She-Hulk Season 1 Finale - EPIC FAIL ENDING! - Angry Review

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  • @61241Rex
    @61241Rex Pƙed rokem +3521

    Joe: “So who’s the villain of the show?”
    Alex: “The writers”
    I wheezed when Alex said that but he’s right

    • @Ronin-kk4bt
      @Ronin-kk4bt Pƙed rokem +83

      Lmao he’s not wrong!đŸ€Ł

    • @AussieDadAndy
      @AussieDadAndy Pƙed rokem +84

      Jen's the villian. She does nothing heroic the entire show

    • @marconeves1979
      @marconeves1979 Pƙed rokem +10

      LOL!!! Yes, indeed.

    • @sebastianemond5313
      @sebastianemond5313 Pƙed rokem +24

      If this was trying to go for a Freakazoid level fourth wall break-
      April O'Neil: "Well, you failed miserably!"

    • @-MrDontCare-
      @-MrDontCare- Pƙed rokem +7

      đŸ€Ł

  • @thecapn3560
    @thecapn3560 Pƙed rokem +716

    Joe had more of a character arc than she-hulk during season one 😂

    • @philberto78
      @philberto78 Pƙed rokem +71

      Haha that’s so true! I remember how upset he was in his video he made responding to his audience. But now he finally accepts the truth.

    • @redragongaming
      @redragongaming Pƙed rokem +19

      Lol Joe doesn't care about you, only about the money his channel makes, to him you're just another number.

    • @TheLastSane1
      @TheLastSane1 Pƙed rokem +5

      Admit you've never read a She-Hulk comic. Because honestly this was spot on. See you lot fail to understand that She-Hulk does the fighting bit in her comics but the story is never really about the fighting. She-Hulk is self-aware she knows she is in a comic and often uses those comics as evidence in her trials. She was self-aware and using the fourth wall LONG before Deadpool was a thing, even in his comics he has pointed out that he just copied her but the MRA who read his comics would never read a female lead comic so they think he did it first. Yeah thats a literal fucking thing. So Jen actually busting out and confronting the bad writing and the tired tropes and overused plot lines is 100% accurate to the source material because fans have been complaining about the tired trope of the hero having to fight the bad guy who has the exact same powers of the hero for YEARS, Having Hulk show up outta no where to save Jen would be stupid too because it would make her look weak in her own show.
      You also miss this is not a superhero show, its a sitcom with a superhero character. BIG difference.

    • @GUYMAN261
      @GUYMAN261 Pƙed rokem +82

      @@TheLastSane1 bad show is bad no matter what happens in the comics

    • @TheLastSane1
      @TheLastSane1 Pƙed rokem +3

      @@GUYMAN261 If you think its bad thats fine. Just admit that you 1 never were going to like it, its female lead. and 2 that it does not follow your agenda and beliefs.
      The show is a sitcom its not an action movie, you lot just are being dump

  • @jasonw8665
    @jasonw8665 Pƙed rokem +1305

    I can’t believe the writers actually put themselves in the show. Their egos just couldn’t resist the urge to literally make it about them.

    • @kluneberg8952
      @kluneberg8952 Pƙed rokem +167

      to be fair, its the first and last time they'll write for something mainstream.

    • @joshopoke
      @joshopoke Pƙed rokem +61

      stole it straight out of deapool kills the marvel universe too

    • @jasonw8665
      @jasonw8665 Pƙed rokem +3

      HaHaHa!!! That’s so true.

    • @OzoneGamerStation
      @OzoneGamerStation Pƙed rokem +30

      Jesus, you guys will complain about anything.

    • @AbraCaStabra
      @AbraCaStabra Pƙed rokem +23

      @@kluneberg8952 I feel bad for you if you believe that. I mean, I wish it was true, but these people continue to get jobs because of their friends and so long as they have friends, or meet a quota, they'll continue to get work.

  • @guyvizard549
    @guyvizard549 Pƙed rokem +512

    The most unbelievable part was that the writers actually had the episodes planned out in front of them.

    • @willybe6427
      @willybe6427 Pƙed rokem +36

      i was more shocked that joe and gang defended the twerking episode... lol but their reaction and sadness while borderline crying and saying "but... it's NOT the worst thing on tv right now..." and then trailing off without a better example.... pure chefs kiss

    • @PlahaKumar
      @PlahaKumar Pƙed rokem +15

      This show is rock bottom for the MCU.

    • @KyubiCloaks
      @KyubiCloaks Pƙed rokem +11

      @@willybe6427 imagine being mad at a fun post credit twerk scene

    • @thekey1175
      @thekey1175 Pƙed rokem +1

      @@KyubiCloaks German cat strikes again

    • @luckymark571
      @luckymark571 Pƙed rokem +1

      @@PlahaKumar Nah, dark world and Hulk worse tbh but this is up there or actually down there Imao

  • @nopityfac8609
    @nopityfac8609 Pƙed rokem +1394

    I absolutely love Alex’s statement “it’s not supposed to make sense, they want you to talk about it. The thing is I don’t want to talk about it because nothing here is worth talking about, it’s just meta garbage “ not a truer word has been spoken about this, it’s the equivalent to people misspelling words in Facebook reels to get more comments

    • @Ko700el
      @Ko700el Pƙed rokem +4

      what? dude the cat misspelling stuff memes ??
      HO LO
      PE VE
      you : Hope Love
      me : Holo Peve
      dude, these shit most of the times are actually funny

    • @markcassar2868
      @markcassar2868 Pƙed rokem +23

      i did it better cause i didnt even watch it and i am not going to :)

    • @eldeadkilljohnkennedy3946
      @eldeadkilljohnkennedy3946 Pƙed rokem +1

      I’m just hoping Marvel Studios fix this problem have better male female characters well written badass sexy also the punisher is going to be TVMA he needs to be ultraviolet and dark Mature tone.

    • @thea-mansmoviereviews1442
      @thea-mansmoviereviews1442 Pƙed rokem

      Exactly. Not a gddamn thing. I want to kill myself thx to this crap.

    • @gerry10leon
      @gerry10leon Pƙed rokem +3

      @@Ko700el pretty sure he means the posts that have random words misspelled in the captions, not actual memes making fun of misspelling. Like when someone uses the wrong "their, they're or there"

  • @throwacnt7603
    @throwacnt7603 Pƙed rokem +1289

    On the plus side that scene with the writers is a perfect blacklist of people not to hire for your shows in the future.

    • @nightbandit1260
      @nightbandit1260 Pƙed rokem +147

      It's Hollywood. They won't care

    • @themadknight5678
      @themadknight5678 Pƙed rokem +5

      Fer real

    • @PeterParker-ff7ub
      @PeterParker-ff7ub Pƙed rokem +7

      they didnt need that to know which people to avoid

    • @Mr.PR2000
      @Mr.PR2000 Pƙed rokem +83

      In current Hollywood being a bad writer/activist means you are good.

    • @azariyelvarro6271
      @azariyelvarro6271 Pƙed rokem +42

      @@Mr.PR2000 a bit of a false equivalence to connect being an activitist in and of itself to being a bad writer. Captain America for example was basically an activist call by its writers for America to get up and punch Hitler in the face instead of staying neutral like they were at the time.
      Now people who try to shoehorn activist messages into their writing without proper meshing it into the story or characters and taking care to ensure that it actually work (on any side of the political spectrum or regarding any issue). Prioritizing the moral/product over everything else is what gets you shit like that one meme worthy Pepsi ad.
      All in all, it's completely possible to be an activist who goes to something like a climate rally or a pro-hong kong/Ukraine, Iranian people/whatever rally and still be a good writer. It's even possible to put activism into your stories and have it be good if you actually mix it in with the proper care and attention to detail.
      Unfortunately, alot of hack writers are the story telling equivalent of a baker who throws an egg into a bowl of flower, pours a cup of sugar on top, and expects you to Marvel over the 'cake' they've just created.

  • @Kragar01
    @Kragar01 Pƙed rokem +300

    “I demand to speak to the manager”
    That’s the climax the series built to.

    • @vernonhampton5863
      @vernonhampton5863 Pƙed rokem +7

      Dude, hand clap.

    • @jamesmayle3787
      @jamesmayle3787 Pƙed rokem +5

      The Bible is truth. Please do these four steps. They have an accumulative healing effect on your soul and will open your spiritual eyes.
      Forgive your parents, break down before Jesus Christ, ask for forgiveness, and read Genesis Mathew and one book of the Bible you chose yourself.
      Please, I know it seems strange, but it is all true. You just need to be genuine. Open your heart. That’s what makes it all click. Especially the forgiveness part. To be forgiven we must forgive. Our parents have generally loved us. They’re supposed to be the easiest people to forgive. It shows something important to God if you do your inner work Jesus Christ laid out. Not forgiving is what keeps Go at arm’s length.
      Please trust me.
      Jesus Christ is Lord.

    • @sephiroth8517
      @sephiroth8517 Pƙed rokem +6

      She-Karen

    • @synchaos9141
      @synchaos9141 Pƙed rokem +1

      @@jamesmayle3787 at this point everyone gonna need some jesus

    • @mahaffer71
      @mahaffer71 Pƙed rokem +1

      So in conclusion the fans were right. She hulk was as bad and sexist as every single one of them predicted.

  • @treytison1444
    @treytison1444 Pƙed rokem +464

    Jen saying she just wanted Emil to hold himself accountable was hilarious when she made multiple terrible decisions through the season and took no responsibility.

    • @dennydude
      @dennydude Pƙed rokem +52

      Was his responsibility not transforming? He gets 10 years for being a motivational speaker? His character was actually reformed and Jen has no problem sending a reformed person to jail? I felt bad for him.

    • @blpalv15
      @blpalv15 Pƙed rokem +3

      @@dennydude yeah, but he did get out.

    • @Carlos-nz3vi
      @Carlos-nz3vi Pƙed rokem +22

      Right, like when she threw that super car to Daredevil

    • @Black-ICE92
      @Black-ICE92 Pƙed rokem +15

      When she said that I’m like that’s bullshit

    • @goreobsessed2308
      @goreobsessed2308 Pƙed rokem +12

      Hell she also broke her limiter she lucky she ain't the one spending 10 years in prison

  • @aTalkingPizza
    @aTalkingPizza Pƙed rokem +4350

    I love how her character arc was learning nothing and everyone else was wrong but her. Truly a breaktaking vision for the series

    • @lightdarksoul2097
      @lightdarksoul2097 Pƙed rokem +114

      She literally was proven wrong and at the end found her own way to do both what she wanted and what Bruce said she had to do.

    • @BowmansWorld
      @BowmansWorld Pƙed rokem +81

      What are u talking about? U daft? The show literally showed how wrong ien was at the beginning because she couldn’t control her rage and hulked out. Bruce was right.

    • @aTalkingPizza
      @aTalkingPizza Pƙed rokem +323

      @@BowmansWorld yeah it showed that... and then it showed her writing out of all consequences by breaking the 4th wall entirely. Which if you enjoy fine. But it doesn't make for a compelling story to me

    • @aTalkingPizza
      @aTalkingPizza Pƙed rokem +181

      @@lightdarksoul2097 not to me it didn't. She writes herself out of all consequences from hulking out and the enemies she made.

    • @MarkHarrison-bo3kf
      @MarkHarrison-bo3kf Pƙed rokem +24

      Just like the comic. It is good to see a show faithful to the source material.

  • @TrueUnderDawgGaming
    @TrueUnderDawgGaming Pƙed rokem +200

    The fact the writers went "This ending makes no sense!" and then proceeded to make a worse ending is hilarious...in the most depressing way.

