Teddy Atlas Shares His Top Pound for Pound Boxers in Modern Era (1950s-Present)
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My Top 5 of the modern era - the order is debatable except for Ali's #1 spot imo.
1) Ali
2) Pacquiao
3) pernell
4) duran
5) roy jones (unbelievable talent possibly the best ever in his prime but his record isn't good enough)
honorable mentions: than can easily make the list.
mayweather
ray leonard
hagler
monzon
Of all time 1.Ray Robinson 2.Mayweather Jr 3.Ali. 4.Ray Leanard 5.Manny Pacqiao
Of the past 50 Years 1.Mayweather Jr. 2.Ali 3.Ray Leanard 4.Manny Pacman 5.Roberto Duran
@@LoKnowsBoxing Read up on Harry Greb, Henry Armstong and Sam Langford
1.Ray Robinson
2.Muhammad Ali
3.Roy Jones
4.Pernell Whittaker
5.Roberto Duran
I know Ray Robinson was better during the 1940s but he accomplished a lot in the 1950s as well.
@Daniel Neville Imo boxing's untouchables are Robinson, Ali, Greb, Armstrong and langford. Order is debatable. Shockingly both Bill Cayton and Jim Jacobs (boxing film collectors) studied Ali and Robinson extensively and said Ali is much faster and they think he would beat Ray Robinson if ray was a heavyweight! Bill cayton even said he thinks Ali is the GOAT after studying films for hours. IDK it's tough to say who would win but the true GOAT is undoubtedly one of those 5.
The list:
16:50 Muhammad Ali
27:11 Carlos Monzon
30:27 Sugar Ray Leonard
35:31 Marvelous Marvin Hagler
42:10 Roberto Duran
52:12 Julio Cesar Chavez
56:20 Pernell Whitaker
1:01:31 Michael Spinks
1:05:51 Evander Holyfield
1:08:20 Floyd Mayweather Jr.
where's pacquiao tho? I'm a floyd fan but i think he's missing there...
plus RJ jr
Sugar Ray Robinson was a great as well. I don’t know about time of Willie Pep. But pound for pound he could have beaten most featherweights
@@sebastianblackfyre ray robinson was 40s-50s
Id take floyd out put pac in
Cant figure out if Ken is a billionaire, millionaire, upper middle class or Teddy gave him a job to keep him off the streets
He cant do too bad, if he is Sugar Ray Leonard's neighbour 35:15
44:05
Guys rich as hell
Gave him a job to stay off the streets. Ken was a gangster lmaoooo 🤣🤣
Love this comment
List starts at 12:50
Thanks i was geting tired of teddys rambling about who the hell knows what lol
MVP
😂😂😂
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Not all heros wear capes!
Damn you finally got Teddy the good camera
Upgrade 💪
For anyone who doesnt have the time to listen to the whole vid.
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Carlos Monzon
3. Ray Leonard
4. Marvin Hagler
5. Roberto Duran
6. Julio Cesar Chavez Sr.
7. Pernell Whitaker
8. Michael Spinks
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
People dont know how good monzon was because he was from Argentina, if he was from USA or UK it would be different, im not complaining, just stating a fact.
So a BS list like I thought. This guy is a clown.
@@ritzkola2302 lets read your list woman
@@MMA_Content no
Daniel Neville Your mother’s
Duran, Hagler, Hearns and Leonard made me love boxing like no other sport.
This is true. I feel like this also with Camacho Chavez Duran tied in with these names. Such a great era
I am with you my brother. My favorite was Sugar Ray, I can still remember watching him for the first time win the gold medal.
Teddy, your knowledge, experience and insight of the Boxing game; provides your subscribers and viewers with an experience and wealth of knowledge, that's unlike any other. Thank you so much.
%100 agree bud, that was a truly golden era of boxing won't ever see that again.
1000% and the thrill of them all wanting to fight not avoiding each other
16:37 for teddys p4p list!
