The MMQB’s Albert Breer on the Lingering Belichick/Robert Kraft Bad Blood | The Rich Eisen Show
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Three words that tell you all you need to about Robert Kraft: Orchids of Asia
That's unfair. He had more than his hand in this, he rubbed & tugged a lot of things to make them happen. At the end of the day I hope it's a happy ending.
The kraft shaft
Kraft is ruining his reputation by how he has handled Bill’s departure. Classless way to do it.
He’s making himself look bad. I always thought he understood what Jerry never has: if you win, you get a ton of credit. Don’t surrender to ego. Win. Then the accolades will come.
Or Bill really sucks to work with?
@@TheMattTrakker he won 6 Super Bowl. He’s probably a sociopath. Mr “no risk it, no biscuit” fun time Charlie got one and the wheels came off the wagon. To win six, a person isn’t normal. And probably demanding and difficult.
How about Bill's reputation on how he handled Brady. F-ck BB
How about Bill's reputation on how he handled Brady. F-ck BB
History will remember Bill Bellicek as an NFL legend.Robert Kraft will be remembered for a happy ending.
The irony is that the Krafts have made themselves look bad by dumping on BB. Don’t they realize their legacies hang together? Nothing is gained by this.
BB's legacy had already been muddied and dirtied by dumping on Brady. BB had a chance to prove the Dynasty was all about him and the opposite was true. He was nothing without Brady and Brady won a SB without him immediately the year he joined the Bucs.
@@JohnSmith-nj4zq that’s not what happened. Brady didn’t look great his last season in NE. Patriots didn’t have enough weapons. TB12 joined a stacked team and steered them to a chip. The one criticism is that BB may - like everyone else - have underestimated TB12 at the end. But he wasn’t trying to prove anything. He was doing what he always does: move on before the person sucks. Anyway … the anti-BB stuff is just absurd stupidity. Great coaches must have a QB. Name one multiple SB winner without a good QB. But you must have a great coach, too. Marino and Rogers underachieved bc they never had great coaches. BB and TB12 are Lennon and McCartney. You can’t separate them.
@@JohnSmith-nj4zq Then I can tell you don't remember the 1st 3 Superbowls. Those were won by the defense. Brady was just asked not to turn the ball over. He did not turn into the Tom you are talking about till after the 1st 3 Suoerbowls.
@@17NateJohnson Bill was in charge of Roster construction and drafting by the end of Brady's career as a Patriot. Therefore Brady didn't look good in that season because Bill took too much power and failed to build around Tom in the end. Also, do you not remember that he had his old D coordinator and Special Teams coach running the offense a couple years ago, right when Mac Jones started failing after a promising rookie season? He did some stupid things near the end of his time. It doesn't mean he wasn't at one point a great coach, but he did make some big mistakes at the end he didn't usually make. We have less info than the people involved. If there were issues BTS, I wouldn't be surprised considering some of the "Tactics" used by the Pats during his tenure and the choices made late in his career. If there were issues, it would make sense that he stopped tolerating the issues once the winning stopped. This situation of why didn't such a great coach get hired is similar to the Eric Bieniemy situation a few years ago. On the surface it appears Eric should have been a head coach, but information we didn't have told a different story. Then last season we find out Andy Reid was really the mastermind as the Commanders fail offensively with Eric in charge (with character issues and an inability to adjust to his team's strengths being revealed) and the Chiefs' Offense still plays well despite having less talent than in years past. We can comment on things and be outraged, but unless we are in the room, all we can go on is what we are given and what we can see. What we could see is a coach who had full control that shouldn't have played GM and should have had someone with enough authority besides the owner in the room to hold them accountable. Pete Carroll did that too and their drafts got ugly after the 2012 draft until the owner stepped in and they started drafting good in 2022, but by then the damage had been done to the roster. These last 2 drafts and the DK Metcalf pick are what saved the Seahawks from being a bottom 5 team. The Legacy damage to both Bill and Pete from those down seasons at the end was done already, we're just getting a public hint at the problems that were already there and more of what's already been exposed. There was already reported tension years ago about trading Jimmy G to the 49ers between Kraft and Bill.