    • @glidergoku
      @glidergoku Pƙed rokem +1

      That’s what actually had me close to rage 😂😂😂 I was like wtf no pay off no cool last episode fight no nothing we just got some internet trolls arrested

    • @KillZoneHart1
      @KillZoneHart1 Pƙed rokem +10

      The writers should be blacklisted from working on any high profile projects. I don't know how these writers still get work... Any good writers deserve ALL the money for their work.

    • @Angel-7z
      @Angel-7z Pƙed rokem +2

      I miss comic she hulk😭

    • @budgiecat9039
      @budgiecat9039 Pƙed rokem +3

      @@KillZoneHart1 Jessica Gao said she was rejected by Marvel three times before this.
      Now we know why
      Dana Schwartz has been bitter and mad at fans because her She-Hulk comics werent liked and didnt sell.
      So now we see why this show was made the way it was.

    • @KillZoneHart1
      @KillZoneHart1 Pƙed rokem

      @@budgiecat9039 I don't know about that. I think it's dumb executives that don't care about the products they make and just making their quota content delivery for Disney+.

  • @MrJulianSpecter
    @MrJulianSpecter Pƙed rokem +46

    Joe: "Who's the villain of the show?"
    Alex: "The writers"
    Great response. Fist bump.

  • @SpookyKid_SpaceAce
    @SpookyKid_SpaceAce Pƙed rokem +229

    My freinds and I literally had to pause the show when Hulk's son showed up because we were laughing so hard. I was in tears. My eyes still sting. That's how hard I was laughing. We laughed for a solid 10 minutes before we mustered up the courage to continue watching. I did not think this show could possibly get any worse, yet somehow they managed to do it. This show is unbelievably bad, and i'm terrified for Marvel in the future

    • @geefee713
      @geefee713 Pƙed rokem +13

      Did everyone stand up and clap?

    • @makutas-v261
      @makutas-v261 Pƙed rokem +23

      Bro told his barber "just fuck me up"

    • @Sn0w_Official
      @Sn0w_Official Pƙed rokem +8

      @@makutas-v261 Man got hit with the, "I like yo cut G."

    • @johnnypopstar
      @johnnypopstar Pƙed rokem

      > I was in tears. My eyes still sting. That's how hard I was laughing.
      r/thatHappened, you psychopath

    • @jamesmayle3787
      @jamesmayle3787 Pƙed rokem +2

      The Bible is truth. Please do these four steps. They have an accumulative healing effect on your soul and will open your spiritual eyes.
      Forgive your parents, break down before Jesus Christ, ask for forgiveness, and read Genesis Mathew and one book of the Bible you chose yourself.
      Please, I know it seems strange, but it is all true. You just need to be genuine. Open your heart. That’s what makes it all click. Especially the forgiveness part. To be forgiven we must forgive. Our parents have generally loved us. They’re supposed to be the easiest people to forgive. It shows something important to God if you do your inner work Jesus Christ laid out. Not forgiving is what keeps Go at arm’s length.
      Please trust me.
      Jesus Christ is Lord.

  • @Username18981
    @Username18981 Pƙed rokem +738

    Joe has more of a character arc over the course of this shows reviews than she-hulk does. Bit of a tear jerker at the end when he resigns himself with those that jumped the gun on calling it crap before he did.

    • @triggerfairy4070
      @triggerfairy4070 Pƙed rokem +82

      Joe stole Jens character arc.

    • @trueLuminus
      @trueLuminus Pƙed rokem +9

      FACTS!

    • @alexschneider8494
      @alexschneider8494 Pƙed rokem +77

      Joe hasn’t realized that it’s pretty easy to see something is going to be shit within a half hour lol

    • @65firered
      @65firered Pƙed rokem +27

      He goes through the whole hero's journey

    • @opibegoob7585
      @opibegoob7585 Pƙed rokem +52

      @@alexschneider8494 joe just wants to review it thoroughly. Give it the benefit of the doubt before it’s over. After all, you can’t decide how something is until it’s over.

  • @Antjhart
    @Antjhart Pƙed rokem +398

    “Who is the villain of the show?” The writers. 💀

  • @nadav92
    @nadav92 Pƙed rokem +29

    “Who is the villain of the show?”
    “The writers”
    😂😂😂😂😂

  • @Sabata101
    @Sabata101 Pƙed rokem +230

    So watched it last night and kind of realized something this morning. So intelligentsia thinks that everything was handed to Jen and that’s why they’re out to get her, but her and her friends are saying “No it’s not like that”. But how Jen solves the finale is her getting basically everything handed to her after using what is in a sense sort of the basic concept that keeps a massive franchise going. I don’t think the writers thought that through.

    • @hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord
      @hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord Pƙed rokem +23

      Omg your right? The show is trying to make intelligentsia look like a group of complaining A holes. But they are entirely right? Jesus christ I can't believe this show.

    • @TheMsLourdes
      @TheMsLourdes Pƙed rokem +1

      No Intelligencia is after her is because she is a woman who got powers and they don't like a woman with power. And she didn't get anything handed to her at the end, she argued her point well and convinced K.E.V.I.N. through a cogent and logical argument. I feel like we weren't watching the same show @Nathan Smith... I mean we were, but perspective matters me thinks.

    • @hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord
      @hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord Pƙed rokem

      @@TheMsLourdes they literally said she did nothing to earn her powers. And you say she deserved her ending because she argued her point well? Jesus christ your a total sheep she nearly killed a guy and destroyed public property and was put on probation. Abomination used his powers and gets sent back to jail for 10 years. However she hulk not only escapes all responsibility for her actions she is praised escapes jail time and gets her job back. How does that makes sense and how is that fair to Abomination?

    • @waifuhunter9709
      @waifuhunter9709 Pƙed rokem +19

      @@TheMsLourdes i agree
      Perspective does matter.
      It also helps for flexibility when a person tries to bend over for a bilionare company

    • @jamesmayle3787
      @jamesmayle3787 Pƙed rokem +2

      The Bible is truth. Please do these four steps. They have an accumulative healing effect on your soul and will open your spiritual eyes.
      Forgive your parents, break down before Jesus Christ, ask for forgiveness, and read Genesis Mathew and one book of the Bible you chose yourself.
      Please, I know it seems strange, but it is all true. You just need to be genuine. Open your heart. That’s what makes it all click. Especially the forgiveness part. To be forgiven we must forgive. Our parents have generally loved us. They’re supposed to be the easiest people to forgive. It shows something important to God if you do your inner work Jesus Christ laid out. Not forgiving is what keeps Go at arm’s length.
      Please trust me.
      Jesus Christ is Lord.

  • @whatislife4831
    @whatislife4831 Pƙed rokem +1469

    She-Hulk is the most powerful character in the MCU by far.
    She can Karen her way into the Writer's office and force anything she wants to happen.

    • @trevorphilips9065
      @trevorphilips9065 Pƙed rokem +5

      @@Zuernaxashyr So?

    • @Zuernaxashyr
      @Zuernaxashyr Pƙed rokem +26

      Um this is in line with her character.. She did a similar thing on the books where she broke out and spoke to the writer.

    • @juckthebuck1710
      @juckthebuck1710 Pƙed rokem +102

      @UCIxusgGvAo63pJNSy2jXB9g
      Yeah but it works with comics, not that well in the mcu.

    • @sweeqydreamsnl
      @sweeqydreamsnl Pƙed rokem +127

      @@Zuernaxashyr so a random ass strong green girl is literally God in her universe. What a shit gimmick

    • @Excalibur01
      @Excalibur01 Pƙed rokem +42

      The real She Hulk isn't a Karen

  • @Valgard_Alvarius_Valterri
    @Valgard_Alvarius_Valterri Pƙed rokem +611

    Joe: "so who's the actual villain in the show?"
    Alex: *without hesitation* "the writers"
    Fucking perfect!

    • @ThatGuy-jj3kz
      @ThatGuy-jj3kz Pƙed rokem +13

      The writers are the villains for the show, but K.E.V.I.N. is also the villain for approving this incoherent, waste of time, insulting mess of a show.
      A smear on his "near perfect" record

    • @marekjanik9962
      @marekjanik9962 Pƙed rokem +10

      The real answer is the Americans

    • @renatobauer2390
      @renatobauer2390 Pƙed rokem +4

      Nerds like angry jou

    • @kaiholeung903
      @kaiholeung903 Pƙed rokem

      Can you give me the time stamps, I feel too cringe to watch the entire review.đŸ˜”â€đŸ’«

    • @vladthe3rd414
      @vladthe3rd414 Pƙed rokem

      @@marekjanik9962 you woke

  • @aprilhippie8752
    @aprilhippie8752 Pƙed rokem +74

    Joe’s face at the start says it all đŸ€ŁđŸ€Ł
    There is no force in the entire universe that is as CRINGE as this finale was.

    • @jamesmayle3787
      @jamesmayle3787 Pƙed rokem +1

      The Bible is truth. Please do these four steps. They have an accumulative healing effect on your soul and will open your spiritual eyes.
      Forgive your parents, break down before Jesus Christ, ask for forgiveness, and read Genesis Mathew and one book of the Bible you chose yourself.
      Please, I know it seems strange, but it is all true. You just need to be genuine. Open your heart. That’s what makes it all click. Especially the forgiveness part. To be forgiven we must forgive. Our parents have generally loved us. They’re supposed to be the easiest people to forgive. It shows something important to God if you do your inner work Jesus Christ laid out. Not forgiving is what keeps Go at arm’s length.
      Please trust me.
      Jesus Christ is Lord.

  • @awhbr1
    @awhbr1 Pƙed rokem +82

    The best character arc of this show is the joes and alex going from giving the show a chance and arguing with people that said it would suck and it pissed on men to agreing with them

    • @Fettman89
      @Fettman89 Pƙed rokem +7

      True character growth lol, Alex's takes are usually on point though.

    • @mahaffer71
      @mahaffer71 Pƙed rokem +18

      So in conclusion the fans were right. She hulk was as bad and sexist as every single one of them predicted.

    • @QuietRage
      @QuietRage Pƙed rokem +7

      To be fair a lot of genuine weirdo's were giving them unconstructive and unhelpful "criticism" at the time. Some people unironically argued that this show could never be good because it starred a woman in the main role. Whenever or not those people were plants from Disney to make the actual criticism seem less legit by association is a topic for another day, (we know from Sony that corporations aren't above that) but I appreciate that these guys didn't immediately assume the worst and were willing to give it a fair shake, when they eventually conclude that its trash, it gives us a paper trail of reasonable fans rejecting this drivel because its pandering, poorly written drivel.

    • @Hecatom
      @Hecatom Pƙed rokem +5

      @@QuietRage the problem is that AJ lumped all the negative comments into the same bunch.
      Just look how AJ was facepalming on this vid when he realized that he did exactly what Alex is saying that tje writers were doing, calling ever critic an Incel, and other shit like that.
      There were more people pointing valid criticism in the comments than tbe "weirdos".
      The show laid its cards from even before it premiered.
      Giving it a chance was a fools errand.

    • @refugeehugsforfree4151
      @refugeehugsforfree4151 Pƙed rokem +2

      @@Hecatom He will do the same for the Acolyte and The Marvels. Watch.

  • @SilentSilvia
    @SilentSilvia Pƙed rokem +259

    As someone else said: "The ending finale is Karen finally gets to talk to the manager."

    • @Ioganstone
      @Ioganstone Pƙed rokem

      The little boy can finally cry wolf! YAY NIHILISM

  • @SolidBold00
    @SolidBold00 Pƙed rokem +268

    My favorite part is how they continue to call out how stupid their choices are on the show and then proceed with the stupid choices anyway lol

    • @yahyah797
      @yahyah797 Pƙed rokem +29

      Yeah I don’t get it because it’s not even entertaining stupid or funny. It’s just completely stupid

    • @Dravianpn02
      @Dravianpn02 Pƙed rokem +18

      @@yahyah797 they're trying to be self aware and mask their mistakes with humor because in their echo chamber, that's what they all do because they can't take actual criticism and everyone just laughs WITH each other and no one is really corrected. This results in what you see.

