MOST Graffiti Artists DON'T Do This - and it Keeps Them Toy
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2022
- In graffiti there. isone thing keeping graffiti artists from getting better and today i want to shed a huge light on this. graffiti artists have really low standards for art and today we're going to expose why this is so problematic and what you can do to stop it.
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Hey man, you often talk about the basics and keeping it simple. But what exactly are the basics of graffiti, and how can I practice them?
He got a whole playlist my boy
@@listo1387 not about the basics I think
@Don't $lip guess I know the basics then lol
@Don't $lip oh I wasn’t trying to sound disrespectful or anything. Just saying that I’ve watched almost all tutorial and tip vids on his channel
@@KREPITATION_band watching them and mastering them are different
Grim Drinking Game
Take a drink when he says:
- Fundamentals of Art
- Keep it simple, Practice the basics
Say goodbye to your liver after 2 vids 😵👍
lol if someone survived 1 video id be shocked lol!
Distracted by style...wow, a great way to say it.
I think this is your best video yet.
thanks dude, i almost didnt put the vid out because i didnt want it to come off as being too hard or rude
Tags before throwies, before pieces. Master the first one, you may discuss the others now. Am I the only person who was taught graffiti this way?
I was sent to the library to look at books on typography, and printing layouts. Good graffiti, like good printing, is invisible. You should only ever see what the designer intended, anything else that draws your attention was/is a mistake.
I get the feeling that one way or another, you’ll drag graffiti over to the art world, and make them play nice together. Good! Want a hand?
lol i've been teaching for almost 20 years and i learned from old school NY Writers from the 70s so comparing what i've seen, as well as what they've told me, you certainly are one for the very very few people who learned really well. that's extremely rare to see and it sounds like one of the best ways to learn to be honest. Thats a cool origin story friend :D love it
@@Theartistblock I still suck! But I get better all the time. Mentor was bicoastal, but we met in the Midwest. Mentored others, but we never met. “Crew might help raise your bail, but they ain’t gonna post it, so what good is that?” So was never in a crew. Avoided beef too. “Respect the hands.” Until I was tired of hearing it. All that meant was, don’t go over anyone else’s work… ever. Nobody reasonable beefs over an unmarked spot. You go over what you think looks “toy”, and you’re on the hook for that judgment. My version was/is: “Could be a toy, might be Philly style.” (Just teasing Philly… no dis, it’s all me, for not being able to read it.)
Having such a low entry for graffiti though i think is whats appealing about it. You dont need to know 1pt perspective or color theory. You just need to understand how to spell your name. Should they practice the basics when they start, ofcourse but i always enjoy seeing shitty graffiti in an alleyway. Makes me smile and remeber being a shitty teenager tagging shit and having it look shitty but being proud of it regardless.
see id agree with that if comics, anime, portraits, figure drawing, cartoons, abstract all couldnt be done with a pencil and paper. Just like graffiti, you can see badly done cartoons, anime, and all of the above. graffiti and other artforms are the same in every way in that regard, but this video is also about "experienced writers" and "pro graffiti artists", and this is where graffiti tends to differ from other artforms. See, the amateurs in all artforms seldom realize they're bad because the dunning krugar effect, but the pro in graffiti knows about as much about art as a amateur artist in any other field. This is where the difference in standard matters and where its really noticeable. the fact that an amateur artist could be considered a game changing revolutionary master of graffiti is straight up embarrassing for graffiti and should be a huge red flag. This is something that rarely if ever happens in most other artforms like comics for example. the prerequisite knowledge and skill to be a pro, or a master in most other fields actually requires you to master all of the required basics while graffiti on the other hand doesnt even require you to know those things exist. This is the lower standard im talking about. The example i like to use to illustrate the knowledge and standard difference, and even skill difference, would be if we took a master level artist from any field, and plopped them into graffiti, it would be the same as taking someone with a doctorate and plopping them into a preschool. The difference is so vast that many graffiti artists still debate the existence of topics that have been established centuries ago and the worst of it is they debate these topics as if it's debatable, new, and revolutionary. Mind you we're only talking about their artistic knowledge and skill, not how much they get up because legal guys are included in this convo.
have improved way quicker than my mates because of you bro. keep going
yeah i know what you mean i've done graffiti since far back in the 80's and to be quite honest I'm amazed at your knowledge in it and you been at graffiti half of what ive been in it and you are far better and knowlegable than me.. this is why I watch your videos i've learned so much more in ashort time watching your videos than in my lifetime..
lol you're much too kind man! I really appreciate the kind words and im glad im able to help! Im sure if the day ever came if we met, id be all ears learning tons from you im sure :D
Yo, Grim! I am a big fan! You always help me when I am stuck on graffiti. I have been doing throwies and tags for years and I thought about doing a piece or a straight letter, and I watched a few of your videos to learn how to do it and it really helped! I tried to do it a little bit ago without a tutorial and it was so bad. But, I got it all down now and I want to thank you! ♥️
Damn man, love your content. As soon as I get stuck with progressing you come in with more advice and knowledge which helps me improve.
