Teddy Atlas's Mythical Matchups Part II - Mike Tyson vs. - Who Wins? | Episode 33
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- Teddy Atlas and co-host Ken Rideout talk through Teddy's Mythical Matchups. Who wins in the below Mythical Matchups? Teddy shares his thoughts on each after wrapping up the Mike Tyson conversation from Mythical Matchups Part I.
MIKE TYSON vs GEORGE FOREMAN (37:05)
MIKE TYSON vs JOE FRAZIER (46:15)
MIKE TYSON vs SONNY LISTON (59:58)
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The way Forman pushed guys away from him with both hands was unique, little guys could never get in on him
Frazier got knocked down 11 times in his career which sounds alot, until you realise 8 of those were agaisnt george foreman lol
Against George in one fight and he got up every time
@@ericm3327 2 fights. 6 times in the 1st fight (in 2 rounds!!) twice in the 2nd fight and yes he got up every time, incredible!
Lol. I didn’t know that though thanks
Ha 😆
6 were in 1 fight. So by theory if he stayed down like Tyson after 1 kd that looks better? No
That was profound about “when the devil knocked on the door, Holyield and others bolted the door, but Tyson did not.” So true.
I mean. A teddy Tyson dig at mike Tyson? *Never*
holyfield took steroids and peds, if he was so confident he should not have done that, why does not teddy bring that up? let us be fair!!!
@@alcottdevalte7440 bc he doesn't dislike Holyfield like he does Tyson.
@@deadarmd lol, that should stop, anyone remembers when holyfield bet jakey winters in georgia golden gloves in 1980? holyfield bit his damn shoulder when he was losing the fight... why does not anyone bring those stuff up???
@@alcottdevalte7440 I hadn't heard that. The thing is, evander fought with "heart" (and *lots* of roids) and that clouds people's visions at times
Sonny Liston is my most favourite boxer of all time. He had all the tools, punching power, reach, fist size, chin, technique, defence,head movement and intimidation.
I think that sonny would have scared many people so menacing with hands like buckets
Legends state that Liston was 45 years when he lost to Ali and was injured on his shoulders. The second fight is clear from Ali's own reaction was fixed. Well he lost just 3 times maybe. Certainly he is the greatest boxer of all time.
If you wanna lose your monny then bet on Sonny
Liston was a beast
What head movement you talking bout ? 😂
@@danekaneki9665 m.czcams.com/video/gqHacEBCb3I/video.html&pp=ygUUc29ubnkgbGlzdG9uIGRlZmVuc2U%3D This head movement
Imagine having Foreman as a sparring partner (would have loved to see these sparring) Liston/Foreman
Having grown up without a father. Teddy' word's of hard-hitting wisdom bring some perspective into my life.
Thanks Teddy. You have my respect.
what happened to him
I had a military father who raised us. We didn’t have money or the luxury, but to have a real Father in your life is a privilege. For others who never had that luxury is terrible. This is the problem with our society is a fatherless families. I wish I had Teddy Atlas as a trainer and I would out of respect & humility take everything he had to teach.
And sometimes it's best if your Father wasn't there at all. Mine was a monster and he fucked my Brother and Sister up so bad it's disgusting. I was his main target though. Why? He thought I was gay when I was little because I was so effeminate. He fucked me up the worst. The hyper violence and mental torture destroyed the roots to my proverbial tree. I waited too long to seek professional help and now I'm a complete loser that lost everything I had because the internal pain I didn't understand led me to abusing pain medication because the internal maelstrom of madness would go back into its cave when I took the pills. Anyway, enough about me. We need not only more Fathers but better Fathers as well.
@@Ididntaskforahandleyoutube
Today's loser can be tomorrow's winner.
@@maxhammer4067, that was a truly kind thing to say. I didn't write that for attention at all. I hate that stuff. But I appreciate that you took the time to write it. Cheers.
Teddy atlas is special. Sometimes he doesnt give mike a fare shake for personal reasons but we are lucky to have this boxing legend still with us. Big respect to you teddy
Dont be a fan boi digest some truth, teddy loves Tyson and Tyson loves teddy.
I disagree with you totally about him favoring Tyson. He just knows Tyson. I know he knew a 15-year-old kid when they split up but Teddy is all about the psychological aspect of it and he's right with Tyson you can see it if you really watch for it. The thing is is I totally disagree with most of Teddy Atlas's training techniques and his fight plans. I think he just doesn't know what it takes to make a champion but he can build a very good fighter or great fighters confidence. He's lucky he had such a great teacher in CusDAmato.
@@msw8966 he didn’t say anything about teddy favoring him. Wtf.
He gives Mike a fair assessment.
