainly because of the kid's rather strange way of running, and the other actors trying and failing to look like they were deliberately not catching her.
The best way to explain Star Wars plot holes is the fact that it is a show designed to sell toys and lightsabers to children and man-children.
This...they have a Disney Star Wars cult army waiting to lap anything up. Even if it's the standard of a toy advert on Disney Junior.
I love this video and this channel.
Always look forward to your breakdowns, Easter eggs and jokes... but I think this one is doing the work for Disney and LF that they should've done in the first place. I'd like to see part 2 of this video where you point out the parts that you don't think line up with canon or were executed sloppily...
We've seen the hate videos and we've seen seeing the videos that praise everything Disney does with SW... but not as much constructive criticism.
Qui-Gon wouldn’t be able to show himself as a ghost, especially on tatooine, because he never completed his training. In clone wars, he also said that he wasn’t able to finish his training. He showed up as a ghost in the clone wars on a planet that was extremely powerful in the force. If you look at how weak obi wan’s ghost was on hoth, you can get a sense for what it would be like for someone to try an manifest on tatooine, especially if your training was incomplete
not only that but the clone wars literally states that he would eternally be unable to become a force ghost, just disembodied voice because the preistesses are the one who grant the power
Excellent video, as always.
great hole filling Ryan. You rock
All these answers are good enough for me. Star Wars is fun.
If vader knew who reva was the whole time, he let her live knowing she knows his real identity. I can in no way get behind that.
Well what reason would reva have to tell anyone? It's the only thing she believes she has an advantage over Vader on. Besides even if Vader started to get nervous about it he was able to keep reva on a tight leash, so if he needed to kill her it likely wouldn't be a problem either
i feel you. at the same time tho, she could tell people but then what? are they gonna believe her? he prolly knew she wouldn't dare risk that knowledge
Yeah, it seems like there are too many people running around who know who he is. Tarkin I get. Bail Organ, Owen Lars, I get. Pretty much no one else. And Vader would have wanted to keep it to a minimum for anyone HE knew who knew.
Eight year old Reva would have had to have heard Anakin referred to as Darth Vader amid all the chaos. I also think it's bit farfetched she even would have recognized him. Yeah, he's a famous general, but she's also not more than eight or ten. She's still several years off from being a Padawan. I wouldn't have known ant active American generals on sight like that, in the middle of chaos when I was eight.
The "nobody knows Vader's identity" is merely a lazy plot contrivance for reveals and character moments. It would be politically better if his identity was known: the best Jedi testifying against the Jedi Order as it legitimizes the Emperor.
I was just staring at the screen thinking 'just pop her head!' If you're wanting the bad guys to win, it can't be very well written.
Thanks Ryan!
The title of the video should have been, “Obi Wan Kenobi’s largest logic reaches”
The title of the video should have been, “̶O̶b̶i̶ ̶W̶a̶n̶ ̶K̶e̶n̶o̶b̶i̶’̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶r̶g̶e̶s̶t̶ ̶l̶o̶g̶i̶c̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶c̶h̶e̶s̶”̶ "Mouth-Vacuuming Disney's Genitals As Ordered".
One problem with your defence for Qui Gon's visual manifestation as a force ghost is that the Mortis arc specifically explains that he can manifest only within Mortis due to its unique connection to the force.
exactly, and Qui Gon explains to yoda that he cannot manifest because he never learned how to.
The force ghost issue with Qui-Gon was clearly solved due to Disney doing a software update on “the force.”
while I'm much softer on the shows plotholes now, I do feel you had to make some leaps to fill in certain plot hows.
for example Riva both with the tunnels and getting to Luke first without any way to do so.
You do explain it but when you have to give a string of logic a specific string of logic like. the tunnels MUST but divering paths or nwo that vader doesnt care about her (I like you take on keeping her alive)
there is no way they would allow her to get on a transport or polit her ship out of there . they would have taken wit with them (assuming she had a persoanl ship)
If all of this WAS the case my only thought the Vaders sadism went as fair to let her live, let her keep a ship or a transport out of there just so she can live her injuired life knowing she was inferior to him. but I feel even THATS a streach. she knows so much she could leak
Amazing research! Good detail, Thank you!
Excellent analysis as usual.