@@17NateJohnsonNah the Dynasty showed Bills pettiness and ungrateful behavior towards Brady was embarrassing he wanted him gone in 2017 after he won a MVP Brady wanted to retire a Patriot and they would have been contenders if Brady brought in Gronk AB Fornette etc in 2020
2019 Patriots offensive cast was worse then last 4 years Brady played great in 2019 considering the trash offense he had to carry
There's a reason bill parcells didn't like kraft. He's a snake like most owners
That was his reputation he was called a Jerry jones wannabe the super bowls changed everything for him brady and belichick covered up for what Kraft truly was
That's a point
This speaks poorly for Robert Kraft. It makes him look petty
What was bill lmao
Thank you to our host and guest. This is a huge revelation.
Hard to be a worse owner than Jerry but Bob is doing it.
The Krafts are the cheapest owners in the league.. they're being exposed
Kraft gets credit for keeping the band together all those years for sure. But even Brady knows he ain’t the goat w/o Bill, his incredible defenses and the other coaches and personnel folks. Dungy and Tomlin lead outstanding defenses as well with great QBs but neither came close to the New England mob. Kraft seems worried about his legacy too much.
Because they didn’t have Brady I guarantee you if Pittsburgh drafted Brady in 2000 they win at least 6 rings maybe more
Bill has a losing record and no super bowls without Tom. Tom has a winning record and a Super Bowl without Bill. Case closed. The patriots were losers before Tom. They’re losers again.
Do you know what Kraft would be without Belichick? A rich man with no Super Bowl rings.
Without Brady Belichick would be Steve spagnola
That is a true statement
@@johnwalsh9529 without Mahomes, Reid “can’t win the big one” … show me a great coach who wins without good or great QB play. Of course you need players …
@@17NateJohnsonExcept Bill is sub 500 without Tom. Andy did not win the big one but Andy won. Bill not so much. Without Tom Bill has won playoff game his entire career. I still like Bill as a coach just not as my GM.
@@johnwalsh9529I’ve been trying to explain this to people Belichick is a great DC but like a lot of good coordinators dont make good head coach’s just look at his entire coaching tree from NE they are all failures like he was without Brady
How is it that Breer doesn't bring up the rumor that is floating around that Kraft spoke with Arthur Blank with less than glowing terms on BB?
Funny. I was reading yiur comment just as Eisen brought it up and Breer answered him. Did you watch the whole vid?
Bob Kraft has personally kept Bill Parcells out of the Patriots Hall of Fame so we should not be surprised that he would stab the greatest coach of all time in the back as well.
Fans are under the illusion most owners prioritize winning....
Pat McAfee already picked BB up and will have him running the draft show which I'll be watching.
Bill Bellicheck Revenge Arc Starts Now
I hated the Pats so yes
Bills never coaching again and if he does he is never winning again. It’s over.
Belichick needs Rodgers Goodell’s job.
I think that if Kraft said anything to Arthur Blank, it was the fact that BB wants control & final say over matters when important decisions are made. Belichick stated as much in one of his last press conferences before departing NE. He was asked if he were offered a diminished role in GM duties, would that be acceptable in order to continue coaching. His answer was basically that someone has to make the final call when people in the organization disagree & it might as well be him. I'm sure he feels as though he's earned that. Also, there probably was some "campaigning" in the Falcons organization against his hiring because of that fact. And that is why he wasn't hired. The entire affair reveals as much about Arthur Blank as it does about the Kraft/Belichick relationship.
He’s 72 years old. You act like he’s going to live forever.
Let's see if YOU feel you're on your deathbed and should be put out to pasture when YOU'RE 72!
Can't Kraft get sued for poisoning someones job opportunity
The old boy networks and policies of domination don't jive anymore with the shifting paradigms.
Kraft acted the same way with Bledsoe: he found it tough to break away from a committed member to his organisation.
What should Belichick do next?
Be the next Steve Sabol.
Bill has a mind like a steel trap, when it comes to NFL history and its historic games and whatnot.
NFL Network is missing out on a chance for a new show -- let Bill Belichick have "free reign" of NFL Films, and do some in depth shows of legendary teams, legendary games, trend-setting formations or concepts or strategies, etc
Robert Kraft show some class
It's amazing that all of the sports media reporters and commentators never talk about the big, obvious elephant in the room with Belichick. The inarguable truth is that he has been a NFL head coach without Tom Brady for 11 seasons - a large sample size by which to judge a guy. In those 11 seasons he is 17 games under .500, has had 8 losing seasons, only two playoff berths and only one playoff win. To top it off, in his last playoff appearance the Pats' defense (his specialty) played what has to be one of the worst games in the history of the NFL playoffs (allowing touchdown drives on EVERY opponent offensive possession exept for the last one which was a kneel-down by the opponent QB2). That kind of resume would have any head coach unemployed. Without Tom Brady Belichick is basically Vic Fangio - a terrific defensive coach with a career losing record and no HC job.