At times in little statements but certain things no Mike Tyson himself said cus told him that he's not a good fighter he beats people he knocks people out but he is not a good fighter and teddy said that and people who hear that statement take it like he is slandering him but cusdamoto was Teddy Atlas mentor so he knows Mike Tyson more than we do remember he taught Mike how to fight
31:49 if you wanna skip the rambling, and see the match ups
The world needs people like you
Thank you. Much appreciated 👍
Thank you,holy christ he rambles
I love you.... Thank you
You throw your hat in to the ring fir President this cycle and you got my vote!!!
I always wondered about a dream match between 135lbs Roberto Duran vs 135lbs Julio Cesar Chavez in their prime and undefeated.
I got duran.
@@sempremilan.9549 that wrestling shit he pulled?
Real bloody scary, cant say a lot would want to put up with that.
I woldnt, he pulls clinches in boxing like its nothing.
Draw 100 times out of 100
@@damianrehbein3992 yeah man.. he is dangrous i used to fear him whenever i saw him on tv
@@sempremilan.9549
He had that savage thing going.
George Foreman in comeback was never knocked down or even given an 8 count !! I think every other top 10 heavyweight in the 90s was KOed or at least knocked down or took a standing 8 count, But Not Big George in his 40s !!!
Please never stop doing these guys!! Much respect
Love this podcast - keep up the good work guys!!! I’m a huge fan
Thank you so much Ken and Teddy! God bless you guys!
Where The hell has Kevin Rooney been hiding the past 30 years. He’s like Luke Skywalker or Yoda. Banished and in exile. Bring him on the show fellas. Keep up the great work. Love your podcast. No weed smoke no cursing left and right real men
I believe he has dementia
He has dementia, he has not made many public appearances, it's very sad.
Embryo Damn I have seen one of his fights on CZcams. Not sure how many professional fights he had during his short career, maybe Tyson knocked him in the head one to many times in training. Lol God bless ya Rooney we all will eventually face health problems in life. Your not alone brother
@@ThankyouJesus81 Arguello........OUCH......
@@petierican6079 Yeah yeah.....We all get it. Chill the hell out. Telling people not to Judge WHILE JUDGING.
Liston was a Mysterious dude, great fighter.
Thx for that. The gem about Liston rotating his shoulder to further extend his jab is something that can be applied immediately to your own jab. 💯🙏
I love and respect the character and principles that Teddy Atlas possesses and displays while on camera.
Liston was much, much older than they listed him for the Ali fights. There’s a good book by a guy named Gallender out there that tells you how old he probably was. Evidence-based.
Agreed.
@@shaunm.2738 Liston year od birth was 1930 not 1932
His name was wrote on tree and even his mother said that he was born in 1930
So he was 2 years older than we think
Not that Liston would have had a chance anyway, I'm sorry but although Liston began professional boxing at a later age, in 1964 when he had been training to fight Floyd Patterson whom he annihilated, he sparred with a 16/17 year old George Foreman who he said at the time "everyone I know tells me I hit the hardest, but my stable boy can hit harder than I". Whether this was true at the time or just a joke, this was not the only instance that Liston has said these things regarding Foreman before his prestigious career (and Liston's untimely death). At best he was a smaller less powerful Foreman with better fundamentals. And young Muhammad Ali (Cassius Clay at the time) had the fastest hands and feet the world had ever seen terrific combinations inhumane timing and a unbelievable chin and heart that no one even knew about at the time.
@@Kingkodiakbear smaller, yes but less powerful? I doubt it. Liston had a thunderous and accurate jab. He knocked off Wayne Bethea's teeth. 16 pieces of them. With a jab. He manhandled Cleveland Williams, who although not as strong as Foreman, was still an incredible puncher. Liston has bigger hands then Foreman, and longer reach. Foreman might be faster, and stronger physically. But something tells me that Liston hits harder then him. Chuck Wepner said Liston hit harder than Foreman. Ali said that when he fought Goerge, he had to let George hit him, when he fought Liston, he had to make Liston didnt hit him. Of course Ali said Shavers hit the hardest. But i think looking at common opponents, Liston hits harder then Foreman. The reason Liston didnt get enough credits was that people hate him at the time and lack of competetition. George had the privilige of Pulverizing Joe Frazier but people forgot that Feazier ducked Liston. And old Liston at that. If Frazier had fought Liston, we might have had a better comparison. Liston was slower, smaller but had better fundamentals and hits atleast as hard or harder.
@@faizfahmihashim8199 its fair to come to that conclusion, but I personally don't think anyone hit as hard as Foreman and that is not an easy point to argue with. He used to spar Sonny Liston when they were young, both Sonny and Foreman said that each other were some of the strongest men each other have ever sparred against, but sheer power would have to go to Foreman. Sonny Liston throughout his career Liston had solid fundamentals and fairly accurate punches. George Foreman was reletively inaccurate but somehow more successful. Sonny had huge hands and an incredible reach but Foreman was freakishly strong using his arms to push people around and into the ropes where he wanted them. Foreman was no doubt physically stronger and I would say even though Liston was one of the hardest hitters of his generation, Foreman was possibly the hardest hitters in any generation.
