US BUYS 81 RUSSIAN JETS
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Could be partially or completely false according to the update: www.businessinsider.com/claims-us-buying-soviet-era-aircraft-from-kazakhstan-likely-false-2024-4
Remember, this was discussed on the show last Monday. We are not a news channel. We discuss what's already out there. The article above says Kazakhstan denies a transfer to Ukraine, but it is still unclear whether the U.S. bought them. The Pentagon denied comment according to this article. We'll probably discuss this on the next show. @themoverandgonkyshow
The idea that the US is sponging up parts for Ukraine's overtaxed air fleet is most probably true. How public they want that information to be is something else. Kazakhstan is still well within Russia's orbit. Medvedhev has even made threats against it due to what many russians see as their "disloyalty" to Moscow.
Did you see where SecDef was grilled by congress on why only 29% of F-35’s are mission capable?
Yeah, just cause the Kazakh's are denying it, doesn't mean much to me. It's not like they're incentivised to tell us anything other than what their bosses want us to hear.
It's false. It's more than the Kazakhs actually own. They don't even have any Mig 31's.
If the Pentagon denies it's probably true lol
"This is Vladimir, my neighbor. He is pain in my a-holes! I get a missile - He must get a missile! I get a drone - He must get a drone! I get an F22 - He cannot afford. Great success!"
This is my sister ....
Wa wa wee wa
congrratulations i read this in Borat's accent. Great Success!
FYI Borat was shot in eastern Europe. Kazakhs don't look caucasian... nor Jewish
@@hgyuuuuhj098 This is correct. It was shot in a village named Glod in Romania.
Ethnic Kazakhs may not look Caucasian, but there are many other people living in Kazakhstan who ARE caucasian and there are Jews living there too.
“MiG-28s ! Nobody’s been this close before…”
Dude when I heard that I literally LOL'd. Comic gold!
"I was inverted"
@@sancocho1718 “You know, … the finger…”
@@baomao7243 Iceman: "coughs-bullshit"
I knew it was real!
The thumbnail is absolute gold
Great Success! High Five!
@@artnull13 yeah!
Verrry niceeeeee!
That thumbnail is so Aladeen
“Russian pressurization…” Boeing says, “That’s what we’ve been saying too!”
😂
You must have a screw loose...just like Boeing's airliners. 😉 Nah, just kidding, theirs are usually missing entirely, not just loose. Boeing's new motto: "Oh geez, it'll be fine! 🙄"
@@rbrtck it could be “what whistleblower I see nothing?”
😂😂😂😂😂
"Very nice... HIGH FIVE!!!!"
--- Borat Sagdiyev ---
"Much success for the US and A!" 👍
Great idea!
Top Gun instructors get to work one day and their CO says, "Go out to the flight line, I think you'll be pleased."
It would actually cost more to fuel these for one flight than it cost to buy them, when I look up the fuel capacity and do some quick math lol.
FOR REAL! Plus, when you look at the costs of doing a hot section inspection on the engines, overhauling them, the ejection seat, etc., pretty soon you're talking REAL money!
I don't think Ukraine flies Mig-31s, but Russia does. Now they can't get these spares.
This.
But they can still manufacture the parts.
@@Bob10009 I think this is easier said than done for them. Russia's biggest import prior to their historic goof was machine parts.
@@Bob10009 Possibly. But the time and resource costs are much higher. A prebuilt part costs only a fraction and doesn't divert your manufacturing base from producing other, more useful and modern equipment.
Exactly. Low dollar control of strategic resources.
Low hanging fruit. Makes sense, even if there are workarounds.
You can't even buy a new car for that 20k in here where i live. lol
Cars these days, are more technical than those planes. If they added any parts from a modern car, to those planes... it would be an upgrade. lol
I wonder what the condition of the planes is?
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@@DEP717 Scrap?
@@DEP717 they are probably not running. I bet they use them as decoys. Set them up on air strips to draw in the enemy, for an easy turkey shoot. Or they are just for parts. ...I like this decoy thing myself. lol
This is the stuff that old fighter pilot’s dreams are made of.
We bought them because it's better that we have them than someone who we don't want to have them.
excatly, remember that kazachstan helps russia in conflict
We _ALSO_ bought them for some false-flag operations that are coming up.
