1.Mike bullied relentlessly as a child 2.No father no guidance no Idol 3.Mother was a sex worker when he was a child left to fend for himself 4.Was Adopted by Cus his only father who died when he was 19. 5.Fell into Don kings clutches stole majority of his money 6.Was cheated on by his wife and love Robin Givens who also robbed alot of his money. 7. Got sent to prison for years for rape that most people believe people he didnt do and was wrongly convicted of Daughter died Came out of a major drug addiction. You say this mans not a fighter go and have a long walk man.
Teddy was there for every minute of it, you weren't - stfu Teddy knows what the fuck he's talking about. Mike quit against everyone that wasn't a tomato can.
Well a couple points: - if we are being factual wasn't he absent from Tyson's side once Cus died (19)? - then you have to believe that people don't change from when they were 19 That train of logic seems weak to me. Now for the idea that Tyson is 0-5 because they were the fights that Mike was tested. That seems odd because yes Tyson flattened every other person but that discounts those boxers. If the comeback is the only thing that matters
Your right 100 percent ,Tyson done well to make it to an adult.He had a horrific child hood.Kids were sodamised in the detention centre.Tyson learned to fight as a way to survive.Atlas is bitter and jealous Tyson a better man now than Atlas.Atlas had Tyson's upbringing he be in a psych hospital
Mike Tyson lost a child and still stands today as a man with integrity and peace in his heart. Don’t tell me he couldn’t overcome resistance or “fights.” The toughness it takes to grieve your own child is worse than every hard boxing match combined.
Different thing Altogether !!!!! My bset mate lost his daughter at 3 years old and he and his wife were devastated! Almost destroyed his marriage but was able to ACCEPT it and mourn and continue his life and marriage! My best wouldnt get in a fight unless he wa 50pounds heavier than the guy hahaha i boxed for a 15 years and my best mte would junp in ring with me to have alugh and i would bang him with body shot and my mate would roll around on the canvas and then say "thats it ive had enough" hahaha He is not a fight er my mate its not in him when he is hurt and loss and realises he cant win ! Tyson was strong when he was sure he was the superior fighter that say ! When he questioned this he lost it all ! Teddy is !00% on the ball
I lost my daughter a few years ago, and it was the hardest thing I ever went through. A day doesn't go by that I don't morn her death. Mike Tyson also lost a daughter, and he has carried himself with strength and dignity. The man can't even talk about his little girl without weeping. In my opinion, Iron Mike has the heart of a lion.❤
Point is even with 50 - 5 saying all 50 were no fights is disrespectful for all opponents as well. Tyson won so none of them challenged him. No one was able to make it a fight... Yeah sure. It is a fight when you loose and if you win an athletic showcase. Bullshit
So Mike grew up on the streets running from the mafia without a father, an unsupportive mother, was taken advantage of for him money by those closest to him, had a child pass away, and countless other things.... but he never had to dig deep? Give respect where it is due.
Teddy's assessment is thoughtful and straight forward...but an old Indian saying comes to mind, "Never judge a man unless you've walked a mile in his moccasins".
Teddy is a hater and Mike was a product of his environment and he was fucked up. But he is celebrated today and his one man show on Broadway was good therapy for him. Teddy every one loses a fight it builds character.
Hiding behind walls when he was a kid made him want to strive to reverse that. Holyfield and those other guys made him hide behind those same walls in his mind. His character was already set in stone.
I like Teddy’s logic, but I have to disagree. OUTSIDE the ring Mike has been tested over and over and is still walking tall. The adversity Mike has faced throughout his life would crush 99.99% of men
This is one of the many reasons that I will continue to watch JRE! Not only is Joe, a well educated man, among many different aspects, but he also shows why he got into this in the first place, with interviews like this! His capability to just sit back and listen and learn, is truly admiring!! I know more than a handful of people that would have interrupted on many occasions while Teddy was talking, Joe has the upmost respect to soak it in like a sponge! Bravo, Joe!
Tyson overcame addiction, the death of his child, no parents or family I'd say that was some of the hardest situations any man would face. He overcame I'd say
Mike is an inspiration! Everybody sees the fighter but what Mike went through in life would have certainly crushed most people a lot earlier - and he overcame it finding somewhat like peace within himself! This makes him an inspiration for me!
It fueled em. But teddy didnt say Tyson didn't overcame that situation. He understands people love Tyson and look at him as a demi god. He didn't say he wasn't great. He just pointed out the fact that Tyson couldn't beat anyone who wasn't intimated by him lol ala evander holyfield
Absolutely. He has evolved into one of the coolest fucking people I've ever seen in my life. Seriously. I've kinda followed him closely over the last few years and he is really quite a guy.
One of the finest monologues on yt. Certain things might not be "true", but it's clear Teddy believes in every word he says. Love to come back to this speech every now and then. Thanks Teddy
There are words to describe somebody like that. "Narcissist" and "compulsive liar" come to mind. Teddy's just bitter and butthurt and talking a lot of shit
Except its 100% bullshit, the part about Mike failing 5 times and winning 0. Because had he not lost at all he would have to say Mike was 0-0 and never been in a fight. And he has to apply that to literally every other boxer ever. If they never lost that means they failed when they were actually tested?? And if they never lost then they were never tested?? His logic makes no sense and contradicts itself so badly.
@@curtharakaly4620 💯 fr. Idk why people think this angry rant of his is so deep and philosophical. He's just still mad because teenage Mike did a teenage thing and hit on his neice. Now he's trying to take away Mike's acomplishments because he can't get over it already.
I understand what Teddy is trying to say, HOWEVER, he cannot deny that Mike has been through a hella lot in his life. THAT is why I have the utmost respect for Mike.
John Gluck no, I don’t respect THAT. Look at Mike’s OVERALL life u idiot. U realize where he came from? His influences when he was younger? His tormenting childhood? Evil people using him just for his money? Yet, after experiencing all this, he decides to make a serious change after his boxing career. Look at the man he is NOW. Get the fuck out of here. Pin pointing on one point of his life.
John Gluck Say whatever u want. In the end, your entitled to your own opinion. I don’t want to spend my time going back and forth with an ignorant person who has a complete negative mindset on an individual such as Mike Tyson, who is trying to better himself. Have a nice day.
Tyson is the Goat I think teddy has a point most of Tyson challengers who fought back they went all 12 rounds or either they beat Tyson if they feared Tyson He killed them if that thought they could beat Tyson they did
He's telling thay tyson never met someone who had the same or more talented or gifted then him like other boxers fought lewis fought evander ali fought fazer nd foreman even roy jones fought that british south paw who outboxed him
In the end Tyson became the true warriors he always preached about. The man struggles with addiction, his past and trying to find himself. I think he is fighting daily and winning and on the days he doesn’t, he gets up and keeps fighting.
@@storiesofintrigue1605 You do know she was 19? and Tyson was the second dude she claimed raped her. Not saying he is innocent but I am not going to completely dismiss him because of what one woman says. You would think others in the hotel would hear her screams if it was actually rape. Probably more like yes, but regretted it later.
What's insane. Hunger fist fights with high school kids. For 💰. They get beat these tough sons, go home & dad says" what happened to you" some young kid named Tyson. Dad " were does he live. Everywhere I guess homeless. Dad finds him, Does the wrong thing. Now Mike is 12, KICKED the crap out of this Boy's father! " true story from the mouth of the KO ARTIST" LOVE U MIKE. IM 😞 I did not get a chance to meet him. Walking Down main st Nantucket, MA 1981 my Brothers saw him photos taken. This is when Mike was very happy, from digging in Trash cans, fighting like a 🐕, to walking through Some of the most exclusive Realestate on the East Cost! " BIG SMILE ON THIS WARRIOR"
I'd love to hear Mike's reply on Teddy's analysis of him. It would be fascinating. I do respect Teddy's opinion on the matter and it was brilliantly explained.
Teddy great guy but took his money as well as his partner who had cancer . And dogging him as Mike is smarter then him studying philosophy. He dogs Mike he said 1-5cmon man punk ass
Tyson is the greatest his only downfall was the people he trusted and loved died around him. That was his adversity in life, and he didn't overcome it like Teddy is referring to
What Teddy is saying could hold true for the last part of Mike's career when he was only boxing for money and didn't have that hunger anymore. But life dealt him a bad hand man. From a boy who grew up on the streets and never knew any love from his parents to achieving something great in his career and being a good dad now. Mike Tyson has come a long way and he deserves all the credit for that.
Yeah but then life handed him a good hand. He was adopted by a man who had already trained 2 World Champion fighters and shared with Mike the structure and discipline principles that make a successful person. He became successful and turned on 2 out of the 3 people most responsible for HELPING him. Lets not pretend that Tyson did this on his own. 100% of the reason Tyson was who he was - His new environment. Without that help, the man is never heard of. People act like he made himself successful WITHOUT ANYONE ELSE, facing all sorts of adversity like eminem.
Mike achieved greatness, but he has a troubled soul , throughout his entire life he has been fighting his demons...the Cus Catskill environment helped him, but it never cured him of his inner problems.(he was fighting in school and touching girls even then,)..he recently beat up a guy on a plane for verbally pushing him to far....Mike is a good guy and we wish him the best.
I love Mike Tyson but I also have to agree with my man Teddy Atlas. He has the balls to say it. My father told me a very similar thing 25 years ago about Tyson and we all love Tyson regardless.
Teddy is wrong. Mike didn’t bite Evander to get out of the fight. He bit him because of the head butts and the repetitive low blows, and the referee doing absolutely nothing about it. It was frustration, not cowardice.