Y’all are great!! Look forward to more episodes!!
great show lads , we dont know how lucky we are to have Teddy explain his boxing and life knowledge ,best podcast out there ken you get the best out of Teddy ... top Lads peace from Edinburgh x
I give Frazier a shot vs Tyson. The only fighter he ever looked bad against was Foreman. And Foreman was an absolute monster.
IF SWEET PEA VS FLOYD ISN'T A MYTHICAL MATCHUP, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? THE TWO "BEST DEFENSIVE" FIGHTERS IN THE PAST 30 YEARS. THIS HAS TO BE A MATCHUP TEDDY
what a snoozer thst would be
Who would throw the punches? They can’t counter punch the ref 🤣
Two defensive fighters would be the most boring fight possible.
@@ClownTrader1 Sweet pea would take many more offensive opportunities than Floyd, Whittaker had some offensive ability too...good jabber.
Pernell went for the ko is the main difference
Awesome video guys thanks for this, great job 👍👍
So excited for this, the 1st part was fantastic. Just brilliant and what an insight into the world of amature Boxing and a young Tyson.
10 minutes in and Teddy is still talking about his friggin house metaphor..... He needs Steve Jobs behind him shouting "Get on with it"..... Lol!!
Haha, yeah! Who wants a shower, a bath AND to use the downstairs sink at the same time anyway? :D
I'm guessing Ken or one of the producers told Teddy that the comments on the first video were overwhelmingly about Teddy's history with Tyson and saying its sour grapes. Teddy probably felt the need to clarify that from his perspective, he feels these are valid criticisms of Tyson that he would have even without the history they have, and that not pointing out these things about Tyson would be doing a disservice to the history that is supposed to be honest and objective, not tiptoeing around a point because he's afraid someone will think he is just being bitter.
He definitely beat the topic into the ground but had he just jumped straight into it saying Tyson would lose most of those fights, people would have lit up the comment section saying Teddy is just a hater because of his bad history with Tyson.
Go elsewhere if you don't like people of principle supplying you with free content.
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PUNT!!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!
SPLOSH!!!!!
@@pauljamessquibbs.3945 Interesting point.
Mike Tyson in general,Teddys insight, and their past together is, to me, one of the most compelling relationships in sports history. Can listen to Teddy talk about Iron Mike all day!
What do you mean? He hardly worked with Tyson? Only till Tyson was 15.
@@dondamon4669 he worked with Tyson for 3 years and was instrumental to young Tysons development as a great fighter!
Teddy doesn't like Tyson. He's been his toughest critic over the years
Only been a recent subscriber to your channel so catching up on all your episodes, but so refreshing and constructive and the passion you both have for what you’re doing, amazing job and keep up amazing work.! Big thanks for both ken and teddy. 👍🏼👍🏼
Another great podcast always a good listen My personal favorite podcast
Thank you guys I appreciate the channel please keep it coming
I haven't watched this yet, but imma go ahead and say Teddy thinks Mike loses to them all lol.
lol I haven't either---Teddy is a great boxing figure, and he knows Tyson as much as anybody, but there are some sour grapes
yep.agree 100%.Finds it hard to give Tyson any credit at all!
This is becoming the sour grapes cast
Agreed. Such a shame as Atlas is great to listen to and has much knowledge, but holds a grudge (even despite Tyson trying to make things right a few years back in his own way).
@Curtis Ostriker Teddy talks some stupid sh*t. He really lets himself down. Fight fans are not convinced by his arguments.
Thank you for this series and the channel. Second to none!
I am a 68yr old Englishman, an ex amateur boxer who loves the sport and Teddy Atlas is my favourite American involved in the sport of boxing, honest, knowledgeable and friendly. what more can you ask? Thanks, Teddy and believe me when I tell you that you have so much respect coming to you from our small Island!
Damn Teddy is such an epic story teller. The long pauses, suspense building, unblinking eyes, change of tonality with specific words and points made, emphasis on certain subjects, incredible showing of experience and attention to uncommonly seen detail etc I fuckin love it
It would be something to see if Teddy & Mike could chop it up w/o the drama.
Everytime Teddy picks a fighter to win they end up losing though lol
Teddy is a good man. The world needs this content.
Thoroughly enjoyed, thank you gentlemen.
Love this show, look forward to hearing your opinions on the rest of this list already 👍
Teddy to Mike Tyson
Is what Skip Bayless is to Lebron James
True😂
@Who da Fook damn your a bronsexual to its fullest
@Andi amo does it matter??
I say prime Tyson with Kevin Rooney beats Liston. It's a 50/50 fight but I give Tyson the edge with the speed.
You're underestimating Sonny Liston's own speed. He was a lot faster than you think, plus Tyson still has to deal with that jab.
