Is It Worth It To Buy A Box Of Commander Masters? A Magic: The Gathering Premium Product Review
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
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Are you sure about a Friday stream again? Last time we destroyed the entire WhatNot platform....
I had one question, Professor.
Is this give away for any country or just the United States?
@@dcrow9650 On the start of the cideo he said he will ship anywhere in the world he is allowed to do so
Is the giveaway US only?
Has What Not updated their infrastructure so your stream doesn’t break their site again? Lol.
Ngl I thought this was gonna be a 5 second video where the prof just says no and ends the video 🤣
Dang it, I click and was gonna comment something similar
If video length wasn’t a big factor in how much money he makes it probably would have been
I was hoping that. I really love when he pulled that one
I thought this too lol
He likes talking too much to do that 😜.
Remember - this is not a premium product. Just the price is.
no... it is still a premium product...lol
@@beliffywu5804no wizards of the coast said it wasn't. That they never said it was.
@@beliffywu5804 it really isnt
@beliffywu5804 no, it is not. can you show me where wotc said it was premium? (you should understand these are jokes mocking a wotc employees comments not serious)
@@beliffywu5804 It is not.
We're reaching the point where magic products are unironically becoming more expensive than Warhammer 40k ones... what a time to be alive
I've just zenithal primed my Space Marines from the Leviathan box. Best 150 euros ever spent, it's already been hours of fun assembling and priming and I've yet to paint and play. Safe to say I got my money worth.
It's nice to know that you'll be getting what you're going to enjoy. For about the same price as Leviathan you can get 4 collector boosters and then who knows if there will be anything you actually want. With 4 packs the odds seem pretty low.
seriously who plays warhammer? bunch of lame people I guess....
@@beliffywu5804Not that I care much about my own "lameness" but what kind of hypocrisy do you need to embody to say this in a comment section about trading card game addicts?
@@francisserpa4465did a double take when I realized you wrote boosters, not bundles. It's easy to get price blind when looking at hobbies, but jez
In Canada set boxes are 600$
Sorry fuck no, I’m buying a PS5
cards last almost indefinitely, a PS5 around 10 years of substantial use, but the latter is still a better investment.
I mean you can say that but unless you've a library of ps4 games you'll still be paying more money for games
@@marcoottina654 What are you talking about? I still play PS2 games. Investing isn't a requirement for some people, just having fun and being entertained can be more valuable.
Especially if investing is redundant and they have career paths.
@@modtyrant1784 stop crying
thats CAD or USD? there is quite significant difference.
C+ is a generous grade. I was hoping to split a box 4 ways with my friends and play sealed, but even with sharing the cost the price is ridiculous. Going to pass on that. Thanks for keeping us informed, Professor!
Same same. I was excited to draft this with my friends, but it's just too much for "casuals" like us...
We decided it would be more interesting to do "sealed commander" (something LRR did recently): 14 packs per person (from a variety of sets), decks are the full 100 cards instead of 60, and trades are allowed.
Same lmao, like hell I’ll ever buy them this expensive, buy singles
Same, but I don't have enough friends that would want to pay that
Print pictures of the cards and sleeve them up in front of lands, then draft that as a cube.
All the fun for a fraction of the price!
Wizards: continues to raise prices, scaring off new players.
Professor: continues to put out incredible content, welcoming new players. ❤
and buying tons of the stuff himself... so lecturing on one thing while doing another is... meh
@@beliffywu5804 The difference is that the entire audience are not content creators. And he himself is one person, not a group of millions.
And if you are talking about all the boxes he is giving away - he doesn't buy them, they're sponsored by Whatnot, same with the LOTR ones.
@@beliffywu5804 a sponsor bought those, looks like he only got draft boosters
WDYM scaring new players? the game keeps growing and makes more and more money with more and more players every year. The LOTR set is one of the best selling of all times despite being more expensive than a standard set.
Seriously, without the community the game wouldn't exist. WoTC thanks us with $1000 proxy packs and $300-400 reprint sets that collapse in value if someone so much as glances in their general direction. Prof gave it a C, I'll give a it a D for dumpster fire. Fuck WoTC.
We've gone from Trading Card Game to Collectable Card Game. Used to be so fun to all crack packs and trade and shuffle cards around to make decks, but now the only reason to buy packs is to hopefully get an "investment piece". All of the social side parts of the game have been ripped out.