Much appreciated👍🏾
Love ya dude
Thanks brotha 👍
What a great description of Hagler. “The fort’s surrounded!” “How many guys you got..?”
Haha i thought that was great made me laugh.
Pernell Whitaker beat Roger Mayweather so bad that he trained his nephew to be Pernell Whitaker 2.0.
@Stephen Joens bruh he never said Floyd was better
Bob Simon he said 2.0
@Stephen Joens Floyd is better then Pernell Whitaker. YOU dont know shit about boxing!!😂😂😂
@Stephen Joens Floyds jab would keep Pernell at bay and control the whole fight, by being physical and Timing Pernell. Pernells not faster at all nor does he have better defense,. Isnt this the same Pernell who got Decked by Roger Mayweather, with that piston right? Like I said, YOU dont know shit about boxing😂😂😂!
@Stephen Joens why do all you guys use the "dont know shit about boxing" quote. be original ffs. have you ever laced them up because i have been boxing for 14 years.
ill tell you now that floyd is better than pernell. pernell was great and im a huge fan but floyd is/was better. the only problem with the second part of floyds career is he became less exciting as he jumped in weight, and this sport is also about theatre.
Marvin Hagler was my Grandads favourite boxer. My Grandad was a coal miner back then so it shows who Marvin Hagler appealed to. He's always telling me how great Marvin was.
Where was your grandfather a coal miner at?
Hagler was a monster incarnate . Always hungry ,always angry , always determined. Trained like a spartan warrior and fought like one too .
Rip Marvelous one
@@jakedrago7805greatest middleweight ever and my 2nd favourite ever next to Mike Tyson
How isn't Roy Jones Jr on the list Teddy went from super middleweight to heavyweight to win a title totally underrated
A definite top 10... not the top half but surely around 9-10th
You mean from middleweight to heavyweight
At his peak from like 1993 to 1998, I don’t know that any fighter who ever lived could have beaten Roy Jones Jr. He was doing things that you can’t defend against. He doesn’t get the respect he actually deserves. When you can make an incredibly skilled fighter like James Toney look like a club fighter, that’s next level. I don’t care about the end of career when his reflexes diminished, he had more than a decade run where he was untouchable.
@@brandnew9834 Totally agree. Peak Jones barely lost a round let alone a fight.Number 1 for me
I always thought a great “fantasy”fight would have been Roberto Duran vs Julio Cesar Chavez at 135 to 140 lbs both in their prime.
I agree
Duran would kill him
@@thirstybonsai1888 Nobody "killed" Prime Chavez - Duran might have beaten Chavev, but it wouldn't have been easy.
Good shout but Duran would of been to much for him. Dont forget that three quarters of chavez wins were tomato cans. Duran was a different type of savage.
I'm a Chavez fan buuuuuut... Roberto??? I don't think so... Duran would've beaten him. I don't think easily but... He would beat Julio.
This guy is incredible such a great character respect from the UK
A Great Teacher. In my humble opinion, Teddy could transform any fighter into a potential world champion.
The 70's were the epic era for heavyweights then came the 80's and the welterweights and middleweights. Good times to be a fan and a kid.
Your spot on i feel exactly the same, boxing just is no where near as good now miss the golden era badly.
I listened to this on the way back from work today, great stuff, Teddy!
In addition, an undeniable fact: Besides the late great Emmanuel Stewart, no boxing trainer was in the corner of 3 heavyweight champions in 3 different time eras, like Teddy Atlas was. Mike Tyson, Michael Moorer, and Alexander Povetkin (the Russian who just annihilated Dillian Whyte, at 41 years old). I know that many will say now that when Atlas was training Tyson, Tyson was not a world heavyweight champion, yet look at the impact of Atlas to him. Also, who else "gave" a championship to two different fighters in the heavyweight division, during the fight itself? Remember what happened to Moorer vs Hollyfield. Remember what happened to Povetkin vs Chagaev. Atlas changed the tide of the fight, by pushing his pugilist to his limit not as an athlete but as a human being. I, personally, cannot recall any other trainer who has done that. To conclude: Deontay Wilder needs Teddy. But that was my 50cent worth words.
