When I am looping, it really helps to workout, clean the house, go for a drive or even turn on some music and dance/sing. Now I know why. Thank you for posting!
@@kimberlydonaldson4904 I have, unfortunately it wasn't helpful. The worst thing is that there is one main problem that is the cause of the loop for a couple of years for now. Hmmm I think I need to look for different points of view regarding this issue. I have never talked to anyone about the problem so I've never actually used the Te for this. Only the Se (and I have a binging issue as well) Gee, I can say it's a eureka moment for me. Need to start using the Te
Finally, I was waiting for this. True that Ni-Fi loop is the worse thing for INTJ. I've been there. You explained it accurately how to come out of it because that's what I did unknowingly. Engaging in some extroverted activities will bring back Ni visions of the reality and the perspectives than projections of Fi. 1)Long walks 2)Seeking help from my close friend 3)Journaling 4)Exercising 5)Music&Playing an instrument All these helped me to get out of the loop. Thanks for this video
@@t5396 My decisions and perceptions about the outside situations and people weren't objective unlike a healthy INTJ. Unknowingly my mind (maybe Fi)was framing false negative intentions about people's actions but it felt so real to me. I was unproductive. It's hard to come out of the loop if you can't identify that you're in a loop.
@@vyshakhputhiyedath8745 INTJs often struggle to know where to begin and procrastination is the bane of our existence. Worrying about people's intentions or whether or not people want us is, I think, a separate issue.
@@t5396 I agree. The point which I mentioned was about the battle between our self worth and our visions. Even if we procrastinate we tend to keep our future visions in sight and we know when not to procrastinate. But while in the loop the future becomes blurry because we are trying to solve some emotional turmoils. Kind of a war between Ni and Fi maybe
Now that I understand what a “Loop” is..... I just realized I’ve been in a Loop for over 5 years. Looping sometimes once a day or several times a day. And I’m using extroverted functions as an escape. This is so liberating. Now I can do something about it. Thank you so much!
6:21 Yes! This is my ultimate hang up. What happens if I am presented with a no-win situation is to reject the situation entirely, and subsequently slip into Ni Fi la-la land. Seems to be about control. Appreciate the advice to focus on the tangible aspects of living to recalibrate... getting moving and doing physical activities that allow for a sense of agency through engagement rather than fantasy, even though it can be difficult to overcome the inertia sometimes. That is where having support from others can really help, too. Thank you!
INTJ here. Ni Fi loop was more of a problem for me in my 20’s. I ended up in a couple narcissist relationships where I felt cut off from the world and stuck in my own thoughts and feelings feeling trapped, controlled, manipulated, gaslighted, etc. It happened because my “3 year old” distant 3rd function didn’t alarm me that my feelings needed to be addressed early on until I was stuck. When I started using my Te by opening up to close family and getting in nature Se, I gained clarity and left the relationship in order to build my self esteem up and come to a healthy place. Luckily my Si is pretty savvy to the narcissist and gaslighting and deflecting... it’s been a tough journey
Totally called me out! I am experiencing this right now - I need to make a big decision about whether to completely change what I am studying at university and I’ve been stuck for quite a while in picturing the outcomes of different pathways and trying to figure out what to do and what I actually want.
For ages I was just keeping it to myself but I eventually talked it through with some of my friends and family members and it has been helpful to get out of my head.
when you subconsciously or inadvertently mentioned "the greater good" within a lose-lose dilemma it spoke volumes to me. you are a good man who is helpfully intelligent.
Shout out to the INTPs out there. You guys are the best and really do help bring us out of these loops. You guys are good friends to us and are appreciated.
Oh hallelujah! I FINALLY understand the NI-FI loop. I've read about it, watched a 100 videos about it and still didn't get it. But when you said something like - stuck in a situation when your mind is focused on your feelings I got it. Thank you!! By the way, I've been stuck in several NI-FI loops but not know that's what they were. THANK YOU for elucidating this situation for me!
I think INTJs are the most prone types to being "unhealthy" due to this Ni-Fi loop. it's the infamous "extinct by instinct" example. it requires the ultimate sacrifice which is time when Fi acts as their "passion" function. also note that the "escape" that you mentioned might not always result in just diving into Se (i.e. the common abusive sensory traits), rather it could force the person into picking the Te-Se loop which then put the person in danger of being stuck in the "analysis paralysis" mode. needless to say that I'm generalizing/projecting my experiences (by extrapolation?) here and it doesn't mean that it could be the case for anyone else.
I am INFJ and it sounds very similar to the Ni-Ti loop, which if used at the right time for the right situations isn't a bad thing but it is horrible once caught in it with what feels like no way out. Whether it is thoughts or feelings, it is needed to use your opposite functions to figure out what needs to be done to get out of that loop and I was caught in an Ni-Ti loop for 8 to 9 years. It even put me in a depressive state, making me think I was truly in full depression. Once I started learning psychology and typology (and researching what my type was), I learned how to get out of it and have felt much better about myself, about my life, about everything really. I have you as one of the many to thank for that. With that said, with us both being Ni dominant, I think that is why I got drawn to you when I found the first video of yours that I had watched. Instantly went to your page and subscribed, I have learned much, and yet still have allot more to learn.