I was thinking about Leia's message to Obi-Wan and her reaction to Luke when he told her that Obi-Wan was with him to rescue her. I think the message wasn't to get Obi-Wan's help, but to keep Vader and the Death Star away from the Rebel Base.
First thing, the Death Star was built in secret. So no one out side of Rogue One, who are all dead, the Rebel leaders in that last meeting before Rogue One, and the Empire. And the attacks on Jedha and Scarif were not know because the planets were not destroyed. So anyone outside of the those mentioned would not have any idea of the power of the Death Star. I think that the first target for the Death Star was to be the Rebel Base and not Alderaan. Moff Tarkin, I think, went off on his own with destroying the planet. But Emperor Palpatine back his play, because right after he dissolved the senate. Leia must know that once the Death Star was used that more Planets would rebel against the Empire.
She sent the the message to Obi-Wan to take the plans to her father not to a Rebel base. Which means she was willing to put Obi-Wan and her family in danger, but not the Rebellion. She was about to give up a old base on Dantooine, but not the current one on Yavin 4.
Empire was to get the message before Obi-Wan then they would have heard her say "Obi-Wan" name. This would make Vader move his attention away from finding the Rebel Base and to focus on finding Obi-Wan, because she has witnessed this due to events of Obi-Wan the series. This would have gave the Rebel's time to either move the base or think of another attack plan on the Death Star.
Oh that's genius. And in the event the Empire didn't capture the droids, she would still have summoned a powerful, experienced, and very distracting ally. Dang
I've always thought Obi-Wan had a respect for all life even that of Droids. He worked with Droids, he had friends that were droids, but maybe personally he never thought of himself as owning them.
Oohh gawd these questions were interesting... thanks Ryan for explaining the plot holes.
You don't sweat in a desert. I mean, you actually do sweat, but the air is so dry that it evaporates any moisture from the sweat before you can get wet.
I honestly have so little care about plot holes...the original is FILLED with plot holes that nobody has ever properly explained, like are parsecs a unit of time or space, or how fast is hyperspace, or...whatever...it's just pointless to expect any of the new stuff to be 100% consistent. Did they tell a good story? That's all I care about.
Exactly. These crybaby nerds want to talk about Disney Star Wars and “plot holes” like the OT isn’t one big contradiction and retconning from movie to movie. I say this as someone who didn’t like the sequel trilogy and Disney deserves plenty of criticism for that but this shit is going too far
Plot holes are the hallmark of the Lucas era.
Well put!
Basically Vader couldn’t sense Luke or Leia being force sensitive since both never used the force like Kenobi in his show used the force to save Leia but it gave away his position to the inquisitors like Cal Kestis used the force to save his buddy but ended up bringing the inquisitors
Darth Vader wanna be sensed Rey before she used the force in episode 7
Almost certain leia was unintentionally using the force the entire show. (When she verbally destroyed her cousin is one example)
The idea that Vader was Luke and Leia's father was made up after Star Wars, so now everyone is bending over backwards trying to explain these plot holes.
@@blunteastwood sorry, was "Luke I am your father" not a clear enough hint that Vader was Luke's father
@@0ut1aw That was after Star Wars (episode IV) which was later renamed Star Wars: A New hope. originally it was just Star Wars
Once again- spot on!
nicely done vid!
Great explanations, seems like an incredibly weak argument for how Reva beats Leía to the end of tunnel though. To say Reva took a different (longer and slower) path without any kind of guide or that she mind tricks a pilot at the end of a tunnel she doesn’t know exists yet to tell her the fastest route to the end of that tunnel (which Leía would already be on the fastest path) are some logical leaps that just don’t feel necessary to make. The writer’s have a number of oopsies in the show and this is one of them. Not the end of the world and like you said with Obi-Wan’s hut we don’t need to know, it’s a plot contrivance no need to complicate things even further by giving Reva super mind reading powers (which I’m surprised no one brought up why she didn’t use a mind trick on Owen like she did Haja to find Obi-Wan, *spoiler* the reason is plot and that’s ok) or magic tunnel maze navigation.
I always thought that Reva knew that they were trying to escape with a ship so the first thought would be where would the closest port be to the tunnel and just go straight to the port instead of following in the tunnel.
@@Dark_eVader but there is nothing to suggest the secret tunnel leads to a port though...
It could go anywhere..
It could lead to a secret landing pad?
Or a whole network of caves where you could hide people for years...