Eddie Futch, Cuss De Amato, and Freddy Roach. Look up those miracle workers and itll change your life. Those guys could make it rain in that ring if they wanted, nothing was impossible for them.
Reason why Atlas was sour towards Tyson, was he had invested a lot in this young kid. He taught him skills & strategies, which Tyson absorbed like a sponge.
Teddy Atlas is the single Greatest Ambassador, that there has ever been, for Combat Sports.
Everyone knows how knowledgeable and passionate Teddy is; But I don’t think people realize just how intelligent, profound, genuine, and altruistic he is.
Teddy is like the Dalai Lama; Except he teaches people about beauty, and the Path to Enlightenment-via Combat Sports.
no hes not his fight predictions are wrong 95 percent of the time
@@shaunmaguire6912that doesn't mean a damn thing
Hey Ken we're gonna buy you a Yankee hat and ship it to you as a token of our appreciation for putting together a great show! :-D lol
Ikr this Fool come on here with that Fkn Redsux hat and dont know one day thing about them..
Always been watchjng on CZcams probably subscribed from all my accounts 😂 but last week i downloaded some podcasts on Spotify. And man ive been listening non stop, love the work from everyone involved in the production... Thank you from fight fans everywhere
One of the best pound for pound fighters that is not widely known was a guy by the name of Salvador Sanchez. He was one of the featured fighters in the early days of HBO. If you want to see a little guy who kicked much a$$ go back and watch some of his footage. Tragically he was killed in a car accident in the prime of his career. He definitely deserves some respect put on his name.
Wilferdo Gomez Was Considered Unbeatable Until He Moved Up And Fought Sanhcez.. Sanchez Was An Unbelievable Fighter.. His The Greatest Mexican Fighter I've Seen In Terms Of Ability And His An ATG No Doubt As Far As I'm Concerned.. It's Just A Shame We Dident Get To See How Much longevity He Could Have Had That's Why It's Hard To Rate Him But He Was So Good So Young He Had The Potentiality To Be The Best Ever But We Will Never Know.. I Mean Look At Benitez, Look At Tyson....
He beat everyone in his division decisively!
Any real boxing fans know who he is. One of the greatest fighters I've seen.
Had he lived he would have been on this list.
appreciated as always fellas
Just found this channel.....Teddy is a god for boxing information, giving his honest, unfiltered opinions....cant wait to see a lot of this stuff.
I think if RJJr retired in time he would get a lot more credit. Remember he started at middleweight and went up to become a heavyweight champion of the world.. wow
@irish mickey and Tarver was not even top ten of the era
Not to hate but Roy was a heavyweight titlist who beat a tomato can named Jon Ruiz. The one he had s chance to beat.
@Warren he beat both of them first. After he lost a step, they got their revenge. So would the others have.
@steveninthe get it straight, he was always the athlete and never close to the best pure boxer.
Roy was never a MW. The day before the fight weigh in helped him tremendously. In the important era of boxing the fighters weighed in the day of the fight. Roy is a big guy who fought MW at over 180 lbs. Natural MW’s has a huge disadvantage. When he fought someone who could hit back in his real weight class he got cold cocked. He had great speed but his lack of conventional boxing ability was terrible.
Great episode! Hope teddy would also talk about what kind of calisthenics his fighters did and what were the things they had to abstain from. That would be great!!
Abstaining from sex and alcohol probably
Nice to see you mention Holyfield being the greatest cruiser weight of all time. So many do not know this.
Buenisimo! Viva argentina! Carlos monzon in the number 2 slot had me cheering in the middle of the night, amazing 🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷 thank you for talking about him teddy
Muchos aqui delos Estados Unidos no conosen el gran Monzon. Sin duda unp delos mas gra des de todos los tiempos 🥊
Me encanta que teddy reconozca a Monzón y eso que no es la primera vez que lo hace!!!!