By your logic razor ruddock would have been justified in biting mikes ear after the 50 low blows that mike hit him with in both fights ! So you’re wrong, Mike bit the ear cuz he was mentally weak and couldn’t find a way to win so he got a stoppage on antics, Norton broke Ali’s jaw but Ali found a way. Hopkins was 42 fighting guys half his age but he found a way. Marciano had 1 eye shut , behind in points in the 2nd to last round BUT he found a way to defeat Walcott. Tyson never had that kind of character and didn’t feel compelled to develop it cuz he had sycophant yes-men and casual boxing fans like you in his corner telling him he was invincible.... while he was getting k.o’d 😂
If Cus would have lived just five more years and Kevin Rooney would have been in Mikes corner throughout his whole career Mike would have never been beaten. He was the best to ever step inside the ring. Hands down.
shangrila73eldorado He only said that to confirm he did the right thing. More recently, he of course stated the truth saying how he might’ve stayed focused and continued fighting at such a high level with Kevin Rooney
Daveyboy _ I guess buddy. I take it you’re disagreeing with me. That’s fine. Everyone has their own opinion. But there’s no denying that Tyson had unreal skill, power and speed that no one before or after him has even came close to matching. And he no doubt would have maybe never lost if Cus D’amato hadn’t passed so soon in his pro career and if Kevin Rooney had remained his trainer throughout his entire career. Don King destroyed the story of the greatest heavyweight to ever lace up a pair of gloves.
flyinglizards80 I’m sitting on a park bench, in Copley Sq in Boston one day, on my lunch break. I got my headphones on and AC/DC in my ears. I got a Boston Herald that I got at the CVS across the street and some Burger King. I’m just minding my own business. There’s a group of guys (4 or 5) from The Nation of Islam literally right behind me. So I turn down the music because I’m wondering what the hell they could be talking about. The conversation was about pigeons. I spun head around and there’s Mike Tyson telling these guys everything there is to know about pigeons. I remembered someone once showing him how he used to raise pigeons. This went on for minutes. The whole group of them starts to walk away. For some stupid reason, I don’t know why I say “Hey Mike thanks for the education, I come here every day on my lunch break and I’ve always wondered about the pigeons” (which was true there were thousands of them there) He turns and looks at me and I’m looking right into those eyes. My heart stopped, I’m thinking run, before I know it he’s rounded the park bench and was right in front of me and I got no place to go. He’s says calmly and politely says What’s your name”, so I answered (not in my best voice either). He says “You’re very lucky to have a place like this, it’s amazing”. Then stuck out his hand to shake mine. It was like shaking hands with someone that was wearing a catchers mitt. I said something like it was great to meet him. He walked away. I found out later he was in Boston for a mandatory psych evaluation after he bit Holyfield. Sorry for being long however there are 2 types of people in this world. Those that can teach and those that can’t. We can say a lot about Mike Tyson, I can safely say he can put on a clinic about everything you wanted to know about pigeons and do it well. I used to laugh when I heard him talk, since then I now just listen. Most of the time he’s actually saying some real good truths.
Teddy is spot on when it came to Mikes career as a boxer. Teddy wasn’t taking away from Mikes physical greatness as an athlete, but it takes more than having physical greatness to be a great champion. And Mike didn’t have the other part of what makes a great champion great, and that’s heart. What drove Mike was rage, not heart, rage only lasts so long. But I will say Mike has now become “that man” who has endured and overcome adversity not with rage but with heart. I admire Mike now more than I did watching him in his prime as a boxer. Mike now is a great champion in life! God bless him.
This man has the absolute most passion for his profession he has a ability to speak in a way that inspires you that's probably what made him a great trainer and coach
Corey Parker he was dumbfounded by how dumb this guy is... right in some points. Wrong in many others Tyson overcame and was more successful than this guy could ever dream of.
I believe Tyson knew he was weak mentally, thats why he strived so hard to be dominant physically. That’s overcoming obstacles. That’s the heart of a champion
@@jasonborotra4208 yeah most people don't have the strength to go there you go. Big and strong. Especially when you know something is wrong with you. Go ahead and try, conclude that there's something wrong about yourself, and then try to build a successful life from that takes a lot of effort
Mentally weak ? He was emotionally unstable because he never had a father, his friends were dying weekly .. jail .. abuse from his mom and friends etc he was a very smart bright kid.. as a matter of fact he was very clever mentally to choose the right path, and stick to the right people once he had a chance but he always went out and looked for a chance. He had an instinct to be in the right place at the right time .. I dong believe anybody who was dating naomi Campbell was mentally weak.. as a matter of fact I'f u Google attitudes of mentally strong people he had them all - works hard. Refuses to be a people pleaser. Know where their values come from. Self reflective. Willing to wait for results. Keep going when you fail, live in the present, feel happy for others, embrace a lone time, feel open to risks and opportunities.one thing he wants strong at is being the master of his emotions. But dude who is at the age of 20? I know I am 29 and I act like a monkey when something doesnt go my way. And only now started to learn how to controll my emotions. So I would say if those things are true, and these are the attributes of a strong person mentally Tyson is one of the best there ever were, along with Napoleon, stalin, Mandela etc. He really is from their clothes
@@sergeyzerkin8029 i dont believe he was mentally weak. go watch the fight between him and razor ruddock 2. that is not mental weakness. i agree with teddy in 90% of what he says. i just dont see it here. mike wasnt a very smart man back then but he sure wasnt mentally weak in a fight. he broke guys mentally. when razor ruddock stood up to him in the 2nd fight, he was there to kill and nothing more
Teddy is spot on here. Tyson admitted this himself, not directly tho. There’s a podcast where mike tyson speaks of muhammad ali and gets emotional. Ali is the prime example of a fighter overcoming adversity; the george foreman fight. In the podcast Tyson says: “that’s the part where he overshines me” with that referring to the fighter’s mentality he then continued saying “he’s willing to die in there, I’m not willing to die in there”. It’s a really touching moment, highly recommend to watch that podcast.
The best interview ever. Teddy talks from the heart 100%, fully concentrated, Joe is also awesome as well. They are on the same page 100%. This is gold ...
I don't think I've ever seen Joe stay silent for as long as he did in this video. He really let the guy talk as long as he wanted. I can't believe I'm witnessing this.
He does stay silent often relative to other podcast hosts. i like how he keeps the conversation casual but has the interviewer approach of staying quit so the guest can speak more
This is the interview that showed that Joe is the best podcaster/conversationalist out there. Another interviewer would've ruined it by interjecting and not letting Teddy finish his whole train of thought. Just a masterclass of communication.
@@warpathforever6071that crap is reality mike was fkd up definitely had harsh upbringing but still doesn't change the he was fkd up nd didn't had mental strength that boxers before him had like fazer, foreman or ali
He never said he didn't...he merely pointed out the fact that the best win on Tyson's record is probably his win over a 38 year old Larry Holmes who had been retired for 2 years after 2 consecutive losses to a light heavyweight, and was all but paid to take a dive.
@@brucesmith54 Best win......... Larry Holmes!!! Really?? I think you're forgetting the rest of the heavyweight division at the time. Tyson tore through it and became the heavyweight division.
@@brucesmith54 Well for some memory problems and dementia are growing concerns in todays society! lol Just of the top of my head...... Berbick, Thomas, Smith, Spinks, Bruno, Biggs, Williams. Didn't even have to mention Larry! All fully grown men. All considered exceptional boxers. All thought they could beat this 20 year old kid. I guess he played his part in making them "unforgettable" lol
By Teddy’s own logical he proved himself wrong...Mike wasn’t trying to overcome people that was easy. He was trying to overcome being that kid who hid in walls. And by that token Mike is Champ.
Maybe physically. But you don't know what goes on in his head. If you watch tysons podcast. Tyson always puts himself down and is ashamed of who he is and what hes done. It's funny everyone thinks highly of him but himself. He knows the things he's done that no one knows about. And he hates living with himself knowing who he truly is.
@@dannyisjuan4706 exactly, after Cus died Mike lost focus, got weaker mentally/emotionally/spiritually and that's why he lost. Physically, he was still a monster, but people weren't afraid anymore because he didn't have that warrior anymore or if he did it slacked.
I remember watching this 3 years ago as a new Yorker who grew up idolizing tyson studying all the available training footage all his fights and him being the reason i started boxing and now after learning more about tyson and also understanding the things he did as well as the circumstances of his career, teddy atlas isnt wrong in this, you dont have to agree, but hes not wrong
The idea of judging athletes on how they perform when it really counts isn’t wrong. But to boil mike’s career down and say he has 0 wins and that essentially he lost every fight that really mattered is completely ignorant. There’s no accurate way to look at any of tyson’s wins and say definitively that he had to dig deep or not. It’s completely subjective and in no way measurable. You don’t always know what’s going on in these fighter’s lives at the time they’re in the ring. I guarantee you there were wins in tyson’s career where he had to dig deep. And i also guarantee you some of those wins he made look incredibly easy.
I think if you look at Tyson and the man he's become today, it's clear to see that his whole life has been about fighting and overcoming adversity. I don't agree with Teddy's characterization of him at all.
@J W Why don't I agree? Please reread my original post. Also, if you know about their relationship you'd know they had beef in the past and that has obviously tainted TA's view of Tyson.
He's talking about overcoming ring adversity in the moment, in the ring. He was right. Mike couldn't fight back once he got hurt. Look Ali, Frazier, Foreman against Lyle- , against Jimmy Young, Foreman got off the canvas against Lyle. These guys kept fighting in the ring. Mike no. Mike didn't comeback after getting punched.
Obviously now Mike is different and has changed for the better, what Teddy is talking about is about the past. And lets be objective, I believe everything Teddy said, if you looked at old vids of Tyson you would probably agree. Now Mike has become a wonderful person. what Teddy is talking about has alot of wisdom for not just Tyson but for the everyone.
Maybe he’s right about Tyson, but the man is not being objective. He is bitter when it comes to Tyson ( I dont know their past). He’s basically talking about him being gifted and his failure as a fighter, stuff like that. Why would you do that? No matter of its true or not it’s kinda fuckedup to talk about a person like that
I actually think Teddy is spot on here, as Mikes big turn around as a human being came after his fighting career. Go and analyze Mikes losses, he just got frustrated and outworked in his losses when his ways didn't work. Of course he wasn't training and studying like he used to, but deep down I think he got scared and underperformed when the going got tough. He overcame that only after his active boxing career was over.
The MAN Mike is TODAY, in my mind he did overcome everything!!! And THAT was the BIGGEST fight which he's still fighting today. He's still a will always be the undisputed heavyweight champ we knew!!!
I always come back and listen to this clip and have two observations: 1). Teddy is speaking absolute truth here and gives a million dollars worth of insight on life. 2). Rogan is a master. Doesn’t cut Teddy off and let’s him go. There’s not another interviewer on the planet who would have been able to let someone talk without interjecting or sidetrack the conversation. BTW, I was not a fan of Tyson much until he changed course a few years ago. I’m his biggest supporter now and admire his turnaround.
He's in no position to disagree, so he shuts up. It's a skill we should all learn but it's hard. Joe Rogan is a fan, Teddy Atlas was his trainer. Tyson was never a warrior. Teddy knows warriors and he'd say if the guy was ready to go to war. He was never in one, because he disengaged every time he had the chance. If the other guy didn't go down quickly, he went down.
@@jmc7504 U think tyson wasnt roided, bro it was the fucking 80's and 90's my neighbour was Roided. Everyone was on Roids, even cyclists like Lance Armstrong
A rare and essential skill for a good interviewer. Make it about the guest, not yourself. Let them shine, or let them hang themselves. The instinct to shut up and let them talk is something that someone like Fallon is completely devoid of. Interesting perspective though.
Excellent point. Joe knew to let this particular guest just G-O. I am a longtime fan of Teddy Atlas. If you watch his podcast, his co-host knows to also sit back and let Teddy G-O. ....... Because he's good at it. He's interesting and has a literal wealth of knowledge to share.
What an amazing inspirational talk to do the right things in life. Look at yourself can you apply what he says to yourself and your life? Most people choose weakness.