I have often said in my life that my bias is rooted in my morality as an individual. This allows my 'patterning of obligation' of my perceived 'doubts and failures' of others to be a 'failure' rooted solely upon my perspective. Basically, I cannot hold anyone else to the same standard that I hold for myself because that often kicked off my loop. We are all human, meant to fail, and this was a defining moment for my encompassed perspective of the stream of life ebbing and flowing around me. This was long before such beneficial videos such as this one which defines it as an overview; rather than trying to find a specific situation and what others would do about it. I was young and it took a bit of time to sort out the why's, but it basically boiled down to expectations that I relied on because I thought others shared the same 'values' that I did. Often in my intimate relationships, this does not get inferred correctly and I have had women think it is some sort of 'complex'. The reality is that I expect failures from others, and myself, which gets perceived as self-defeating. The reality is my expectations in my skull makes me still reside as an idealist, but I have to make a knowledgeable decision to be a realist in a flawed world. Thus helping me avoid the main conundrumatic loop of my existence.
Ni-Fi is also seductive because Ni is almost automatic, the thing we know defines our visionary ways. Fi is however deeply wedded in childhood patterns. Put together it’s a potential sinkhole of unhealthy patterns and feelings that feels like a totally valid vision we can’t let go of.
Spot on! IMO and based on my experiences, Te is the best way out of the Ni-Fi loop. It re-establishes the Ni-Te balance which pulls an INTJ out of the loop. It also rationalizes and breaks the illogical and suspicious beliefs Ni and Fi feed each other. With Se, if not measured, could lead to indulgence. So stick with Te by using it daily and in every task.
I am so glad to hear I'm not the only freak with a "video library" in my head that I can loop over and over. It's a problem for me, especially because I had some childhood trauma events that are completely preserved in visual and emotional fidelity and can be relived over and over.
I would recommend researching on the "vagus nerve" and trauma memory, complex PTSD, trauma desensitization, psychosomatic exercise. Check on what Dr. Jordan Peterson says about trauma. There are ways to cope with childhood trauma.
As an ENTJ, I actually relate to Ni-Fi loops. Of course I can get into Te-Se without noticing it, but Ni-Fi is actually the harder one for me to fix because of its position as a divergent function stack. There are times where I can only observe the Ni-Fi loop without the ability to change it. I usually have to force myself to use both Te and Se to get out of Ni-Fi loops.
I knew I had chest dysphoria for 3 years, 1.5 of which I labored over whether or not to have top surgery with my gender therapist. The literal second I saw my bare chest after surgery (wounds, swelling, drains, and all) in the mirror, I knew 100% I'd made the right choice. Ni-Fi loops are rough, but I see now that my gender therapist supported me through Te and, once I'd done it, I had Se proof that it was the right choice.
“Conclusion.” That’s a really precise word. Usually if I stuck in this loop or a rut it’s because I lack a conclusion of something. This means more to 5w4 when they’re trying to figure out the purpose of doing something.
The "win-win" situation you mentioned is spot on. I'm always looking for the perfect outcome and always end up pushing the envelope right when I think i've found an answer. It's also funny that you talked about having to choose the "lesser of two evils." I've been calling that exact thing "the less crappy option out of two crappy options" problem lol.
Thank you for explaining this 👍 I was in such a loop all day, trying to find a win-win solution to a priblem. I didnt realize why these things are so hard for me but you explained it well.
At the beginning of the video I was having trouble visualizing the loop situation in my own life, but then you got to the no-win scenarios. I'll agonize endlessly between two shitty choices.
I feel like this was me for months in a relationship with someone I cared about but knew I couldn't stay with long term but didn't want to break her heart. It took a night of my friends dragging me out for some drinks and talking with them and by the end of the night I had the clarity and resolve I needed to make that decision. It was still very difficult but man, I don't know if I would of made it out of that loop with out that.
Thank you for this, I'm prone to falling into the nifi loop pits and somehow when friends help giving possible solutions or get me out of my head somehow, I get calmer/stable almost immediately! I'll seek it out myself now whenever I realize I'm stuck in the loop!
I've been trying to understand this concept but couldn't find a reliable source! Thanks for the video man. If you could point out more ways to healthily engage our Te and Se, I'd be elated.
Very well explained. Turns out I might be INTJ after all.. I've had a long journey. INTJ to ISTJ to INTP. But it seems that with recent data collected that I was INTJ after all. And other than me mentioning this. I feel less of an urge to go about and seek endorsement for it, as I've felt with the other two types. Thank you for this content.
Yes a kind of insecurity which we can see comming may be after 40 or 50 years from now and we are afraid of it so instead of solving current problems like exams we start finding a solution of a problem which may or may not come after 40 or sine years and this lead to procastination you are absolutely correct
I was in a Ni-Fi loop and I started to act like an ESFJ. I was partying being social drinking alot and flirting. It didn't really help a lot. I actually get out of the loop after I moved, started the university and met my fiance and started to go for therapy. Therapy combined with studying humanities is the cure for PTSD and childhood abuse. Next to that studying Data Sicence is the best! So my point is that the best is to study and go for therapy.
@@mamu7976 not fun, you loose grip of reality and everything becomes negative. Hard to explain but perhaps not to different. Just a logical pessimism that you feel isolated in. It's hard to escape. I think talking to someone is the best way to get out of it. Gives new input
infjs look colder and they will be living in their brains, doubting everything they do and see, even themselves. Whereas the intjs will look overly emotional and assume the Ni hunches to be right through their subjective Fi and can make incorrect conclusions on people's motives.