Couple all of the above with the FACTS that BB is a difficult, arrogant guy who has offended a lot of people (including team owners) along the way and would have been 72 for the start of the 2024 season and I say that the really amazing thing would have been if someone had hired him for 2024. Honestly I can't see anyone hiring him for 2025 - I'm sure glad that my team isn't considering him.
If I'm an NFL owner I can honestly say I wouldn't hire anyone over 50 as my HC! I really think age was a factor in several teams owners and GMs that discussed him as an option while searching for a next HC! Do you really want someone you know is gonna retire in 4 or 5 years? At best 7 ...???
New York Jets next yr with Aaron Rodgers watch it. To play pats twice also. Or Buffalo Bill's and Josh Allen 5:55
Kraft was and is still upset about BB convincing him that that it was time to move on from TB12. TB12 wins SB with Bucs and Kraft is mad because he thinks it should be their 7th SB. As a Pats fan Kraft shouldn’t point fingers at anyone. The Patriots were dead last in spending since 2001, if he wasn’t cheap Patriots couldn’t won more SB than 6.
He Was elite….he is over the hill now…out of touch…like Making the Def. Cord. The Offensive Coordinator..like Tom Landry…with the Cowboys…Coaches age toooo
Is that English?
In all fairness if it weren’t for Kraft & his wife being BFFs with Goodell & his wife they wouldn’t have won their first 3 super bowls. That was how they met with officials before the playoffs & went over their game plan to cheat: illegal formations/procedures and holding/tackling opposing teams’ WRs & TEs. The kicker is when their opponents tried doing the exact same thing they were flagged. The only possible way that happens is if they met with officials beforehand…
And of course Goodell burned the tapes!
Why is he the greatest coach? He had Brady all those years. How did he do without him?
Billy Bel isn’t the greatest coach of all time. Greatest defensive mind in the history of the game for sure. But not the greatest coach of all time.
Calling Belichick "the greatest coach of all time" is not as widely accepted as these mainstream media guys think it is. What is the W-L record without Brady?
Rich has been completely wrong on this topic the entire time...but he just keeps being so sure that Bill's gonna get a job.
And he's right.
Sports Illustrated is still in business?
These owners don’t want to win. The money is easy
Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson anyone? Kraft should be charged with tampering~
Robert Kraft lacked the gratitude and humility to just let Bill go be Bill. Yes Tom Brady was a huge factor but the Special Teams, Defense, and players were picked and Coached Bill. It’s a shame. Classless behavior from Bob “Happy Ending” Kraft.
100% why the cowboys haven't sniffed a championship in decades... Owners want to be like Jerry...
Owners should not be in the hall of fame. So dumb
If you're trying to develop a young QB i would stay far away from Belichick especially in this day and age
Kind of a dick move Kraft.
Belicheat's record without Brady is excrement. Plus he cheated. "Greatest coach" is beyond stupid.
Robert Kraft thanks to his big mouth has tanked his legacy he will be remembered like Jerry reinsdorf and Jerry Krause only won because of a goat player and goat coach
Serious , you need to decide or discuss what a coach should be ? It was a job description, the guy is worth it or not ? If not don’t hire him , if yes hire him, none of you ever had this job
Kraft should be on his knee's thanking God Belichick coached his team
Kraft didn't do anything
Ummm, Jim was busy winning a national championship . . .
Belichick will be coaching the Cowboys in 2025.
Dude , without Brady he had a losing record.
Exactly!
You're comment is disingenuous. Belichick started with the Pats the same year as Brady. He was hired in 2020 same year Brady was drafted. Also, in the 1st 3 SBs, Belichick's D won those SBs for the PATS. TB12 was meh in those 1st 3 SBs. Belichick's D carried that team. He was also the Defensive Coordinator for the Giants when they were dominant in the 80's. So, without context, you're being revisionist with what actually happened.
He also was the only coach to take Brady in the draft, knowing they already had 3 QBs and kept 4 on the roster for the only time ever. Obviously seeing something in him.
The dude has a game plan in the hall of Fame. Don't play with his pedigree as a coach. Listen to any of his former players talk and what do they say "he made the game easier, and what he said was gonna happen did happen".