We didn't by those jets. This story is fake. The Kazakhs released a statement saying, "The information disseminated on the internet [about the fighters] is not true... " The Air Force can't even afford to fly the F-35 and F-22 the number of flight hours that they were supposed to fly a year, so spending the money to fix up a bunch of derelict is out of the questions (there were jets for sale, but they were apparently in such poor condition that they were not worth fixing. )
@@TROOPERfarcry your tin foil hat is too tight…🤦🏻♂️
@@Bob10009Lol Wearing a "tin foil" hat is a badge of honor nowadays considering how many "conspiracy theories" have been proven to be true lately. UFO's and vaccine injury come to mind, so jokes on you, Sport. It sounds like you could use your own "hat". Then, you might not make ignorant statements on the internet. 😉
Another possibility is to keep them out of Russia's hands.
Even if they’re just spare parts well worth it at at that price tag.
Good for opfor for training
@@GOD719 I doubt any of our pilots would wanna these
@@GOD719 They are not going to spend that much money on these for OPFOR training.
@@ironnads7975 20k per plane is pretty cheap. Missiles cost more. And there have been sightings of F117s flying again. They might be using them as training for "enemy stealth planes" Which the F117s and F16s are way more expensive.
That price seems to me less than the scrap value of the aluminium in them.
And if it is MiG-31, there is a lot of Titanium. Like gold. $20k per sounds very unrealistic.
The engines alone are worth over 20K a piece
A old head (rest in peace sir) that my dad worked with (SR71, U2, -135) was one of the first crew chiefs on the Mig-21/23 said they were great planes to work on. They weee able to fly several sorties/day and easy to maintain
I had a neighbor who was stationed at Beale and worked on the blackbird back in the 80's.
Russia did get some of their design doctrine right - low maintenance and assume the worst: unprepared fields with only minimal services available. Make the SIMPLER and FREQUENT repairs very easy.
From what I've heard, that wasn't the case with the east German mig-29's (short service intervals etc., engine in particular) - which is why they went first to Poland, then to Ukraine.
@baomao7243 wasn't the mig 29 not more expensive than the su 27 long run because it was so expensive to run?
@@WeAreLegion1904 Like communism, “stated goals and actual results tend to diverge.” 😉
purchasing a "vehicle" is cheap,
owning it is expensive...
That, in a nutshell, PERFECTLY characterizes aviation.
Russia can't buy them for spare parts.
The Russians don’t need the parts the Ukrainians need them, the Ukrainians were extremely good at rebuilding and upgrading these aircraft, there own unfortunately didn’t have the latest electronics and radar and that’s why they can’t fight with the Russian fighters. They simply are outranged in radar and missiles.
Russians can and do machine their own parts.
@@Rob-vv5yn Not many planes over Ukraine. They are getting shot down
@@GOD719 yip both sides don’t fly over Ukraine !!, it’s still air denial zone with sniping over the borders but the Russians can get closer
No they arent, Russians conduct 200 sorties a day. Get a clue @@GOD719
man 20k for a MiG 29 i‘m gonna take it!
I wonder how much I could get for £90,000
Theres some people breathing heavily in the Nevada desert right bow
Back then jets were fast not just invisible 👍🏽🤠
That book is Red Eagles: America's Secret Migs by Steve Davies.
I just got a signed copy of the paperback edition, pre-ordered a few months ago.
He has a CZcams channel too: 10 Percent True.
Loads of inteviews with pilots, well worth anybody's time.
Any firefox?
Clint Eastwood got the last one.
The Firefoxes are hangered with the MiG-28s.
@@Rob_F8FMig 47 buddy! 😊
Only Opera GX and EExplorer
Around 20k for a fighter jet? How do i get in on that sale?
They would’ve gotten more on eBay. But maybe this was a Groupon…
"Where are we gonna fly these things?"
"To Space." I love this channel
There used to be an "Edge of space" thing in Russia where you could pay sit in the 2nd seat of a Mig 29 2 seat trainer as it flew to 20KM in altitude. czcams.com/video/PEH8iLjlodM/video.htmlsi=xW24W2HD6l4zFQce
"Blinken shaking hands with... Kazakhstan..." what weirdly constructed sentence. He's at 300th handshake, only 17.5 million citizens left
Mig 31 for under 20k? But it probably costs 30k an hour to fly.