To be honest, I'm pretty much struggling with the In Fi loop. This video actually helped me understand that I'm not that weird after all. With an arsenal of potential problem-solving situations in my mind created on a daily basis.
For me, a lot of what triggers an introverted loop is related to an overstimulation of extroverted sensing. Especially because I am autistic too. Would you have any advice on how to integrate my Se in healthy way even when I am overstimulated by it ?
In a different video, he said to start out gradually, with situations that are calm and relaxed, like just getting out of the house, or going for a walk.
It is very helpful to listen to this video in 1.25 speed. It is fast but just as fast enough to not lose things and still obtaining all the intel in a appropriate amount of time.
Divorce and no indication as to the “next step” in my career and building a family sent me into a 5 year Ni-Ti loop. After moving out of state (Se) to a healthier environment and a year of therapy (Te) I am slowly coming back with balanced thoughts and a clearer mind. Give it time and don’t rush the process.
This video put many things under a new light. I am in the middle of one, it has been going for quite a while now. The problem involves a once friend, now acquaintance, I am trying to decide if I should erase them for good. And the problem is that the blame lies in both of us so I am not sure what to do hahahahaha and lets think about it again, and again, and again
Probably your most important INTJ video. I'm in this loop (big time) because it's lose/lose, but my answers can't be applied, and my alternatives would be less profitable. So I stay in the bad business situation because I don't have the answers (very uncomfortable for our type). Need advice.
I have been in a terrible loop for almost a year and a half and I haven’t been able to speak to the person and get clarity from them on what put me in this so I’ve driven myself into a totally unfamiliar loop and haven’t let myself get a break from it because I’ve been wanting to figure it out as soon as possible because it been terrible for my mental health this video helped me more than anything his since it started
I just started therapy yesterday and told her what’s been bothering me and she didn’t seem to understand and I said yeah I know logically it doesn’t even make sense to me but I can’t get away from it I’ve been so restless trying to get to a conclusion over this
Because of my repressed Te when stuck in the loop, it can get difficult to get things done. A lot of Te activities are left hanging as a result. This pandemic really threw me hard into this kind of trap and it really affected me. But I don't dissagree that a healthy use of extroverted functions can get me out of this trap.
I've found that one is rarely enough. You get one and then you start noticing all of the other cool swords you want. I've developed a rather significant bladed weaponry "habit". :-P
Thanks for the quality content. I wonder what you think about what CS Joseph says about the Fi child or God complex. His recent video on why people hate INTJs is quite disturbing because of how accurate it is. A lot of people think INTJs are insensitive jerks, dictatorial, and narcissistic. I know that you have addressed the issue of INTJs and narcissism, but more than a few INTJs and those who have had relationships of some kind with one of us, say Fe trickster and Fi child God complex have angered or baffled a lot of people to no end.
Your passion is infectious, but if you could just slow down a little, it would help my comprehension of what you are saying. Time to put it in contiguous order. Great work!!
2 big problems with the 16 Types today: 1. "No one", today, has reads or has read the 3 big Myers-Briggs books. They are: "Gift's Differing", co-authored by Isabel Myers-Briggs. (SHOW ME even one youtube video, made in the last 2 years, that ever even mentions or quotes anything from this book OR the next 2 listed. It doesn't happen. So, where are the youtube creators getting their info?!?) "Type Talk" by Kroeger and Theussen (my favorite)- "Life Types by Hirsch & Kummerow. the second thing wrong is: "Everybody" wants to be: 1. the RAREST type (so they can feel "special") 2. an INTP or an INTJ (so they can feel "smart") or 3. an ENTJ (so they can be "in-charge" and give orders). No one!-- ever says: " Hi, I'm one of the 2 most common Types. I'm pretty-darn common and ordinary and I couldn't be happier about it." NO ONE!
What you're saying is true. It's very annoying. Though I have to say, I feel like the people who would be the most interested in things like MBTI are mostly intuitives. You attract what you are and look for concepts that fit your understanding of things, for example. So coming across more of the types you listed makes sense, but for different reasons. But I know so many people who just do the 16 personalities test and then claim to be a certain type without diving into it and it makes me so sad! Or when teenagers use it as a trend. There were people who were calling themselves "master manipulator intj" and well...i am an intj but if they typed me, they'd think I'd be wrong, probably because I'm not always super logical
Nah nah.. i always talk to 10yo girl of me to stop make me stuck n taking my happiness away Then i tell my self whatever it is it has to be done. Cases closed
I remember being in a Ni Fi loop when i was a kid and i would hallucinate things into existence like ghost or other mythical creatures, this loop can ruin your life but it can also help you succeed easily. Use it With caution ⚠️
I especially like the way the blogger thought and provided solutions to some of the issues, was Ne not analyzed separately in the 8-dimension? It would be better if the 8 -dimension could create a separate playlist, I guess then the viewer can find what they need more clarity. Thanks again blogger for sharing your thoughts and knowledge, your sharing has really helped me to think about my life in a new way.
This was a great video genuinely, still trying to figure out how to get out of the loop when extraverted functions are kind of the core of the problem. ty!
@@eleonoraherondale2748 Yes. I need to get to know you. I would contact you directly here on youtube but I'm not sure how. But I can write you an email if you want to. Damn, this is rare - an INTJ army. We've got to take this opportunity
You now, I wonder if we INTJs are more likely to become followers of Christ. If you think about the verse in Corinthians, "Therefore, if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature, behold, old things are passed away, all things are become new".