Teddy Atlas is in error, Mike Tyson is 1-5. Teddy pulled in Mike's early life and implied it was a source of Mikes failures. But Teddy fails to chalk-up Mike's current history - Mike is a winner as he goes through life today, he handles himself well and reflects humbly on his past - Mike is winning the most important part of his life, that which he is living today. Thumbs up to a great person - Mike Tyson. by Slade Kitchens
Daren Kitchens I think Teddy was just talking about his boxing career. You are absolutely correct though about Tyson’s turn around. In life he is a champion.
Hold on...tyson grew up in the streets constantly bullied broke no parents or friends was arrested like 20 times and pretty much left for dead and within 7 years after meeting cus he was the undisputed unified heavy weight boxing champion of the world in the convos with the greats and the highest paid athlete in the world...if thats not over coming adversity then i dont know what is
Mike has lived a gruelling life, heartbreak after heartbreak he’s persevered and become a better man each time, I get what teddy means he gave into his recklessness. However the man has now mastered the art of war and the art of humbleness and philosophy, he fought the hardest fight against himself
Mike has realized hes only human just like the rest of us .. We are all heading to the same place .. I have much respect for him and I sure as hell wouldnt want to piss him off..
@black panther i know. If it was about my father, id describe his hard work ethic, unwavering morals and etc. Those same morals he taught me. To celebrate a rapist is disgusting. What if that was your mother, sister or niece? My guess is you dont care though because you are a weak man needs to believe your fake role model was as good as you think.
@@magshype Were you there when she got raped? Just to let you know that the same girl who acused him of raping her had a history of falsely acusing men of rape for money.
Youre missing the point, any time he had to fight IN THE RING and adversity reared its head, he couldnt do it, he overcame a lot, just not opponents who matched his skill and talent, because he was so used to running people over and his ego became comfortable in that, Atlas acknowledged him and then went to state his point
@@biscotti4017 - have U seen Tyson vs Don Ruddick or participated in martial sports?... ALL fast twitch athletes slow down after a round or 2... Doesn't mean they're not fighting cardiovascular purgatory
Great interview! This is why Joe Rogan is the most popular podcaster/interviewer in the world. Notice how the master Joe comes to the table with zero agenda and let's this guy speak his experiences with no interruptions. I just learned more about Mike Tyson in this short clip. than everything I've seen on him over the years. Joe, keep blowing away the competition.
The death of Cus was the turning point in Mike's boxing career and life. From that point on he just kept bad people around him with no positive guidance.
I agree. The deaths of Cus and then Jimmy Jacobs in '88 were turning points. Both men and especially Cus were the only father figures in Mike's life. It was like he lost a father twice. At any age that's rough but especially if you're in your early 20s. People that disagree have probably never experienced that. Once he left Kevin Rooney it was pretty much all downhill from there sadly. Tyson will always be my favorite boxer of all time.
Teddy is dead right though. I had a little league coach that told me the same thing. We won like 12 games, or whatever it was back then, with no losses one year. My coach told us, "we looked good but we didn't learn a damn thing about who we are!" As little kids, we had no idea at the time what he was talking about. Once I was in college and playing ball, it hit me like a ton of bricks, though. You learn nothing until you have to suffer, until you take a loss, get knocked down and have to get back up. That's when you learn what you're made of and who you really are, not from being victorious!
"Working for money teaches people the value of a dollar. Suffering teaches people humility and gives them empathy. Altruistic giving is one step on the long path to glory." -Bozo the Clown
I also understand teddy's logic it's super deep but overall mike tyson has proved himself to the sport of boxing that no matter how much truma and adversity he went through in his childhood he can overcome it and become the heavyweight champion of the world 🌎..and yes some of us have been through some kind of trauma in our childhoods or even as a grown but u have to be strong and keep going in order to be successful ..and that's what mike tyson did.
Joe Rogan is the greatest interviewer..... For actually knowing when to shut up and let the guest roll. Too many interviewers just want to hear their own voice.
@@KC.801 If Cus,Kevin Rooney,or Teddy Atlas was training Mike Tyson I know he doesn't lose to Lennox Lewis or Busta Douglas .I look at the way Tyson fought under those guys and I see a skilled boxer and not a one punch pony that he became under others.
I agree with what he saying mike was a physical specimen but he was not dead game...the term dead game comes from dog fighting meaning a dog that would fight to the death and never give up...fighting is not just throwing fist its spiritual u not really fighting until u meet resistance...he is talking about the spiritual aspect of fighting a person can be a great fighter without throwing a punch we all fight at some point in life that resistance is gonna come to us...
@@erickf5385 If you think he was guilty you do understand shit Mike invited a model to his room at 4am there was no Netflix back then. Like Mike said what were we going to watch a Disney movie? Shit
I get what Teddy is saying; but I dont think its totally fair.. Yes Tyson lost some key fights to Lewis, Holyfield.. But he was in quite a few competitive fights; where he had to dig a bit deeper to win.. His wins over Razor Ruddock, Tony Tucker and Francois Botha come to mind.
Naw, I think you missed his point. Teddy is saying that the Mike Tyson that grew up hiding in the streets never stopped hiding. Mike never learned how to overcome his character flaw. Mike never beat himself when he had a chance to grow past whatever was holding him back from becoming a better version of himself.
@@thedevilsadvocate3710 - thats fair enough i get that.. But Teddy was still equating that to Tyson's boxing career.. 0-5 in real fights?? C'mon thats unfair. Yes Tyson did not handle the upper echelon of champions, ie Lewis, Holyfield. Yes Tyson destroyed 35 or 40 guys who were shaking in their boots.. But there was another smaller group maybe 5 or 6 guys who gave Tyson a competitive fight. And Tyson did not get frustrated, did not foul out of the fight, he went on to win those fights where the guy was putting up a bit of a challenge. Some of his decent wins against decent fighters are not given enough credit IMO. Thats basically what I am saying.
Especially in Tucker and Tillis though, there was no real adversity for him to overcome, these were no wars. Frazier/Ali 3, Duran/Barkley, Gatti/Ward, Leonard/Hearn1, etc. etc. etc. These were fights where in each case the victor was in very deep waters and found a way out.
Atlas has a point, but Mike's real fights are with his demons outside the squared ring. And it's very inspiring to see how he transformed to the person he is today
He really has no point. The guy Atlas is a piece of shit. Tyson has been a fighter since birth 99.9% of people in his situation would be 6feet under by 20
@@philip230884 I dont think he is in reality. I think hes speaking the truth. Mike is still a conquerer. But he wasnt a real warrior plain & simple. When fighters werent intimidated by him he folded. The unfortunate events that occured in his youth Tyson even admits this, hes lived with a fearful victim mentality his whole life. It was through no choice of his own ofcourse.
My father was a writer for many years with Sports Illustrated. He first met Cus in the 1950’s and became very good friends with him. They talked all the time. Shortly after Cus first got Mike into the ring , Cus called my dad and said that he has a 13 year old kid who will end up being the youngest heavyweight of all time. Cus was 100 percent convinced. Cus also thought that Mike could end up being the greatest of all time but he said that there were too many variables to make that claim. Here is my view on what happened with Mike. He loved and worshipped Cus. And Mike also liked and respected greatly his manager, Jimmy Jacobs. Mike ended up losing Cus and Jimmy at a young age (21). Jimmy and Cus (especially Cus) could tell Mike what to do and he would do it. Without either one of them around, the limit to which Mike would listen to his trainers diminished over time. To a degree he became uncontrollable and unteachable and that became his downfall. That does not mean I don’t respect what Mike achieved. But I do think that if Cus had lived a longer life Mike would have achieved even more.
Absolutely Spot On,Tyson Said That Cus Was The 1st White Guy Who Didn’t Judge Him👊🏾💯🏅🏆🏅💯👊🏾Awesome That Your Dad Knew Cus,Bet He’s Got Some Great Story’s.
Just because Mike made most fights appear easy, doesn't mean he never overcame adversity. We don't know how many injuries he fought threw, we can't feel the shots. Only Mike knows when he overcame adversity
Dennis Moore Tyson fought a bunch of below average fighters in the 80s. When it comes to the best fighters of his generation like Holyfield and Lewis he lost. Once he knew he couldn’t knock em out he folded, like a bully getting punched back.
@@seandoughty767 exactly, Tyson beat journeymen on the way to the top. Most of those guys were beat before the first bell. Lewis and Holyfield were not intimidated by Tyson at all. Granted Tyson wasn't at his best when he fought the but I believe they both could've beat him in his prime. He certainly wasn't unbeatable.
What Teddy is saying here is pure Gems. Lets all of us who are tyson fans put emotion aside. I love tyson but Teddy speaks the truth and it has helped me as a person.
@@thewarlordscalling6537 he beat everyone that was intimidated by him before the fight.. the fighters that was not intimidated by tyson beat him.. thats what Teddy is saying here
I have always liked Mike Tyson and he has my respect. Whether I was playing his video game Mike Tysons Punch Out, or the Xcitement of watching him fight. It is what got me into boXing in the first place. And when I listen to Mike now He shows great wisdom. Mr. X
@@eastcoastshine2009 too many delusional tyson fanboys who don't like hearing the truth. You judge a fighter by his toughest opponents NOT his weakest. People wanking over young tyson who fought bum after bum. Then coming out with the usual crap thst he forgot how to box after prison ffs.
Fighting Fighting bums you say.. I like to see you in the ring with those bums in the eighties... Tyson Beat. And you're right prison does change you..
@@ricosuavereyes9786 am I claiming to be best boxer ever? No. Prison might change SOME people but it doesn't make you forget how to box so the fanboys yapping about it ruining his career and talking bollocks. Now can you tell me Mike tyson best 5 opponents? I ask every tyson fanboy this and they struggle to Awnser. Tyson is not a top 5 HW of all time. Every top opponent he fought beat him. Everytime he faced a challenge he lost.
@@groundtrader173 Yup america gang culture brought a lot of dishonor to fighting in the streets. In my country we have none of that crap, typically only 1v1's.