@@pkpnyt4711Brady lead the NFL in Pass TDs in 2002 he was great it was debate between who was better Peyton vs Brady so he was at worst 2nd best QB which I still since 2003 maintained he was better then Peyton and was proven right on that
@@davis2k1234 His performance in the SB that year was decent at best. He did well in the regular season, but the D carried them throughout the playoffs.
It's a No brainer...Tom Brady retired.
Old willie’s and macho egos . . . . It’s a tiresome story.
Bill was a massive buffer to take all the criticism and attention away from a cheap and petty owner.
Bill Parcells was also tough, stubborn to work with, however, he was always highly in demand, and proved his salt with every team he took. He is a true turn around artist. Belichek not so much, remove brady, what do you have , what is his draft pick record.
Again he got the Cleveland Browns to the playoffs with Vinny testaverde. Then art model announced he was moving the team and the bottom fell out. So give it a rest on belichick.
Including his 36-44 Cleveland Browns record, Belichicks Career Head Coaching record is 83-101 w/out a Tom Brady. Not even close to a .500 average. Way overrated. If it wasn't a Lawrence Taylor or a Tom Brady, Belichick wouldn't have any rings. It is what it is!
Do you think Tom Brady has 6 rings in New England if Belichich isn't the head coach?
@@Kfabiano10 I think it's more likely Brady would have 3 or more w/o Belichick than Belichick would have even one w/o Brady.
And what's bill Walsh's record without Montana or young or Noll's record without bradshaw? What's Reed's record without Mahommes?
What a funny narrative. Dude has a game plan in the HOF. Get real. Dude is legit when it comes to football coaches. Stop playing with him.
But this is true of any coach. That is part of the reality that comes with the job. For a short time I coached swimming and got to rub shoulders with our national level coaches. The one's that were 'famous' were the ones that were doing it right ....but also had one or two perfect matches in terms of athletes walk through the door. Suddenly the coach finds themselves on a national and world stage. Like any relationship..there is a chemistry that needs to happen.
All coaches w multiple SB wins had star players. Brady gets a ton of credit. So does Bill and his staff, and other players. Brady is a big piece. It doesnt mean the roster and staff werent part of that.
collaboration is such an overrated word - it's not like Bill didn't work with others... enough is enough with all the kumbayah soft $hit
Bills Belichick’s record without Brady is I think below 500
He got the Cleveland Browns to the playoffs with Vinny testaverde. Then Art Modell announced he was moving the team and the the bottom fell out. So there's your history lesson.
Robert Kraft doesn’t need any help getting into the Hall of Fame.
Wow, now that would be yet another happy ending for Robert Kraft.
Well he should not get in.
The argument people will see the affable side of BB in a TV gig doesn’t make sense. It just proves he’s a fake and a fraud. Just be who you are, the studio wresting gimmick personality is tiresome..
NFL puppets
Albert slinging more mud as usual. It is all he is good for
Bellichick is the greatest fraud of all time. He has a losing record without Tom Brady. Neither he or his protégés could win without Tom. Tom won a Super Bowl without any of them in his forties. It’s wasn’t “The Patriot Way”. It was “The Brady Way”. The patriots legacy without Brady is losing.
So who are the 5 greatest coaches of all time then ?
Greatest coach of all time, my hairy Scottish beanbag...
You don’t know ball
@@lucasgales3008you don’t know jack
Rich E thinks a guy who has been a grade A a-hole is going to be a hit as a commentator? What planet does he live on? Rich strikes me a great guy with a wide swath of friends. But some bitter a-hole guy ... the opposite of Rich himself will succeed. I think Rich has lost some perspective.
Have you seen him in that space ? Dude won an Emmy for the one time he was an analyst on the national stage. Stop it.
You OBVIOUSLY have not seen Bill do anything else but stomp around the sidelines. If you had seen him on some of these other shows as a commentator, you wouldn't say something so incredibly ignorant.
I can't help but smile when I watch your videos
I want to say, those teams that declined to hire Bill also don't want those three assistant of his.
Kraft stopped inviting Belichick to massage parties down in Florida, that's my bet.
Albert Breer, without saying it. Owners want championships, but want coaches and management to kiss the players asses.
Kraft was telling the truth. Bill comes across as an arrogant misanthrope. My partners were team physicians for another NFL team and the way Bill spoke too them and a neurosurgeon who were trying to help with an injured player was appalling. Bill made his bed and now he has to sleep in it.
Belichick did himself no favors at all in doc. None.
The doc was produced by the Kraft family. You need to understand that.