What issues do INTJs with ISFJs need to face and address if they become mates in life? I am an INTJ but also have a high Fe-Ti percentage, my partner is an ISFJ and we have been together for almost three years, there was a lot of conflict at first but we understand each other by communicating our own way of thinking. I would like to ask the blogger which way of communication is easier for ISFJ to understand and accept, and how should INTJs learn the qualities they don't have from ISFJs? This question has been bothering me for a while, and I've been thinking about it myself, but I truly hope to get your answer. It should give us a new perspective to rethink about our relationship. Thank you for taking the time to read this, and hope your video will help more people.
Me, opening the video: Oh, I'm a healthy INTJ, I definitely don't have any loops or something. "Replaying scenarios in your head" Me: Fuck Edit: For those struggling with Ni-Fi loop I recommend playing strategies (especially if you are really into this) to do something with your Te
i thought everyone around me do this, is this only a personality specific thing? I am stuck and I cannot talk to anyone, because I don't know if they can help, so i eat a lot..., very helpful, the taking a walk is a good tip, thank you
I'm ENTJ. Is it possible for me to use my auxiliary and inferior Ni-FI loop? When I have not completely processed information, and feel unwilling to do so, I'm usually organising things or feeding my Se. Hell, I even went out of my way to avoid someone once I processed that I was avoided too much by the same person myself. It might come off as arrogant, and is indeed arrogant, but I just don't bother addressing people who don't like my dominant and tertiary functions. And it is arrogant, other than being unhealthy, to a certain extent. However, I do tend to have songs stuck in my head, contaminated with a dose of rationale which I try to extricate from the song. These songs are rather melancholic in nature, kind of moralist. Is there a precedent to that? Because the experience is real for sure. When I get up, I sometimes remember music from one of the days before, though that one is probably just an idle brain. Also, I think you are right. Attention is really important towards promoting a healthy extroverted loop synthesis with the introverted functions.
When I am looping, it really helps to workout, clean the house, go for a drive or even turn on some music and dance/sing. Now I know why. Thank you for posting!
Same, but in my case, after the cleaning and walking I go back to thinking. Or I'm just looping with my thoughts on the walk.
@@AM-sv2vv Have you tried writing it down or making lists? That sometimes helps if nothing else does.
@@kimberlydonaldson4904 I have, unfortunately it wasn't helpful. The worst thing is that there is one main problem that is the cause of the loop for a couple of years for now. Hmmm I think I need to look for different points of view regarding this issue. I have never talked to anyone about the problem so I've never actually used the Te for this. Only the Se (and I have a binging issue as well) Gee, I can say it's a eureka moment for me. Need to start using the Te
@@kimberlydonaldson4904 thank you, you helped me realise it
@@AM-sv2vv You will get it worked out 😊
Asura: Ni Fi
Me, an intellectual: Neee Feee
Me also an intellectual who happens to have been exposed too much of the internet: Nai Fai
en eye? ef eye!
Me, spanish speaker: same lol
We are the knights who say Ni Fi!
@@claimyourshame6196 😂😂😂😂
Now I get it.
From the Knights whos says Ni.
I just watched it 3 days aftet I comment here. 😂😂
INTJ here. This video made me aware that I was experiencing a Ni/Fi loop now, and that is why my work efficiency decreased immensely. Thank you.
Finally, I was waiting for this. True that Ni-Fi loop is the worse thing for INTJ. I've been there.
You explained it accurately how to come out of it because that's what I did unknowingly. Engaging in some extroverted activities will bring back Ni visions of the reality and the perspectives than projections of Fi.
1)Long walks
2)Seeking help from my close friend
3)Journaling
4)Exercising
5)Music&Playing an instrument
All these helped me to get out of the loop.
Thanks for this video
How would you describe the looping yourself?
@@t5396 My decisions and perceptions about the outside situations and people weren't objective unlike a healthy INTJ. Unknowingly my mind (maybe Fi)was framing false negative intentions about people's actions but it felt so real to me.
I was unproductive. It's hard to come out of the loop if you can't identify that you're in a loop.
@@vyshakhputhiyedath8745 INTJs often struggle to know where to begin and procrastination is the bane of our existence. Worrying about people's intentions or whether or not people want us is, I think, a separate issue.
I do those things almost daily maybe that's why i don't think I've been in an Ni-Fi loop yet
@@t5396 I agree. The point which I mentioned was about the battle between our self worth and our visions. Even if we procrastinate we tend to keep our future visions in sight and we know when not to procrastinate. But while in the loop the future becomes blurry because we are trying to solve some emotional turmoils. Kind of a war between Ni and Fi maybe
Now that I understand what a “Loop” is..... I just realized I’ve been in a Loop for over 5 years. Looping sometimes once a day or several times a day. And I’m using extroverted functions as an escape. This is so liberating. Now I can do something about it. Thank you so much!
This is why INTJs MUST exercise and oxygenate themselves to get OUT of that crazy head loop!
EWWWW NO WAY
(JK)
-INTJ
Actual exercise or is that a figure of speech to help motivate us break the shackles of the loop
That doesn't do anything.