It's so crazy to me that the most popular format in MTG right now is incredibly social and casually friendly but Wotc somehow hasn't capitalized on that at all. Why aren't there official commander tournaments? Precon 4 packs so groups have an easy point of entry? Hell, commander isn't even on ARENA! Commander is a very social format and Wotc doesn't seem to get that at all. It feels like they're actively trying to discourage people from playing with high prices, avalanches of products, an under supported competitive scene, and confusing product design.
These prices are bonkers. Time to hit up MPC proxies.
Really happy with the ones I got, thanks WotC for telling us proxies are totally ok for you.
The professor's chaotic sponsor bits are top tier. Keep renewing that contract WhatNot.
On announcement I was very excited. Then after a few spoilers I was less so but it looked cool. Then the whole set was spoiled and I thought to myself, "That's it? Where are the really exciting reprints?"
Now I'll maybe buy some singles after Eldraine is already out
I love the bit where you grabbed all the collectors
I jumped on this video faster than mono red jumps at the chance to play blood moon. Thanks for the content Prof!
There should totally be a blood moon 4 every color that be cool
@@christopherreid4782I think it's nicer if it's unique
@@christopherreid4782 That'd be incredibly nice, rewarding mono colored decks in a multi colored format
For future reference stuff like the mystical archive is called a bonus sheet. This includes mystical archive, retro artifacts, and multiverse legends.
I like getting bonus sheet. 🙂
@@nanoglitch6693 me too :D
@@nanoglitch6693 That's probably a good thing. I fully expect that we'll keep seeing them for a long while, since they probably serve a few long term WotC goals such as the entry cost sustainability of eternal formats, more variety for Limited, and bringing older cards into Arena in manageable batches rather than with full Arena exclusive sets.
I'm glad I preordered the Eldrazi Unbound commander deck when they first announced it back in February for $68. That is still an expensive price but it's better than what I'm seeing now.
Same here
Same but with 2 Doctor Who decks for $50 since they are going up.
Do you ever do a "Is it Worth it?" revisited, where you discuss if it's worth it three months in or whatever? Or like, a three-month after booster-box game?
Prices have already plummeted between when this video was recorded and now. I picked up my copy of Exsanguinate, the only other card I was after in this set apart from Demonic Tutor for my mono-black Vampires deck, for 40p/50c. That's absolutely crazy considering last week it was about £3-£4!
I appreciate you so much for the in depth analysis. I already wasn’t planning to buy any packs from commander masters, but now I’ve got the data to point to that justifies it further. See you on whatnot!
FYI Jace, Mirror Mage doesn't come in the booster packs, he's in the precon only
Also, unless I missed it, there's no mention in the conversation about how many R/M are worth the price of the pack, is that you get 2-3 rares per pack, which changes the math on that worth considerably. (Up to 5 R/M in set too, though of course those cost more).
Was just about to comment this exact thing
I think he can be found in the packs in the commander slot of the pack that contains cards specific to the precon decks, so you could see him.
Precon slot is usually only in collector boosters right?
Once again we see the flaw of the varied packs system: not being able to keep straight what is in them.
I was 100% planning to buy a box before I saw the price. I want a good number of the cards in it, but when I can get an Ulamog for the same price as a booster pack, there's no real point in buying the booster pack I was hoping to pull the Ulamog from, is there?
I love opening packs. It's so much more fun to finally find the rare or mythic you've been looking for in a pack, as opposed to just buying it. But when the packs are so expensive and there's so much chaff diluting the pool of rares and mythics, it just makes it nigh-impossible to justify buying a pack, much less a box.
For now, I'm going to keep my eye on prices for half a dozen singles and see what happens.
Same here. Horrible and incomprehensive pricing on this.
Been having a really rough mental health week, thanks for the upload, always brings light to my day
Thank you Professor, for spreading REASON rather than hype. It's why I come here, for you honest opinions from a man like me who obviously loves this game. Great advice, I am passing on most commander master's products as I agree the pricing has gotten out of hand. I will wait on most of this and pick up some of the singles!
cant say how many sets youve talked me out of buying into. I was looking forward to this set too as I thought it might have the same turn around as doublemasters 2022 which I was able to do the booster box game 3 times, get the cards I wanted and sell the rest for a near break even by the end.
Wouldn't it have been the same result and less headache to just buy the singles you actually wanted vs playing the booster box game. Not a knock at you, but generally. Your comment caught my attention. Edit- I understand you said you broke even doing it this way but you got lucky. It's always a gamble on what you get.
@@Justadadonthetok it was fun I never do this but the Prof. had a good turnaround over and over so I took a shot and it paid off I pulled boarderless foil manavault which was going for 180 , wrenn and six, 2 eldrazi gods twice and many more I kept loads of them and what I sold let me break even. I also added several to my collection like smothering tithe. It was a good experience. keep in mind I only spent the $350 once.