@@martytdd1606 Tyson's footwork would be too good for him
Fear Monger I give Tyson the edge with the intimidation if you want to say that
@@martytdd1606 the type of jab liston used was a offensive jab to set up attacks putting the opponent in position and himself. Its not the type of defensive jab like holmes which is needed for the Tyson style
Howard Thurman Prime Tyson with Rooney beats everybody including Ali. Teddy’s still bitter about his breakup with Mike. That’s why he doesn’t give Mike the proper credit.
Teddy "its good to be arrrghhyyyygghjguh" atlas 😂 loving the podcasts keep em coming
Teddy’s interviews are outstanding, great work keep it up.
Very good. Homles vs Foreman?
great fight! Holmes has the style to beat formean but god damn foreman was a wrecking machine
This is a real fight fans dream matchup man this would have been a fight to see
15:50 what he says about Tyson being able to erase resistance with his prodigious punching is really interesting. Maybe one of the biggest reasons people still love him is because it's such an evocative and tantalizing metaphor to carry a weapon so effective that you can bypass your limitations. Instead of having to be weak and struggle against something dangerous, you can just smack it down.
Thats a great anology!! Teddy Is right with that one
@@loveboxinglucky1716 Love the screen name.
Finding away to make out being a great fighter is easy
Incredible episode fellas. I truly enjoyed the candid stories.
Love your work guys keep it up 👌🏻😎
Tyson didn’t want Foreman in the late 80s, early 90s. Imagine in the early 70s what Foreman would do.
stop follower thats a myth
The guy who lost to Jimmy Young? Stop. Tyson was definitely better than Frazier. I think he’d beat young George
@@ItsJOHNMayne another guy with sense and the blind followers forget George got hit alot by Alex who was way slower then Tyson
but for some reason Tyson cant hit George alot trolls so dumb
@@cmoneytheman And Tyson was knocked by Holyfield while Foreman went 12 full rounds
@@antiteroristickejedinicepo4830 follower who use quotes wasnt young tyson so wha is the reason u sayin that
young holy couldnt do that to young tyson so u flawed
Starts talking about Mike Tyson at 22:46
Love these.
Great stuff for not only boxing fans but also, seekers of truth. Entertaining and informative in many many ways.
Joe Louis appreciation is great, this guy is a pleasure to watch in ring, amazing footwork and timing
Tyson’s head movement and speed would’ve been a lot for anyone at that period to deal with. Btw, Tyson was scared as a little kid alone in Brownsville in the 70’s. Once Tyson got a little older he ran with well known street guys. All of them respected mike. Mike just wasn’t talk in or out of the ring. His intimidation factor was higher for a reason.
Foreman and espacially Liston where more intimidating.
Liston was number 1
George number 2
Ali beats his head movement, and has better footwork.
Foreman hit him, and had he not used his defense and went aggresive he would have lost.
NO ONE goes in on Foreman or Liston.
Not even Mike.
@@damianrehbein3992 I think if Mike had fought George , he would of used his come forward attack .. it's the only way he was taught to fight . I agree with Teddy 100% also that MIke's style was made for Foreman . People always say Frazier was not as fast .. as Mike , and didn't have the technical skills .But Mike would have the same problem still . He's down low .. with short arms , coming up at George , right in front of him . Every time Frazier lunged up at him , he got caught . Also agree when Teddy said George could take Mike's shots . He got hit with some clean shots , from Morrison who was a very hard hitter and he took them .
@Fredrick Frederickson which tyson were you watching? guys like bonecrusher smith and mitch greene and james tillis all stood in there with tyson right to the end, not one of them was close to being stopped , and none of these three were anywhere in the same class as foreman or liston, against pastry chefs and cab drivers tyson looked great, he beat the bums he was supposed to beat, he also could look ordinary like he did agasint tillis, or ineffective like he did against smith
@simonjames1604 who did foreman and Liston beats that were so great
@@simonjames1604 Mike beat up Mitch Green the entire fight. Mitch, smith and Tillis held on to Mike the entire fight. Mike had to taunt Smith to fight.
take your time Teddy, the info and knowledge is worth waiting for.
Love the show and love teddy, he's so honest and knows boxing in and out.its a pleasure to watch looking forward to see more. Thank you both. Johnny flocco, south philadelphia.
Sugar Ray Leonard vs Aaron Pryor
Teddy, you forgot to mention that Evander Holyfield was headbutting Tyson and he was on steroids too...
Clement Lipovicianu yes “Evans field”story espn people forget that
Teddy is awesome I wish I had a stand up role model like him growing up
This dude put a gun to a child's head.
Hardly a role model haha.
And a thief & a liar , he talks about Mike giving an image out and a fake nice persona Teddy is no different
@@ReservoirPunk Fair comment but Mike touched up his 11 year old relative!
LEFT HOOK LARRY a 190lb child that could knock out grown men, don’t forget that
Billy Loomis Yeah. A MANchild who could destroy a grown man in a fistfight who grinded on his niece. But hey...maybe you would of given Tyson a pass on that.