    • @draykohunter6805
      @draykohunter6805 Pƙed rokem +1

      ​@@Dravianpn02 lamp shading is a technique that many failed to utilize

    • @josuepatino8179
      @josuepatino8179 Pƙed rokem

      And they think they were being based or edgy but they only showed us how salty and butthurt they really were 😂.

    • @WarmLusamine
      @WarmLusamine Pƙed rokem

      “What I’m doing is stupid, I know it’s stupid but I’m gonna do it anyway.” - Mr. Enter

  • @brightenblack207
    @brightenblack207 Pƙed rokem +57

    If they filmed the entire last episode like the spoof, that would mean they wouldn't be doing CGI stuff. It would have to survive off of it's own writing merits. Wouldn't that have been awesome? To make it like a classic 80's show with lawyer elements? If only

  • @charlesbedford7201
    @charlesbedford7201 Pƙed rokem +102

    The whole show is a self insert for the writers until they literally insert themselves into the final episode.
    Everyone had this right when they said it was going to be trash, and that it is exactly what it turned out to be

    • @WannabeWryter
      @WannabeWryter Pƙed rokem +1

      Haters gonna Hate, I found it funny, She hulk used to talk to her writers about the plots all the time in the comic books.
      If it was Deadpool you lot would find it "SO META đŸ€Ż OMG" She-Hulk just the hate-flavor of the month.

    • @mrj1299
      @mrj1299 Pƙed rokem +13

      @@WannabeWryter Are you one of the shows writers? :D

    • @johnstrife7
      @johnstrife7 Pƙed rokem

      @@WannabeWryter default clown đŸ€Ą đŸ€“

    • @captain_malaria
      @captain_malaria Pƙed rokem +5

      @@WannabeWryter I feel sorry for you and your caretakers.

    • @Hinokami777
      @Hinokami777 Pƙed rokem

      @@WannabeWryter oh shutup you feminist literally the only reason you like it is cause it’s a female lead. That’s it. Please tell me what we’re the funny jokes ? I’ll wait. She’s a rip off of Bruce literally all her moves are derived of Bruce but as a sad excuse of it. She literally says “ she hulk smash “ and tries to mock his slogan lol ohhh I’m gonna copy what he does but add in “she” to remind every one I’m a woman and I do it better. She literally told Bruce she’s better than him the second she got powers. This show was set up as an attempt to replace the hulk
 meanwhile all the fight scenes sucky he villains suck and are jokes. Bad fight choreography the highlight of the show was Daredevil lol. You’re Braid dead if you think the writing is good. Writing is so bad the writers made fun of themselves
 as the finale. You can call us haters all you want I rather be that than a d-rider who is delusional

  • @nomercyfilms
    @nomercyfilms Pƙed rokem +664

    I find it funny that the finale was basically the writers calling out their lackluster writing. Being self-aware about your writing problems does not excuse those writing problems. Like what Joe said, if there is ever a second season (which I pray I hope doesn't happen), they need better writers and directors. Let's hope this means there's better writing from Phase 5 onwards.

    • @nobody2996
      @nobody2996 Pƙed rokem +68

      "I intentionally made 90% of the show bad so the last 10% can complain that those episodes were bad."
      "But if most of the show is bad, why would people watch it?"
      "No, no, no. The point... Is that it's bad on purpose."
      "Yeah. So it's still bad."
      "But we're aware that it's bad."
      "That doesn't make it being bad tolerable? In fact, that just makes it worse."
      "I don't think you're getting it."
      "I don't want to get it, it sucks."

    • @uchihabomber1296
      @uchihabomber1296 Pƙed rokem +7

      That is basically what happened the writers being self aware that it’s bad which is very strange

    • @gmualum08
      @gmualum08 Pƙed rokem +5

      I wouldn't hold my breath

    • @psychoalpha2
      @psychoalpha2 Pƙed rokem

      Can't salvage a turd

    • @josuepatino8179
      @josuepatino8179 Pƙed rokem +8

      And yet after all that there are still some people who dare calling male fans "pathetic" đŸ€ĄđŸ€ĄđŸ€Ą

  • @tibedog5629
    @tibedog5629 Pƙed rokem +335

    I don't think I have ever seen AJ so speechless and just betrayed. He went so hard in hopes of just trying to enjoy this show from the start and just episode after episode it crushed him and broke him and now finally he's at a point where he's so dumbfounded and speechless in such a way that I have never seen any other franchise do to him. I can just feel his feeling of betrayal that the show didn't have his back like he tried at first to have its.

    • @joshgamingvlogs5203
      @joshgamingvlogs5203 Pƙed rokem +45

      That’s his own fault we’ve been trying to tell him that the show was irredeemable

    • @Hunterese123
      @Hunterese123 Pƙed rokem +8

      @@joshgamingvlogs5203 but thats the point of the show, i keep hearing this from lovers of the show, it trolled us fans and we fell for it, it was bad n purpose and that is the brillance of it apparently

    • @Revan-eb1wb
      @Revan-eb1wb Pƙed rokem +33

      @@Hunterese123 if that is supposed to be brilliant, then we should stop making movies and tv shows

    • @dragonquest8ftw1
      @dragonquest8ftw1 Pƙed rokem +15

      @@joshgamingvlogs5203 Hey now, in all fairness to Joe, despite his trademark, he's always been one for giving the benefit of the doubt trying to see the good in something rather than always seeing the bad,
      I'll admit this show was a dumpster fire, but Joe gave it a fair chance which is more than what can be said for those that hadn't even bothered.

    • @210rebelboy
      @210rebelboy Pƙed rokem +7

      @@joshgamingvlogs5203 I think his opinion is mildly more valuable because he did try. He's doing a review, and the most honest way to do a review is to put personal feelings and expectations aside and give the show a fair shot. Though people can disagree with his opinion, they can't question his integrity.

  • @georgehernandez2156
    @georgehernandez2156 Pƙed rokem +26

    I was hyped when the show was announced. i was hoping for like a true origin story for she hulk, like what she was like before she transformed. How hulk saved her and the trauma of what Banner did to her by giving her the hulk form. but nooppe. it was everything i didnt i
    think it would be.

    • @The_Sigillite
      @The_Sigillite Pƙed rokem +2

      No, but that would have involved the intrigue of the mobsters going after her, Jen proactively seeking justice for herself and others, and worst of all, Bruce having a character arc!

  • @Anonymous38572
    @Anonymous38572 Pƙed rokem +27

    The writers are exactly how I thought theyd be

  • @OrangesodaTR
    @OrangesodaTR Pƙed rokem +532

    This show has revolved around the writers inserting their own personal gripes and grievances into the script while ignoring the source material from the start. It's almost poignant that they would LITERALLY insert themselves into the season finale

    • @damvid21
      @damvid21 Pƙed rokem +66

      Think of the levels of narcissism it takes to write yourselves into a show with absolutely no foundation whatsoever for doing so.

    • @Nydas
      @Nydas Pƙed rokem

      This was literally carbon copied from the source material.
      You incels are insufferably pathetic.

    • @josuepatino8179
      @josuepatino8179 Pƙed rokem +7

      @@damvid21 kinda like that Obama meme

    • @gorcsauce696
      @gorcsauce696 Pƙed rokem

      What if deadpool did it

    • @xZero9Ox
      @xZero9Ox Pƙed rokem

      Is it the actual writers and not just actors?

  • @morantNO1
    @morantNO1 Pƙed rokem +662

    Can we acknowledge that this episode makes Jen the ultimate Karen? She does not like the situation she is in so she breaks reality to complain to the manager until she get what she "deserves".

    • @toshtao1
      @toshtao1 Pƙed rokem +31

      Like Deadpool? Oh wait, he's a man, nevermind.

    • @MrHellweasel
      @MrHellweasel Pƙed rokem +113

      @@toshtao1 One is funny the other is not.

    • @prof-eon
      @prof-eon Pƙed rokem +94

      @@toshtao1 Deadpool jokes about the plots of his movies, she legit broke out of her show to go talk to the writers and then went to their manager to make demands of changing the plot, these two things are very different

    • @TheLastSane1
      @TheLastSane1 Pƙed rokem +8

      @@MrHellweasel Look we get you see woman as property and not people but you need to seek counseling for your alt-right bullshit. She-Hulk 1 was doing fourth wall breaks LONG before Deadpool was a thing. 2. She literally said to the "Writers" what all the fans and viewers have been saying for literal years. So you are just complaining that the show took the hot air out of your sails so you have nothing to complain about.

    • @TheLastSane1
      @TheLastSane1 Pƙed rokem

      No, because she literally just broke down what the fans have been saying for a couple of years now and being the original character who can break the fourth wall (and yes she did it well before Deadpool was a thing) it makes sense for HER character to notice those complaints. And given that she has literally in the comics done the aside to the writers its actually SOURCE ACCURATE for her to do that. And yes in the comics she has done that many times, fuck half her cases in the comics uses the comics to get people off from being accused. Literally use a specific MARVEL comic to clear her clients name. But you lot are kinda pathetic and if its a woman doing it, its suddenly bad. Your mothers must hate you.

  • @Did_No_Wrong
    @Did_No_Wrong Pƙed rokem +55

    I can not believe that She-hulk solved everything by breaking the 4th wall and acting like Karen.

    • @jamesmayle3787
      @jamesmayle3787 Pƙed rokem +4

      The Bible is truth. Please do these four steps. They have an accumulative healing effect on your soul and will open your spiritual eyes.
      Forgive your parents, break down before Jesus Christ, ask for forgiveness, and read Genesis Mathew and one book of the Bible you chose yourself.
      Please, I know it seems strange, but it is all true. You just need to be genuine. Open your heart. That’s what makes it all click. Especially the forgiveness part. To be forgiven we must forgive. Our parents have generally loved us. They’re supposed to be the easiest people to forgive. It shows something important to God if you do your inner work Jesus Christ laid out. Not forgiving is what keeps Go at arm’s length.
      Please trust me.
      Jesus Christ is Lord.

    • @vicvinegar4540
      @vicvinegar4540 Pƙed rokem +1

      @@jamesmayle3787 đŸ€Ą

    • @valenwood6299
      @valenwood6299 Pƙed rokem +3

      Bruh these bible thumpers are going HARDDD these past couple of years.

  • @elninoson5282
    @elninoson5282 Pƙed rokem +19

    The saddest part is what they confirmed the future of the MCU to be

  • @homas1o1
    @homas1o1 Pƙed rokem +341

    I think what made the last episode so bad was that the 4th wall break ultimately absolved her of learning any lessons or developing as a character at all. Bruce tries to reach her balance and calming techniques in the first episode only to have her invalidate his experiences as her own are SO much more significant. She then goes on a hulk rampage in the previous episode and instead of suffering for her actions, learning from her mistakes and growing as a person, she just 4th wall breaks herself into a win

    • @Orokovet
      @Orokovet Pƙed rokem +7

      that doesn't make any sense. the entire point of the 4th wall break was a visual representation of jumping the hurtle of her character arc that she's been too stubborn to do the whole show. Usually in the comics She-hulks main villain or conflict is the story being told, having her always have to physically talk to the creators of character or the writer of the comic themselves disputing with logistics at the source of the problem what needs to be resolved.
      her fighting away all of the physical bad guys in the scene would've been a complete waste of the episode considering that her biggest strength has always been omnipotence and perception of self.