@@xmenwolverineX fair and what a haul.
Great review prof! I agree with you, and think the contents of the packs and cannot justify the price. Buying singles is the way to go after prices drop a bit
I like some of the full art card designs and will probably grab some of those at some point but not planning on buying any boxes to crack open which I normally like to do.
There should absolutely be a "premium" product in MTG, filled with rare art, treatment, and serialized cards to push the price. Those cards won't lose value over time and are meant for collectors and high end players. But the set and draft boosters, should have an MSRP geared towards new player entry. Asking a new player to put down $80-120 for a deck or $50-60 for a draft is way more than most newcomers would want to fork over. I recently had about $100 to blow on Magic. In years past that would have been a booster box, maybe a couple of pre-cons. This time around it was just singles. At the end of the day, these prices aren't set by WotC, LGSs, big box stores, or online retailers, it's set by the consumer. As long as players are willing to doll out several hundred dollars, if not thousands of dollars, for these products the prices will remain this high.
There are OBVIOUS things missing. Commander plate, mana vault, mana crypt, etc.
dual and fetch lands
@@beliffywu5804Temples for the wiiiiinnnnn
Those come in Commander Masters II, III & IV, etc.
@@beliffywu5804 Original duals will never get reprinted, they are on the reserve list. Fetch lands, however, will probably eventually get reprinted again... since they are legal outside Standard and Pioneer, probably in a Modern focused set since Commander is lumped in with Vintage and Legacy because of legal card pool.
Mana Crypt is extremely egregious, it's climbed up to nearly 200 bucks despite being reprinted pretty recently, in a set that had a lot of cards that should have been in a Commander reprint set (Double Masters 2022). Mana Crypt's continued existence in the format is questionable, but it's exceptionally questionable when the gulf between having one Sol Ring and two Sol Rings in your deck is $170.
Recently picked up the game after playing yugioh for years, I really appreciate the type of content you make and other mtg creators make. It makes it so much easier to figure out what to buy.
My husband ended up sitting out of last weekends draft because it was too expensive. I was surprised because it meant he missed magic, but I get it now. Love these in-depth explanations about overpriced new products.
Just casually juggling about $10K worth of product there with those collector boxes :P
@@MrCenturion13true. Even the collector packs for lotr are stacking up around in stores near me.
@@MrCenturion13 really dude?? It's enough to stop you buying an entire set because they made one character black?? What a hill to die on.
holy shit ! i made the calculation, and this is not a joke ! it's even less than the real value (around 12 000 $ for my local price)
Is this it ? magic cards is worth more than gold ?
You sell your house, and your car, you can get ... 20 collector booster pack, what a great deal XD
@@origaminosferatu3357 It's a good hill to die on amongst the other crappy shit WotC made making that unwanted abomination of a set...imagine making an man-made scarcity on a piece of cardboard like the one ring lol
I think it's worth noting that for the dud rares segment you mentioned Abundance, Decimate, and Jace Mirror Mage. Not a single one of those is actually in boosters, they're all in one of the precons or another which use the same set code. You can tell due to their high collector numbers, even if they don't say how many cards are in the main set anymore.
So excited for the stream on the 4th, a streamer I enjoy with drops/a giveaway I'm actually interested in? That's a no brainer professor. Bless your soul.
Love you dude! This channel literally saved me from depression
St Cloud, MN is Set Box $449.99 pre-release ($469.99 on release), Collector box $259.99 pre-release ($279.99 on release). I do not think it is worth that, I'll wait two weeks and buy the singles I need.
Thank you. I knew this, but I needed to hear this lol
Loved this lengthy breakdown of WHY the recommendation is what it is.
I was amazed how singles prices tanked even before release. Well better for me, in a month i will be picking up those for a few cents.
Really excited to finally grab a copy of doubling season, but where is parallel lives?
LOL. keep dreaming buddy boy. people always say that... but then they drop like 10 to 20% then go back to where they were
@@BooAxe I have like 10 copies of parallel lives and no doubling season. funny
@@beliffywu5804the big win is the cards that have never had a reprint, their price will definitely stay lower than it would have been, in some cases the lack of a reprint being the only reason they were ever over $100
Super sad it’s so expensive, locally in Australia it’s looking like a $75 AUD draft, I don’t have the kind of income to play the draft format which is a bummer, I loved both the Commander Legends draft sets and this third one I’m gonna have to miss.