Realmente Mike Tyson ah sido probado muuuuchas muuuchas veces! Y se alejó de un Mundo de Violencia y Odio para superarse como Ser Humano. Este otro Hombre habla de que Mike Tyson se fué que no quiso pelear mas. Q huyó. Jaja no tiene idea. Mike peleó como los Mejores Guerreros. Batallas incontables. Y no solo a puño limpio. Batallas duras de la Vida Misma de lo mas Fuerte. Y hoy tenemos a Mike Sabio y Fuerte aún 💪. Yo entiendo de dejar el camino anterior para pasar a uno superior. Eso es Superar y Triunfar
Jack Frost don't be close minded Muay Thai or Thai boxing is a very entertaining sports with some of the best strikers in the world and some Thai boxers was champions in boxing themselves
I agree with Teddy and Michael Jai white said the same thing about Mike Tyson everytime he was met with resistance in the ring he would mentally quit if he couldn't knock you out quickly and you could see this in his body language when he was in the ring even if he won by decision like he did when fought Tony Tucker , Mike beat him by unanimous decision but you could see the frustration in Mike's face because he wouldn't go down and Mike really stop putting forward his best effort in those later rounds and I think I said this guy name wrong 😂 but I understand what Teddy is saying
TroystonB I actually see Tyson at the gym all the time and extremely nice guy to everyone, but if we are gonna speak about morons then we should also take a moment and mention a moron name troyston with a fuckface that I can bet money is still virgin. Keypad warrior
Ironically, Teddy doesn't realise that he was being tested as a man,with Mike the child and he failed. Mike needed Teddy greatly at that point of conflict between them, for guidance, stability and to be shown the right way to become, not just a great fighter, but a great man. I don't agree with what Mike did, but he was a child with emotional & behavioural issues.....that needed help......that help should of come from Teddy more than anyone else, because of how close Teddy was to Mike and seeing first hand the issues Mike needed mentoring through. What other reason would Cus have for getting rid of Teddy? Cus knew Mike needed help, not more conflict.
@@vodgod7229 Cus didnt kick him, Teddy left on his own because Cus was too defensive on Mike, which was against all his teachings about discipline. Which shows at the end of the day Teddy was right. Lack of discipline self destroyed Tyson.
@Jacqueline Sevilla You maybe don't understand what you're talking about. He seems alright now. Teddy is talking about Tyson when he was fighting. No real father, mother was a prostitute, spent time in juve for committing heinous crimes. Picked up by a boxing trainer who pushed him to an insane level physically and mentally for all his formative years. No life, no friends, no childhood, few life skills, just training and fighting against adults in the ring to fulfill an old man's dying dream. Then this new parent also died and he was left to the sharks and the whores; robbed by the people who got rich off his fights, accused and convicted of rape, labeled a rapist for ever. Had marriages that not only failed but with famous ex-wives who told the entire world how terrible Tyson was as a person. Despite sacrificing most of his life to boxing, still humbled repeatedly in the ring by underdog boxers. Gained a reputation as a cheater, a bully, a dirty fighter who could only win against weak and scared boxers, even known as a quitter who could dish it out but not take it. Went bankrupt less than a year after his last win in the ring. Would anyone actually be jealous of this life, let alone Teddy Atlas?
1.Mike bullied relentlessly as a child
2.No father no guidance no Idol
3.Mother was a sex worker when he was a child left to fend for himself
4.Was Adopted by Cus his only father who died when he was 19.
5.Fell into Don kings clutches stole majority of his money
6.Was cheated on by his wife and love Robin Givens who also robbed alot of his money.
7. Got sent to prison for years for rape that most people believe people he didnt do and was wrongly convicted of
Daughter died
Came out of a major drug addiction.
You say this mans not a fighter go and have a long walk man.
Teddy was there for every minute of it, you weren't - stfu Teddy knows what the fuck he's talking about. Mike quit against everyone that wasn't a tomato can.
Well a couple points:
- if we are being factual wasn't he absent from Tyson's side once Cus died (19)?
- then you have to believe that people don't change from when they were 19
That train of logic seems weak to me.
Now for the idea that Tyson is 0-5 because they were the fights that Mike was tested. That seems odd because yes Tyson flattened every other person but that discounts those boxers. If the comeback is the only thing that matters
@@JJehoich tyson beat razor ruddock. You buggin out
Your right 100 percent ,Tyson done well to make it to an adult.He had a horrific child hood.Kids were sodamised in the detention centre.Tyson learned to fight as a way to survive.Atlas is bitter and jealous Tyson a better man now than Atlas.Atlas had Tyson's upbringing he be in a psych hospital
@@hyped-up-charlie ..lol, so did Tommy Morrison.
Mike Tyson lost a child and still stands today as a man with integrity and peace in his heart. Don’t tell me he couldn’t overcome resistance or “fights.” The toughness it takes to grieve your own child is worse than every hard boxing match combined.
You nailed it bro!
He's a different man today.
Agreed 100%
Different thing Altogether !!!!! My bset mate lost his daughter at 3 years old and he and his wife were devastated! Almost destroyed his marriage but was able to ACCEPT it and mourn and continue his life and marriage! My best wouldnt get in a fight unless he wa 50pounds heavier than the guy hahaha i boxed for a 15 years and my best mte would junp in ring with me to have alugh and i would bang him with body shot and my mate would roll around on the canvas and then say "thats it ive had enough" hahaha He is not a fight er my mate its not in him when he is hurt and loss and realises he cant win ! Tyson was strong when he was sure he was the superior fighter that say ! When he questioned this he lost it all ! Teddy is !00% on the ball
He lost his edge when he left kevin rooney hater..you was a fighter right..what did you acheive
I lost my daughter a few years ago, and it was the hardest thing I ever went through. A day doesn't go by that I don't morn her death. Mike Tyson also lost a daughter, and he has carried himself with strength and dignity. The man can't even talk about his little girl without weeping. In my opinion, Iron Mike has the heart of a lion.❤
He said he did cocaine for a week straight and grabbed his gun when she died. Mike said, "I couldn't handle it at all."
I'm so sorry. I cannot fathom the pain. Sending hugs from another mother's heart.
@@ItsKrma00 thank you.❤️
Teddy Atlas was hating. The only time mike lost was when he gave up on boxing, he said it multiple times. Teddy should know that
Last 2 tyson said I'm only here to pay bills cause that snake king robbed him 200 million
Point is even with 50 - 5 saying all 50 were no fights is disrespectful for all opponents as well. Tyson won so none of them challenged him. No one was able to make it a fight...
Yeah sure. It is a fight when you loose and if you win an athletic showcase. Bullshit
Joe keeping quiet and letting Atlas speak is a talent most interviewers haven't mastered.
I think he just might be speechless...
nah he’s just real good friends with mike and teddy kinda of an opp 💀
Including Atlas himself..
@@ImmaSlapYoFaceMC Lol 👍
Joe Rogan just met his match a guy who energetic and optimistic 🔥
So Mike grew up on the streets running from the mafia without a father, an unsupportive mother, was taken advantage of for him money by those closest to him, had a child pass away, and countless other things.... but he never had to dig deep? Give respect where it is due.
IceKid T 👌🏽👌🏽
IceKid T and 3 years in prison possibly innocent of the crime he was accused of
Frank Vecera he was innocent. Teddy is and always will be a piece of shit.
Teddy is talking about being a fighter in the ring, not in life.
@@rattandroll2010 teddy hasnt been around mike since cus was alive. I dont think teddy knows much about mike after he parted ways.
Teddy referring to Mike as not great is an insult to his legacy
Not really do a search on what Mike was like when he was younger.
He is talking nothing but the truth and I am Mike's Fan
Teddy's assessment is thoughtful and straight forward...but an old Indian saying comes to mind, "Never judge a man unless you've walked a mile in his moccasins".
To go from hiding in the wall to heavyweight champ is winning to me.
T MO exactly
I believe he was referring to his fight record.
Yeah
Teddy is a hater and Mike was a product of his environment and he was fucked up. But he is celebrated today and his one man show on Broadway was good therapy for him. Teddy every one loses a fight it builds character.
Hiding behind walls when he was a kid made him want to strive to reverse that. Holyfield and those other guys made him hide behind those same walls in his mind. His character was already set in stone.
I like Teddy’s logic, but I have to disagree. OUTSIDE the ring Mike has been tested over and over and is still walking tall. The adversity Mike has faced throughout his life would crush 99.99% of men
Yup. Re-invented himself and stayed relevant.
yeah but if you listen to what he was saying, he was referring to his time as a boxer. Not post-career
Apom Taylor teddy said he equates life to a fight. We are talking about the same thing.
Apom Taylor Mike beat a lot of boxer who gave him trouble, for example; Razor Ruddock
@@notkingali1798 good point, but other greats beat much more than just one
This is one of the many reasons that I will continue to watch JRE! Not only is Joe, a well educated man, among many different aspects, but he also shows why he got into this in the first place, with interviews like this! His capability to just sit back and listen and learn, is truly admiring!! I know more than a handful of people that would have interrupted on many occasions while Teddy was talking, Joe has the upmost respect to soak it in like a sponge! Bravo, Joe!
I’ve watched this so many times to remind me how to handle set backs! Wise words
Tyson overcame addiction, the death of his child, no parents or family I'd say that was some of the hardest situations any man would face. He overcame I'd say
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Mike is an inspiration! Everybody sees the fighter but what Mike went through in life would have certainly crushed most people a lot earlier - and he overcame it finding somewhat like peace within himself! This makes him an inspiration for me!
And now he'll be back into the ring, healthier than ever (as mindset)
Copying my comment bitch but in a different format
It fueled em. But teddy didnt say Tyson didn't overcame that situation. He understands people love Tyson and look at him as a demi god. He didn't say he wasn't great. He just pointed out the fact that Tyson couldn't beat anyone who wasn't intimated by him lol ala evander holyfield
Tyson is still winning even now. Look at the man he has become. He is a winner outside the ring.
Acorn Tree he’s got a good wife too that actually loves him.
@@Insectoid_ yes, big part of it..
Absolutely. He has evolved into one of the coolest fucking people I've ever seen in my life. Seriously. I've kinda followed him closely over the last few years and he is really quite a guy.
He lost loads of times in the ring and is broke now. Hes a loser
Tejin obviously haven’t listened to his podcast and how happy he is with his life and his growth
One of the finest monologues on yt. Certain things might not be "true", but it's clear Teddy believes in every word he says. Love to come back to this speech every now and then. Thanks Teddy
Dude's a hater 😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 just give mike his dues stfu & move on 😕 dudes bitter af
@@greatestever7623you know you can be a fan of someone n not suck his cock all the time bro
There are words to describe somebody like that. "Narcissist" and "compulsive liar" come to mind. Teddy's just bitter and butthurt and talking a lot of shit
Except its 100% bullshit, the part about Mike failing 5 times and winning 0. Because had he not lost at all he would have to say Mike was 0-0 and never been in a fight. And he has to apply that to literally every other boxer ever. If they never lost that means they failed when they were actually tested?? And if they never lost then they were never tested?? His logic makes no sense and contradicts itself so badly.
@@curtharakaly4620 💯 fr. Idk why people think this angry rant of his is so deep and philosophical. He's just still mad because teenage Mike did a teenage thing and hit on his neice. Now he's trying to take away Mike's acomplishments because he can't get over it already.
He expended a lot of energy to tell us how small Mike Tyson is.
Exactly - sounds like envy... If he just stated his point and moved on, okay. BUT he kept going with a list of stuff in his past...
@@dallasteague2127 teddy is a hater, plain and simple
Looking at where Mike is in life today , he is the example of a overcomer.