    • @ALEXACEDEATH
      @ALEXACEDEATH Pƙed rokem +6

      EXACTLY!! I'd say that most of this show is just fighting itself over what it's identity actually is. I think at the beginning they planned it out as a classic law show with some super hero hijinks sprinkled in, kind of like a family friendly Netflix Daredevil, but the show itself got mired between; future MCU plans and references, the meta-commentary and a feminist direction, just wrecked the show and made it confusing and ridiculously messy. I think Tatiana is a good pick for the character, but is constantly being held back by a ridiculous amount of B-plots, that the writers had no idea how to deal with. Disney knows people love Abomination, Wong and Daredevil but just throw them in as if they were checking items off a list.
      In an ideal world this show would've been a classic 2 hour super-hero movie, sum up the first episode in 20 minutes followed by Jen failing to have a normal life and ultimately fusing her Jen and she-hulk personas, just being a sassy fun lawyer while taking down bad guy's from time to time. This show has the same issue the Supergirl show has with Superman, where they're literally just riding the coat tails of their more iconic counterpart.

    • @rangerofalinos
      @rangerofalinos Pƙed rokem +6

      Such a crap take.
      She lost her job, her ability to transform, had to move back in with her parents. Her hulk out in the last episode was controlled as hell, anyone who could have smashed that screen rather than have someone see their sextape would do so. There's also a hilarious irony that if she had smashed through a wall to detain a bad guy you'd praise the hulkness of it all.
      Where an out of control Hulk would have just straight up merced the dude last episode, she grabbed him, saw that the world around her was not condoning her actions and stopped. Like we saw Hulk attack Widow on the helicarrier when he lost it, and she probably only survived because of who she is and Thor intervening.
      She would have learnt nothing as a character if she just then beat up all the badguys after finding them at the end. It was always going to be pursuing it legally, which is why when she jumps the fourth wall the story changes. Fighting the characters would have actually been a terrible conclusion to that arc because It would reinforce the idea that hulk smashing the bad guys is the way to get things done. Which conveniently is the exact thing your ragging on her for having done. Because at one point she made a comment about how she controls her anger more than Bruce does. (That incident with Widow happened 5 years post transformation, where he hid from the world because he couldn't manage himself)
      If She-hulk had the anger problems of hulk, when attacked in the street those guys would be dead, when her car got ruined at Emil's she would have beat the crap out of them.
      And instead of getting angry about the big fight and beating everyone up and then turning them over to the cops afterwards she instead said "Wait this is stupid" and took a path that allowed her to play to Jen's strengths with She-Hulk providing muscle protection. You might not like it, but it did a far better job of letting Jen be Jen than any fight would have. (And if there wasn't a fight or event like this, you'd still be complaining)

    • @-Trauma.
      @-Trauma. Pƙed rokem +20

      @@rangerofalinos What did she learn as a character?

    • @TheRiisingSun
      @TheRiisingSun Pƙed rokem +16

      @@rangerofalinos "She lost her job, her ability to transform, had to move back in with her parents." in TEN minutes worth of the show and then they moved on. She super learned a lesson here X_x

  • @Streggae9961
    @Streggae9961 Pƙed rokem +272

    Critical Drinker summed this show up perfectly. The writers weren't trying to make a Superhero show they wanted to make a breezy comedy about a female lawyer trying to make it in a 'man's world' and that most of the plot points in the show are just a projection of their hang-ups and insecurities as 30 something middle class southern Californian women.

    • @CGCentralHD
      @CGCentralHD Pƙed rokem +10

      I mean yall getting mad at the show for the exact thing they're doing kinda proves its point abit tho doesn't it?
      Even the whole 4th wall breaking is ironic

    • @devildolphin2102
      @devildolphin2102 Pƙed rokem +68

      @@CGCentralHD
      So us being mad that the show is “Intentionally” Burning dogshite, means that we are wrong.
      Dude the Show is bad just admit it.

    • @CGCentralHD
      @CGCentralHD Pƙed rokem +1

      @@devildolphin2102 was reffering to show itself just what was being said as far as 4th wall breaks go

    • @CGCentralHD
      @CGCentralHD Pƙed rokem +1

      @@devildolphin2102 also never said the show was great lol

    • @famousthaneus9810
      @famousthaneus9810 Pƙed rokem +19

      The thing is, there's a way to make that work though. The writers just straight up weren't able to execute it well

  • @zenmindgamer
    @zenmindgamer Pƙed rokem +16

    "The show itself has a message, but I don't think the message landed with this particular audience."
    She-Hulk tried so hard to say something that it ended up saying nothing. It's like when writing an essay your intro paragraph is meant to bring into focus the subject or theme you'll be discussing, so you state issues, concerns, and ideas. Then the thesis statement is written that binds all the issues together into a single, poignant point of address. She-Hulk spent its entire run time touching on issues, poking fun at them, and not taking itself too seriously (as I think part of the point in addressing toxicity?) that it ultimately never actually said anything about the themes it wanted to discuss. Shit just happens to characters, they react, and the episode cuts to credits. It wrote a bunch of fluff, but never made a point.

    • @magvad6472
      @magvad6472 Pƙed rokem

      When you don't understand what was said because you are shut off to it...doesn't mean nothing was said. You'd have to be actually fuckin stupid to say the show didn't make a point.
      She Hulk gets put into a marvel plotting machine, the show symbolically positions what She Hulk represents as it pertains to the female leads relationship with rage and how society percieves feminine anger, and then from that position the finale unpacks how the Marvel machine is unable to pay off the themes of the show BECAUSE of the tropes within Marvel's traditional plot structure. And like EVERY fuckin Marvel property before it...the deep themes do not pay off because Marvel needs you to have a baddy to beat up and She Hulk stops it...and then says it's not about the villains, the incels and mysoginist commentators on the internet, it is about her and how society percieves her. It shouldn't be about THEM...but due to Marvel's trope structure it cannot resolve without being about them being wrong and not simply tell a story about She Hulk. The show is about how Marvel cannot present deep themes precisely because of its limited tools to tell stories. She Hulk as a CHARACTER has always been meta and why ANYONE would fuckin rage in such as childish way as Alex did is TELLING about how deeply unequipped schools are in giving children media literacy.
      But no, ya'll are too fueled with rage to even provide the patience to meet the show on its own terms...probably because ya'll have internalized mysoginy but are too fuckin stupid to even know what that is or how it manifests and be too busy making yourself the victim of feminism to see what you may be doing wrong in all this.
      But I'll just get raged at by 14 year old brain grown ass men who feel attacked and belittled and just somehow pivot how the show is just "dumb" but conveniently lack the tools to enumerate why other than subjective baseless value framing.
      The shit take machine of the internet keeps on turning and even when the show POINTS IT OUT ya'll just literally prove the show right.

    • @zenmindgamer
      @zenmindgamer Pƙed rokem

      @@magvad6472
      Yeah, that's not it, chief.

    • @magvad6472
      @magvad6472 Pƙed rokem

      @@zenmindgamer then "what is it, chief"....because it seems like it might just be going over your head and if you admit it's something as basic as what I said you might be coming off like a liar or someone who can't read basic themes.

    • @zenmindgamer
      @zenmindgamer Pƙed rokem +2

      @@magvad6472
      Honestly, I think you totally didn't understand the essay analogy. I didn't say there are no themes in "She-Hulk"; the themes that are there simply go nowhere. So this will be my last long-form reply unless you have something intelligible to say, like what themes you thought were complex and thoroughly explored.
      Overall, I'd say "She-Hulk" is about self-agency. There's not an episode that goes by where people aren't restricting Jen because of who she is, what she is, and what her career is, and she gets shoehorned into a lot of roles that are beyond her choice: she's turned into a Hulk by accident, she's fired from her job for doing the right thing and unceremoniously put in charge of what's essentially a freak-show department at her new firm, and she's constantly undercut by guys in her sex life who are into She-Hulk but not Jen. The first episode sets up this conflict of recognizing agency when Bruce tells Jen that she'll need to be responsible for her anger, to which she blows up that she, and women like her, are already masters of their anger because they need to measure their interactions on a daily basis. The show had an excellent theme established right there that could have been explored as Jen not having that level of agency she believed she already did.
      There's a lot going on that tries to challenge her agency throughout the season, but then doesn't follow-up with any consequences with those sequences that challenge her. At her friend's wedding Jen is told not to transform into She-Hulk because it will ruin the bride's day, the bride herself is an absolute monster whose toxic behavior causes employees to quit so she dumps clean-up duty onto Jen, further attacking Jen's agency. When Jen finally does transform Jen doesn't call out her friend's toxic behavior and there's no penalty on her friend's behavior - if anything she's rewarded as she gets to claim being buddies with She-Hulk.
      Then we have Jen undercutting her own agency and lamenting about it. If "She-Hulk" is about self-expression and self-agency then those themes are undercut by Jen's dating life. Jen constantly complains that she can't get a man to be committed to her, though advertises her profile like an easy sale for a one-night stand. If "She-Hulk" truly wanted to say something groundbreaking they could have let her be a horny player, but acting like one and chasing after men for a sense of fulfillment directly contradicts her self-agency that the show is trying to establish. There is absolutely nothing wrong about a woman who enjoys playing the field, but don't double-back on that behavior by having the main character act shocked she can't find a guy who wants to commit to her.
      Unironically, my favorite episode is actually the therapy retreat. This is the closest Jen gets to realizing that she's been letting other people control her agency and undercut her sense of authority over her life and desires. It's honestly a great episode for anybody who does get hung-up on people easily that they need to remember that we aren't defined by the people in our lives, but that they are companions. I honestly didn't expect Emil Blonsky/Abomination to have genuinely insightful wisdom. This episode is the closest that "She-Hulk" gets to stating a thesis statement that ties together the rest of Jen's experiences thus far.
      However, this is undercut in the finale, and Emil Blonsky himself no less, when Emil is acting as a motivational speaker to an incel group. Abomination, the dude whose entire message is about taking responsibility for one's actions and not letting the world project or define your role in it, is whipping up these incels to recognize their problems stem externally and to rectify that. Jen's own development arc is thrown out the window as she defaults to the know-it-all attitude she showed with Bruce in episode one as she confronts K.E.V.I.N. What we do agree on is that if the finale had resulted in a massive battle it would have played exactly against the themes, because it's forcing Jen to act as a fighter, however even this would have been a better ending because we see Jen clearly distraught that she's no longer allowed to become She-Hulk so this is a statement of her choosing that power, choosing that agency. As the lawyer I genuinely wanted Jen to take Intelligencia down the legal route, but all that is thrown out by a lowering of the curtain and a new set reveal. Jen goes on having gotten her way in every single thread the finale setup, but without actually having done the work to make it so. One can say that happened behind the scenes when Marvel fixed the show's conclusion, which I get is the meta of the 4th wall, but to have so sloppily handled the context of the theme up to this point "She-Hulk" could have benefitted from an episode with some actual sleuthing.

    • @user-ms5tq1dh7i
      @user-ms5tq1dh7i Pƙed rokem +2

      @@zenmindgamer bro, appreciate the work, beautiful essay, but you made 1 HORRENDOUS mistake by thinking that these defenders can even read.

  • @jbmheat
    @jbmheat Pƙed rokem +34

    I loved this ending cause it’s over, the pain and suffering is over. Thank u she-hulk I’ll never forget u ❀

    • @narusora1
      @narusora1 Pƙed rokem +4

      This ending has legitimately made me excited for WHATEVER marvel comes next. I need to wash the taste out of my mouth idc if its with toilet water at this point

    • @norouziman8748
      @norouziman8748 Pƙed rokem +1

      @@narusora1 are you excited for the next marvel project because it's Black Panther 2 and as we all know if you're white you can't watch it thankfully for me I'm middle eastern so I'm not allowed to watch it I swear to God that's what's going to be said on twitter

    • @narusora1
      @narusora1 Pƙed rokem

      @@norouziman8748 LMFAO im black. That movie is for marvel's strongest representation of blacks but it is open for everyone to watch and enjoy haha. Don't be discouraged!