Oh my god I'm so early love your videos and I learn so much thank you for existing
this probably the best channel to learn off of
thanks man i really appreciate that :D
this channel helps me alot from not knowing where to start to making my first throw up all from practicing the basics
that really makes me glad dude, put a smile on my face.
Dope video bro! Really love your enegy❤❤
lol you're too kind man thankyou
Keeping it simple is the hardest thing to do for artists across the board! Always go back to the basics when you are not seeing improvement!
It for sure can be hard no doubt. I find myself constantly practicing basic forms, and shapes just to not get rusty. its also not the easiest thing as most people don't find it fun lol
everyone: Graffiti
Grim: Gerffiti
Love your vids man
i appreciate it travis thanks man
Grim you should make a vid w a summarized list of what to do in order when learning the fundementals i wanna make sure im learning properly
i already do lol not only do i have a whole playlist, i also teach it in just about each video and rant about it in just about every other video lol
@@Theartistblock my fault my adhd be kicking in shit be hard to understand sometimes you mind i send u sum to ser if on right track
Preach it brother
hahaha, I did some practice today and it was pretty bad ;p (I put it up still if you want a laugh). First real try in over 20+ years and ive lost ALL my skills.
I dont even have much hand control any more...oh well, keep practising and hopefully it'll come back.
F**k yes I’ve been learning a ton from here love this sh*t
You should play graffiti kings on vr would be cool to see you throw a nice banger in that, just a cool thought love how you explain stuff my man
lol dude i would LOVE to play that game. i haven't been able to get my hands on a VR set though, they all seem like they need a fair bit of room and some have these wild pieces to them. i just don't know what to go for or what is actually needed lol. seems really cool though that's for sure :D
Hey Grim, don't forget mechanical 3D. It's nothing against anyone learning perspective but isometric and mechanical are fine too.
One this I've started noticing is toys calling eachother toys acting like they know what they talking about lmao💀
Yooo I wanna send stuff but don’t have ig or anything?
Hey man can you give me tips
Is there a perspective vid buy grim anywhere?
i have 1 from back in 2016 but to be honest, there are much better tutorials from FINE ARTISTS that are worth watching. While mine definitely covers essentials, the ones from other artists go far more in depth and are also just better produced videos. I highly and i mean STRONGLY recommend staying as far away from graffiti artists teaching perspective. Heres is a few really good vids
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czcams.com/video/bjhkxFDvD78/video.html
czcams.com/video/LIuNehjFmUU/video.html
My book on this topic also goes into great depth about many of the same topics in the videos linked above but we directly apply all of that to graffiti.
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btw, are posca markers good for graff?
only on paper pls dont use them on the streets
mind putting less ads i got an ad watched 15 seconds and got 2 ads
He just kept going on about sticking to the basics like u don't need to say it over 3 times
Reaction to your old videos
What do you write puccy ?
Lol poooh-c lol love it
Sketching, fools. Just do it. And practise yo handstyles.
I think there shouldn't be rules in art, I see art as a place where I can express myself.. but guys, the techniques are here to make it easier for us to express ourselves.. Michelangelo would not have been able to make the statue of David with talent alone, he needed to know the human body
Haha I started doing graff in 2000 I wonder how dope I would be if I knew fundamentals back then
lol same dude same. i started in 99 and i was toy for a solid 6 years not even knowing the basics existed. thats 6 years fafing about making negative progress lol
Dude, you never told us what those basic rules and fundamentals were
Lol I could have sword i mentioned them but maybe I didn't lol no worries buddy I have literally over 100 videos where I don't shut up about them. I talk about them in just about every video and I have a playlist where I teach all of graffitis fundamentals. For the elements of art I HIGHLY recommend only looking at FINE ART tutorials and not graffiti artists tutorials. That includes me.