@@justinedse8435 Yeah agreed we just keep on thinking while exercising 😂
6:21 Yes! This is my ultimate hang up. What happens if I am presented with a no-win situation is to reject the situation entirely, and subsequently slip into Ni Fi la-la land. Seems to be about control. Appreciate the advice to focus on the tangible aspects of living to recalibrate... getting moving and doing physical activities that allow for a sense of agency through engagement rather than fantasy, even though it can be difficult to overcome the inertia sometimes. That is where having support from others can really help, too. Thank you!
INTJ here. Ni Fi loop was more of a problem for me in my 20’s. I ended up in a couple narcissist relationships where I felt cut off from the world and stuck in my own thoughts and feelings feeling trapped, controlled, manipulated, gaslighted, etc. It happened because my “3 year old” distant 3rd function didn’t alarm me that my feelings needed to be addressed early on until I was stuck. When I started using my Te by opening up to close family and getting in nature Se, I gained clarity and left the relationship in order to build my self esteem up and come to a healthy place. Luckily my Si is pretty savvy to the narcissist and gaslighting and deflecting... it’s been a tough journey
Totally called me out! I am experiencing this right now - I need to make a big decision about whether to completely change what I am studying at university and I’ve been stuck for quite a while in picturing the outcomes of different pathways and trying to figure out what to do and what I actually want.
For ages I was just keeping it to myself but I eventually talked it through with some of my friends and family members and it has been helpful to get out of my head.
So,its settle?
when you subconsciously or inadvertently mentioned "the greater good" within a lose-lose dilemma it spoke volumes to me. you are a good man who is helpfully intelligent.
100% accurate. I am in this right now. Lose / Lose.. It is debilitating.
Shout out to the INTPs out there. You guys are the best and really do help bring us out of these loops. You guys are good friends to us and are appreciated.
When they’re not themselves in a loop
Dude. You help me more than I can say
Glad to hear it, thanks for watching!
I thought I was stuck in NiFi loop. Turned out to be depression. Surprise!
It's something which is happening to me too 😳
Same.
It's usually the same thing.
Lol, have depression too
I thought the loop led to depression...
Oh hallelujah! I FINALLY understand the NI-FI loop. I've read about it, watched a 100 videos about it and still didn't get it. But when you said something like - stuck in a situation when your mind is focused on your feelings I got it. Thank you!!
By the way, I've been stuck in several NI-FI loops but not know that's what they were. THANK YOU for elucidating this situation for me!
I think INTJs are the most prone types to being "unhealthy" due to this Ni-Fi loop. it's the infamous "extinct by instinct" example. it requires the ultimate sacrifice which is time when Fi acts as their "passion" function. also note that the "escape" that you mentioned might not always result in just diving into Se (i.e. the common abusive sensory traits), rather it could force the person into picking the Te-Se loop which then put the person in danger of being stuck in the "analysis paralysis" mode.
needless to say that I'm generalizing/projecting my experiences (by extrapolation?) here and it doesn't mean that it could be the case for anyone else.
I am INFJ and it sounds very similar to the Ni-Ti loop, which if used at the right time for the right situations isn't a bad thing but it is horrible once caught in it with what feels like no way out. Whether it is thoughts or feelings, it is needed to use your opposite functions to figure out what needs to be done to get out of that loop and I was caught in an Ni-Ti loop for 8 to 9 years. It even put me in a depressive state, making me think I was truly in full depression. Once I started learning psychology and typology (and researching what my type was), I learned how to get out of it and have felt much better about myself, about my life, about everything really. I have you as one of the many to thank for that. With that said, with us both being Ni dominant, I think that is why I got drawn to you when I found the first video of yours that I had watched. Instantly went to your page and subscribed, I have learned much, and yet still have allot more to learn.
I’ve always said that I think better when I’m outside. I guess this explains it.
I have often said in my life that my bias is rooted in my morality as an individual. This allows my 'patterning of obligation' of my perceived 'doubts and failures' of others to be a 'failure' rooted solely upon my perspective. Basically, I cannot hold anyone else to the same standard that I hold for myself because that often kicked off my loop. We are all human, meant to fail, and this was a defining moment for my encompassed perspective of the stream of life ebbing and flowing around me.
This was long before such beneficial videos such as this one which defines it as an overview; rather than trying to find a specific situation and what others would do about it. I was young and it took a bit of time to sort out the why's, but it basically boiled down to expectations that I relied on because I thought others shared the same 'values' that I did.
Often in my intimate relationships, this does not get inferred correctly and I have had women think it is some sort of 'complex'. The reality is that I expect failures from others, and myself, which gets perceived as self-defeating. The reality is my expectations in my skull makes me still reside as an idealist, but I have to make a knowledgeable decision to be a realist in a flawed world.
Thus helping me avoid the main conundrumatic loop of my existence.
Agree! I know for me, this virus has affected everything, including my previous goals. When that loop pops up I’ve taken to bike riding to reset.
Ni-Fi is also seductive because Ni is almost automatic, the thing we know defines our visionary ways. Fi is however deeply wedded in childhood patterns. Put together it’s a potential sinkhole of unhealthy patterns and feelings that feels like a totally valid vision we can’t let go of.
Spot on!
IMO and based on my experiences, Te is the best way out of the Ni-Fi loop. It re-establishes the Ni-Te balance which pulls an INTJ out of the loop. It also rationalizes and breaks the illogical and suspicious beliefs Ni and Fi feed each other. With Se, if not measured, could lead to indulgence. So stick with Te by using it daily and in every task.