    • @norouziman8748
      @norouziman8748 Pƙed rokem

      @@narusora1 see I have this feeling just a feeling that the actress will pull a brie Larson and claim that the movie is for black people only and honestly if I could trust marvel to make good movies and shows then I would give it a try I managed to watch The Room without turning it off so that's saying something

    • @narusora1
      @narusora1 Pƙed rokem

      @@norouziman8748 I feel you, they've made great movies before and black panther 2 looks promising; and lmfao that'll happen, I wouldn't give it any attention hahaa

  • @trlavtf5828
    @trlavtf5828 Pƙed rokem +86

    This show progressed Joe through several stages of grief, from Angry Joe > Bargaining Joe > Depressed Joe

    • @DarkDodgers
      @DarkDodgers Pƙed rokem +5

      You forgot acceptance. He accepts that this show is garbage :)

  • @ThePiachu
    @ThePiachu Pƙed rokem +267

    The worst part about the finale is that with the 4th wall break you don't know what really happened after the changes. Did the guy turn into the Abomination? Did the guy steal She-Hulk's blood? Did She-Hulk get put in jail for assaulting people and getting the ankle monitor so she can't turn into She-Hulk? Did she violate the parole by turning into She-Hulk? How did the guy survive the 'lethal dose of gamma radiation that the Banners have a genetic mutation against'? Like, what even was real in the end?

    • @expressrobkill
      @expressrobkill Pƙed rokem +17

      No she retconned it. I thought that was pretty obvious. Guy that shamed her got arrested and then she was absolved of her crimes, look its dumb, just like the entire series. And as a she hulk fan its annoying but who cares its a badly written show it wont get good ratings. No point complaining about it.

    • @Chuppa75
      @Chuppa75 Pƙed rokem +18

      She pulled a Karen.

    • @budgiecat9039
      @budgiecat9039 Pƙed rokem +9

      @@expressrobkill "no point in complaining" is probably right lol. The more people complain, the more MCU doubles down thinking theyre in the right and continueto make dumb shit. They actually turned the critics into villains in this show, then they ironically turned themselves (the writers) into villains, then even more ironically, had Jen, the indirect mouthpiece of the writers (until she faced them) talk about how bad the MCU has become and they shitted on the classic characters and Kevin Feige himself. Wtf happened here lmao

    • @davidalpeter9963
      @davidalpeter9963 Pƙed rokem +4

      @@expressrobkill why are you all acting like she murdered 1,000s of children... she broke some flat screens and stopped some dude clearly dressed as a bad guy for a few seconds. What do you want, her to do a 5 year stint in prison for that?

    • @phillyphilly_lii6441
      @phillyphilly_lii6441 Pƙed rokem +2

      @@expressrobkill but she LITERALLY slept with a dude that stole her blood and ghosted her. Did that not happen now? Lmao But let’s just film a bunch of stuff, then at the end say, we duck, and that’s the point! So if you hate it because we wanted you to have it we hate you! Makes TOTAL SENSEđŸ€Š

  • @psychoboyjack285
    @psychoboyjack285 Pƙed rokem +18

    Alex: "OH YOU DIDN'T LIKE MY SHOW? YOU'RE AN INCEL"
    Joe puts his hand on his face realizing he was one of those people.

    • @fuzzypanda1684
      @fuzzypanda1684 Pƙed rokem

      Joe is slowly realizing what the woke agenda is and why it's the worst thing ever created. He's finally putting it together that 99% of the people who hate this crap aren't neckbearded incels but regular people who hate woke politics. It's taken him forever but he's rounding the corner.

  • @KniveLing
    @KniveLing Pƙed rokem +4

    Angry Joe loves the She-Hulk show. I remember when he stuck up for this show like he was the biggest White Knight in the realm.

  • @tubguinace
    @tubguinace Pƙed rokem +168

    I was sure they'd make Jen apologize to Bruce because he was right the whole time, she can't control her anger. I thought her whole arc would be she learns to accept her hulk powers and get a slice of humble pie, letting Bruce train her like she should have from the start.
    But no, in the end it was just, everything needs to revolve around her, even if she has to literally bend her reality for things to go her way.

    • @supraaznpride
      @supraaznpride Pƙed rokem +8

      I mean it is her show, why wouldn't it revolve around her? Which show did you think you were watching?

    • @tubguinace
      @tubguinace Pƙed rokem +44

      @@supraaznpride By "revolve around her" I mean that everything has to be perfect for her, she doesn't have to apologize for anything or deal with the consequences of her actions. Everything bad that happens to her is framed as not her fault.
      Even in the end, they let her off the hook for destroying private property and putting a whole audience of people in danger just because the reason she got angry was justified. As if Bruce didn't get in severe trouble for getting angry for legitimate reasons.
      And it's not like they didn't know the reason she got angry was legitimate from the start. What changed? She caught the guy who triggered her anger, cool, so what? She still put people in danger.
      The world has to bend over to make her happy ending, she doesn't really learn anything, there is no arc other than her ending up liking her Hulk powers, but there's no growth beyond that.

    • @supraaznpride
      @supraaznpride Pƙed rokem +1

      @@tubguinace Well the tone of the show was a lighter one on purpose so of course the reactions to her hulking out ain't quite on the same level as the Norton hulk with him fighting against the military and destroying whole cities. Plus in this universe now, powerful beings are dime a dozen and half the population can die at anytime anyways. But it's mostly the tone of the show, which is sillier than any marvel stuff before it. If they were going for a dramatic action show sure they would've sent in the US army for her and she would've learned her lesson the blood and guts way.
      Jen's character felt more relatable as a reluctant hero all the way to the end. Should she have suffer a major lost and sacrafice at the end with an epic battle and really learn how to be a real hero just like the hulk? I mean if it was trying to do that, but I don't think they did so it then comes down to if you think the MCU is so sacred that it can't deviate from the formula at all. If you're on that camp then yeah She-Hulk is like what the f are they doing?
      But if you enjoy the fun silly stuff and relieved that after 20 years of the same-ish stuff they can take things not so seriously then there are little problems with the show itself. It's not perfect even in that regard, but if you try to watch the She-Hulk as if it were any other Marvel property you can find TONS of things that are wrong.

    • @gunkid6368
      @gunkid6368 Pƙed rokem +2

      just like in the comic book named after her and about her

    • @OmegaZyion
      @OmegaZyion Pƙed rokem +38

      @@supraaznpride If you want your characters to be relatable to the audience, you don't make everything revolve around them. Relatable characters react to the world around them much like how we react to the world around us. If you make it so that it is the other way around where the world is reacting to the character, it become completely unrealistic to the viewer and makes it impossible for anyone to relate to the character because in reality the world does not revolve around us.

  • @MsOpportunity68
    @MsOpportunity68 Pƙed rokem +71

    This seems to be a case of the writers trolling the fans who they see as toxic because they dare to criticize them.

    • @RedFrog_191
      @RedFrog_191 Pƙed rokem +2

      The marvel fans are toxic, they are literally talking about the fans that exist

    • @RedFrog_191
      @RedFrog_191 Pƙed rokem

      @AnonymousNoname they definitely will

    • @ash072
      @ash072 Pƙed rokem +2

      @AnonymousNoname Feige signs off on everything. He knew what the show was and green lit it. They will work again.

    • @mstrikesback168
      @mstrikesback168 Pƙed rokem

      Thou shalt not question or criticize those that rule over you or else! Just look at Kayne.

    • @NeroLeMorte
      @NeroLeMorte Pƙed rokem

      So hollywood in a nutshell.

  • @paulmaloney4387
    @paulmaloney4387 Pƙed rokem +3

    Crazy how they made the MCU writers and Kevin into lifeless, product peddling villains when in reality all of MCU Phase 4 has been a deluge of lifeless products

  • @3rdResonance
    @3rdResonance Pƙed rokem +26

    “I don’t know how to finish this story, oh let’s play the fourth wall card and everyone will think I’m genius.” Really makes Captain Marvel look great by comparison.

    • @MagumoKawasaki
      @MagumoKawasaki Pƙed rokem +1

      No. Captain marvel is still the worse. I honestly rather deal with She hulk then Captain Marvel. At least Jen Tries to be funny and likeable.. Captain Marvel is just boring and bad. I had one reaction with CM when I finished watching it. Wtf was that? At least with Jen I laughed a few times.

    • @woodcutte330
      @woodcutte330 Pƙed rokem

      @@MagumoKawasaki are u guys refering to ms marvel or captain marvel?

    • @MagumoKawasaki
      @MagumoKawasaki Pƙed rokem +1

      @@woodcutte330 Captin marvel, is horrible in the MCU. Ms marvel, is at least charming in her own fan girl way. Just sucks that she stans the worse Hero.

    • @NetBattler
      @NetBattler Pƙed rokem

      @@MagumoKawasaki that is your opinion

  • @Vulgarth1
    @Vulgarth1 Pƙed rokem +128

    The only reason they broke the fourth wall so hard in this episode, is because they already broke the other three walls and all the load-bearing pillars.

    • @treytison1444
      @treytison1444 Pƙed rokem +3

      They did it because the writers had no idea what to do

  • @Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r
    @Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r Pƙed rokem +510

    This episode is proof that just because you can do meta commentary doesn't mean you should. Especially if you're a writer that's not good at writing comedy....or anything good in general.

    • @MarkHarrison-bo3kf
      @MarkHarrison-bo3kf Pƙed rokem

      Yeah, the show needed more dragons and incest!

    • @AndreNitroX
      @AndreNitroX Pƙed rokem +3

      Well said

    • @luism2754
      @luism2754 Pƙed rokem +13

      Even Abed new that you can't go too meta. There is a limit to how meta you can be

    • @kingexplosionmurder3764
      @kingexplosionmurder3764 Pƙed rokem +19

      Meta humor is fine up until it breaks your investment in a show.

    • @summer7603
      @summer7603 Pƙed rokem +13

      Not everyone can be Deadpool
      She hulk in the comics did it but not anymore Disney rejects ruin characters for their ego boosts

  • @DeverHB
    @DeverHB Pƙed rokem +62

    Joe having hope for this show and then getting this is just heartbreaking lol.

    • @john_squatson
      @john_squatson Pƙed rokem

      I wonder if he still stands by his shit opinions of earlier episodes

    • @johnnypopstar
      @johnnypopstar Pƙed rokem +1

      Or from an alternate POV, Joe starting out as a normal boy but then letting the Barrage Of The Incels get to him from the comment section every week, now *that* is heartbreaking

    • @john_squatson
      @john_squatson Pƙed rokem +8

      @@johnnypopstar oh you mean people that were absolutely right?

    • @johnnypopstar
      @johnnypopstar Pƙed rokem +1

      @@john_squatson no, because they weren't. It's only this manosphere crowd that hate this show this much.

    • @john_squatson
      @john_squatson Pƙed rokem +7

      @@johnnypopstar sure, sure... I'm sure everybody else just loves it

  • @cabbage4891
    @cabbage4891 Pƙed rokem +16

    The purpose of this show was never to entertain, it was to stick it to the fans (aka customers). What a time to be alive.

  • @CrimsonFIame
    @CrimsonFIame Pƙed rokem +429

    The fact that Twitter likes it is even more proof this finale was horrendous

    • @vietimports
      @vietimports Pƙed rokem +1

      so the ajs's job is to watch the show. what's your excuse?