@@lawrencedeherrera5342 The Black fighters are the best always have been people just have so much hate in their heart that it’s sad.
@@MarkJohnson-xs1ql no your way off base. They may be for you because you have guilt. Or vecaisr they dominated the whites for ever in fighting.
@@MarkJohnson-xs1qldon't be a soft ass nigga,in teddy's list the best ever is a black man,also a lot of black fighters in his list🤷🏻♂️
I definitely respect Teddy's list. I'd bet money on a prime Roy Jones vs anyone from middleweight to supermiddle who ever boxed. Roy's reaction time and speed were absolutely ridiculous. He also had plenty of power to go along with that speed. I wish Roy had better opponents in their primes while he was in his. Hopefully boxing fans in the future will remember him.
His journey from middle all the way to the heavy weight is a spectacle
Roy Jones vs Marvin Hagler at Middleweight??
@@bigbadladnamedalasad7071 That would be one hell of a show. I'd take Roy by decision. I think Jones, with his size and speed, would be able to take the win. Roy's chin was damn near untouchable and he was never tired.
Bet money? I'll bet his life on it. Roy Jones would humilate Rocky Marciano...
@@bigbadladnamedalasad7071 hagler gets embarrassed. Hagler beats anybody except the most talented boxer that ever lived.
Hagler!! I love that guy. My favourite boxer ever.
Trying to get something to listen to to distract me from my run.. thanks guys, you’re the best
Great video. Thank you for sharring your're wisdom of the Sport with us.
I don't know who Teddy chose, but had Roy Jones Jr retired after the Ruiz heavyweight title fight, I'm pretty sure that he would now be universally recognised as the greatest pound-for-pound fighter in history.
Or even after the first Antonio Tarver fight.
Nah. He would have gotten accused of ducking Hopkins among others
Omg this is just ducking beautiful 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥Jeep up the good work
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Really love Teddy Atlas taking boxing, could listen to him all day long great guy great knowledge.... Please keep doing them.
I’m so glad Sweet Pea is on this list.
My top five Muhammad Ali, sugar ray Robinson, Pea wee whitaker, Joe Louis, Marvin Hagler.
Peter Lucas I can appreciate your top five, you and Teddy Atlas know some things about boxing. You both put PW on the list and only folk who know boxing would do it. In my humble opinion PW's best match came in defeat to the great Chavez Sr. who he absolutely destroyed. He out boxed him and out slugged him. So much so Chavez should have protested the decision 😂
What about Henry Armstrong
What about John L. Sullivan. Check out his knockout compilation vids
@@adityasingh3331 He's my #3 best pound-per-pound boxer of all time...
Monzon was great fighter.
Would have been great to see a middleweight tournament with Monzon, Hagler, Hopkins, and Golovkin.
Awesome show..Thank you
Dam ive been under a rock.. great podcast wonderful content....Time Piece for sure...THANK YOU..
(allowing teddy to speak is where this podcast wins)🏆
Great listen again, look forward to this every week, would've had Lennox in there above holyfield, never gets the credit he deserves, gold medallist, unified the titles avenged both his defeats, beat everyone in his era apart from bowe who ducked him and had a sledgehammer right hand. Would also put Hopkins instead of mayweather, because of his middleweight title run of 10 years, then stepping up to light heavy winning various titles in his 40's.
Cmon man he ducked Tyson holyfield and retired rather than remstiching vitali
Suspect
@@debopapalucious9444 um he fought holyfield twice and beat him comfortably both times, although the first one he was robbed with the draw, he also dominated and stopped tyson, although tyson was past it Lewis would have always been too big and too good for him. He was also 38 when he fought klitschko (and stopped him) so he can be forgiven for not taking a rematch imo at that stage, he retired after and he won the fight, it amazes me that he doesn't get credit for a stellar career. Riddick bowe gets more props than him and he threw his title away rather than face Lewis and went life and death with holyfield. If Lennox was American he would be talked about as one of the best heavyweights ever.