Also if it did lead to the port... Surely the other end of the tunnel. Would be hidden as well?
@@waxrepine1298 The port couldn't be hidden because anyone can see ships take off and land from those ports. Then it can be deduced by thinking of where the nearest exit should be and discounting commercial ports. Of course that is how I would have done it in my case but we will never know what the writers actually thought.
Reva took a shorter and quicker path. The tunnel clearly isn't a straight line, so Leia wasn't on the quickest path. Reva knew Leia was trying to get off the planet. Given the backwater nature of the planet there was probably only one port in the vicinity, and Reva could travel directly there.
@@GooeyChewie stop writing this for them..
And your answer makes no sense...
If there was multiple paths...
A how did Reva know any of them lead to a port...?
IF it did lead to a port the end which is at the port would be hidden to?
Did it go directly to a port or just near enough?
They can land ship like anywhere and hide them...
Secondly if there are multiple paths how would she possibly know that one path doesn't just branch of to some random place or isn't a dead end?
Also why would the people that were rescuing leia tell her to not take the quickest path if all the tunnels some how just reconnected at the end point?
What is the purpose of all these other tunnels exactly?
2:01 That's a lightsaber we're talking about Ryan lol, going through organs ?.....If you're a human species in the star wars universe that's a death in 10sec type of scenario there, unless you use the dark side to survive, but even then, let's say that you don't heal your wound and then let go of the dark side, then you would die too, because you would be free spiritually and would accept your death.
Thanks for choosing my question, Doug.
Lol! Loved this. I never imagined people would have so many questions.
Regarding how even Stormtroopers could have taken out Owen and Beru? It doesn't matter how well prepared the couple were. You send in a battalion of troopers, you have sheer numbers on your side. They may have taken a few troopers out, but swarm the home from all directions and they wouldn't have had a chance. It's one of the most basic military strategies when you have numbers on your side.
Sounds good to me. Some people believe it was Boba Fett who took them out due to Vader saying to him "No disintegrations" in ESB. Like Ryan said, use your imagination.
Why is Bail Organa so stupid? Why does he have to say, I am going to Tatooine, to the very special boy, the one who lives on the farm with Owen? Why didn't he just say something like" I am going to look for the other one"? Something like that, something that isn't that on the nose. And if u still want your grand finale with the inquisitor chasing Luke, just make her follow Organa.
Because Disney Organas are actually very bad at operational security. There's a novel or a comic where Leia goes to Naboo, dresses up as the queen and gets recognized by someone who knew Padme. Apparently Sabe also lived on Alderaan. These are terrible ideas if you're trying to disassociate Leia from both Padme and the Jedi.
I know. I brought this up in an earlier comment. I can seriously get past every plot hole and problem except for this one. I'm extremely surprised that more people haven't brought it up yet. It isn't a plot hole as much as it is an expectation that viewers will believe completely and totally illogical behavior from Bail Organa, who has long been established as a smart character, and I just can't.
@@cathydanielson9995 my problem is. It's not only that. Like for this to work Organa has to be stupid, the "fake Jedi guy" had to drop the transmission and the inquisitor has to find the damn thing. And not only that. She had to meet exactly THAT OWEN. Like it's a whole goddam planet, and she stumbles over EXACT that guy and again not only that she had to ask for his name and again again again not only that. Owen had to be stupid enough to tell her his real name. Like if he just said "my name is Jeff" or the inquisitor asked the person next to him, or she fought Vader two meters on the right or the fake Jedi didn't lose the thing or Organa had some brain left, the whole finale would break.
@@LordWombatius I know... but I feel like at least I potentially CAN get past all of that, because there have always been ridiculous coincidences in Star Wars. I can't get around Bail Organa acting so out of character. YMMV.
Excellent recap as usual.
This is my first video from this channel.
... is this ludicrous debunkable shit really his usual quality?
Another splendid video.
With Old Ben's comment about not recalling ever having owned a droid, can we conclude that he is, in fact, joking with R2-D2? I mean, it's obvious that they know each other and that he recognizes the droid he spent so many years with. That would clearly explain R2's reaction to the line. Please, make this common knowledge.
Like he's acknowledging that droids have rights and shouldn't/can't be owned? A wink and a nod? "I've never owned a droid" (that's my boy!!!)
Or the fact back then no one knew of how much content was going to be released in the future….