Mig 27 and 29 pretty cool as well (27 just a ground attack modified Mig 23)
There was a counter story to this post a while ago. No export was allowed and it needs to be disposed under Kazach control; so I'm not too sure it happened
This entire 'story' was debunked over a week ago. The aircraft have to be scrapped in place. They're not going anywhere. The price reflects the scrap value of the aircraft only.
The story came out of a Ukrainian newspaper that didn't bother to check the details..
they sold them as scrap.
@@dogsnads5634 straight up, ukrainian news is dog water when it comes to getting actual info, so dont bother. I mean news in general nowadays is dogshit but ukraine is the worst culprit
The first slide of that presentation evokes the only reasonable imagery of robocop TV:
'I'd buy that for a dollar'
UAF doesn’t fly Mig-31s so maybe the -29s are for parts and the 31s are for Red Air
Sadly probably not. The cost of maintaining the -31’s would be astronomical, easily worth a couple squadrons of F35 funding. Maybe they’re for study, I’ve not heard of the Air Force getting g a hold of Mig 31’s before.
@@drewski5730 they got a mig25 many years ago a 31 one is an upgraded version, it’s not like you can dog fight in a 31 it’s a stand off platform really.
@@Rob-vv5ynstill be useful to take a look at it even if it’s an older model especially if they haven’t had the chance to look at one yet.
@@HankyInTheTanky sure I agree
The ejection seat alone is probs 10 times what the jet is worth
U ok there, buddy?
I am sure out of 81 aircraft they could make a few of them flyable ... I suggest they said they where "for spares or repairs" for "legal" / Arms export reasons ..
But then they updated yet again saying the claims are likely false.
Fake story. The Kazakhs released a statement saying, "The information disseminated on the internet [about the fighters] is not true... "
@@shenmisheshou7002after a phone call from the Russian ambassador?
@@artnull13More like after a call from the CIA acquisition officer.
I heard somewhere these jets will be used in UA as a decoy.
I personally saw 11 Mirage F1 fuselage with wings on separate tractor trailers , very well wrapped , but very much Mirage F1s . A few months later Combat Aircraft Magazine had a long piece on these new aggressor airframes . Then the Trotskyites took over and then crickets .
Cheap jets, but for individuals the disassembly and shipping would pretty expensive and you probably need three jets to make one decent one. Plus the costs to strip and overhaul and good luck getting any manuals for the maintenance.
These two buying these jets kinda reminding me of the car rental scene out of Days of a Thunder 😄
$20K? That's basically the scrap metal tariffs, isn't it?
My favorite line in there was "Blinken shaking hands with ... Kazakhstan" (2:40). The difference between Air Force and State Department in a nutshell. ;-)
I really appreciate the reservation of certain information. It shows your integrity as an officer .
Draken, ATSI, Top ACEs, etc. were providing more advisary air support for dissimilar ACM and Red Air a few years ago. It is on a lower scale now with more support for JTAC training, I think?
Yes and most continue to provide support for the missions you mentioned. Draken and Atac are flying missions almost everyday. Last May Draken was supporting 4th Wing F-15Es while Top Aces supported a multinational Operation at Langley. ADS B will show the various East Coast Ops much of the time. Draken is also active in the UK.
So really curious, what book are you referring to?
Might be good to read…
If you do manage to get a jet, I believe you promised me a go.
I just had to come here and say I think this is the best thumbnail I have ever seen. Ever.
Habitual Line Crosser is going to have a field day with this one.
Now we just need some DCS developers to pretty-please ask for some time with them, and a look at any manuals they got with the jets, and just maaaaybe we can get another Redfor module or two out of it. ;)
They answered the "parting out" ad on Craig's.
I got 20k, I live in LA, do they come with ammo?
We might see them in dcs someday
Best Episode ever, like two teens ready to steal a Fire Fox
Having some inventory of Mig31 would be awesome.
Why would you be afraid to say Constant Peg?
OSI
Mooch says it all the time. BUT....... Area 52? Now that's when you need some extra care.