Ant, this was P4P Holyfield is still the greatest cruiser ever and besides that did a good job in heawy.p4p is actually think Holyfield is well ahead of Lewis, at heawy though i agree with you.
P4p list are subjective, but I have to question why roy Jones isn't on the list, and how anyone can put Michael Spinx in front of Mayweather and Holyfield?
@Sagres d'Amor He did not smash Pac...
Brain damage
@@vetklodder No but it wasn't one of his most difficult fights either.
Roy was great, but apart from Toney, there was little call for most of his fights - he side-stepped a lot of notable fighters - not to say he would have lost those fights, but the fact that he didn't take those fights hurt him historically.
Roy was incredible to watch at his best though.
No roy jones means the list is utterly invalid and str8 up bullshit. This guy has a strange agenda at times. His comments on Loma has proven that..always propping up that overrated kid who fights nobodies.
Tthisisthe most sensible pound forpoundlistI I haveever heard. ThankyouTeddy Atlasfor sharingyourgreatknowledge and love ofboxing
Much love and respect Teddy.
OK Teddy I did what I was told and watched the Cleveland Williams v Ali and I gotta say he was so good he even threw in a few body shots 😉 and also offence wins you games but defence wins you leagues 👊
couple of Honorable mentions though a prime Roy Jones jr, Felix Trinidad, Winky Wright, Andre Ward & Macho..compliments for the extended really
Monzon. Teddies got it pretty close. Monzon was just superb.
Teddy is my guy...ever since I read his 1st book i was hooked. Leaving out Roy Jones Jr? The man was untouchable. Even won a heavy weight title.
I'm really surprised he didn't have Pacquiao in the top 10, the world's only 8 division world champion who also holds the record for the oldest welterweight champion in history after beating Thurman at 40.
He is a Pacman hater.. But to be honest.. among these figthers, no one has ever comes close to what Manny has achieve, not even Ali.
Sugar Ray Robinson was 29 in 1950 and although he had a lot of miles on him already, I feel out of respect for the best ever he should've been mentioned. Pac man as well.
Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest P4P according to Joe Louis, Floyd Patterson, and Ali. He was like the original Roy Jones Jr. with a better chin.
maybe he meant boxers who started after 1950s
The list was post 1950's. Sugar Ray retired in 55. Atlas does say he was the greatest of all time.
@@brandnew9834 He was years ahead of his time.
I'm amazed he leaves out Pacman.
Great video!!
Enjoy it folks. I could listen to teddy all day
Teddy is truly a living legend, an oracle of the sport he deserves his accolades while he's still with us..
He’s like the last of those old school boxing historians like Bert Sugar.
Monzon is the most underrated boxer ever, probably because he was from Argentina. And from an era where the media wasnt what it is today.
He was also a pretty horrendous human being. Guys like that typically don't get celebrated.
@@jtaco4101, well he was a great boxer and that is what this list is about.
Thank you for all of the videos. I was wondering If the show would cover some amateur boxers that were/are great. The differences in movement and psychology from different armature programs such as the Cubans and Soviets.
The speed and skill of Ali in the mid 60’s + the Power, Will, and Chin of Ali in the early 70’s, is what would be an absolute Prime Ali in 67’ 68’ & 69’ and we never saw it.
Monsoon and Hagler over Duran is a brave pick considering Duran had a dominant run against fellow lightweights and then fought bigger guys while Monzon and Hagler had their best wins against smaller guys coming up in weight and they never moved up themselves.
Someone who gets it!
Lovely vid for a master but I can’t have Spinks in there over Lennox Lewis or Pac man there is no way. I love ya Teddy but I just can’t.
Been waiting for this
BJJFanatics: Huge honor for Teddy
"Bring everyone, What you mean everyone? EVERYOOOOOONE!!!!