An overcomer is a nice word
Teddys just still bitter as hell at Tyson even all these years later
He was talking specifically in the ring
He is so loveable. He went from scariest, baddest man on the planet to a man that resembles the an innocent child.
@fook me Never seen a child get in a fight before? 🤣
I understand what Teddy is trying to say, HOWEVER, he cannot deny that Mike has been through a hella lot in his life. THAT is why I have the utmost respect for Mike.
What about raping a girl? Do You respect that?
John Gluck no, I don’t respect THAT. Look at Mike’s OVERALL life u idiot. U realize where he came from? His influences when he was younger? His tormenting childhood? Evil people using him just for his money? Yet, after experiencing all this, he decides to make a serious change after his boxing career. Look at the man he is NOW. Get the fuck out of here. Pin pointing on one point of his life.
@@epikcyne Ra ping someone is not a minor offense. Screw Mike Tyson! Then he converts to Islam in prison. The most vile religion on the planet.
John Gluck Say whatever u want. In the end, your entitled to your own opinion. I don’t want to spend my time going back and forth with an ignorant person who has a complete negative mindset on an individual such as Mike Tyson, who is trying to better himself. Have a nice day.
@@epikcyne well I don't make heros out of rapists. Have a nice day yourself.
Mike was 5 foot 10 inches tall and he destroyed guys that towered him. To say he didn’t overcome anything is absurd
Its levels... hes speaking on the highest level. Its sad to say we as normal civilians dont kno the feeling
Tyson is the Goat I think teddy has a point most of Tyson challengers who fought back they went all 12 rounds or either they beat Tyson if they feared Tyson He killed them if that thought they could beat Tyson they did
He's telling thay tyson never met someone who had the same or more talented or gifted then him like other boxers fought lewis fought evander ali fought fazer nd foreman even roy jones fought that british south paw who outboxed him
wow beating 6'6 bum jose ribalta must be the most impressive win there is
@@mrmap4875 Joe Calzaghe
In the end Tyson became the true warriors he always preached about. The man struggles with addiction, his past and trying to find himself. I think he is fighting daily and winning and on the days he doesn’t, he gets up and keeps fighting.
I believe he won the most important fight in his life, and became the beautiful person he is today💪
@@storiesofintrigue1605 and ur still a massive schmuck
@@storiesofintrigue1605 false
Trump Care , he was convicted of having sex with a woman against her will. What kind of animal does that?
@@storiesofintrigue1605 You do know she was 19? and Tyson was the second dude she claimed raped her. Not saying he is innocent but I am not going to completely dismiss him because of what one woman says. You would think others in the hotel would hear her screams if it was actually rape. Probably more like yes, but regretted it later.
I believe in the tooth fairy and capitalism.
Tyson weighing 190lbs at 12 years old is INSANE
What's insane.
Hunger fist fights with high school kids. For 💰. They get beat these tough sons, go home & dad says" what happened to you" some young kid named Tyson. Dad
" were does he live. Everywhere I guess homeless. Dad finds him, Does the wrong thing. Now Mike is 12, KICKED the crap out of this Boy's father!
" true story from the mouth of the KO ARTIST" LOVE U MIKE. IM 😞 I did not get a chance to meet him. Walking Down main st Nantucket, MA 1981 my Brothers saw him photos taken. This is when Mike was very happy, from digging in Trash cans, fighting like a 🐕, to walking through Some of the most exclusive Realestate on the East Cost!
" BIG SMILE ON THIS WARRIOR"
@@craighoward6243 🤣🤣
He could've been a super bad ass linebacker or running back
Genetics most people don’t have
I'm gonna need to see a birth certificate 😅
I'd love to hear Mike's reply on Teddy's analysis of him. It would be fascinating. I do respect Teddy's opinion on the matter and it was brilliantly explained.
Teddy great guy but took his money as well as his partner who had cancer . And dogging him as Mike is smarter then him studying philosophy. He dogs Mike he said 1-5cmon man punk ass
Tyson is the greatest his only downfall was the people he trusted and loved died around him. That was his adversity in life, and he didn't overcome it like Teddy is referring to
His downfall is Don king
damn right well said
how tough was Tyson neighborhood if people pick on a 180 pound 11 year old.
He's from Brownsville Brooklyn. No one is safe
Fucking Oog the 16 foot cave troll kept an iron grip on the hood.
😂
Brownsville is a really rough place
Mike was a fat kid back then. When Teddy saw him it was after Bobby Stewart worked with him and got him in better shape.
What Teddy is saying could hold true for the last part of Mike's career when he was only boxing for money and didn't have that hunger anymore. But life dealt him a bad hand man. From a boy who grew up on the streets and never knew any love from his parents to achieving something great in his career and being a good dad now. Mike Tyson has come a long way and he deserves all the credit for that.
Wow so tyson is now a father to his parents? Only Mike could achieve that lol I know it's a typo for the record
Yeah but then life handed him a good hand. He was adopted by a man who had already trained 2 World Champion fighters and shared with Mike the structure and discipline principles that make a successful person. He became successful and turned on 2 out of the 3 people most responsible for HELPING him.
Lets not pretend that Tyson did this on his own. 100% of the reason Tyson was who he was - His new environment. Without that help, the man is never heard of.
People act like he made himself successful WITHOUT ANYONE ELSE, facing all sorts of adversity like eminem.
Mike achieved greatness, but he has a troubled soul , throughout his entire life he has been fighting his demons...the Cus Catskill environment helped him, but it never cured him of his inner problems.(he was fighting in school and touching girls even then,)..he recently beat up a guy on a plane for verbally pushing him to far....Mike is a good guy and we wish him the best.
@@user-uv3li8tk4r I've read this several times and I'm seriously having trouble seeing the typo. Lol please correct me if I'm wrong
@@roadrunner2550 isn't everyone helped in some form
I love Mike Tyson but I also have to agree with my man Teddy Atlas. He has the balls to say it. My father told me a very similar thing 25 years ago about Tyson and we all love Tyson regardless.
Teddy is wrong. Mike didn’t bite Evander to get out of the fight. He bit him because of the head butts and the repetitive low blows, and the referee doing absolutely nothing about it. It was frustration, not cowardice.
Agree
Agree 100%. Maybe not the smartest reaction, but understandable.
Teddy always been a hater
Teddy mad he can’t be Mike
By your logic razor ruddock would have been justified in biting mikes ear after the 50 low blows that mike hit him with in both fights ! So you’re wrong, Mike bit the ear cuz he was mentally weak and couldn’t find a way to win so he got a stoppage on antics, Norton broke Ali’s jaw but Ali found a way. Hopkins was 42 fighting guys half his age but he found a way. Marciano had 1 eye shut , behind in points in the 2nd to last round BUT he found a way to defeat Walcott. Tyson never had that kind of character and didn’t feel compelled to develop it cuz he had sycophant yes-men and casual boxing fans like you in his corner telling him he was invincible.... while he was getting k.o’d 😂
If Cus would have lived just five more years and Kevin Rooney would have been in Mikes corner throughout his whole career Mike would have never been beaten. He was the best to ever step inside the ring. Hands down.
tyson said atlas was a better trainer than rooney
shangrila73eldorado He only said that to confirm he did the right thing. More recently, he of course stated the truth saying how he might’ve stayed focused and continued fighting at such a high level with Kevin Rooney
If ...if's and buts were candies and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas
Daveyboy _ I guess buddy. I take it you’re disagreeing with me. That’s fine. Everyone has their own opinion. But there’s no denying that Tyson had unreal skill, power and speed that no one before or after him has even came close to matching. And he no doubt would have maybe never lost if Cus D’amato hadn’t passed so soon in his pro career and if Kevin Rooney had remained his trainer throughout his entire career. Don King destroyed the story of the greatest heavyweight to ever lace up a pair of gloves.
@@bassboomer1 You're right but the word ' IF '. is just an illusion, If the Queen had balls she'd be King !
Who fucking knew Iron Mike would be one of the most thought provoking guys to teach us men how to navigate life. I love and thank you Mike Tyson
No. He raped somebody. Who fuck would choose him as a remodel
flyinglizards80 I’m sitting on a park bench, in Copley Sq in Boston one day, on my lunch break. I got my headphones on and AC/DC in my ears. I got a Boston Herald that I got at the CVS across the street and some Burger King. I’m just minding my own business.
There’s a group of guys (4 or 5) from The Nation of Islam literally right behind me. So I turn down the music because I’m wondering what the hell they could be talking about.
The conversation was about pigeons. I spun head around and there’s Mike Tyson telling these guys everything there is to know about pigeons. I remembered someone once showing him how he used to raise pigeons.
This went on for minutes. The whole group of them starts to walk away. For some stupid reason, I don’t know why I say “Hey Mike thanks for the education, I come here every day on my lunch break and I’ve always wondered about the pigeons” (which was true there were thousands of them there)
He turns and looks at me and I’m looking right into those eyes. My heart stopped, I’m thinking run, before I know it he’s rounded the park bench and was right in front of me and I got no place to go.
He’s says calmly and politely says What’s your name”, so I answered (not in my best voice either). He says “You’re very lucky to have a place like this, it’s amazing”. Then stuck out his hand to shake mine.
It was like shaking hands with someone that was wearing a catchers mitt. I said something like it was great to meet him.
He walked away. I found out later he was in Boston for a mandatory psych evaluation after he bit Holyfield.
Sorry for being long however there are 2 types of people in this world. Those that can teach and those that can’t. We can say a lot about Mike Tyson, I can safely say he can put on a clinic about everything you wanted to know about pigeons and do it well. I used to laugh when I heard him talk, since then I now just listen. Most of the time he’s actually saying some real good truths.
Forever Mike Tyson..!!!
Teddy is spot on when it came to Mikes career as a boxer. Teddy wasn’t taking away from Mikes physical greatness as an athlete, but it takes more than having physical greatness to be a great champion. And Mike didn’t have the other part of what makes a great champion great, and that’s heart. What drove Mike was rage, not heart, rage only lasts so long. But I will say Mike has now become “that man” who has endured and overcome adversity not with rage but with heart. I admire Mike now more than I did watching him in his prime as a boxer. Mike now is a great champion in life! God bless him.
This 100%. Proof is in the progress
By his metric Ali would be 1 and 5 🙄
boxing is only a tiny fraction of Mikes like. He's a survivor, of course he has heart.
Honestly I’m not mad at this comment your right
❤❤❤
This man has the absolute most passion for his profession he has a ability to speak in a way that inspires you that's probably what made him a great trainer and coach
What a bum
I’ve never heard Rogan silent for so long
@Corey Parker Lmfao
Corey Parker he was dumbfounded by how dumb this guy is... right in some points. Wrong in many others Tyson overcame and was more successful than this guy could ever dream of.
Teddy is obviously smarter than Rogan. Rogan tends to listen to guests 30x smarter than him.
Rogan is a perfect podcaster, he knows when to chip in, when to just stay silent.
That's a first, LOL.