    • @clos24
      @clos24 Pƙed rokem +34

      Twitter? Nah just mcu fan boys that like cotton candy bs so most of Joe's fan base to be honest.

    • @Jones-ke6bt
      @Jones-ke6bt Pƙed rokem +15

      ​@@vietimports he never said he watched the show. maybe he's looks up clips on youtube. or watches reviews so he doesn't have to lose brain cells.

    • @GrooveStreetss
      @GrooveStreetss Pƙed rokem +32

      @@vietimports You don't need to watch the series all the way through to know it's garbage at this point

    • @MarkHarrison-bo3kf
      @MarkHarrison-bo3kf Pƙed rokem

      Those are just idiots who know the actual comic. Smart people who never read the comic hate the show.

  • @Thleepricon
    @Thleepricon Pƙed rokem +219

    I love how they wrote as a plot point in the finale that the writing and character choices during 8 episodes were done intentionally bad so they could have the climax be a cluster of bad choices so that she-hulk can break the 4th wall and fix it, like a get out of jail free card for them not knowing how to write the character or what to do with it, but instead they just made nothing matter except a few minutes at the end of the entire series

    • @yahyah797
      @yahyah797 Pƙed rokem +36

      The idea was creative but should’ve happened like in the 2nd or 3rd episode, like you said they just used it as a get out of jail free card instead of it being a funny or meta 4th wall break.
      It was just stupid and them excusing terrible writing is what it felt like.
      Felt like they knew the show sucked but didn’t have time to fix it so they smacked this on at the end as a “haha we did it on purpose!”

    • @alexdasliebe5391
      @alexdasliebe5391 Pƙed rokem +14

      “Every minute you’ve spent was a meaningless nonsensical waste of time, join us for season 2!”

    • @Revan-eb1wb
      @Revan-eb1wb Pƙed rokem +1

      @@yahyah797 the idea was creative??? What? Lol

    • @Nomadic_Gaming
      @Nomadic_Gaming Pƙed rokem +4

      @@Revan-eb1wb this episode was a “own” to “the trolls and haters” and just became an effigy to their own wokist shitbaggery and how fucking shit they are
      theres nothing meta about this
      its something they did late into people giving reactions to the series becausw they are fart huffing snowflake loons
      the series could of been glossed over or just forgotten or maybe salvaged later w mcu tie in or next season w dif writers
      but this last episode was an insult to everyone and admittance they hate the character and fans

    • @Revan-eb1wb
      @Revan-eb1wb Pƙed rokem +1

      @@Nomadic_Gaming the show is embarrassing in every way. And by the way, you hit the nail on the head

  • @vanheath5382
    @vanheath5382 Pƙed rokem +9

    Message of the show “hey ladies you can be like Jen
..Rude, Narcissistic, alcoholic, promiscuous, unprofessional, unintelligent, damage property, and try to murder people you’re mad at

and get everything you want without earning it and have no consequences to your actions”

  • @dojelnotmyrealname4018
    @dojelnotmyrealname4018 Pƙed rokem +2

    Honestly you can say "right for the wrong reasons" all you want, but no. This show was exactly what those people said it was going to be. They were the right reasons. Not only was it bad, it was predictably bad.

  • @lacanidjion
    @lacanidjion Pƙed rokem +454

    Alex was the voice of reason through the entire series.

    • @WhitneyAllisonGG
      @WhitneyAllisonGG Pƙed rokem +7

      Agreed wholeheartedly

    • @caseybrown9054
      @caseybrown9054 Pƙed rokem +15

      He had the best take on the show overall.

    • @garrettviewegh677
      @garrettviewegh677 Pƙed rokem +27

      He’s usually the more critical one on the group when it comes to reviewing films and video games, and that can be refreshing compared to Joe’s straightforward take on some franchises. They all bring different views to a review.

    • @bobbye7353
      @bobbye7353 Pƙed rokem

      Sober Mouth Joe has high enough estrogen that he was actually able to enjoy the show.

    • @jacob4920
      @jacob4920 Pƙed rokem +7

      Which is funny, because I usually hate that Alex is so "brutal" toward shows that I actually think are good. But this time around, I was actually looking forward to him tearing this show a new a$$hole.

  • @Fungster117
    @Fungster117 Pƙed rokem +162

    The best character ark was seeing Joe come to realize we were right.

    • @tomfoolery7797
      @tomfoolery7797 Pƙed rokem +13

      Honestly I kinda wished we weren't, I was hoping the first episode would be the worse one and they would actually give proper character development like Joe thought they would do.

    • @JahlisMan
      @JahlisMan Pƙed rokem +5

      @@tomfoolery7797 yeah, 'cause that's what a show's supposed to do. even in sitcoms there's room for character growth. but nah, that's... sexist to them, I guess? saying a female character is flawed and should learn something, I mean. I've been off Twitter for 2 years, but I bet there's arguments like that.

    • @ignis2023
      @ignis2023 Pƙed rokem +2

      Slight correction, "Right for the wrong reasons."

    • @NeroLeMorte
      @NeroLeMorte Pƙed rokem

      We were always right he's just too busy smelling his own farts not to see it. Now he got proven wrong as usual. Nothing new rinse and repeat.

    • @tomcoop9750
      @tomcoop9750 Pƙed rokem +2

      @@ignis2023 nope. We were right because we saw the misandry from episode 1. đŸ€·đŸ»â€â™‚ïž

  • @LiveSilence3
    @LiveSilence3 Pƙed rokem +5

    I feeling I got from this show was like an evening at an expensive restaurant that ends with a mass food fight and the person who stated it was not banned or arrested. The police and the restaurant owner instead cheer and say well done to the person for achieving something great but we don’t who what it is the person achieved leaving both the patrons and staff left wondering how the food fight started and it came out of nowhere.
    Basically I was left confused and lost after watching she hulk and i started questioning my own sanity and purpose in life. A marvel show or movie shouldn’t make me feel depressed and confused.

  • @iamdadof2178
    @iamdadof2178 Pƙed rokem +22

    I love the silences in this. I couldn't talk about this entire season this much. After this last episode my 6 year old looks at me asking what happened to the hulk and abomination fight. And I just looked at him and didn't know what to say

  • @spycheck
    @spycheck Pƙed rokem +63

    "I wanna speak to your manager!" That's what the climax built up to.

    • @saiyaniam
      @saiyaniam Pƙed rokem +3

      I've seen loads of feminists types loving the show, pretty sure it's made for that type of woman.

    • @captbuckyohare5585
      @captbuckyohare5585 Pƙed rokem +3

      @@saiyaniam Did they actually watch it though? Or are they just liking twitter clips and clapping along?

  • @H2Zv1
    @H2Zv1 Pƙed rokem +31

    Perhaps we treated Ms Marvel too harshly.

  • @Cryptosifu
    @Cryptosifu Pƙed rokem +13

    You guys are better than me. I couldn’t make it through the series. Episode 4 was my end. God, the show was absolutely awful. 😂

  • @NeoDeXeno
    @NeoDeXeno Pƙed rokem +5

    Thank You Alex for clarifying that it's not the CZcamsrs with fair criticism, it's some of the "fans" who are going to far.
    Honestly I haven't watched She-Hulk but it sounds like Bruce Banner basically non-anesthetically got neutered and spayed, and then Tim Roth I really liked him in the Edward Norton Hulk but I'm sad about this, and for Tatiana Maslany "seemingly" trying her hardest with what she had.

  • @theJuicmanisbak
    @theJuicmanisbak Pƙed rokem +615

    When reviews are better than the actual show... and longer đŸ™ŒđŸœđŸ™ŒđŸœđŸ™ŒđŸœ

    • @rebel4466
      @rebel4466 Pƙed rokem +19

      Being better than she show? Doesn't say a whole lot. Watching grass grow would be more interesting

    • @MarkHarrison-bo3kf
      @MarkHarrison-bo3kf Pƙed rokem +1

      Yeah, I wish the show was longer too.

    • @theJuicmanisbak
      @theJuicmanisbak Pƙed rokem +2

      @@rebel4466 they're both green, bet it'd be hard to notice a difference 👀

    • @theJuicmanisbak
      @theJuicmanisbak Pƙed rokem +4

      @@MarkHarrison-bo3kf if it was an hour, that'd be approximately 270 extra hours of suffering.
      If I can be truthful, I only saw twerking, "infinitely better than you!", and the whole Daredevil episode... Enough to let me know this show is an actual waste of time.

    • @jakemixd
      @jakemixd Pƙed rokem +1

      @@theJuicmanisbak I agree!

  • @thebonk7138
    @thebonk7138 Pƙed rokem +141

    Instead of Shehulk I've been watching the AngryJoeShow and recently one of the main characters has gone through a huge character arc learning from his mistakes and being humbled. But also sort of apologizing and actually recompensing for his actions in earlier episodes. Honestly the writing here was done perfectly and had me laughing a bunch of times through out much of the AJS. 10/10 highly recommend 👌

    • @draykohunter6805
      @draykohunter6805 Pƙed rokem +9

      Self reflection, humility, growth?
      Blessed be, a human being🙏

    • @functionatthejunction
      @functionatthejunction Pƙed rokem +6

      " learning from his mistakes and being humbled. "
      I dont know, Alex still seems kind of arrogant to me.

    • @derbananenkonig4985
      @derbananenkonig4985 Pƙed rokem +2

      @@functionatthejunction maybe because you don't agree with him? That doesn't mean he is arrogant

    • @tehbeernerd
      @tehbeernerd Pƙed rokem +1

      Tune in next MCU show for another season of The Hamster of Disappointment!

    • @NeroLeMorte
      @NeroLeMorte Pƙed rokem

      Best redemption arc.

  • @crushinnihilism
    @crushinnihilism Pƙed rokem +2

    I love that the internet has manipulated people into thinking virgins are the most of evil of demons.

  • @riveraharper8166
    @riveraharper8166 Pƙed rokem +58

    The homage to the 80s Hulk show was good indeed.

  • @slavmagician2898
    @slavmagician2898 Pƙed rokem +156

    I haven’t watched a single episode of she hulk but I’ve tuned in for every review just to see the pain in the lads eyes

    • @quesokelso5425
      @quesokelso5425 Pƙed rokem

      Nice, Lucky you, I haven’t seen the last episode and I don’t plan too.

    • @SirDave1988
      @SirDave1988 Pƙed rokem

      Same 😂

    • @emiliosanchez9406
      @emiliosanchez9406 Pƙed rokem

      Lol 😂 i

    • @tracycantrell3751
      @tracycantrell3751 Pƙed rokem

      I actually watched the first episode and have not watched the rest but have been watching the reviews for the exact same reason these reviews are definitely better than the actual show lmao

  • @theproceedings4050
    @theproceedings4050 Pƙed rokem +53

    Fuck, I love Alex's take every time. It's just "this shit is fucking stupid as fuck don't watch it". He embodies my vitriol.

    • @jamesmayle3787
      @jamesmayle3787 Pƙed rokem

      The Bible is truth. Please do these four steps. They have an accumulative healing effect on your soul and will open your spiritual eyes.
      Forgive your parents, break down before Jesus Christ, ask for forgiveness, and read Genesis Mathew and one book of the Bible you chose yourself.
      Please, I know it seems strange, but it is all true. You just need to be genuine. Open your heart. That’s what makes it all click. Especially the forgiveness part. To be forgiven we must forgive. Our parents have generally loved us. They’re supposed to be the easiest people to forgive. It shows something important to God if you do your inner work Jesus Christ laid out. Not forgiving is what keeps Go at arm’s length.
      Please trust me.
      Jesus Christ is Lord.

    • @mahaffer71
      @mahaffer71 Pƙed rokem

      So in conclusion the fans were right. She hulk was as bad and sexist as every single one of them predicted.