Because they do not have doughnut ? 😂
Not worth the risk of a phone call to nag them about it.
Very nice!!
I want in on this action. But reserve me a two-seater, because Ima need someone to fly me in it.
You must eject from the backseat of someone else's jet or it doesn't count
The ad said: "Zis airplen ran when parked"
A bomber for 20K is a steal !
To get one from Northrop, it's 20 Billion
Great all-weather capability too, ie they can be left outside in the sun , rain or snow
I got a $30 garden gnome that can do the same!
…and they have been !
Time was, back in the early-mid 1990s you could walk into a disposal yard in Czechoslovakia or Yugoslavia with $50k and come out with about 1/2 dozen MiG-21s and all the parts. It was more expensive to pay off the Customs guys to fudge the books so you could get 'em home. The Chinese were selling off MiG-15s and -17s by the handful. Some rich guy bought a bunch of -15s and the Chinese were so anxious to deliver them that they forgot to remove the guns and ammo. That was an awkward Customs moment in the port of Long Beach...ATF got a phone call when the Customs bubbas cracked open those shipping crates....
Neither Czechoslovakia nor Yugoslavia existed by 1992. You're confusing them with ex-soviet republics which did such things with their air forces. Matter of fact, ex-Yu countries were buying those aircraft from ex-Soviets, not selling them in the middle of bloody wars. Most notably Croatia, who got around 40 of those MiG-21s.
@@doimus Sorry but you could not be more wrong! Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia were not part of the USSR or ex-soviet republics but independant (communist/socialist pre 1989-90) countries. They were part of the warsaw pact however.
Every ex-communist euro country post 1990 was like a giant military surplus store. Short of ships, everything was for sale. Even in thrift markets in the middle of Moscow you could find what you wanted! Getting it passed airport security and customs was an other story!
@@fredericlepeltier3435 You've misinterpreted my comment, I've never mentioned them being Soviet republics. Also, Yugoslavia was never a member of Warsaw pact. But Yu itself dissolved in a series of rather messy wars in the 90s and now independent states were in fact *buying* weapons, not selling. Croatia bought most of its 40+ MiG21s from ex-Soviet republics. It also bought most of its transport and attack helicopters from Russia, through Ukraine, Mi-8s brand new in 1993 (and "returned" back to Ukraine just a few months ago). Never sold anything of that. Serbia even less. Macedonia also bought quite a few Mi24s and Su25s from Ukraine. Point is: nobody ex-yu sold anything to anyone in that period. Croatian Migs were cannibalized for thirty years, winding down to only 8 in flying condition, down from more than 40, and are finally being replaced by Rafale as we speak.
MiG21s are still in use in India and Pakistan, having shot down F16s. They are much faster than F35s.
@@user-nu7kk4uw6k The lesson since Vietnam is that fighters almost never fly much faster than mach 1 for any length of time in combat. For one thing, while a Mig-21s top speed exceeds that of an F-35, the (short-legged) Mig-21 could only maintain that speed for a minute or two (literally) before running low on fuel.
That is why post Gen4 fighters don't emphasize top speed and don't make the sacrifices necessary to get a high top speed. It just isn't useful.
As far as Mig-21s shooting down F-16s, I am not familiar with the conflict but could imagine that happening. Of course, a well flown F-16 would consistently eat up a Mig-21 in a "fair fight" but there are lots of "unfair fights" in the air and otherwise.
Maybe I'm wrong but my understanding is, included in any arms-selling contract is a clause that said arms cannot be provided to a 3rd country without the consent of the original seller/manufacturing country.
Well, that seller country was the Soviet Union that's now defunct. And don't forget all the now independent republics like Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Poland, the Baltics, Czech Rep etc all contributed to the fiscuss and ingenuity of everything that came out of the Soviet Union. So Russia cannot solely claim the rights to anything Soviet since it was a collective efforts from all the now sovereign States.
@@tboydot1 That's a valid point though it's a wide variety of machinery and maybe that is not relevant in all cases, I couldn't tell.
But I've heard no reaction from the Russian side to this so perhaps you are right.
They certainly didn't take very kindly to Greece handing over their S-300s to Ukraine even though Greece is trying to do it coverttly and pretend they haven't.