I Love these Pod casts so much. Im a huge Boxing fan and the way they rmeniss brings magic moments to life. Its like they are resurrecting dead moments of magic for us all to enjoy. Beutifull stuff.
Teddy you're the most respected man in boxing. I watch you because you tell it like it is and you don't pull any punches The most knowledgeable man I know on the subject of boxing. Thanks for what you do Teddy
You can hear the emotion when he talks about tyson, really wish him and mike could have done it all together. It would have been interesting
When Teddy Atlas talks about his skill set, abilities, strategic tactics & power, combined with awesome quick combinations he knows with that all behind Tyson he was the Ultimate Best. But he also knew what Tyson lacked which caused his undoing. Tyson needed a strong management training team behind him.
“Everything is gonna be alright”
-Teddy Atlas
That's bob Marley
Great stuff!
These guys are incredible. I could listen to either one of them talk for hours about boxing like I’ve been doing the past few while working. Ken has great patience and really knows how to give Teddy his space while still being brilliant. Teddy, he’s just The Godfather of tech. His insights and analogies cease to amaze me. I had to agree with all the assessments. Thanks guys!
Teddy's great, but he's got to waffle less and cut to the chase. We don't need to hear him justify his thoughts for 20 minutes.
it will never happen, its the person he is.
@@PM-ut8nl It is not the person he is it is the person he was trained to become Cus Damato used to explain boxing situations in the same method by using life experiences to get across what he was explaining except Cus Damato was more articulate than Teddy Atlas is - just imagine how good Mike Tyson would have become had Kevin Rooney and Teddy Atlas had both been in Mike Tysons corner - come to that imagine how long Mike Tyson would have remained Heavyweight Champion had Cus Damato not passed away and such a shame Cus Damato was not alive to see Mike Tyson become Heavyweight Champion - a lot of what ifs there but what if?
It would be better if Teddy waffled less, but ... it is not that bad. Teddy is still better than all other boxing commentators. His era gives him a historical perspective. and his waffling adds to the "mood" of this talk.
Totally agree. He digresses far to much and has a metaphor in every sentence. Loved his book but I'm starting to go off him now. Gets very uninteresting
by the way they put in the info section above at what times the predictions start.
I think Frazier’s chin was well above Tyson and his engine and heart would have made up the difference
Agree. Absolutely nothing in Tyson's career showed me he had a chin like Frazier. Also, Joe was setting up body shots, not just the left hook. Plus Frazier would run into you and lock you in the phone booth with him. Again, Teddy Atlas discounts Joe's speed, even his reflexes. If the man was quick enough to dodge repeat double hand barrages off of the fastest heavyweight in history while countering with his own shots (not just the left), why could he not do that with Tyson, regardless of if Teddy observes that Tyson also had a good right at his disposal?
What a great enlightenment on what it means to have or to be a real friend
Absolutely great anology teddy!! Love you guys youre great!!
Teddys rambling again! If he's being honest he should talk about Holyfield using steroids throughout his career
@sfg gh I think perhaps more into the 1990s - but 1980s (and prior) quite clean IMO.
@sfg gh Yes of course bro. Bodybuilders started using them from early 60s (and some prior). But in boxing (and I grew up watching Tyson and Hagler in the 80s), I always felt - as do many - that the sport was relatively clean. If you look at the physiques in the 90s (e.g. Holy, Morrison, and even a post-prison Tyson) there are more suspicious signs. Just my view
@sfg gh But who knows for sure. I think if they used it in the 80s it was of a lesser degree
oh and u somehow believe tyson and lewis didnt use any? lmfao get real buddy.
they were all on steroids especially mike tyson.
Teddy “ The king of analogies” Atlas
I can listen to Mr. Atlas all day. This guy is amazing. And Ken is a great host. I love this podcast and I'm not even a boxing fan!
Fascinating. I love this segment! Keep them coming. I agree with Teddy. My boxing knowledge is limited but what Teddy says makes sense to me. I’m interested to hear Marciano vs anyone as well as Sugar Ray Robinson versus some more recent fighters. Also, Jack Johnson.
Thanks for this great, free content. You talk at whichever speed you want, Teddy, these ADHD people can always skip through what they don't want to hear. Keep up the good work guys.
Exactly 🖒🖒 good comment
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Ken reminds me of myself when I'm hanging out with my ladies dad
Ok
Ladies?? Stop kidding yourself
Jokes man, I get what you're saying
Haha lol it's how it should be brother.
Great picks, surprisingly so in fact; wasn't expecting the likes of Duran vs. Mayweather.
Excellent show, and keeps getting better and better...
Can’t wait to hear the Duran v. Mayweather analysis and the Jones v. Hearns take.
I also would love to hear a Chavez v. Pacquiao analysis.
This is a really good show captivating Teddy boy cheers from tauranga newzealand
Sonny Liston jab is the craziest thing I've ever heard.