I am so glad to hear I'm not the only freak with a "video library" in my head that I can loop over and over. It's a problem for me, especially because I had some childhood trauma events that are completely preserved in visual and emotional fidelity and can be relived over and over.
I would recommend researching on the "vagus nerve" and trauma memory, complex PTSD, trauma desensitization, psychosomatic exercise. Check on what Dr. Jordan Peterson says about trauma. There are ways to cope with childhood trauma.
As an ENTJ, I actually relate to Ni-Fi loops. Of course I can get into Te-Se without noticing it, but Ni-Fi is actually the harder one for me to fix because of its position as a divergent function stack. There are times where I can only observe the Ni-Fi loop without the ability to change it. I usually have to force myself to use both Te and Se to get out of Ni-Fi loops.
I knew I had chest dysphoria for 3 years, 1.5 of which I labored over whether or not to have top surgery with my gender therapist. The literal second I saw my bare chest after surgery (wounds, swelling, drains, and all) in the mirror, I knew 100% I'd made the right choice. Ni-Fi loops are rough, but I see now that my gender therapist supported me through Te and, once I'd done it, I had Se proof that it was the right choice.
“Conclusion.” That’s a really precise word. Usually if I stuck in this loop or a rut it’s because I lack a conclusion of something. This means more to 5w4 when they’re trying to figure out the purpose of doing something.
The "win-win" situation you mentioned is spot on. I'm always looking for the perfect outcome and always end up pushing the envelope right when I think i've found an answer. It's also funny that you talked about having to choose the "lesser of two evils." I've been calling that exact thing "the less crappy option out of two crappy options" problem lol.
Thanks for unlocking my soul and making me understand myself more.
Thank you so much, I’ve been having a tough time getting things done and focusing on what’s important lately, and now I know why.
As an INTJ myself this helped me a lot! Thank u for making this video and I love ur channel :D
Your spelling doesn’t seem too INTJ for me
Possible to have a video on Se grip as well and how you got out of your grip?
Yes!
Can you point me to the one? I couldn't find it.
czcams.com/video/OhCj9-F0aB4/video.html this
@@pooja21century This is not exactly focusing on Se grip and doesn't helps much.
Srikant Aggarwal sorry i was just trying to find something related to this topic..I shouldn’t have taken the time to share the link
This looks like playing at 1.25x speed and I'm not complaining. Spot on, many thanks! ♥️♥️
This is so well-put. Every word is so relatable. Thank you for this!
Thank you for explaining this 👍 I was in such a loop all day, trying to find a win-win solution to a priblem. I didnt realize why these things are so hard for me but you explained it well.
the loose-loose situation part got me zoned out sudently travelling from flashbacks to flashbacks.
At the beginning of the video I was having trouble visualizing the loop situation in my own life, but then you got to the no-win scenarios. I'll agonize endlessly between two shitty choices.
I feel like this was me for months in a relationship with someone I cared about but knew I couldn't stay with long term but didn't want to break her heart. It took a night of my friends dragging me out for some drinks and talking with them and by the end of the night I had the clarity and resolve I needed to make that decision. It was still very difficult but man, I don't know if I would of made it out of that loop with out that.
Thank you for this, I'm prone to falling into the nifi loop pits and somehow when friends help giving possible solutions or get me out of my head somehow, I get calmer/stable almost immediately! I'll seek it out myself now whenever I realize I'm stuck in the loop!
I've been trying to understand this concept but couldn't find a reliable source! Thanks for the video man. If you could point out more ways to healthily engage our Te and Se, I'd be elated.
Very well explained. Turns out I might be INTJ after all.. I've had a long journey. INTJ to ISTJ to INTP. But it seems that with recent data collected that I was INTJ after all. And other than me mentioning this. I feel less of an urge to go about and seek endorsement for it, as I've felt with the other two types. Thank you for this content.
This helped me to understand what is happening to me at times. Thank you.
Yes a kind of insecurity which we can see comming may be after 40 or 50 years from now and we are afraid of it so instead of solving current problems like exams we start finding a solution of a problem which may or may not come after 40 or sine years and this lead to procastination you are absolutely correct
Thank you for making this video. I've been stuck in a unproductive nifi loop for 2 years now, and your video gives me hopes
I was in a Ni-Fi loop and I started to act like an ESFJ. I was partying being social drinking alot and flirting. It didn't really help a lot. I actually get out of the loop after I moved, started the university and met my fiance and started to go for therapy. Therapy combined with studying humanities is the cure for PTSD and childhood abuse. Next to that studying Data Sicence is the best! So my point is that the best is to study and go for therapy.
That's good use of Te; therapy is a form of extraverting your thoughts (Te) and studying is Te in its pure form.
Partying is the Se-Fe loop.
@@xaisthoj yeah can be but whatever it was it was certainly not making me be me. :/ I am glad it is over.
now this is interesting! I've wondered about my INTJ cousins. Getting stuck in Ni-Ti loop sucks big time. the worst.
Yep, two introverted functions spinning in your head does not sound like fun. I've often wondered what a Ni-Ti loop would be like?
@Trihardious Maximus How are you going to exit the loop?