Pretty cute to think paper rules will stop a transfer. Hahahahaha…
I wonder if they might be fixed/sold/used for 'private' flight training schools. The test and experimental flight training school near me has a few older jets like the L-39 which fly weekly over my place...
"For 15 grand I'll just ride that thing on in" 😂😂
3:34 is that it will run reference? Some of my co-workers were there when that happened they saw that cloud of smoke
Not to mention, the US has a whole arsenal of Russian weapons stored in Alabama. Including tanks and jets.
Mig 29 cockpit only would make a great setup for a vid game.
"who's got the least amount of gas loses" Lol!
If the MIG 31 is up to date it would see everything.
I don't think it is, soviet union collapsed in 91, I think the 31m was after that
@@k.h.1587 In that case it's big radar is probably better at giving you cancer than drtecting anything.
the Navy also used the F-16N, supposedly the Hot Rod of the F-16s
You had me at Borat
So how long have these planes not been in the air?
One way pillotless decoys or just part donation, they are cheaper than the shipping costs.
I agree with Gonky, and also what as important is tactics they would use against us, which is very important, especially with the MiG-29's having the irst, unless that's past tense now.I didn't catch if they were all flyable or not.
40 yrs. ago I read a book about the cold war going hot and an air-war over Asia. The theme was the Rooskie Mig could fly with a crew of 3 or 4 on the ground, a tool box with baling wire in it, land and take-off on a wheat stubble field, while the US jets required swept runways, a ground crew of 18. Maybe the Air Force needs to back-engineer a jet they can use over Asia? Maybe they're working on an option to invade Asia that does not include nukes? Anything that makes sense ain't an option.
these old airframes probably have a higher ready rate than our f35's
Borat: Nice
The name of said book is Red Eagles, and I own a copy of it.
Epic thumbnail!
Imagine the tech leap for US Air Force.
But - did they get the Service Manuals and the spare parts? Won't go to far too fast without all the good stuff !
It would be interesting to have Ward Carroll on the show to discuss the 81 jets too…
Spare parts for the "Adversarial Program" they may or may not still have.
Does the package include Borat Sagdiyev?
3:13 These are later problems. I'm using that from no own
How will they refurbish them?
I’m hoping some can be made into drones to draw the most expensive AA.
Borat voice: “I likeee”😂😂😂 💀💀
Coathanger here, little duct tape there, splash of paint. Good as new.
so table has turn this way 😂
Man they can send 1 MiG-27 and MiG-31 along with a SU-24 to the National Museum of the United States Air Force. They could add them to their MiG and Sukhoi collection.
Buying that many airframes is different that buying flight ready aircraft.
where can i fly those things? answered like a kid would " to space =) that thing is fast!"
"My Fulcrum"...
Maverick will be pleased! Now there can be real props for Top Gun 3!
Don’t see much aggressor use for them due to stealth and bvr missiles. More likely parts and decoys. 20k decoy for cost if 599k plus medium and long range missiles sounds like a good deal
Very nice, US&A !
Imagine striping it to the airframe repowering them with the latest american tech.
It's a plane, not a car
These are super old, their airframes are probably not even airworthy anymore.
Like putting lipstick on a pig. Its still a pig.
@@Laerei strip it down to the airframe -> fix airframe -> replace everything russian with US parts -> reinstall all the panels -> test it
4:28 *Hi, Phil Swift here for Flex Seal!*
I think those jets were so cheap because they were basically unflyable. Would be cool if a few get donated to the US Airforce's museum though, I assume they don't have a MiG-31
would any of these planes still have value as part of a strike package? or would it just be an obsolete way to get your pilots shot down/killed?
When the USSR collapsed, the US (and other nations) purchased any and every weapon system Russia would sell. That included torpedoes, ZSU-23 AA systems, missile systems, tanks armored personnel equipment of all types, ECM / ECCM equipment, MiG-23s, 29s, Su-27s, torpedoes, anti-ship missiles, etc.
Well, I got the $20K.Is it ok if I put a MiG 29 up on blocks in my back yard?
We need to buy these two guys a two seat F16 to both make them happy and for the comedy value 😂
Probably commissioning a new aggressor squadron