The questions you answered in this video are proof that Star Wars “fans” complain and whine without taking 10 seconds to have an original thought. Most of these answers were essentially “if you actually watched the show, they answered it pretty well.” I swear you guys aren’t happy unless you’re filled with rage. Great vid.
Agreed. If people paid even the remotest attention to the movies and the show, they would know the answers to their questions.
Not to mention, Lucas wrote the originals not knowing he would make the prequels. He wrote the prequels not knowing there would be sequels. He created the Clone Wars to fill in the many stories of between ATOC and ROTS. He had no way of predict that Disney was going to have a streaming service with shows that would be directly connect to something he created in the mid-70's.
So all this nitpicking is pointless. It's fiction. It's pretend. Fantasy. It's a story. Most of these "inconsistencies" happened simply because it suits the plot of a specific story. People just need to relax. Sit back and appreciate the fact that we still get to experience new Star Wars adventures.
@@mattosso7676 couldn’t have said it better myself. Why people think that the puzzle pieces will perfectly fall together in a fantasy franchise that spans the course of 5 decades and has had multiple writers is beyond me.
Thank you Ryan
This is neither here nor there, but the part where Vader tells Obi-Wan that he's the one who killed Anakin Skywalker, I think it was his way of absolving Kenobi of that burden. It's sort of his last act of kindness to his former master. "You didn't do this to me, I did it to myself" I think the reason Obi-Wan didn't kill Vader there is because he understood that, and remembered Padme's last words, that there was still good in him. He was witnessing that little bit of Anakin left over in Darth Vader.
Sorry couldn't get through this plot hole explained video as your other ones are always stellar but your Obi-Wan Plot Hole Explained needs its own plot hole explained explained video. While you're here, why no Westworld content anymore?
Stretching to explain some of these.
Reva knows he is Anakin. He used her and she was no longer useful.
In the original trilogy, he killed commanders for minor screwups. Vader left Reva because they want her to have a spin off. Vader walked away from Obi-wan on 2 occasions because the story required it. There wasn't a viable in story reason for it.
Also are people really debating a line from a New Hope? Vader's line meant what he actually said until they decided to add content that wasn't originally there.
nice video man
I love details like this.
Having multiple stomachs doesn’t mean one can get stabbed and the being is fine. Cows have four stomachs but if one is stabbed that cow will die. It needs all of them. It’s an asinine excuse.
You are doing some good work here sir. It pains to explain to my friends that every answer to their apparent "plot holes" are already covered if they pay attention to the show.
You have the best channel!
Good video, man.
As someone who is tired of people trying to pick holes in Star Wars stories, I very much enjoyed this.
It's not difficult nowadays.
As someone who is tired of such stupid bloody holes in Star Wars stories, this video creator and every other stupid Disney-justifying shill should be stopped from being in front of a camera ever again.
I really appreciate that you love Star Wars so much that you can spend so much effort apologizing for the bad writing in Obi Wan Kenobi.
Grand Inquisitor: "Why let her live, my lord?"
Vader: "Because a cur's weakness, properly manipulated, can be a sharp tool."
Great video
You did a good job explaining the worse holes in a very positive light. So explain to me how tala can take out a storm trooper in armor, with an open hand slap in the inquisitor base. And why would darth vader be stopped by the fires in the first fight?
I bet he would explain the first thing with something like:
" You know they are underwater and the presure is so high in these helmets that they would fall down dead from a single slap.
And the second one, which is the "established" one by "fans"
Is that he let obi wan go on purpose.
I 100% agree with you so this is not against you.
I never understood how people thought any of these were plot holes if they gave it three seconds of thought. I really think people just WANT to find plot holes so they have more reason to hate Disney's Star Wars content. Or just hate on Star Wars in general as some of these things are strictly about the original movies. Like the one about Leia remembering her mother. Since the prequels came out I never thought it was a plot hole even though her mother died right after child birth. We're talking about Force using wizards who can see the future and past in their heads. Sure, she didn't know what we was doing with the Force at that point but it could easily be mistaken as memories instead of visions. Anakin also had Jedi abilities when he was just podracing as a slave. No plot hole. Not everything has to be 100% spelled out for you for it to make sense. They do that too much in movies/shows already.
This "whataboutism" really annoys me.