Very good analogy, Teddy!!!
Ken, can you please tell the guy for once to count down from 5
The best list. Thanks Men
Thanks for sharing 🙏 It was so insightful. Especially, the story you shared about training Twyla Tharp.
Hagler did not beat leonard, leonard wasnt even the same fighter like when he fought duran and yet he still looked amazing, i gave hagler some rounds he was putting it on leonard in middle rounds but leonard definitely won more rounds and box perfectly in spots!
Yes he did .!! My GOD what is wrong with you . Ray stole rounds with flurries and tassels.
Ted's becoming the mickey from rocky
I love the passion Teddy has for boxing
Thanks for bringing up Whitaker. One of my favorites
Teddy your a living legend❤️
Ray Sugar Robinson by far..greatest boxer who ever steped in the ring..
A-PINOCCHIO-greed...a-PINOCCHIO-greed...
Huge respect for Teddy Atlas, great Hagler part (and Teddy is talking about Garry Oldman in Leon: The Professional)
bj. i grew up with George Chuvalo kids, went to school with them and hung out, got to see alot of the famous knockouts footage first hand, i love your guys content Ken and Ted, its great! is there any chance you will do the top 5 or 10 trainers of all time?
Pacquiao was 8 dividion, 5 lineal. What was the meaning of "POUND FOR POUND"???????
Pacquiao is a cheater and cherry picker and 🦆
No Pacman!? Manny is a beast and one of my favourite fighters of all time, as well as being a really nice dude.
Won belts from Flyweight to Welterweight and still fighting at an old age. Teddy was always a Pacman hater since Pacquiao denied him as a coach in his lightweight days.
@@michaelangelokapirig6151 That makes sense considering that Tyson wasn't on the list either. Teddy obvously holds a grudge.
@@DiccusBiggus Pac look steroids
@@aspiknf Never heard that one before.
When Pacman came to Atlas for training but atlas reject Pacman...
Thank you Teddi for naming the Great Carlos “ Macho “ MonZon in your list . MonZon was a bad man !
Thanks Teddy
Aside from Ali and Mayweather, this list would be more appropriately titled 'Most Underrated Boxers' of all time.
Hagler beat Leonord 🥊 Chavez Duran Monzon Hagler Ali. 5 best since the 50's
Teddy atlas is so brilliant.
Love to have seen Chaves vs. Duran at 135-140 both in their primes. Wow!!!!
Teddy where is Wilfredo Gomez, Sánchez, & Wilfred Benitez?
Benitez started his career well, but Duran was his last great fight when Benitez was still in his early 20s. After that, Benitez was losing as many fights as he had won. He didn't train.
Sanchez had great all-around ability, but he wasn't allowed to complete his career - we'll never know if he would have beaten, Arguello, or Pedroza - the Gomez win was against a smaller fighter, great as he was, but Gomez didn't take any prep fights at 126lbs to prepare for Sanchez - he jumped straight into the fight with Sanchez...Sanchez was brilliant against Gomez though.
& speaking of Gomez, his KO record at 122lbs was the best in history. But his ability didn't translate well when he moved up in weight - but he was able to turn the clock back against LaPorte at 126lbs. He fought a beautiful fight that night.
Nice you know your Boxing.
Sanchez by the time he was 23 beat Lopez, Nelson and Gomez. Impressive. That in itself is a career.
@@kufujitsuBenitez not only didn't train but was deep into drugs 😔
you said in a podcast with masvidal you thought pacquiao would beat pernell but pac don't make your top 10?
Just because someone beats someone doesn’t mean they are greater P4P. Mayweather beat Pac, but who is higher in your P4P list?
Jasper Taylor Clearly Floyd.
Finessed Analyzer i was asking Ace28 specifically... because I saw his P4P list in another thread
@@intellicogroup405 Pacquiao has clearly accomplished more then pernell tho, the head to head comparison actually is closer than overall career accomplishments. But come on not even top 10 ? Michael spinks ahead of pacquiao?!?!