    • @ssj4rit
      @ssj4rit Pƙed rokem

      @@jamesmayle3787 no

  • @SourRobo8364
    @SourRobo8364 Pƙed rokem +4

    You hear that? That's the sound of I told you so.

  • @orlandowright2323
    @orlandowright2323 Pƙed rokem +2

    If Blomsky has to go back to jail for breaking the terms of his parole by turning into The Abomination, why is Jen free?. She had the inhibitor as well and she turne into She Hulk. This is one of many issues with this very flawed show.

  • @PhilHug1
    @PhilHug1 Pƙed rokem +70

    What does every character is this show (especially Jen's friend) come off like a cartoon character? Matt Murdock felt like the most real person of the entire show

    • @numberoftheword
      @numberoftheword Pƙed rokem +7

      Because it is a live action cartoon, it's deliberate, in fact the show would have improved if it was animated.

    • @Phanthief95
      @Phanthief95 Pƙed rokem +4

      Or maybe, and hear me out on this, it’s a live action version of a comic book.

    • @renemartinez3451
      @renemartinez3451 Pƙed rokem +9

      @@Phanthief95 Have you read any good comics in the past few decades? They're far more fleshed out and "real" than any of the characters presented in this live-action show. Most good comics will know when to turn down the goofiness for balanced storytelling. Even the She-Hulk run that this series is "inspired by" knew when to tone down its comedy for character growth or conflict. Instead of regurgitating excuses for a billion-dollar corporation's vanity projects, maybe educate yourself and read the source material you claim to be a fan of.

    • @Jesse_aM21
      @Jesse_aM21 Pƙed rokem +6

      @@Phanthief95 or maybe, and hear me out on this, it’s a garbage version of a live action version of a comic book.

    • @LTV746
      @LTV746 Pƙed rokem

      @@numberoftheword He had more vision than the writers

  • @goodnesswhy
    @goodnesswhy Pƙed rokem +420

    And then there's Twitter where people are absolutely loving this ending...

    • @deandredunbar9618
      @deandredunbar9618 Pƙed rokem +67

      I know right wtf. I keep seeing people talk about how awsome the ending was.

    • @SaintPepsi57
      @SaintPepsi57 Pƙed rokem +24

      Twitter moment

    • @ahmedkhanfar4314
      @ahmedkhanfar4314 Pƙed rokem +18

      @@deandredunbar9618 well they can have opinions right?

    • @cesarparedes6103
      @cesarparedes6103 Pƙed rokem +62

      Twitter is not a real place

    • @65firered
      @65firered Pƙed rokem +43

      Do you think people on Twitter wouldn't take the opportunity to lie out their ass out of spite? They're clearly lying anyone who watched it knows that, which is par for the course on Twitter.

  • @MrBergste
    @MrBergste Pƙed rokem +5

    I'm a simple minded, easily entertained Marvel shill and even I have to admit that the finale to this show was garbage. It was so bad it left me utterly speechless.

  • @Ralathar44
    @Ralathar44 Pƙed rokem +5

    You went from a 40 minute rant video arguing your audience to a 3/10. I'm sorry Joe, we all got to see you go through the stages of grief...including denial and angry and sadness and now you're just at acceptance. It sucks. And as much as I hate to say it, Picard was bad but it was at least interesting bad. It stirred emotions even if it was just hate or sadness. She Hulk inspires nothing except boredom and mild annoyance and that's the most damning thing of all.

    • @BenHeckHacks
      @BenHeckHacks Pƙed rokem

      The slow motion red-pilling of AJS has been interesting to watch.

  • @Blaster00745
    @Blaster00745 Pƙed rokem +75

    This series literally broke me I can't even-
    They took everything they where building up and then blend it all into one huge piece of sh!t thus wasting all of our time it's Amazing 😂

    • @joeparrigen4982
      @joeparrigen4982 Pƙed rokem +4

      It ruined my day because it pissed me off.

    • @truefitness2622
      @truefitness2622 Pƙed rokem +2

      It's stunning and brave

    • @mr.goodboi2780
      @mr.goodboi2780 Pƙed rokem

      It literally destroyed the whole Marvel universe being in it's own thing. In maybe another show/universe, with like better characters, this would have been great, but this is the entire MCU. What a joke.

    • @YouTubeChannel-iq5to
      @YouTubeChannel-iq5to Pƙed rokem +1

      Do you think other shows are more real than this one? Rofl

    • @sourballs1248
      @sourballs1248 Pƙed rokem +2

      Why do you keep watching the shows and wasting your time when they consistently put out things that you don’t like

  • @gyran300
    @gyran300 Pƙed rokem +20

    Really appreciate your honest reflection man, kudos for owning up to why you changed your opinion based on what you actually saw instead of hoped for. Big thumbs up because 9 out of 10 times I can trust you guys on what to watch and buy. Felt really weird when She Hulk and Rings of Power got positive numbers at the start even though we saw soo many red flags. Meaning I should give it a chance instead of a pass.
    Really solid how you guys do the reflective ranking based on consuming the whole show.

  • @mrchrislero2288
    @mrchrislero2288 Pƙed rokem +25

    Alex: the villains of this show are the writers
    😂😂😂
    100%

  • @shinkicker404
    @shinkicker404 Pƙed rokem +56

    This 4th wall break into the writers room joke could have worked, if it was in the 1st or 2nd episode, early in the season at the very least, especially if it did result in an uptick in the quality of the story. Like it would have been an incredible bait and switch. Get people setup for something, the character is like "Yeah no" goes and tells the writers to shape up or ship out, and boom we get something a bit more cohesive and fun, and not like... dunking on men and other things or that nature. Could even have had a recurring gag at the end of each episode where she is sitting in the writers room or something having a drink with them or with the 'actors' of the characters in her show.

    • @210rebelboy
      @210rebelboy Pƙed rokem +1

      It could've worked in the last episode if the rest of the season was really good, and the hodge podge of several storylines coming together in the end in a nonsensical way was entertaining and satisfying. It would work even better if Jen completed her growth by episode 8, so the hodge podge of storylines that would be resolved by a visit to the writers wouldn't appear to undermine that very growth. As of yet, it appears Jen hasn't had a significant arc, and some are saying the twist ending absolves her of having to grow or change at all. Instead, if by the end of the show Jen was more akin in personality to her comic book counterpart, the 4th wall break would've worked perfectly, because it would be in celebration of the source material rather than shitting on it to troll fans. It would be like "OK, the She-Hulk we all love is finally here." This is all my opinion of course, but I really think the idea isn't bad, it's the execution.

    • @captbuckyohare5585
      @captbuckyohare5585 Pƙed rokem +2

      Like if they did it right at the end of her rant at Bruce where she invalidates him, makes herself the ultimate victim, and then tells him he's a victim and his life is shit?
      See if she'd have stopped right there, blinked, shook her head and asked "Whoa... what the hell is wrong with these writers?" and went on her writer's room rampage and took the show in a different direction that could have been chef's kiss.

    • @jxchamb
      @jxchamb Pƙed rokem

      It's like it was written by somebody who doesn't understand how to be meta. It's a fine line between clever and stupid.

    • @210rebelboy
      @210rebelboy Pƙed rokem

      @@captbuckyohare5585 couldn't agree with THIS more, now that I think about it.

    • @210rebelboy
      @210rebelboy Pƙed rokem +1

      @@jxchamb I could hold up a sign that says "This sign is meta" and it would be more meta than this.

  • @thedayofquicksilver6930
    @thedayofquicksilver6930 Pƙed rokem +3

    I can't believe she sleeps with 3 men in 9 episodes. If The Hulk did that I'm sure it would be called out by women, calling the Hulk a womanizer. What does she-hulk teach young women?

  • @nyranstanton203
    @nyranstanton203 Pƙed rokem +6

    i read the comics form the 80's and they were actually really cool, cool stories, interesting arcs and i dont iknow why they didnt just use the comic stories. They were miles better.

    • @kanden27
      @kanden27 Pƙed rokem

      Well, obviously the new writers knew better


  • @puddingcatsteamboat6393
    @puddingcatsteamboat6393 Pƙed rokem +96

    as i said somewhere else doesn’t this ending actually troll the few fans they actually cultivated over this season who defended them and said it was well written, by having She-Hulk herself say it was written poorly all along? the writers love trolling so hard they trolled themselves.

    • @Rally351
      @Rally351 Pƙed rokem +3

      It’s the ‘Funny Games’ or ‘Freddy got Fingered’ of the MCU, there really is no other way to explain it. It had to be a big middle finger to “Kevin.”

    • @mittensfastpaw
      @mittensfastpaw Pƙed rokem +6

      Ya, I liked some of the series but this was a piss off. They literally wrote the cringe into it on purpose for this ending. Dragged down the rest of it all
 for this!

    • @lopeshick9607
      @lopeshick9607 Pƙed rokem

      Out of all the reasons I fell in love with the MCU as a kid, it attempting to school me on modern social commentary isn’t one of them. The idea of this show is so wildly uninteresting to me I haven’t even bothered to watch it. I guess it kinda sucks this is what they’re spending time and resources on but oh well I no longer care enough to be mad.

    • @CGCentralHD
      @CGCentralHD Pƙed rokem

      I mean yeah they took jabs and joked about everyone even feigie himself

  • @mingalinger
    @mingalinger Pƙed rokem +121

    I'm so glad you guys didn't like it. I've read so many good reviews for this episode and I thought I was going insane!!

    • @Ko700el
      @Ko700el Pƙed rokem +23

      11/10 -ign

    • @Phyrrax
      @Phyrrax Pƙed rokem +39

      Now you know who the Marvel chills are and whose opinion you can avoid.

    • @nishantshade668
      @nishantshade668 Pƙed rokem +26

      When I saw the finale and how people were praising the episode, even i thought that I am losing my mind but then to restore my sanity I watched the Incredible Hulk movie.

    • @leecameron9226
      @leecameron9226 Pƙed rokem +9

      This final episode was good the problem is the rest of the show is garbage so it's feels so out of place because I actually laughed in this episode but something in me feels uncomfortable for enjoying it because it started to be funny in the last episode and actually kinda clever but everyone on that writing team should be fired embarrassing

    • @MumboJumboZXC
      @MumboJumboZXC Pƙed rokem +33

      @@leecameron9226 the final episode is not good lmao. The only “good” thing is that it’s over

  • @Jordan-ob7nz
    @Jordan-ob7nz Pƙed rokem +12

    Joe is too proud to apologize, but you can tell he has regrets. It was a big L moment to lash out at his own audience, and over this stupid show of all things.

    • @Trocify225
      @Trocify225 Pƙed rokem +1

      Imagine needing or wanting an apology from a person on the internet lol

    • @Jordan-ob7nz
      @Jordan-ob7nz Pƙed rokem +5

      @@Trocify225 Nah, don't need anything, just an observation that Joe should embrace a mistake. Just like your parents embrace you.

    • @psychoboyjack285
      @psychoboyjack285 Pƙed rokem +2

      @@Trocify225 no one is telling him to apologize. What people are saying is that, once again, Joe eats his own words after lashing out.

    • @schizzo8959
      @schizzo8959 Pƙed rokem

      @@Trocify225 The dude made a whole video after the first episode making fun of his own audience just to defend this trash.
      He should eat his words for that.

    • @jamestyler3606
      @jamestyler3606 Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci +1

      Unlike you, the man was willing to give the show a shot. Did it suck yes, but at least the man went in with a wait and see approach and didn't flip out immediately. I swear the anti-sjw crowd is as soft and at times more than the sjw crowd.