WE ARE NOT IN THE 70s ANYMORE. WE CAN TRY TO *NOT" MAKE ANY PLOTHOLE. WE CAN AT LEAST TRY.
If not movies would never grow.
And it is not a "plothole" that luke can sense force ghosts or that leia remembers her mother. It is more of a retcon, that the sequals fucked up. I'am on your side here. But these problems are just problems that future movies and shows created. George didnt wrote the OT in mind that he changed his mind about it later.
yo! you kickin' it Ryan!
Well done!
Don't ask questions just consume product and get ready for next product
It’s science fiction. Not science. We’ve allowed in this series that space has explosions and magic exists. Clearly we don’t really care. Have fun.
@@ericlipton7640 it manages to be bad at science and also bad at fiction
@@ericlipton7640 doesn't save the show from being bad and creating plot holes so big you could drive an 18 wheeler through them
I love how Star Wars fans are so detailed oriented. I love Star Wars especially on 4th of July because it’s the 1st movie I saw as a child when we came to the USA 🇺🇸.
The I don’t know anything about cars line you did with that performance had me rolling bro. Haha.
I love how these dumb plotholes are "explained" by even dumber "fixes".
You guys are giving disney wayyyy too much credit here.
bro they will always find a way to explain shitty writing, but in the end we see what it is
Dude, I love your content! This one was rough though...no disrespect at all, but I can't tell if you're playing devil's advocate just to try and justify anything that seems like it's remotely possible to be justified or if you genuinely agree with everything you're explaining in this one. Within the context of the show as a standalone one off, you can play a lot of mental gymnastics to try and make it feel as cozy as possible but in the overall universe and what's pre-established, it's nothing less than a lazy shoehorning of a story that disrespects the characters themselves and what has come before.
Great post. Everyone on the internet has subscribers that need keeping happy.
@@adriandenton6637 thanks dude. Yeah, this one took me for too far of a ride but I knew what I was getting into haha. Love this channel either which way! Just too much of a stretch for me on this one.
@@ScottyBootz I usually like Screen Crush but the videos are usually more critical. Disney is getting an easy ride here.
The only thing lazy here are these “plot hole” complaints…the OT has more plot holes than Swiss cheese…that’s what happens when George Lucas is/was in charge and is making shit up as he went.
@@issiahsilva It has a few but nothing that affects the overall story arch. The Obi Wan show was held together like a spiders web or a house of cards ready to collapse. I still have no idea what Revas motivations or plan were. And by the time that they attempt to explain it I'd zoned out for good.
I think this video is perfect, I think people just wanted this series to fail from the start for some wierd reason. I loved the series and I think they knew what they were doing and executed it perfectly
? Of course nobody wanted it to fail. It was about one of the most beloved fictional characters in history. There's literally dozens and dozens of legitimate complaints.
No, we all had high hopes for this one, we all wanted this to be the the turning point in Disney era Star Wars where the entire fandom was brought back together after the damage caused by the TLJ & TROS. We shouldn’t have to do mental gymnastics to try to understand the writing choices.
Reads like being on denial.
Really appreciate you covering all those plot hole theories Ryan. Even if some of them were unnecessary 😂.
Ryan, man, I could feel your frustration simmering under your politeness.
The "When you...but now I am the master" complaints drove me nuts too.
For me, it's like when you brag about how awesome you are in Smash Bros. and you challenge someone and they kick yuor ass. Then a year later, you say you're AWESOME NOW and so you play them again and they still kick your ass. Then 5 years go by and you say, "Ok ok ok, I sucked THEN, but I'm awesome NOW. Let's go again!"
Darth Vader saying that line is basically him trying to be like "Aight, you kicked my ass BEFORE, but NOW, I'm the best."
I still think if Vader actually disgarded (by killing) Reva it would be better for the plot. The clear reason would be she lied to & tried to kill him.
I think Ryan's point was he had plenty of reason to kill her, but a good enough one to keep her alive
Thank you for being one of the only people to defend star wars. It's hard to be a fan in a sea of cynical people who act like fandom terrorists.
? .read the imdb user reviews. There's dozens and dozens of legitimate complaints. 'fandom terrorist'? you just made that up? In fact if it annoys you just dont go on the internet.
Toxic fans seek to diminish others' enjoyment, usually by imposing their criticisms upon everyone and claiming that the filmmakers are getting an easy ride (because their criticisms overweigh everything.)