I believe Tyson knew he was weak mentally, thats why he strived so hard to be dominant physically. That’s overcoming obstacles. That’s the heart of a champion
Yeah, he build a giant ego with very low self-esteem.
@@jasonborotra4208 yeah most people don't have the strength to go there you go. Big and strong. Especially when you know something is wrong with you. Go ahead and try, conclude that there's something wrong about yourself, and then try to build a successful life from that takes a lot of effort
There’s a lot to be thought of in what u said
Mentally weak ? He was emotionally unstable because he never had a father, his friends were dying weekly .. jail .. abuse from his mom and friends etc he was a very smart bright kid.. as a matter of fact he was very clever mentally to choose the right path, and stick to the right people once he had a chance but he always went out and looked for a chance. He had an instinct to be in the right place at the right time .. I dong believe anybody who was dating naomi Campbell was mentally weak.. as a matter of fact I'f u Google attitudes of mentally strong people he had them all - works hard. Refuses to be a people pleaser. Know where their values come from. Self reflective. Willing to wait for results. Keep going when you fail, live in the present, feel happy for others, embrace a lone time, feel open to risks and opportunities.one thing he wants strong at is being the master of his emotions. But dude who is at the age of 20? I know I am 29 and I act like a monkey when something doesnt go my way. And only now started to learn how to controll my emotions. So I would say if those things are true, and these are the attributes of a strong person mentally Tyson is one of the best there ever were, along with Napoleon, stalin, Mandela etc. He really is from their clothes
@@sergeyzerkin8029 i dont believe he was mentally weak. go watch the fight between him and razor ruddock 2. that is not mental weakness. i agree with teddy in 90% of what he says. i just dont see it here. mike wasnt a very smart man back then but he sure wasnt mentally weak in a fight. he broke guys mentally. when razor ruddock stood up to him in the 2nd fight, he was there to kill and nothing more
Teddy is spot on here. Tyson admitted this himself, not directly tho. There’s a podcast where mike tyson speaks of muhammad ali and gets emotional. Ali is the prime example of a fighter overcoming adversity; the george foreman fight. In the podcast Tyson says: “that’s the part where he overshines me” with that referring to the fighter’s mentality he then continued saying “he’s willing to die in there, I’m not willing to die in there”. It’s a really touching moment, highly recommend to watch that podcast.
That’s the exact clip that came to my mind while I was hearing this! Thank you for bringing this is up 👍
The best interview ever. Teddy talks from the heart 100%, fully concentrated, Joe is also awesome as well. They are on the same page 100%. This is gold ...
They are definitely NOT on the same page… you must not have seen the DOZEN or more videos Joe put out about how he feels about Tyson
@@william-lloydgarrison And you must have COMPLETELY misunderstood my point here...
@@yunusemreatakanli9247that point was??
@@yunusemreatakanli9247he pretty much said tyson is a shit fighter and hasn't ever won a fight
This has to be the longest Rogan hasn’t said something it’s been like 10 min
He knew Atlas was a jealous prat.
Nicholas Chirchir wtf u talkin bout
@@ExphazedGames he was shocked by how Atlas can talk so much shite. I mean the guy pulled a gun to 15 year old Mike!
Nicholas Chirchir it was just weird cause joe never lets his guests go on a rant for that long
@@ExphazedGames why do you think so? I mean Joe questioned Lewis about meeting prime Tyson PERSONALLY
I don't think I've ever seen Joe stay silent for as long as he did in this video. He really let the guy talk as long as he wanted. I can't believe I'm witnessing this.
He is joe's commentary idol.
He does stay silent often relative to other podcast hosts. i like how he keeps the conversation casual but has the interviewer approach of staying quit so the guest can speak more
Yea he's improving I noticed it with Donald Cerrone
@@illuzeweb loved that cereone story about the cave diving
No doubt Teddy is fascinating and knows his shit to the tee but FUCK the guy can go off on a fucking tangent haha
This is the interview that showed that Joe is the best podcaster/conversationalist out there. Another interviewer would've ruined it by interjecting and not letting Teddy finish his whole train of thought. Just a masterclass of communication.
Bravo! Yes.
No. Joe was terrible. He didn't confront Teddy with is lies. He let him say the old crap that he always says.
@@warpathforever6071that crap is reality mike was fkd up definitely had harsh upbringing but still doesn't change the he was fkd up nd didn't had mental strength that boxers before him had like fazer, foreman or ali
As a lawyer I loved his analogy.
I understand teddy point, but it doesn't apply to mike, mike did overcome a lot in his life.
He never said he didn't...he merely pointed out the fact that the best win on Tyson's record is probably his win over a 38 year old Larry Holmes who had been retired for 2 years after 2 consecutive losses to a light heavyweight, and was all but paid to take a dive.
@@brucesmith54 Best win......... Larry Holmes!!! Really?? I think you're forgetting the rest of the heavyweight division at the time. Tyson tore through it and became the heavyweight division.
You mean the rest of the heavyweight division that was so "unforgettable" you couldn't even bring one to mind. I rest my case lol.
Yeah
@@brucesmith54 Well for some memory problems and dementia are growing concerns in todays society! lol Just of the top of my head...... Berbick, Thomas, Smith, Spinks, Bruno, Biggs, Williams. Didn't even have to mention Larry! All fully grown men. All considered exceptional boxers. All thought they could beat this 20 year old kid. I guess he played his part in making them "unforgettable" lol
By Teddy’s own logical he proved himself wrong...Mike wasn’t trying to overcome people that was easy. He was trying to overcome being that kid who hid in walls. And by that token Mike is Champ.
Maybe physically. But you don't know what goes on in his head. If you watch tysons podcast. Tyson always puts himself down and is ashamed of who he is and what hes done. It's funny everyone thinks highly of him but himself. He knows the things he's done that no one knows about. And he hates living with himself knowing who he truly is.
Teddy didn't prove himself wrong, the points he made were valid
@@dannyisjuan4706 exactly, after Cus died Mike lost focus, got weaker mentally/emotionally/spiritually and that's why he lost. Physically, he was still a monster, but people weren't afraid anymore because he didn't have that warrior anymore or if he did it slacked.
Teddy is a fool
Nah
Agree with him or not. This man deserves respect. You can hear his sincerity and reverence for the sport of boxing.
I remember watching this 3 years ago as a new Yorker who grew up idolizing tyson studying all the available training footage all his fights and him being the reason i started boxing and now after learning more about tyson and also understanding the things he did as well as the circumstances of his career, teddy atlas isnt wrong in this, you dont have to agree, but hes not wrong
The idea of judging athletes on how they perform when it really counts isn’t wrong. But to boil mike’s career down and say he has 0 wins and that essentially he lost every fight that really mattered is completely ignorant. There’s no accurate way to look at any of tyson’s wins and say definitively that he had to dig deep or not. It’s completely subjective and in no way measurable. You don’t always know what’s going on in these fighter’s lives at the time they’re in the ring. I guarantee you there were wins in tyson’s career where he had to dig deep. And i also guarantee you some of those wins he made look incredibly easy.
I think if you look at Tyson and the man he's become today, it's clear to see that his whole life has been about fighting and overcoming adversity. I don't agree with Teddy's characterization of him at all.
@J W Why don't I agree? Please reread my original post. Also, if you know about their relationship you'd know they had beef in the past and that has obviously tainted TA's view of Tyson.
He's talking about overcoming ring adversity in the moment, in the ring. He was right. Mike couldn't fight back once he got hurt. Look Ali, Frazier, Foreman against Lyle- , against Jimmy Young, Foreman got off the canvas against Lyle. These guys kept fighting in the ring. Mike no. Mike didn't comeback after getting punched.
Obviously now Mike is different and has changed for the better, what Teddy is talking about is about the past. And lets be objective, I believe everything Teddy said, if you looked at old vids of Tyson you would probably agree. Now Mike has become a wonderful person. what Teddy is talking about has alot of wisdom for not just Tyson but for the everyone.
Maybe he’s right about Tyson, but the man is not being objective. He is bitter when it comes to Tyson ( I dont know their past). He’s basically talking about him being gifted and his failure as a fighter, stuff like that. Why would you do that? No matter of its true or not it’s kinda fuckedup to talk about a person like that
I actually think Teddy is spot on here, as Mikes big turn around as a human being came after his fighting career. Go and analyze Mikes losses, he just got frustrated and outworked in his losses when his ways didn't work. Of course he wasn't training and studying like he used to, but deep down I think he got scared and underperformed when the going got tough. He overcame that only after his active boxing career was over.
The MAN Mike is TODAY, in my mind he did overcome everything!!! And THAT was the BIGGEST fight which he's still fighting today. He's still a will always be the undisputed heavyweight champ we knew!!!
This guy helped Mike more than anyone will ever know. As a fighter! He made Tyson feel intelligent. And that carried him into the person he his today.
I always come back and listen to this clip and have two observations:
1). Teddy is speaking absolute truth here and gives a million dollars worth of insight on life.
2). Rogan is a master. Doesn’t cut Teddy off and let’s him go. There’s not another interviewer on the planet who would have been able to let someone talk without interjecting or sidetrack the conversation.
BTW, I was not a fan of Tyson much until he changed course a few years ago. I’m his biggest supporter now and admire his turnaround.
In other words..
Mike Tyson's career was scripted
Open ur eyes people
Ur a bum lol
Props to Rogan for staying quiet and letting him finish his point, even though I'm sure Joe disagrees
I noticed that too. Rogan said nothing from 1:50 to 14:00! Mad respect for Teddy, but I disagree with him.
He's in no position to disagree, so he shuts up. It's a skill we should all learn but it's hard. Joe Rogan is a fan, Teddy Atlas was his trainer. Tyson was never a warrior. Teddy knows warriors and he'd say if the guy was ready to go to war. He was never in one, because he disengaged every time he had the chance. If the other guy didn't go down quickly, he went down.
@@jordanchiaruttiniREALTOR im thinking holyfield was roided to the gills vs tyson
@@jmc7504 U think tyson wasnt roided, bro it was the fucking 80's and 90's my neighbour was Roided. Everyone was on Roids, even cyclists like Lance Armstrong
A rare and essential skill for a good interviewer.
Make it about the guest, not yourself.
Let them shine, or let them hang themselves.
The instinct to shut up and let them talk is something that someone like Fallon is completely devoid of.
Interesting perspective though.
Totally forgot this was a Joe Rogan podcast until the camera panned back to him xD Excellent job Joe!!
yep. sometimes you just got to sit back and shut up. that was an excelent interview.
Excellent point. Joe knew to let this particular guest just G-O.
I am a longtime fan of Teddy Atlas. If you watch his podcast, his co-host knows to also sit back and let Teddy G-O.
....... Because he's good at it. He's interesting and has a literal wealth of knowledge to share.