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I think this is an awfully bad take what makes you think experienced graffiti artists have no knowledge of art laws learning graffiti fundamentals innately teaches artistic concepts along with color theory. Graf is low entry level and that makes it appealing because anyone can do it but that doesn't mean experienced people cant progress and take it seriously
Not sure if you watched the full video because I know it is a bit longer than my normal stuff but I say later in the video that there are plenty of people who do know the fundamentals. I echo your point exactly. With that said, I speak to thousands of graffiti artists, new and experienced, toys, kings and legends, and iv done this for just about 2 decades, while collecting info for all that time from people who have been doing it since it started in NY. most (even the experienced) don't know the fundamentals at all, and they don't know it to a professional degree. This isn't some random take, this is based of the standards of graffiti and backed by the info graffiti artists of all levels put out there. Iv also been teaching both fine art and graffiti for almost 2 decades so I see the direct differences in knowledge standard between all experience levels because it's literally my job to fill those knowledge gaps and teach. Once again there are exceptions and I clearly explain that in the vid but there is zero doubt that in general graffiti artists have much lower standards than most artforms.
You wish you were talking to me pshhh, Unreal.
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Just feeling myself bro, you said no graffers understand the fundamentals. I clearly have an understanding, but to each their own.
when u watch grafittiyoutube ure toy
Literally no idea what you mean with vanishing point perspective. Both of your examples are 1-point perspective. Also from a handful of your earlier videos about 1-point perspective you seemed to be under the impression that as horizon line relates to perspective it separates the sky from the ground. That's not true. Just look up directly at the sky while surrounded by tall buildings and draw it in 1-point perspective. There is an alternate meaning for horizon line, but it's not where vanishing point necessarily is.
The whole separating sky from ground is a general statement even master artists make because most people spent most of their time looking straight ahead not up into the sky. This is why it's called the HORIZON line but it also has another name specifically because it's not always on a horizon and that's the eye line. Iv even spoke about how perspective still functions in outer space , you know, where there is no ground to be seperated. The horizon line is ALWAYS present no matter where you're looking or where you are, but it can move and the vanishing point is ALWAYS on a horizon line. This is exactly my point with the video, I say this as kind as I can but you are exactly the kind of artist I'm talking about. Both examples were not 1 point perspective. Horizon lines, or eye lines put forms into context even before any vanishing point is applied. This is exactly the issue and the reason why whenever graffiti artists draw characters or environments it suddenly looks out of place or wrong, you'd know this if you knew 1 point perspective. Once again, I say this to hopefully open your eyes, not to insult or belittle because youve always been a really cool dude in the community but you are the kind of artist who missed the basics and has a lower standard of info. If you're going to try to prove someone wrong then you have to know the topic intimately and perspective is not something you know basic info of.
@@Theartistblock There's only 1 object in the scuffed H example. But if you feel like doubling down on it, you're free to explain why it isn't in 1-point perspective. Speaking of knowing perspective, do you still believe that outline of spheres is always a perfect circle in 1-point perspective?
Also like i said there's 2 meanings for horizon line.
@@leohuxtable439yes, i have no problem tripling down on facts. Ill even 10000 percent down on facts because facts are solid and provable. In the video i clearly said, vanishing point 3d is a watered-down, incorrect version of 1 point perspective. They both use a vanishing point sure, but PROPPER 1 point perspective utilizes a horizon line. that simple. Most graffiti artists dont even know what a horizon line is, let alone how it works. You say there's another meaning for horizon line, and as far as perspective is concerned horizon line is just a term used to describe the eye line, both being the same thing. the vanishing point is always and is only ever on this line, that's a fact. The only way you would be correct is if you want to extend this convo to cast shadows and angled surface, both of which still require you to know where the horizon line and vanishing point are so you'd still be proving me right and proving yourself wrong. No one said anything about spheres dude, you know i know about foreshortening and its effects on shapes and forms, go look at my latest figure drawing or half my other art. foreshortening is basic stuff for perspective and depth, so no need to talk about it as if its some big revelation or some big knowledge bomb you're about to drop. Stay focused on what we're actually talking about because you're struggling to prove your first claim then the last thing you want to do is dig yourself in a deeper hole of topics you know very little about. If you think the two examples i showed are the same then you lack the understanding of horizon lines and perspective, and this means you can't possibly understand forms enough to even want to bring them up in this discussion, so its best for you if we stay to your initial argument. So far all you've done is prove you don't fully understand the perspective (more so horizon lines) and how it works. I have no doubt you're a great artist, however, you certainly fit into the category of artist I'm talking about here in this vid. Keep the convo to just vanishing points and horizon lines, rather than getting into forms and shapes and perspectives' effects on them.
@@Theartistblock The sphere thing was just one of the things you mentioned in one of your older videos. I was trying to figure out what you mean with "vanishing point perspective", but nice to know you've learned something in the last few years.
But yea you didn't bother addressing your example of watered down one point perspective at all.