@@mamu7976 not fun, you loose grip of reality and everything becomes negative. Hard to explain but perhaps not to different. Just a logical pessimism that you feel isolated in. It's hard to escape. I think talking to someone is the best way to get out of it. Gives new input
I'm glad I figured out early on how unhealthy it is to get stuck in my own head and to live in reality for a bit when I can't figure something out
Spot on. Thanks for this great video! Can you also do a video about Ne Fe loop?
Can you explain the difference between Ni-Fi loop for INTJs and Ni-Ti loop for INFJs?
Instead of "Fi things" in INTJ he mentioned in this video replace it with "Ti things" in INFJ :3
No thanks needed! :D
Fellow ENFJ!
infjs look colder and they will be living in their brains, doubting everything they do and see, even themselves. Whereas the intjs will look overly emotional and assume the Ni hunches to be right through their subjective Fi and can make incorrect conclusions on people's motives.
Yaya. INFJ here
To be honest, I'm pretty much struggling with the In Fi loop. This video actually helped me understand that I'm not that weird after all. With an arsenal of potential problem-solving situations in my mind created on a daily basis.
For me, a lot of what triggers an introverted loop is related to an overstimulation of extroverted sensing. Especially because I am autistic too. Would you have any advice on how to integrate my Se in healthy way even when I am overstimulated by it ?
In a different video, he said to start out gradually, with situations that are calm and relaxed, like just getting out of the house, or going for a walk.
It is very helpful to listen to this video in 1.25 speed. It is fast but just as fast enough to not lose things and still obtaining all the intel in a appropriate amount of time.
Thank you
I’m digging the ‘do!
Divorce and no indication as to the “next step” in my career and building a family sent me into a 5 year Ni-Ti loop. After moving out of state (Se) to a healthier environment and a year of therapy (Te) I am slowly coming back with balanced thoughts and a clearer mind. Give it time and don’t rush the process.
This video put many things under a new light. I am in the middle of one, it has been going for quite a while now. The problem involves a once friend, now acquaintance, I am trying to decide if I should erase them for good. And the problem is that the blame lies in both of us so I am not sure what to do hahahahaha and lets think about it again, and again, and again
Currently in the loop and about to get out of this thing I’ve been wanting to procrastinating but today’s the day.
Fabulous info!
Probably your most important INTJ video. I'm in this loop (big time) because it's lose/lose, but my answers can't be applied, and my alternatives would be less profitable. So I stay in the bad business situation because I don't have the answers (very uncomfortable for our type). Need advice.
I wish I had known this earlier. Thank you.
This man has the haircut of half the INTP’s I know
Google is a godsend to us for seeking external sources
Thank you for sharing
Thank you for this video! It would be really great to see your insights about Ni-Ti loop as well.
I found myself a bit neurotic
But this is new for me
Previously i wasn't neurotic
Great advice. Really puts into perspective certain problems I've experienced in my life.
this is so helpful, thank you
I have been in a terrible loop for almost a year and a half and I haven’t been able to speak to the person and get clarity from them on what put me in this so I’ve driven myself into a totally unfamiliar loop and haven’t let myself get a break from it because I’ve been wanting to figure it out as soon as possible because it been terrible for my mental health this video helped me more than anything his since it started
I just started therapy yesterday and told her what’s been bothering me and she didn’t seem to understand and I said yeah I know logically it doesn’t even make sense to me but I can’t get away from it I’ve been so restless trying to get to a conclusion over this
Like always, well stated and helpful! You're a treasure to me.
Also, I want to see that sword behind you
Its just a training sword haha, no real blade to it. Thanks for the support!
Thanks for sharing
Because of my repressed Te when stuck in the loop, it can get difficult to get things done. A lot of Te activities are left hanging as a result. This pandemic really threw me hard into this kind of trap and it really affected me. But I don't dissagree that a healthy use of extroverted functions can get me out of this trap.
It is about doing good, like work, even if you don’t feel like doing it.
Now I need a black sword in my room.
A fun way to get some healthy Se activity haha
I've found that one is rarely enough. You get one and then you start noticing all of the other cool swords you want. I've developed a rather significant bladed weaponry "habit". :-P
Thanks for the quality content. I wonder what you think about what CS Joseph says about the Fi child or God complex. His recent video on why people hate INTJs is quite disturbing because of how accurate it is.
A lot of people think INTJs are insensitive jerks, dictatorial, and narcissistic. I know that you have addressed the issue of INTJs and narcissism, but more than a few INTJs and those who have had relationships of some kind with one of us, say Fe trickster and Fi child God complex have angered or baffled a lot of people to no end.
Your passion is infectious, but if you could just slow down a little, it would help my comprehension of what you are saying. Time to put it in contiguous order. Great work!!
You can slow the speed of the videos.
I go through this every day. fml
2 big problems with the 16 Types today:
1. "No one", today, has reads or has read the 3 big Myers-Briggs books. They are:
"Gift's Differing", co-authored by Isabel Myers-Briggs. (SHOW ME even one youtube video, made in the last 2 years, that ever even mentions or quotes anything from this book OR the next 2 listed. It doesn't happen. So, where are the youtube creators getting their info?!?)
"Type Talk" by Kroeger and Theussen
(my favorite)- "Life Types by Hirsch & Kummerow.
the second thing wrong is:
"Everybody" wants to be:
1. the RAREST type (so they can feel "special")
2. an INTP or an INTJ (so they can feel "smart") or
3. an ENTJ (so they can be "in-charge" and give orders).