Did you read the title 💀💀
Teddy is spot on with his analysis I feel 🤔I have seen this one a few times...Great interview.👍
The curtin gives it away
What an amazing inspirational talk to do the right things in life. Look at yourself can you apply what he says to yourself and your life? Most people choose weakness.
Teddy Atlas is in error, Mike Tyson is 1-5. Teddy pulled in Mike's early life and implied it was a source of Mikes failures. But Teddy fails to chalk-up Mike's current history - Mike is a winner as he goes through life today, he handles himself well and reflects humbly on his past - Mike is winning the most important part of his life, that which he is living today. Thumbs up to a great person - Mike Tyson. by Slade Kitchens
yes, well said.
agreed, well said
Cus is Qui-Gon, Teddy is Obi-Wan, and Tyson is Anakin.
Respect
Daren Kitchens I think Teddy was just talking about his boxing career. You are absolutely correct though about Tyson’s turn around. In life he is a champion.
Hold on...tyson grew up in the streets constantly bullied broke no parents or friends was arrested like 20 times and pretty much left for dead and within 7 years after meeting cus he was the undisputed unified heavy weight boxing champion of the world in the convos with the greats and the highest paid athlete in the world...if thats not over coming adversity then i dont know what is
But he never really overcame adversity in the ring
His point is that if he faced an oponent that was alsow a great Talend he fell short
He also has a mental illness being bipolar. People forget that. I love mike always have always will.
Aylin Yilmaz that doesn’t excuse anything
OKG2000 legends
"He was as strong a guy you're ever going to see, but he was as weak as a person as you're ever going to find". That's some HEAVY ASS shit!!!!!!
Mike has lived a gruelling life, heartbreak after heartbreak he’s persevered and become a better man each time, I get what teddy means he gave into his recklessness. However the man has now mastered the art of war and the art of humbleness and philosophy, he fought the hardest fight against himself
There TWO Mike Tysons the one younger then 24 and the one older than 24 TWO DIFFERENT Figthers Period. Atlas leaves that part out.
Mike has realized hes only human just like the rest of us .. We are all heading to the same place .. I have much respect for him and I sure as hell wouldnt want to piss him off..
We all go through shit but no excuses Teddy is strictly talking about mike in the ring period
Why aren't you all listening? He's referring to what happened in the boxing ring against his opponents who he won and lost to.
Tyson's whole life has been fight. You should be honored to have worked with him.....
And raping
You missed the point of what he is saying. You’ll prob never get it tbh
@black panther i know. If it was about my father, id describe his hard work ethic, unwavering morals and etc. Those same morals he taught me. To celebrate a rapist is disgusting. What if that was your mother, sister or niece? My guess is you dont care though because you are a weak man needs to believe your fake role model was as good as you think.
born free I wasn’t there I didn’t see him rape anyone
I taught Mike everything he knows Inside the Ring!
Mike's whole life was a fight.... also it takes heart to get His skill
Yes it does, great point!
im sure raping a woman was a fight too, right?
@@magshype Were you there when she got raped?
Just to let you know that the same girl who acused him of raping her had a history of falsely acusing men of rape for money.
Youre missing the point, any time he had to fight IN THE RING and adversity reared its head, he couldnt do it, he overcame a lot, just not opponents who matched his skill and talent, because he was so used to running people over and his ego became comfortable in that, Atlas acknowledged him and then went to state his point
@@biscotti4017 - have U seen Tyson vs Don Ruddick or participated in martial sports?...
ALL fast twitch athletes slow down after a round or 2...
Doesn't mean they're not fighting cardiovascular purgatory
Great interview! This is why Joe Rogan is the most popular podcaster/interviewer in the world. Notice how the master Joe comes to the table with zero agenda and let's this guy speak his experiences with no interruptions. I just learned more about Mike Tyson in this short clip. than everything I've seen on him over the years. Joe, keep blowing away the competition.
Just the Best. So True with all of Life’s Challenges
Much respect for Joe for letting Teddy say his piece. Most interviews are packed with interruptions.
Interruptions with zero scepticism......
Chris Matthews and Larry King come to mind.
Joe fell asleep 💤...8:40
Chris Mathews is the worst interviewer. He interrupts every guest. I don't like him
Noticed that right away. Great interview.
The death of Cus was the turning point in Mike's boxing career and life. From that point on he just kept bad people around him with no positive guidance.
Yep.
No doubt for sure
His mentor like his father
hankskiAR15 fact.
I agree. The deaths of Cus and then Jimmy Jacobs in '88 were turning points. Both men and especially Cus were the only father figures in Mike's life. It was like he lost a father twice. At any age that's rough but especially if you're in your early 20s. People that disagree have probably never experienced that. Once he left Kevin Rooney it was pretty much all downhill from there sadly. Tyson will always be my favorite boxer of all time.
Teddy is dead right though. I had a little league coach that told me the same thing. We won like 12 games, or whatever it was back then, with no losses one year. My coach told us, "we looked good but we didn't learn a damn thing about who we are!" As little kids, we had no idea at the time what he was talking about. Once I was in college and playing ball, it hit me like a ton of bricks, though. You learn nothing until you have to suffer, until you take a loss, get knocked down and have to get back up. That's when you learn what you're made of and who you really are, not from being victorious!
"Working for money teaches people the value of a dollar. Suffering teaches people humility and gives them empathy. Altruistic giving is one step on the long path to glory." -Bozo the Clown
I also understand teddy's logic it's super deep but overall mike tyson has proved himself to the sport of boxing that no matter how much truma and adversity he went through in his childhood he can overcome it and become the heavyweight champion of the world 🌎..and yes some of us have been through some kind of trauma in our childhoods or even as a grown but u have to be strong and keep going in order to be successful ..and that's what mike tyson did.
That's doesn't apply to someone who has already lost it all at a young age no the difference but the saying is true
Soon as you brought up your little game the comparison ended 😅
Sorry this lesson went over your head...there's always next time!@@Trill_kay215
Joe Rogan is the greatest interviewer..... For actually knowing when to shut up and let the guest roll. Too many interviewers just want to hear their own voice.
He has lots of experience. Youd be just as good if you had that as well
Wow only if the media would report stories with that much integrity so much respect for teddy Atlas
i cant stand Howard Stern either !!
@@brianpinion5844 Either? Who was the first you couldn't stand?
used to be really annoying at that
"When your not that guy..you have a great talent in recognizing when somebody is" Wise words!!
Most underrated comment
Mike was that guy tho
@@KC.801 If Cus,Kevin Rooney,or Teddy Atlas was training Mike Tyson I know he doesn't lose to Lennox Lewis or Busta Douglas .I look at the way Tyson fought under those guys and I see a skilled boxer and not a one punch pony that he became under others.
I agree with what he saying mike was a physical specimen but he was not dead game...the term dead game comes from dog fighting meaning a dog that would fight to the death and never give up...fighting is not just throwing fist its spiritual u not really fighting until u meet resistance...he is talking about the spiritual aspect of fighting a person can be a great fighter without throwing a punch we all fight at some point in life that resistance is gonna come to us...
Man that makes no sense 😂😂😂
Sour grapes- lets see ted in mike’s shoes
One of the greatest interviews ever!
If Mike Tyson walked in, Teddy Atlas would be silent like Joe Rogan
@@chrisdeanjames2898 he was a teen though. why are you trolling?
Anybody would hide from Tyson. If you're smart.
Nah man mike walked to teddy and apologized for being a rapist .. learn what happened fucko
@Khabib cherrypicking Weight bully you need to see the video of Tyson apoligyzing to Atlas
@@erickf5385 If you think he was guilty you do understand shit Mike invited a model to his room at 4am there was no Netflix back then. Like Mike said what were we going to watch a Disney movie? Shit
I get what Teddy is saying; but I dont think its totally fair.. Yes Tyson lost some key fights to Lewis, Holyfield.. But he was in quite a few competitive fights; where he had to dig a bit deeper to win.. His wins over Razor Ruddock, Tony Tucker and Francois Botha come to mind.
Yeah I remember Tucker giving Tyson a run for his money. You're correct!
But he was always on top in those fights, Tucker landed one decent shot and the others were stubborn but Tyson was always in control.
Thank you Teddy!
Naw, I think you missed his point. Teddy is saying that the Mike Tyson that grew up hiding in the streets never stopped hiding. Mike never learned how to overcome his character flaw. Mike never beat himself when he had a chance to grow past whatever was holding him back from becoming a better version of himself.
@@thedevilsadvocate3710 - thats fair enough i get that.. But Teddy was still equating that to Tyson's boxing career.. 0-5 in real fights?? C'mon thats unfair. Yes Tyson did not handle the upper echelon of champions, ie Lewis, Holyfield. Yes Tyson destroyed 35 or 40 guys who were shaking in their boots.. But there was another smaller group maybe 5 or 6 guys who gave Tyson a competitive fight. And Tyson did not get frustrated, did not foul out of the fight, he went on to win those fights where the guy was putting up a bit of a challenge. Some of his decent wins against decent fighters are not given enough credit IMO. Thats basically what I am saying.
You no crap about someone until they are tested--- Brilliant point!!
Razor Ruddick 1 & 2 were both FIGHTS. Tony Tucker put up a hell of a fight. Quick Tillis put up a hell of a fight. Sorry Teddy
Especially in Tucker and Tillis though, there was no real adversity for him to overcome, these were no wars. Frazier/Ali 3, Duran/Barkley, Gatti/Ward, Leonard/Hearn1, etc. etc. etc. These were fights where in each case the victor was in very deep waters and found a way out.
Tyson definitely had the warrior spirit in him. Cus wouldn't have chosen him otherwise.
I agree and and teddy never fought in the pros so how can you say he never fought if you only fought amateur
Atlas has a point, but Mike's real fights are with his demons outside the squared ring. And it's very inspiring to see how he transformed to the person he is today
Yes.
@@the1knifepro169 yeah because "rings" are usually triangles right!
He really has no point. The guy Atlas is a piece of shit. Tyson has been a fighter since birth 99.9% of people in his situation would be 6feet under by 20
Atlas is salty....
@@philip230884 I dont think he is in reality. I think hes speaking the truth. Mike is still a conquerer. But he wasnt a real warrior plain & simple. When fighters werent intimidated by him he folded. The unfortunate events that occured in his youth Tyson even admits this, hes lived with a fearful victim mentality his whole life. It was through no choice of his own ofcourse.
My father was a writer for many years with Sports Illustrated. He first met Cus in the 1950’s and became very good friends with him. They talked all the time. Shortly after Cus first got Mike into the ring , Cus called my dad and said that he has a 13 year old kid who will end up being the youngest heavyweight of all time. Cus was 100 percent convinced. Cus also thought that Mike could end up being the greatest of all time but he said that there were too many variables to make that claim.