People like to exaggerate the old timers not saying listons jab wasn’t great it was great but maybe the only old timer worth exaggerating about is the great Joe Louis
@soup and old clothes I agree with you, you know your stuff. Liston had the best jab with his 84 reach and 15.5-inch fists, it was like a spear that went through you and could even ko you. But liston, skilled as he was, learned boxing around when he was 27 years old. Tyson was too fast, would bob and weave, and throw combination punches. 85-88 tyson would give anyone a tough fight, especially when he was trained by cus d`mato and kevin rooney. Teddy left too early.
@soup and old clothes liston had a great chin and could take a brutal punch, but he went the distance against marty marshall, whitehurst, machen and joiner, those opponents are no mike tyson, patterson weighed 180+ pounds, he never weighed over 200 pounds, even tyson would have ko`d patterson in round 1, liston` biggest wins are over patterson and cleveland williams who was ko`d a couple of times, tyson would also ko patterson and williams, the fighter that would have given tyson problems would have been a 64-67 ali, even though I believe that would have been a 12 round decision fight
@soup and old clothes Interesting facts, ali never got ko`d and tyson never lost a decision. I am sure it would have gone the distance. Ali would dance on his toes clockwise and throw hooks and jabs to keep tyson away. Tyson would cut the ring while bobbing and weaving while using the jab to set up the combination punches. Ali would clinch and move sideways while faking the body punch and throw a left hook afterward. And when ali would do the shuffle, tyson would jab to the body to keep him away, lol. Imagine ali the night he fought cleveland williams/zara folley against tyson the night he fought trevor berbick or michael spinks. This fight would have broken any ppv record out there if it ever happened. Even the press conference would have been extremely funny.
@soup and old clothes Tyson only trained for about 3 weeks against tony tucker and still won. He had an ear infection before he fought quick tillis. He was sick before he fought berbick, james smith and reggie gross, and he still managed to perform. The problem with tyson was lack of discipline once he fired trainer kevin rooney. He stopped training as he used to do, the other trainers didn't understand cus d mato`s peekaboo style, and he also had a crazy lifestyle considering he was the champ. Tommy brooks, who became tyson` trainer later on, said that tyson only trained for 2 weeks before he fought holyfield, and he still lasted 11 rounds, lol.
Mike under kevin. As cus said himself.."I cant see him loose"
He could, Mike under Kevin wins were questinable by quality of opponents...2 biggest names he beat were retired Holmes and Lightheavyweight Spinks who lost the fight even before the fight started...all others were medicore.
@@flipflop4396 Just stop already. You're ridiculous. He cleaned out the division, and you can only beat who is in front of you. Look at all the bums and geriatrics Marciano fought? Joe Louis was about 55 years old when he fought him, but do you question the greatness of that 50-and-0 supposed great? Note that Holmes was THIRTY-EIGHT, which is nothing for a heavyweight today.
@@ikemreacts Larry Holmes was 2 years out of boxing aged 38 when he fought Mike.
@@flipflop4396 So? Klit was 2 years out of boxing when he fought Joshua and still put in a career-best performance. And was 42 years old, not 38.
@@flipflop4396 Between November 1986 and October 1987 with Kevin Rooney as Mike Tyson's trainer - Mike Tyson won the WBC, then unified by winning the WBA, then became undisputed champion by adding the IBF, and defended the undisputed status, and in the space of that year Mike Tyson defeated Trevor Berbick, James 'Bonecrusher' Smith, Pinklin Thomas, Tony Tucker and Tyrell Biggs, all five of those were either a Heavyweight Champion belt holder, or a top ten contender at the time of the fight - That is five Top 10 contenders (or Heavyweight Champions) in the space of 12 months, hardly mediocre opposition (or questionable opponents), some Heavyweights don't meet that level of opponent during their career and Mike Tyson (with Kevin Rooney) defeated those top 10 ranked boxers in the space of 12 months - once Kevin Rooney was sacked as Mike's trainer, Mike Tyson became more static, and didn't duck and weave like he did under Kevin Rooney, which contributed to Mike Tyson becoming no longer invincible.
This is the best one ..
Incredible episode. Teddy Atlas for president! 🥊🇺🇸
If knowledge and experience could be bottled, they would call it Teddy Atlas.
Could listen to this guy talk all night.
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Look up Gene Kim
Top 5 fights that never happened but should've. (1) Mike Tyson vs Butterbean. (2) Lennox Lewis vs Riddick Bowe. (3) Joe Calzaghe vs Chad Dawson. (4) Oscar De La Hoya vs Roy Jones Jr. (5) Rocky Marciano vs Floyd Patterson.
Klitschko brothers against each other. :)
Butterbean would of been Koed in the first round
Calzaghe vs Dawson? Who cares about Chad Dawson?
@@mickbowe4252 I agree with you he needs to be fair and make it a interesting match up Marciano vs sonny Liston Calzaghe vs ward Calzaghe easily ko Dawson Marciano easily ko Floyd Patterson.