Ace28 yeah the Michael Spinks thing is crazy. But I guess that’s why anyone’s list will be subjective. There should be a P4P list based on stats only. And there should be points based on fights, wins, losses, titles, heads to heads against other champions, titles in different divisions etc. Then there will be no debate... or at least less crazy opinion based additions
The last 50 freaking years!?!? Too hard to name, theres too many.
Thank you thank you thank you !!!!! for bringing up Mr Spinx.
Do you think the peekaboo style would have suited Pacquiao if he had a trainer like Cus or you Teddy from the very beginning?
That would have been amazing but he probably would be changed to orthodox, I think Cus didn’t let southpaws in his gym or didn’t train them to compete level because they make boring fights
@KieranGunnOfficial Great points
Leonard used the blue print from his second Duran fight to sneak a decision against Hagler. But P4P I have Duran ahead of Leonard and Hagler.
Lennard yes but not hagler
@@JRygh Hagler should neve rbe at any top 20 best ever. he never fought outside of middleweight while leonard,duran,hearns and manny others did.
Leonard beat him, duran smiled at the end of the fight in his face when hagler was knocking out everybody. Just no way
I also have Duran ahead of Leonard and Hagler on my P4P list, but in the case of Leonard, only by a whisker.
guys lets not forget that the lead up to that second fight between duran and leonard is one of the most ugly in boxing history where duran was blackmailed to fight and didnt have enough time to get fit for the fight
Duran ahead of Leonard? No way. Two different talent levels. Speed beats power. Sugar Ray Leonard was the superior pure technical boxer, the superior athlete. More precise footwork. Leonard had to abandon like half of his abilities to make a competitive fight with Duran lol. You guys are picking with your hearts lol.
I'm glad you put Hollyfield in there. He was so good and had more exiting fights than any heavyweight in the 90's.
Filled with steroids
🍀👍🍀great segment
How can you have Michael Spinks ahead of Floyd Mayweather lol
Lol, something about Floyd makes people unable to render an unemotional opinion about him. They hate him, and they never got a chance to see him humbled. He made close to a Billion dollars, never lost a fight, and honestly was never really pushed that much in a fight. He also beat a lot of people’s heroes.
Because he fought MUCH better fighters!!...end of discussion!
@@johnnyzee383 no he didn't
@@darealmacpower5702 Then you do NOT know anything about boxing. Stop talking now or you will get exposed.
@@johnnyzee383 substantiate your claim
I think it's sad how time and time again when the pound for pound discussion comes up, we never hear the name Thomas Hearns. The guy was the first 4 division champion AND the first 5 division champion in the toughest era of those weight divisions so why does he always get forgotten? He also got to a 40-1 record before he lost the second time. He gets criticized for losing two of his biggest fights to Leonard and Hagler but he was fighting maybe the greatest pound for pound fighter of all time and the greatest middleweight fighter of all time! What about the big fights he won against Pipino Cuevas who was the welterweight champ, against Wilfred Benitez who was 43-1 at the time, against Roberto Duran who he destroyed in the second round and against Sugar Ray Leonard in their rematch where Hearns actually won? Even Leonard admitted that. Why doesn't he get credit for those great fights? He also gets criticized for an alleged weak chin but if it was so weak, he wouldn't have been able to go all the way from the welterweight division to the light heavyweight division. He took the light heavyweight crown from an undefeated Virgil Hill and handled everything he had to offer. I wouldn't call that weak. People also forget how many punches it took Leonard and Hagler to get him out of there. I think that Thomas Hearns is sadly one of the most underrated fighters of all time. He definitely belongs in the top 5 in the pound for pound discussion.
Agreed Tommy is up there for me as well!
He's definitely up there too, but I guess the way Hagler beat him kind of casts a shadow in people's minds?