Here is my view on what happened with Mike. He loved and worshipped Cus. And Mike also liked and respected greatly his manager, Jimmy Jacobs. Mike ended up losing Cus and Jimmy at a young age (21). Jimmy and Cus (especially Cus) could tell Mike what to do and he would do it. Without either one of them around, the limit to which Mike would listen to his trainers diminished over time. To a degree he became uncontrollable and unteachable and that became his downfall. That does not mean I don’t respect what Mike achieved. But I do think that if Cus had lived a longer life Mike would have achieved even more.
Very Very well said. I agree with your take 100%
AGREE 100%%%. Cus kept Mike mentally focused and that's a hard task to do especially with everything he experienced
Also add in bipolar disorder, and Mike had a ton to overcome.
Good point
Absolutely Spot On,Tyson Said That Cus Was The 1st White Guy Who Didn’t Judge Him👊🏾💯🏅🏆🏅💯👊🏾Awesome That Your Dad Knew Cus,Bet He’s Got Some Great Story’s.
Just because Mike made most fights appear easy, doesn't mean he never overcame adversity. We don't know how many injuries he fought threw, we can't feel the shots. Only Mike knows when he overcame adversity
someone with a brain several fighters he beat that were champions shit some undefeated guess they bums too
It's so true what he said about Tyson. No one understood him better.
When is mike coming on podcast, Joe DAMN IT! COME ON MAN....
Im saying shit. Hes gottah get more big dogs in there
This Thursday
Tyson was the only person that could beat Tyson. He was unbeatable in the late 80s.
Dennis Moore Tyson fought a bunch of below average fighters in the 80s. When it comes to the best fighters of his generation like Holyfield and Lewis he lost. Once he knew he couldn’t knock em out he folded, like a bully getting punched back.
@@seandoughty767 exactly, Tyson beat journeymen on the way to the top. Most of those guys were beat before the first bell. Lewis and Holyfield were not intimidated by Tyson at all. Granted Tyson wasn't at his best when he fought the but I believe they both could've beat him in his prime. He certainly wasn't unbeatable.
Dennis Moore There was no real competition for him...and when he did fight great fighters like Holyfield he got beat...badly!
@@seandoughty767 Holyfield was the greatest fighter of that generation...period!
There is no such thing as un beatable. Every one is human
Bruh Teddy will never let that shit about his wife go.
What Teddy is saying here is pure Gems. Lets all of us who are tyson fans put emotion aside. I love tyson but Teddy speaks the truth and it has helped me as a person.
Tyson was ONE OF THE GREATEST he overcome a lot of things in this life. He is a winner
he was The Champ !
Robert Alegria is the champ
He was one of the best to watch. He was a deeply flawed human being though. Like a lot of us.
He overcame a of fighters in the ring 2.u can't say he is not a fighter coz he lost 2 Holyfield.that's crazy.
@@thewarlordscalling6537 he beat everyone that was intimidated by him before the fight.. the fighters that was not intimidated by tyson beat him.. thats what Teddy is saying here
People forget Mike Tyson was always the smaller guy
Always gave up weight and reach and height. Then he got older and that 217 wasn't all muscle anymore anyway
Fact!
Shazamm the iPad Producer so
@@Boss2164 that means hes been beating the shit out of bigger dudes that speaks volumes but if yo ass cant see it "so"
ALWAYS!!!! No respect left for Atlas for this bullshit
I always thought it was his vulnerability and fear that made Tyson terrifying. Kudos to Rogan for not interrupting.
I have always liked Mike Tyson and he has my respect. Whether I was playing his video game Mike Tysons Punch Out, or the Xcitement of watching him fight. It is what got me into boXing in the first place. And when I listen to Mike now He shows great wisdom. Mr. X
JOE YOU NEED TO GET MIKE ON IMMEDIATLY BRO!!
Definitely
Teddy needs to tell Tyson stories to stay relevant. Tyson wouldn’t react to Teddy at all or even mention him in a interview. No need to
@@eastcoastshine2009 too many delusional tyson fanboys who don't like hearing the truth. You judge a fighter by his toughest opponents NOT his weakest. People wanking over young tyson who fought bum after bum. Then coming out with the usual crap thst he forgot how to box after prison ffs.
Fighting Fighting bums you say.. I like to see you in the ring with those bums in the eighties... Tyson Beat. And you're right prison does change you..
@@ricosuavereyes9786 am I claiming to be best boxer ever? No. Prison might change SOME people but it doesn't make you forget how to box so the fanboys yapping about it ruining his career and talking bollocks. Now can you tell me Mike tyson best 5 opponents? I ask every tyson fanboy this and they struggle to Awnser. Tyson is not a top 5 HW of all time. Every top opponent he fought beat him. Everytime he faced a challenge he lost.
When your 12 and you have 10 street thugs after you, you ain't hiding?
America is different place (Gang Culture). Be tough guy front of mob, gangs = death at wish.
@@groundtrader173 Yup america gang culture brought a lot of dishonor to fighting in the streets. In my country we have none of that crap, typically only 1v1's.
@@apomtaylor8054 which country you from?
@@mrmap4875 new zealand
@@apomtaylor8054 isn't new zeland also filled with wanna be gangsters?
Teddy Atlas is such a smart man, props to Joe for letting him speak because this is straight genius.
Realmente Mike Tyson ah sido probado muuuuchas muuuchas veces!
Y se alejó de un Mundo de Violencia y Odio para superarse como Ser Humano. Este otro Hombre habla de que Mike Tyson se fué que no quiso pelear mas. Q huyó. Jaja no tiene idea. Mike peleó como los Mejores Guerreros. Batallas incontables. Y no solo a puño limpio. Batallas duras de la Vida Misma de lo mas Fuerte. Y hoy tenemos a Mike Sabio y Fuerte aún 💪. Yo entiendo de dejar el camino anterior para pasar a uno superior. Eso es Superar y Triunfar
How has Mike Tyson not been on JRE yet? He even has his own podcast.
Eventually he'll be on, he might be on sooner rather than later after hearing what Teddy Atlas said about him.
He's terrible to interview it wouldn't work well.
He broke his back.
Its Thpinal !!
you still believe that shit lmao everyone knows he didn't rape anyone or his his wife
Joe is scared that tyson might get rowdy
0-5 GTFO... Mike overcame the streets, he overcame the mafia. He’s 1-0 on life.
Who is this guy? I’m a Thai boxing fan so I don’t know a lot about boxing.
Jack Frost don't be close minded Muay Thai or Thai boxing is a very entertaining sports with some of the best strikers in the world and some Thai boxers was champions in boxing themselves
Austin S he trained Tyson for awhile and has been around the sport of boxing for a long time
@@colenicholson5965 Teddy Atlas and Kevin Rooney
If both those guys finished Tyson.s career id dare say hed be undefeated..
Raging Gamer definitely he was a complete different monster with those guys in his corner
Teddy would have been a great life teacher anybody who studied under him would benefit from him
Joe not interfering with Atlas is gold for it allows Atlas heart to speak. SALUTE to both.
Close your eyes during this whole interview and imagine it's Ray Romano
A slightly drunk Ray Ramano
@@YungNic yes yes
hahaha so true
🤣😂😂
I know...he is on a soap box trying to make an epic speech...
This is the reason why Tyson is back ..... saying ... “the gods of war want me to go to battle again “ ....
I believe the same.
:Both of you are morons. This is two years old and Mike Tyson has already said he has no qualms with Teddy.
No it’s not😂😂😂
you look like Ruiz
Such powerful insight from Teddy. Very deep!
I agree with Teddy and Michael Jai white said the same thing about Mike Tyson everytime he was met with resistance in the ring he would mentally quit if he couldn't knock you out quickly and you could see this in his body language when he was in the ring even if he won by decision like he did when fought Tony Tucker , Mike beat him by unanimous decision but you could see the frustration in Mike's face because he wouldn't go down and Mike really stop putting forward his best effort in those later rounds and I think I said this guy name wrong 😂 but I understand what Teddy is saying
Nowww let’s take a moment and compare Tyson and Atlas lives and see who is the real warrior.
I got Tyson
Do you know either of them personally? You're a moron.
Tyson bites ears
Sizzle Wrap convicted yes, guilty no
TroystonB I actually see Tyson at the gym all the time and extremely nice guy to everyone, but if we are gonna speak about morons then we should also take a moment and mention a moron name troyston with a fuckface that I can bet money is still virgin.
Keypad warrior
@Danny Eric Benavidez exactly
Me: Gets shot
Teddy: why didn't you resist the bullet that was your one chance!
theworldsking_7 😂🤣
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So your 0-1?
Teddy thinks he made Mike Tyson, but Mike made him
Cus made him teddy got nothing out of it at all
Much respect for Mr. Atlas. I don’t agree with everything he says but he has earned the right to say it.
Ironically, Teddy doesn't realise that he was being tested as a man,with Mike the child and he failed.
Mike needed Teddy greatly at that point of conflict between them, for guidance, stability and to be shown the right way to become, not just a great fighter, but a great man.
I don't agree with what Mike did, but he was a child with emotional & behavioural issues.....that needed help......that help should of come from Teddy more than anyone else, because of how close Teddy was to Mike and seeing first hand the issues Mike needed mentoring through.
What other reason would Cus have for getting rid of Teddy?
Cus knew Mike needed help, not more conflict.
Cus kicked him after teddy pulled a gun on Mike for messin with some younger younger kids when he was like 17..(15 not 17)
Teddy may or may not agree with that, but that wasn't what was being spoken about.
Profound
@@vodgod7229 Cus didnt kick him, Teddy left on his own because Cus was too defensive on Mike, which was against all his teachings about discipline. Which shows at the end of the day Teddy was right. Lack of discipline self destroyed Tyson.
When you hate somebody so badly that you can not even acknowledge his success.
Everyone is not obligated to be the greatest.....some guys are born badass.
When you acknowledge someone's success enough to agree with that person's own self-stated regrets.
@Jacqueline Sevilla Jealous of Mike Tyson? Because he lived such a desirable life so far?
@Jacqueline Sevilla You maybe don't understand what you're talking about. He seems alright now. Teddy is talking about Tyson when he was fighting. No real father, mother was a prostitute, spent time in juve for committing heinous crimes. Picked up by a boxing trainer who pushed him to an insane level physically and mentally for all his formative years. No life, no friends, no childhood, few life skills, just training and fighting against adults in the ring to fulfill an old man's dying dream. Then this new parent also died and he was left to the sharks and the whores; robbed by the people who got rich off his fights, accused and convicted of rape, labeled a rapist for ever. Had marriages that not only failed but with famous ex-wives who told the entire world how terrible Tyson was as a person. Despite sacrificing most of his life to boxing, still humbled repeatedly in the ring by underdog boxers. Gained a reputation as a cheater, a bully, a dirty fighter who could only win against weak and scared boxers, even known as a quitter who could dish it out but not take it. Went bankrupt less than a year after his last win in the ring.
Would anyone actually be jealous of this life, let alone Teddy Atlas?
Spot on embarrassing