Also little video correction, the Jace, Mirror Mage printing is in the Planeswalker precon not in draft boosters, all the monocoloured planeswalker commanders from a past precon cycle in it though!
My LGS is charging $90AUD and still taking a loss
I felt like the calculated references to gambling were on point, and certainly were considered in their effect. He really went out of his way to hammer that line home a few times and hopefully if wizards wants to keep shooting for the moon with their agreed this will draw the attention should from legislators.
Played a preview over the weekend and had a blast. I love commado draft format. It makes for some fun games. It's just so expensive.
To me, THIS was the kind of set to do the aftermath style packs that don't have commons.
Thanks for the work Prof, definitely needed this after how horrible this day has been.
Things will get better, hang in there. 🖤👍
Hope your day gets better!
Hope your day gets better bud
Thanks for the analysis, as always. I look forward to this video coming out every set, as it is a contributing factor in whether or not I will consider buying a box
I signed up for whatnot! Can’t wait for tomorrow, prof!
Think, thus far, this is the set that best exemplifies Prof’s ad nauseum message of “buy singles”. Greed is a very human trait but the recent years have shown that Hasbro/WotC is trying its utmost to show us inhuman greed.
Some time back when Prof. invited Gavin for a round of Battlebond fun, I was lamenting why for so many years WotC wasn’t following up that most excellent product with its stellar EV. But now, I do fear a bit that if & when WotC does revisit Battlebond, it’ll b priced no different from the most costly Masters sets.
These really becoming an excersize on how many ways to say no. Wilds of Eldraine seems like it will actually be good and worth it. I do love that my LGS's are having a launch event for Commander Masters with the entry fee being purchase one of the precons to play in the event. Not paying $99.99 (local LGS price) for an average precon. Bought my Riders of Rohan precon for less than half that and it's just as good if not better than most the CM precons.
Thank you for the impressive review. You may have been generous with your grade.
Im super excited to draft this set next week with my friends! I bought the whole box myself and Im hoping to keep a lot of the staples at uncommon and common since I just started playing and keep anything I would want to play, and then sell the rest and hope the fun we got out it was worth the difference in price for me!
I wonder if the supplemental product team and the main set teams at WOTC compare work. Back to back reprint (though ecstatic to have them) seems like a failure in collaboration
For the price of 1 draft box commander masters you could almost get 4 draft boxes of commander legends bfbg. 3/4th that price would be closer to something I'd consider buying but then there is still too much bulk in it for my taste.
Right? I'd rather spend $400 on TWO boxes from a previous set if I wanted to Crack packs and get fun stuff. Or I'd spend $400 on upgrades for current decks, OR $400 on 2 or 3 new decks with some higher powered cards in them.
$400 for one box is asinine!
I've already took Prof's advice and pre-ordered some singles
I was hoping that this video was going to be like 70 seconds (10 seconds to say no and 60 seconds for a sponsor)
Alas, actual content. Good stuff Prof!
5:50
Someone got a hold of a pack at Target early and it went for $18 USD :(
Sets like this are why I like to buy singles.
Professor really channeled the Interdimensional Cable during the sponsored part of the video.
The hand motions are on point as always.
The Whatnot promo seemed like a skit right out of Rick and Morty and it's hilarious😂😂😂
yes!! I thought I was the only who noticed it, it reallyy felt like Rick n Morty
wotc: lets make a set that's stupidly expensive. then immediately after. the next set includes same mythic powerhouse cards for hella cheap?
wotc: yes. good idea
Was thinking about getting a pack or two, but thanks to your video I will just get the cards as singles. What I am after may cost more than a pack, but a lot less value in trades than I thought. Thank you for the video.
Always appreciate your videos. The singles I need for my deck. I can buy all of them for around 50 bucks. No way I’m ripping any of these. 15-16 a set booster? That is literally insane….
I've drafted the set twice. My first draft I walked away with a borderless Jeweled Lotus, Selvala, and Razaketh, as well as bunch of smaller things (Ashnod's Altar, Mangara, Exsanguinate). My second draft my most expensive pull was a Sol Ring. C+ feels appropriate.
My luck I'll win a box and it will be one of the ones tossed on the ground all dented 😂
I can never not say the "Many Magic The Gathering players ask the question" line along with you
For sure - reprints sets would be an awesome place to see known packages of cards. Make a set of 20 card packs or so with no unknowns except perhaps some alternative art.
It's stuff like this that is making me hopeful that Lorcana does well. MTG players don't even need to like or play it, but if it does well enough, it will draw players away from MTG, which might finally convince Hasbro to start lowering their prices to try to lure players back.