Just replace the scuffed H with a rectangle. Get your ruler and choose the same vanishing point. Do the 3d and if you feel like draw a horizon line. There's your 1-point perspective. Now erase the horizon line and vanishing point. You still have a single object that's in 1-point perspective. That single object doesn't offer any other context that would contradict that. Mostly because it's essentially a wire model.
@@leohuxtable439 I did address it, graffiti doesnt use a horizon line, that being an extremely crucial part of perspective. Now I've known perspective for ages, and once again, studied it for years. im certain whatever i said in the video was geared towards teaching a specific topic and was correct for the purposes of the video. for example, graffiti rarely uses spheres and uses cylinders more. Im sure whatever the goal was might have been lost on you especially after seeing you believe graffiti artists use perfect 1-point perspective. You want to prove your point, go on draw me a full environment with characters with a vanishing point NOT on the horizon line, and ya know what, dont include a horizon line at all. This drawing has to be fundamentally correct as far as forms go. This is the only way to prove your point and disprove mine. Its not going to be possible but ill wait. That's what graffiti does every time it does Vanishing point 3D because Vanishing Point 3D doesn't let you do that without errors. Propper 1 point perspective does. You're trying to prove something while not understanding the topic you're debating at all and it's why you can't prove your point.
sick of these vids for TOYS when are you gonna give some advice that applies to me!
now keep in mind, i havent seen your art so this could be wrong, but this likely does apply to you and you just dont realize it. Once again, i could be wrong, but you can normally tell someones skill or knowledge based off the questions they ask or things they say, and seeing as you're looking for tips and tricks and advice id be very confident saying theres a few or all the fundaments that you dont know as well as you think. since literally MOST graffiti artists dont consciously know the fundamentals im just about 100% sure this applies to you. Want some advice specific to you, contact me on insta, im always doing crits there and have been for years. Let me know its you so i can keep an eye out for the message and ill try to get back to you.
@@Theartistblock sarcasm i am bad
And this is why I love grim. Polite, well spoken and always trying to help. Stay up brotha and thanks for all the help
oh lord im so sorry hahaha. ya know, this is something i have to work on because i miss sarcasm way too often online truly i do. My bad man, its me who's gotta say it not you hahaha. hope you have a great rest of your day buddy :D
Why couldn't you just explain the difference? Great vid though
Lol I appreciate it. I felt listing the differences would be too long of a video and it would go on infinitely. it was easier and more reasonable I felt, to just give a few examples and explain.
@@Theartistblock Did you ever read Marvels How To Draw Comics The Marvel Way? Is that part on foreshortening the body true 1 point?
@@XARIER39 oh my God what a blast from the past hahaha. That was my first art book I read lol. Forgive me it's been over 15 or so years since I read it so I don't remember that section but I can say all things follow perspective, even huma forms. Now there are instances where an object might appear to not follow perspective but perspective is always an influence and always plays a role for sure
@@Theartistblock Thank you! Do you also remember those really big oversized 'How to Draw Cartoons' books they would sell at grocery stores? There was a series of them, some about drawing animals or cats or dogs. I always remember the badass cartoon bulldog in one of them.
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Holyshit, graffiti isn't art. It's about vandalism, getting up and addiction. It is not a fckn art. If I see "legal street-art" I will vandalise it by writing over it. Graffiti isn't art. And great you allready know why I think what I think, now that's a nice show of psychology. You are such a great 'artist'.
no, it's factually an art. cant argue that. Sure it can be used to vandalize sure but it's an art. Want to prove it's not, then prove graffiti doesn't use line, shape, form, value, space, color, or texture. Then once you do that, prove that graffiti's fundamentals have no artistic properties at all. This is the only way it can't be an art.
bruh get to the point
lol impatient much? i get to the point in the first min, the first few seconds if you're a long time viewer because you'd know where the video is going to go. The rest of my vid is just explaining why graffiti artists are disappointingly underperforming
@@Theartistblock you take the first five minutes or so saying essentially one thing: graffiti artists suck because they don't bother learning fundamentals. see, I could say that in one sentence, why does it take you five minutes
@@dieu_et_maitre I say my point in about 1 min, then explain it for 7 min. If I'm going to assert that most people don't know the basics then I damn well better explain myself and talk about that. That's what I did. Once gain, did the youtube intro stuff - said my point (about 1 min in) - then explain for 7 min. If the point "keep it simple practice the basics" went over your head within the first min that's on you buddy, especially if you didn't understand it 5 min in. That's a you problem when literally everyone else got the point.
@@Theartistblock ok
@@dieu_et_maitre get ratio’d
I feel this vid is telling me "keep it simple stupid" 🥲
lol i almost titled the video that tbh but i felt the joke wouldnt be taken too well by some haha