  • @Korijenkins1414
    @Korijenkins1414 Pƙed rokem +2

    Who greenlit this? How was it made? We hear a lot about Marvel being controlling of their directors, many of whom are veterans in the industry, so I can't fathom they gave these activists playing at writers so much leeway to come up with this ending. Feige really signed off on this?
    This is the Dark Phoenix of the MCU. A complete waste of time and energy to watch it. Even Hawkeye had more weight to it, more purpose, and it was a damn Christmas show.

  • @katinahoodie
    @katinahoodie Pƙed rokem +104

    you cant have a good character arc when your character is already perfect and isnt held accountable for anything.

    • @Gonzora
      @Gonzora Pƙed rokem +12

      I already had this feeling while watching Captain Marvel. Yes Disney/Marvel, it's cool to make strong characters but you also have to make them endearing and fallible. Without that they don't even look human and if they can defeat everyone there's nothing interesting to tell.

    • @OccamAsylum
      @OccamAsylum Pƙed rokem +1

      @@Gonzora people loved Cap because despite his strength, he was so human. He wanted more than he had and got way more than he bargained for.

  • @blaster915
    @blaster915 Pƙed rokem +149

    The meta joke parodying the 70's hulk show was honestly the best thing they have done all season.

    • @blaster915
      @blaster915 Pƙed rokem +5

      @@Ian-fy6lc you're not wrong

    • @RGBeanie
      @RGBeanie Pƙed rokem +1

      No! There is no good! Only tears!

    • @-Zakhiel-
      @-Zakhiel- Pƙed rokem

      Dangling keys...

    • @_ripVanWinkle_
      @_ripVanWinkle_ Pƙed rokem +4

      It wasn't a joke or parody they deadass copied and pasted that original intro that's why it was great

    • @-Zakhiel-
      @-Zakhiel- Pƙed rokem

      @@_ripVanWinkle_ Let's call it a pastiche. Or an hommage.

  • @WinterSoldier37
    @WinterSoldier37 Pƙed rokem +5

    Thank you!! I tried giving the show a chance, but they were so focused on targeting the Incel crowd that they neglected to write a good show for the rest of us

    And like you said, to those incels patting themselves on the back about being right the show sucked, it was not because of the reasons you hated it from Go!

    • @tomcoop9750
      @tomcoop9750 Pƙed rokem +1

      I think they were right. There was misandry in this since episode 1. đŸ€·đŸ»â€â™‚ïž

  • @Stryder_0
    @Stryder_0 Pƙed rokem +4

    Alex's face says it all.
    Edit: Tbh, I didn't make it passed episode 1. In that first 20 minutes I realized it wasn't for me and completely stopped watching. Shame. I really like She-Hulk as a character and wanted to see her grow as a hero. What could've been, hm?

  • @voidastralbirth
    @voidastralbirth Pƙed rokem +91

    I’m not mad she broke the 4th wall like that, cuz I’m sure she did that in the comics to some extent.
    ...i AM extremely mad with the way it played out.

    • @65firered
      @65firered Pƙed rokem +20

      That's the ONLY thing about her character they took from the comics. She's pretty much the opposite in many aspects.

    • @Dullsonic3
      @Dullsonic3 Pƙed rokem

      Oh I did not expect the Astral Birth Void to be here. Hi!

    • @Jack_Ss
      @Jack_Ss Pƙed rokem +6

      It’s a fun moment but the fact that it ACTUALLY CHANGED ruins the entire show even further. Because the rest of the show meant nothing if there were no actual consequences or stakes. The idea that she breaks the fourth wall and realizes that despite things being messy she needs to deal with them and work through them because sometimes life is tough and unfair could’ve been interesting. But instead they went the exact opposite route

    • @Phanthief95
      @Phanthief95 Pƙed rokem

      To some extent? She always does it in the comics! Does no one in this comment section do a Google search?
      She’s been doing it longer than Deadpool has!

    • @thebonk7138
      @thebonk7138 Pƙed rokem +1

      ​@@Phanthief95 and look at the reception to Deadpool and the reception to shehulk and tell me with a straightface who is more of a beloved character and is actually funny.

  • @SoldierSpiderx
    @SoldierSpiderx Pƙed rokem +147

    They really trolled us with that hulk vs abomination fight 🙄 and They could've at least gave skaar all his hair

    • @skull2470
      @skull2470 Pƙed rokem +18

      they didn't even make him gray

    • @ATthemusician
      @ATthemusician Pƙed rokem +8

      He looks like he has his hair pulled back, after looking at it again

    • @Username18981
      @Username18981 Pƙed rokem +11

      they gave him male pattern baldness

    • @briankeys5941
      @briankeys5941 Pƙed rokem +1

      How can u get trolled by a show u don't even watch lol... wait, PLEASE tell me no one is ACTUALLY wasting their life on ANYTHING Disney has put out since before phase 3

    • @SoldierSpiderx
      @SoldierSpiderx Pƙed rokem

      @@skull2470 that even worst

  • @BigNasty21
    @BigNasty21 Pƙed rokem +8

    This was a very interesting way to show that the writers were incompetent

  • @EzBreezy750
    @EzBreezy750 Pƙed rokem +162

    I just love how Alex expressions are how you tell how bad it’s going to be

    • @AndreNitroX
      @AndreNitroX Pƙed rokem +1

      Agreed love these guys

    • @ThrghmyEyeZZ
      @ThrghmyEyeZZ Pƙed rokem +1

      Or you can watch and form your own opinion

    •  Pƙed rokem

      ​@@ThrghmyEyeZZ sometimes it's better yea but most of the times reviews are helpful in helping you save your time, otherwise everyone would waste their time with every piece of shit movie or show ever

  • @obie-1309
    @obie-1309 Pƙed rokem +16

    The mark of a bad writer? Saying the quote, "But it'll be unexpected and subvert the audience's expectations!" 😁👍
    The minute I heard one of the writers say that during that writer's room scene, I was like, "Yeah...that explains it all." Let me tell you right now, if you want to be a writer, that is the WORST advice to follow.
    Subverting expectations doesn't mean be random! And that is EXACTLY what this show was as a whole. RANDOM. Things happen, just because! Nothing connects! Nothing was achieved! Almost none of the characters are likeable! And nobody, and I mean NOBODY, NOT A SINGLE CHARACTER had an ARC! No one grew! No one learned anything! Much less the show's lead.
    Worse still, there's a line where Jen states that things like plot don't matter, only story does (in this case Jen's story and growth). That is NOT TRUE!
    Where did whoever wrote this go to school?! You CANNOT have story without a plot! You need both otherwise the story doesn't work! It's like saying that the human body can live with only a heart but no brain or a brain but no heart. You NEED both there to function!
    What's even dumber too, is that Jen says this but neither she nor others have a story because no one has an arc. Jen doesn't have an arc, she's the same person she was when the show started. Okay, does she at least influence everyone else leading to a change in others? You know, akin to say Goku from Dragon Ball where he doesn't change, but he causes a positive change in others or like Paddington bear, where he positively influences others around him as well. Nope!
    Pug, Nikki, Bruce, Daredevil, Ms. Book (the other lawyer lady), Titania, Emil, Wong, hell the writers even, does anyone in Jen's circle change or grow as people? NO! They're all the same character they were when the show started. (Okay, Pug sort of changed, but not because of Jen or anything, I guess they just changed him willy nilly as they needed him).
    No, forget the man hating stuff (that stuff was expected out of this show). This show is simply awful because it's horribly written. How these talentless, unclever, uncreative hacks managed to get work is beyond me!

    • @kotlolish
      @kotlolish Pƙed rokem

      Agreed subverting expectations is not a terrible thing in reality if done well.
      But subvert for subverting sakes is bad.
      it's like putting in a plot twist for plot twist sakes.(Hey Shamalan)
      If you want to put in a twist or subversion you gotta either put in SUBTLE HINTS or such things.
      It takes alot of talent to pull that off...
      I just notice when I talk writing and I put in a simple twist, people love it and I am like: "No it's simple.. it needs more work"
      Then when I make a huge lore or twist appear with a whole story...it's like "neat"
      When I feel something is wrong and I ask for critism or things.. I don't get it.. I hear: "I love it don't touch it" while I feel something is wrong with it.
      If this is what happens in writing in general... no wonder we get terrible writers... and no wonder people don't critize anymore.

  • @pacoramon9468
    @pacoramon9468 Pƙed rokem +4

    Making an ironic bad ending is still making a bad ending.

  • @Fastestmanalive313
    @Fastestmanalive313 Pƙed rokem +7

    I love how they set up a lot of plots then don't pay it off with something awesome

  • @seamkeen8441
    @seamkeen8441 Pƙed rokem +62

    There’s a certain type of self awareness that people should never stoop down to. The writers went further down

    • @65firered
      @65firered Pƙed rokem +3

      @@EggEnjoyer Also, that's apparently the only thing they know about her character.

    • @seamkeen8441
      @seamkeen8441 Pƙed rokem +1

      @@65firered true

    • @seamkeen8441
      @seamkeen8441 Pƙed rokem

      @@EggEnjoyer self awareness is fine if it’s done in a subtle and moderately humble approach. But this just took it too far

  • @nathancrossen2224
    @nathancrossen2224 Pƙed rokem +16

    If this whole fourth wall break and changing the storyline had happened in the second or third episode it could have been really good. For example, when the Wrecking Crew shows up and tries to take her blood Jen could have turned to the audience and said "Seriously? Another 'villain steals the hero's powers and creates another version of them' plot? No. Not in my show."

  • @treytucker7404
    @treytucker7404 Pƙed rokem +3

    The Finale for me was just the writers saying "we know you're Aware we aren't trying so here is something thats more self Aware than anything you've ever seen in the MCU." Then they probably patted themsleves for coming up with something so clever but lets be honest its just one big F-U in diguise.

  • @riveraharper8166
    @riveraharper8166 Pƙed rokem +1

    I think Deadpool once visited the writers too. But he basically killed them as I remember.

  • @aarongothier2650
    @aarongothier2650 Pƙed rokem +34

    I really wish they would have done an actual lawyer show where she had to use her knowledge of the law to defend heroes and beat the actual intelligencia

    • @luhedi6303
      @luhedi6303 Pƙed rokem +14

      That would take talent.

    • @draykohunter6805
      @draykohunter6805 Pƙed rokem +4

      ​@@luhedi6303 they'd have to know what laws are

    • @mittensfastpaw
      @mittensfastpaw Pƙed rokem +3

      This is what I wanted. Not the old fourth wall breaking comics but the competent lawyer she became in the comics. Then the later her Hulk powers going out of control in modern times. Wasted potential all over.

    • @Fuzzycat16
      @Fuzzycat16 Pƙed rokem +3

      That would take actual writers.

  • @CookingwithDave.
    @CookingwithDave. Pƙed rokem +65

    Didn't watch a single second of this show but have been here for every review and I feel like that was time much better spent.

    • @ThrghmyEyeZZ
      @ThrghmyEyeZZ Pƙed rokem +3

      Or you could watch the show and form your own opinion

    • @uchihabomber1296
      @uchihabomber1296 Pƙed rokem +3

      @@ThrghmyEyeZZ A lot of She Hulk haters don’t know what that is for some reason. So they just learn from reviewers for every thought on the show

    • @CookingwithDave.
      @CookingwithDave. Pƙed rokem +7

      @@ThrghmyEyeZZ nah

    • @Ouroboross-
      @Ouroboross- Pƙed rokem +9

      Yeah I’m not interested in watching this garbage either.

    • @cortesacrawford
      @cortesacrawford Pƙed rokem +1

      The daredevil part was mostly good. Not Daredevil in ep 9, that was stupid. Ep 8 Daredevil.

  • @thalunizz21
    @thalunizz21 Pƙed rokem +3

    It's funny in am ironic way, how some think they're better or "smarter" than others because they find some humor to be dumb and beneath them.