@@adriandenton6637 lmfao imdb reviews
@@iambear.6526 you mean viewers personal opinions and complaints..lmfao..nah your right, they don't count.
@@adriandenton6637 yeah and i mean if these thing are valid what they write, it doesnt matter at all on what website they were posted on.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think the reason force ghosts show up more often on degobah is because the planet itself is stronger in the force. I’m pretty sure that’s why yoda went there in the first place to meditate and explains the caves that give people visions.
For me, I think Vader truly never learned his lesson, even as far back as Revenge of the Sith. Sure, he was a Jedi Knight, but seriously, he never EARNED the right to be a Master. Palpatine forced the Jedi to do it. If his service in the Clone Wars would have done it, he would have been there.
The Council knew his recklessness. So they kept him off. As we saw with the flashback duel, you were spot on.
At the end of the day, what I think this series showed us is both sides of Vader. Yes, he’s powerful in the Force, and physically. But he never MATURED. That’s the failing of the dark side. Your overconfidence. Not to mention he needs to constantly prove himself, especially when he confronts Kenobi, TWICE. Even then, Obi-wan outsmarts him.
And on the Death Star? Physically, neither were at the top of their game. Either that, Obi-Wan was toying with him, which is possible. His end game wasn’t to work n, but to ensure the Falcon left. He knew he wouldn’t get out alive, and if he lived long enough, Vader would have tortured him, so he let him cut him down.
Saying 30 times: "the writers screwed up" could have also been an answer....
Exacly. The "explanations" are raising even bigger questions.
Love this channel, but I wish you didn't stick up for the writing and try to make sense of a horribly written show. We shouldn't tolerate garbage just because it's Star Wars.
I realised I have this thing where I'm very comforted by the format of your videos, Ryan. So much so, that the missing music on the end card with Doug is very jarring...
Great video!
Manager Doug 👍
If there is a plothole how can it be explained? There wasn't enough information given that's why it's a plot hole. Explaining it is fan fiction.
Exactly this show was made off a failed trilogy movie script now we’re just accepting it as new story an fact, everyone did that with force awakens then last Jedi came out an everyone came to there senses, hopefully this show gets canceled fr
The problem with the inquisitor getting stabbed is that the average Star Wars consumer, (which happens to be the majority) would never know that his specific species has two stomaches. So to most people it just looks like lazy writing. Which it most certainly is Because of the fact that the show never gave us any reason to believe that this guy could survive a lightsaber to the gut.
In the many discussions I've had with my mate, John, around all the "plot holes" in all the Disney serials he always responds with the same answer..."Because...Star Wars" and that's good enough for me!
You guys are amazing. For me the moral of the video is, just enjoy the show 😉. More Star Wars please!! 💚💚
The real explanation for all of this is of course: The show is bad, tried desperately to secure continuity and failed miserably. But please, explain to me how some obscure comic explains all the bs...
^ this
Thanks for answering my question!
The way the grand inquisitor and reva survived is the same way maul survived getting cut in half. The grand inquisitor even explains it: “revenge does wonders for the will to live”
Bingo. "The dark side is a pathway to many abilities that some consider to be unnatural." One of the big differences between the dark side and the light side is that the light side considers death a natural part of life while the dark siders will do everything they can to extend their own lives (usually at the expense of others).
@@GooeyChewie but dude, that is the lamest way of storytelling ever.
So is palpatine dead or not?
How can we be sure that all of the bad guys are dead at this point? They could all be alive for all we know.
There are no plot holes.
You just choose to call them that.
Canon was never broken.
He left her alive for a reason.
Cope
@@Styinee nope
What a load of garbage.
This video is stretching on a lot of things
Excellent 👍🏾
Great video. I think the show does an excellent job of standing in its own. Most of the plot holes are addressed in the series.
The one thing that bothered me for a while was Obi-Wan leaving Vader alive in the final episode. Especially after Vader said he killed Anakin. I know it may have spoiled that final reveal, but how awesome would it have been to see Kenobi staring down Vader before hearing “He IS the Chosen One.” This would have caused goosebumps. We would have all thought that was the Qui-Gon cameo, and it might have made that final scene better.
If Vader doesn’t live, would Luke have defeated the Emperor? No, because Anakin was the Chosen One to bring balance to the Force.
Loved the series and thanks for the content.