The idea that even Ray Leonard said Hearns won means absolutely nothing. I am confused when people have no other argument for an athlete or any other person they often refer to what the winner said. Most times the winner is being humble and are just being classy and even if they werent that isnt an argument for anybody achieving something that they didnt. This is used when a real argument cant be made.
Yeah
I believe Tommy "hitman" Hearns in his prime would of given Mayweather a hard time.... maybe even won ! A great boxer !
@@ram0666
Well....we know for a fact that there were boxers that got robbed out of there wins !
And most boxers (not all) but most say they believe they won. No matter the decision. Unless it's a very clear win.
That is a hell of a list.😅
I am sure that there are a name or two that I could throw out there, but like Teddy said, it is a subjective exercise. Great show.
Great to listen to teddy
Pound for pound means you can move up and down weight classes and still give a good fight, pacquiao should be in top 10 list.
I'd argue he's top 5 ,8 division world champion plus 5 lineal world titles and champion in four different decades
TEDDY STILL SNORTING THAT NOSE CANDY I SEE.
I too lived through the Ali era. Allow me to add to Teddy’s take:
1. Ali was not just the most famous boxer in the world. He was not just the famous athlete in the world. He was the most famous PERSON in the world.
2. He was boxing. He is the only athelete of any sport who actually became “bigger than the sport”. No one before or since has accomplished this.
3. He was much bigger and stronger than people realized. (See how he throws Foreman around the ring.).
4. So he’s as big and/or as strong as any other heavyweight….he’s much faster and agile than any heavyweight…and his ring IQ is perhaps the highest in boxing history. I’m pretty sure he started the concept of “ring generalship”. Ali looked at it as the true sweet science and was so dominant in his prime he struggled to challenge himself at times. He is the one athlete I would never ever bet against when it mattered. Every “big moment” of his career…he won.
5. Finally, he accomplishes all of this…during the greatest generations of Heavyweights ever.
I don’t like it when people say “Ali was the greatest because what he did outside the ring. “. Wrong. He was the greatest for what he did IN the ring….outside was just a bonus that made him what he is. He
One thing that was severely underrated about Ali was his clinchwork. He knew how to clinch to take away opponents' tools, which is how you should use clinching.
I noticed when I saw Foreman vs Norton, I thought to myself "Norton isn't using clinching to help himself..."
Ali was a fighter who know how to clinch, and he was controlling Foreman with his clinchwork.
Thank you so much Teddy. Please tell me what that figure is behind your chair?
Well, PFP are always subjective espessialy from Teddy, 1 Pacman should be there 100 %, but Teddy personaly dont like him, and another reason why Teddy will not put him in the list because Pacman is not american, he chooses Floyd instead. But the truth is that Pacquiao was a fenomenal fighter, he still is and his achievements in the sport was above Floyds. Be fair Teddy, I love you, but be fair. Roy should be there to. Sorry that I critisize you guys sometimes, I love your show, always watch it, but thats my opinion. Chears from Estonia
I thought the reason he talked soo well about Ray Leonard was because he came to his foundation. Well sure enough I was right Teddy said Sugar Ray Leonard came to his foundation dinner. Lol
Ali did jab to the body a little when he was champ in the 60s. Amazing boxer. The Greatest!
That title belongs to SRR.
@tintinesk
What philosophy you dummy, there are countless boxing matches of SRR out there. Granted, there are just a few fragments from his prime, but his record more than proves he was the greatest boxer. By 1952, when he first retired, he had a record of 128 wins, 1 loss and 2 draws with 84 knockouts. From 1943 to 1951 he had a unbeaten streak of 91 fights.
By comparison, Ali looks like a poor joke.
Every boxing expert will tell you Sugar Ray Robinson is the best to have ever laced them gloves on.
Ali ain't even top 5 p4p.
Teddy is one of the greatest coaches of all time
Great show guys great picks too I personally was not a Leonard fan however, I admit he was a great fighter when I saw him lose to Hands of stone the first time I gained respect for him great fighter.