@soup and old clothes You're dumb asf
When Marciano retired in 1955 Patterson was middleweight and he wasn't contender
How the hell could ranked 1 HW fight with some no name middleweight at that time
I said it before and I'm gonna say it again
You're stupid
Yeah Teddy! Ken and you need to keep bringing these specials up from time to time, profiling all the division stars and their matchups over time - Mayweather, Pac, RJJ, Fury, Sugar Ray, Pernel Whittaker etc etc
I've never seen this episode of the mythical match ups very powerful stuff very moving it really shows that teddy loved Mike tyson and it was hard for him to tell this story but he did because he believes in himself and this show great job by teddy and ken powerful stuff !
I think teddy has great insight on boxing. He clearly shows respect to all fighters except 1
The most significant point that most people seem to miss in terms of Tyson’s decline is that his support team (his good handlers and trainers) virtually disappeared once that great snake, Don King entered the scene. Now there was no one to keep a wild, undisciplined and out of control Tyson in check. His training and conditioning suffered, but most of all, his mind was terribly distracted! Once a boxer casts these things aside, he puts himself in a weakened and vulnerable position. He sets himself up for a great fall. As l remember it, the Spinks fight was Tyson’s last hurrah. That Tyson, nobody beats!
The most significant point that most people miss is that - the points you made say exactly what Teddy was saying … that when the going got tough in his career he could not deal with all that was going on and hence Tyson suffered … to be a great champ is to deal with what happens in and out of the ring , deal with it in such a way that you WIN IN THE RING .
He was great but not as great as some people make him out to be .
I don’t like admitting this , but Teddy is correct .
@@zibtihaj3213 Teddy is an asshole and never mentioned how Tyson wasnt using the skills that got him there. He was walking in taking shots just to land one big punch. The young Tyson was almost impossible to hit and just kept on coming til you fell.
Good job Teddy taking control of the show instead of rehashig over old ground that you have already done. Despite 2 or 3 attempts drag it back when you already said i though5 we already done this. Thats the Teddy Atlas i grew watching and love to watch and learn from today. Great show both you guys.....
That liston vs tyson fight would be enchanting. Two intimidates of boxing; the one who started it and the one who was best known for it
dumb quote
Comment section last week: Teddy has a grudge against Tyson no objectivity
Comment section this week: Teddy is over explaining himself on Tyson. He needs to cut to the chase
Has a major grudge against him.
Y’all giving Teddy a hard time with Tyson, let him talk ! The thing about this podcast is that we the fans are passionate just like the hosts.. cut all the biased and understand we hear for the sport of boxing!!!! Love the Fight
Love Teddy and Ken ❤️
Love hearing this gentleman speak.
Tyson had fear, Joshua said he has no nerves or nothing going in the ring, hence why he lost and even says he doesn't have the passion for it.
Sugar Ray Robinson vs Sugar Ray Leonard.
Prime Roy Jones vs Sugar Ray Robinson or Leonard.
Floyd Mayweather vs Duran.
Duran vs Manny Pac
Ray Robinson beats Ray Leonard by UD
Roy Jones beats Ray Robinson by UD
Floyd beats Duran by UD
Duran KO's Manny
Roy could potentially stop Ray Robinson because he carried his power up to light heavyweight. Robinson did carry his power to light heavy but he didn't finish the fight because of how hot it was but Roy rocked Ruiz and staggered him.
@slipping into darkness bruh, I'm going to forgive you for that lol. Duran was already a legend before he fought sugar ray the first time. He was 55-1 going into the first Ray fight and he won and beat an undefeated ray Leonard. His only loss he avenged by KO. He moved up to middle weight and loss a close fight with MARVIN HAGLER. He then moved up to super middle and outboxed Iran Barkley who KO'd Tommy Hearns. He carried his power all the way up to super middle and was originally a light weight. Mammy can't deal with counter punches. His career shows it. Marquez is clearly his biggest obstacle and nemesis. Duran is 10x better than Marquez and a WAYYYY better boxer and counter puncher and hits WAYYYYYYYY harder. Marquez wouldn't touch a undefeated prime Ray Leonard.... But he did touch Manny, and it knocked him out. Duran is on another level. He will hit Manny and he will knock him out. This is a guy not even Marvin Hagler wanted to exchange with.
@slipping into darkness You really don't know much about boxing do you? There's a reason why Roach said he has Duran KOing Pac late in a fantasy fight at 135Lbs. At 21 years of age, Duran was already much more advanced than Juan Manuel Marquez - you know? The guy that gave Pac problems throughout his whole career.
@@RunningWild. If Duran vs. Floyd is at 135Lbs, Duran beats Floyd by UD. If it's at 147Lbs (specifically the Duran version after the 1st Leonard fight)...Floyd outboxes Duran and wins UD.