No one!-- ever says: " Hi, I'm one of the 2 most common Types. I'm pretty-darn common and ordinary and I couldn't be happier about it." NO ONE!
What you're saying is true. It's very annoying. Though I have to say, I feel like the people who would be the most interested in things like MBTI are mostly intuitives. You attract what you are and look for concepts that fit your understanding of things, for example. So coming across more of the types you listed makes sense, but for different reasons.
But I know so many people who just do the 16 personalities test and then claim to be a certain type without diving into it and it makes me so sad! Or when teenagers use it as a trend. There were people who were calling themselves "master manipulator intj" and well...i am an intj but if they typed me, they'd think I'd be wrong, probably because I'm not always super logical
Massive loopers, raise your hands. ✋
you explain so well 🙏
Nice video 👌
Can you pls tell us that how Ni-Fi loop in INTJ is different from Ni-Fi INTJ Jumper ( Dave superpower) personality ?
Your videos are great 👍
Felt this one! Sometimes we need a change of pace
Nah nah.. i always talk to 10yo girl of me to stop make me stuck n taking my happiness away
Then i tell my self whatever it is it has to be done.
Cases closed
I remember being in a Ni Fi loop when i was a kid and i would hallucinate things into existence like ghost or other mythical creatures, this loop can ruin your life but it can also help you succeed easily. Use it With caution ⚠️
I especially like the way the blogger thought and provided solutions to some of the issues, was Ne not analyzed separately in the 8-dimension? It would be better if the 8 -dimension could create a separate playlist, I guess then the viewer can find what they need more clarity. Thanks again blogger for sharing your thoughts and knowledge, your sharing has really helped me to think about my life in a new way.
and it happens with trauma too, and i cant keep with that
Your hair is wild sir
This was a great video genuinely, still trying to figure out how to get out of the loop when extraverted functions are kind of the core of the problem. ty!
I can't help but notice the Taehyung profile pic. Are you an INTJ?
A M yes, hiii ! Is it possible that you're also an Army INTJ?😊
@@eleonoraherondale2748 Yes. I need to get to know you. I would contact you directly here on youtube but I'm not sure how. But I can write you an email if you want to. Damn, this is rare - an INTJ army. We've got to take this opportunity
A M sure, do you have twitter? :) Don't use email that often.
What is INTJ army?
You now, I wonder if we INTJs are more likely to become followers of Christ. If you think about the verse in Corinthians, "Therefore, if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature, behold, old things are passed away, all things are become new".
If you start a podcast, I'll listen. Now I'm just hoping for it.
Get a mohawk lol! (great video)
What issues do INTJs with ISFJs need to face and address if they become mates in life? I am an INTJ but also have a high Fe-Ti percentage, my partner is an ISFJ and we have been together for almost three years, there was a lot of conflict at first but we understand each other by communicating our own way of thinking. I would like to ask the blogger which way of communication is easier for ISFJ to understand and accept, and how should INTJs learn the qualities they don't have from ISFJs? This question has been bothering me for a while, and I've been thinking about it myself, but I truly hope to get your answer. It should give us a new perspective to rethink about our relationship. Thank you for taking the time to read this, and hope your video will help more people.
happens too often
Awesome! Could you make a video About the ISFP's?
Me, opening the video: Oh, I'm a healthy INTJ, I definitely don't have any loops or something.
"Replaying scenarios in your head"
Me: Fuck
Edit: For those struggling with Ni-Fi loop I recommend playing strategies (especially if you are really into this) to do something with your Te
D O U B L E I N T R O V E R S I O N
Intj me is not that helpless. The talk got kind of looping it's hard to sit through so I skip to the end and feel I did not miss anything.
Infamous or should I say cursed?
Aren't the loops supposed to be between hero-inferior function and parent-child function?
Hero-Child functions (First & third) is the loop. Grip is the usage of only the inferior function.
nice 👌
now any thoughts on how to get out of an extraversion-extraversion loop?
i thought everyone around me do this, is this only a personality specific thing? I am stuck and I cannot talk to anyone, because I don't know if they can help, so i eat a lot..., very helpful, the taking a walk is a good tip, thank you
Oh, your problems can be solved. You just have to find the right people and organizations.
and find healthy habits.
Could you compare the Ni-Fi loop with the Ti-Si loop? That would be very interesting. There aren't many contents on the Ti-Si loop.
Ti-Si. Si gets stuck on what is comfortable and factual. Ti is the logic. So, no new possibilities.
I'm ENTJ. Is it possible for me to use my auxiliary and inferior Ni-FI loop?
When I have not completely processed information, and feel unwilling to do so, I'm usually organising things or feeding my Se. Hell, I even went out of my way to avoid someone once I processed that I was avoided too much by the same person myself. It might come off as arrogant, and is indeed arrogant, but I just don't bother addressing people who don't like my dominant and tertiary functions. And it is arrogant, other than being unhealthy, to a certain extent.
However, I do tend to have songs stuck in my head, contaminated with a dose of rationale which I try to extricate from the song. These songs are rather melancholic in nature, kind of moralist.
Is there a precedent to that? Because the experience is real for sure. When I get up, I sometimes remember music from one of the days before, though that one is probably just an idle brain.
Also, I think you are right. Attention is really important towards promoting a healthy extroverted loop synthesis with the introverted functions.
to me it seems like you are in the grip of the inferior function