But at Lightweight, Duran was a juggernaut - and there's nothing Floyd would have been able to do (I mean a prime Floyd struggled versus Castillo at 135Lbs and struggled vs a past-prime DeLaHoya at 154Lbs). A 135Lb Duran was so far beyond Castillo and DeLaHoya in terms of skills, defensive tech, ferocity, and sudden power you can't even see him. There's a reason he's ranked above Leonard, Hagler, and Hearns on the ATG P4P list.
Great production, content, interviewer Ken Rideout, but most of all, great reminiscences by Teddy Atlas. I was IBHoF historian Hank Kaplan's pal (1919-2007), & Teddy carries on with tremendous historical solemnity!! An amazing episode 33. Teddy "Yogi Berras" all the time, such espresso (lol), but I especially enjoy "genuflect" in Teddy's lexicon. Mahalo (thanks)!!!
boxing genius = teddy atlas, love this podcast
The weaknesses of Tyson are observed and notable. But at his best in my opinion his physical attributes and his focus would have overcome Foreman, Frazier, Liston, Marciano, and Joe Louis and Ali.
Not a chance. Mike never beat anyone of their calibre.
Christopher Manno how? They didn’t overcome Holyfield who’s older than him???
Every time Tyson had to overcome in a situation he couldn’t. He was still in his physical peak when he fought Holyfield. Things got hard and he couldn’t adapt. When he was knocking out bums it was cute, but when he fought someone who didn’t back down and out skilled him, he couldn’t overcome.
i totally fucking agree with you ! ... 21 yr old mike tyson would have beat anyone in heavyweight history past or present !! .. if he didnt K.O them he would have won on point.. tyson was strong , relentless and would punish every opponent all through 12 rounds !! ..after he came out of prison he was tiring after 6 rounds ... MIKE TYSON MY FAV heavyweight of ALL TIME !
@@harwn999 he had destroyed his body by them .. 32yrs old and lots of cocaine , drinking and STDs ... if holyfield fought myke when he was 21-24yrs old he would have gotten beaten! .. plain and simple !
Great convo! My personal mythical match ups are Ali vs Holyfield, Tyson vs. Tua, Foreman vs. Bowe! Many more but these are the fights i would have loved to have witnessed with each fighter being in their prime.
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I definitely think Tyson could beat any boxer. Ps...look up Gene Kim
Difficult to predict those fights. Think Ali was so versatile that he would find a way to beat Holyfield but it would be very tough because the fast pace of Holyfield is like Fraziers but with more skill and we know how much trouble Ali had with Frazier. Tyson vs Tua is also really difficult to say because Tyson wins most on knockout but I don’t see that happen with Tua but on points it could go to Tyson if he stands the punishment. Foreman vs Bowe wow thats one. Would be a slugger match and i guess nobody wins toe to toe against prime Foreman. Only way to win young foreman is at range moving being smart but i guess Bowe would go straight at him
@@laserbeak3551 but also remember these would be prime v prime and Ali would've smoked joe frazier in the 60s
Tyson would smash Ali w in 2 rounds. Absolutely destroy him. Ali try the rope w dope lol mike would cave hjs ribs in. Wouldn't be a fight.
@@laserbeak3551 holyfield was a blown up cruiserweight..no real power. Tyson smashed Holmes in what 4 rounds and 6 months later Holmes took holy the distance. Holy had no chance vs pre prison Tyson
I've been watching boxing for over 70 years I saw them all. In all that time there has been one outstanding expert who knows absolutely everything there is to know about boxing. If he doesn't know it then it never existed. His precision of thought and definitive explanations of boxing is just beyond belief and incontestable'
24 years old getting into boxing, now I know what matters thank teddy
Good luck kid. Seriously, chasing dreams takes real balls
Teddy always forgets that he knew Tyson Much better then any of these other fighters. if he spent the time with Ali etc that he spent with Tyson he would see both sides of these fighters. the good and bad. their strengths and weaknesses . he doesn't seem to realize this.
I've always thought about Tyson what Atlas is saying.. Holyfield, Ali etc were tougher in the trenches..
Can't forget Joe Frazier :)
I get it to certain point cause they lost as well. They didn't will themselves to victory everytime. Sometimes they were in the trenches & didn't pull out. Tyson was beat for 8rds straight & still pulled off a ko against Douglas. The count was whatever but he still dug down deep & did it & the fight technically coulda been over. It didn't turn out that way but it's worth thinking bout & not many even consider that. Again just talking boxing is all
Lightup Darkness Frazier fought most of his career blind in one eye
Holyfield was on steroids , he 100% cheated.
@@thetruth72667 sure, but i dont think he did himself any favours by complaining about it afterwards.. but to be fair i think it was King putting him up to it..
I just saw Tyson Vs Liston on thumbnail and came rushin in
Liston had the wingspan of a 7ft man. That's why his jab probably seemed to reach unusually far 😂
Talking about Liston not getting his due, I'd be thrilled if Tyson ever got his from Teddy 😁
u people always brag on that why