Lorcana is going to be a Disney advertisement printed on small pieces of cardboard. They already stated to have no intention to balance the game cause the game "isn't too casual or too competitive". I was really hopeful but truth is Disney can just pump money into it and will survive even if it's a hell scape of a game, supported by Disney fans. I think I will just take a look into Battle Spirit Saga or Digimon.
Thats a ton of money.
What is wrong with WOTC?
Because: Hasbro
Always appreciate these.
I know the topic is Commander Masters, but on that mention of Mystical Archive; I loved the spell in Strixhaven, loved the artifacts in Brothers’ War, will probably love the Enchantments.
Can’t wait for the Planeswalker archive haha.
Many Magic: The Gathering players know the answer, its never worth it to buy a booster box at over 400 euro!
Love to vids as usual professor, but Commander Masters has deeply upset me from the outrageous price points. You could tell me the second coming of Christ could be in those packs and I won't be buying at those absurd prices.
Draft packs of edh reprint sets can make for fun drafts if they don't load it with chaff and if it costed like $20 instead of $60.
The big issue I feel with having a draft environment for something that's specifically a reprint set is that the set itself gets pulled in two different directions; one side being the draft environment, and the other being the "lottery" aspect of the packs (where the value is). I'd rather there just be set boosters with a focus on high value reprints across the board, common to rare.
At least Dread Return is pauper legal!
I remember being so excited at the prospect of Commander Masters when it was announced, and when my boyfriend told me the price months ago I told him in disbelief it would go down, that the set would not be that much for a commander set. Now here we are, with both the still ridiculously high prices and lukewarm reprints in it (honestly, the pricing you showed of the top reprints was quite shocking), and my excitement has dwindled to anger. I certainly won’t be partaking in buying this set, except maybe singles from it from my LGS
Fridays Draft I was lucky got a side art of Naheb and a friece gardingship on pack1 pick 2 then 3rd pack Doubling season 😅 great night
Bro hit us with the Dark5 music and freaked me out 😂
set boosters in south texas are 15.00 at my local game store, 12 for draft. no tax. pulled urdragon so im happy.
Today is my birthday, been a rough one but I’ll be there for the stream, would love the chance for a collector box. Much love Prof.❤
I will say that the drafting I did was pretty fun and most folks pulled value (with extra prize packs) but yeah, especially after this, I’m more hyped for Eldraine personally
Aguante el Profesorrrrrr. Con toda la razon del mundo. Aqui viendolo post operado desde Chile. Saludos profesor
I drafted this last night. It was the best fun I’ve had playing Magic in a LONG time. I can’t believe it but I am actually considering buying a draft box.
I 100% agree with your final point that the sku selections were wrong for this targeted commander set. If I were releasing it, Set booster boxes, and bundles, and collector boosters would be the way to go. I wouldn't even have made commander decks, except maybe to re-release the top 4-5 previous ones in full.
Got to draft this over the past weekend. I was lucky and drafted value in the colors I was in that added to my deck (doubling season and foil Great Henge) but the draft experience was a great time. Better than the previous commander based draft sets that were all fun as well. It's a shame it's as expensive as it is because I would draft it as much as I could otherwise.
I've been looking forward to this one.
After the last event with lotr lasting 2 hrs and making you late to your dinner. This just might be a little bit overkill. Thanks prof for doing this for us!!!
I snagged a doubling season and demonic tutor at my first preview draft and won a game. Great stuff so far!
Good luck on whatnot, everyone. I’ll be sitting the giveaways out from now on because life. But much love to the prof. for doing these giveaways, even if they are sponsored.
1:21 damn professor that was brutal 😂
The giveaway announcement reminds me of when Morty gets upset about something, "get your sh** together Summer!" 🤣
I like how the Professor sounded like Rick and Morty ending a season with their chaotic, frantic rant about the collector booster box give away
The problem I have with this set is that I have the vast majority of the cards in it already, so they'll mostly be going straight into trades. The only ones I don't have are the tempting but OP cards which are ~1/100 of actually pulling; Doubling Season, Lotus, Deflecting Swat, Deadly Rollick... but these are also cards which should never have been printed or are way too hardcore for our *"Casual Format"* (with extremely heavy air quotes), so I'm not sure I really want them anyway.
Tough to say, might be worth getting some friends to go in on it together and have one heck of a draft party!
I was really looking forward to this particular set as a Commander-only player but the price tag killed it for me.
I like the art on the new prismatic omen. throne of eldraine was the last time i bought new magic product.
I bought box to draft with my friends because I love these commander draft formats. gonna buy singles once we are done
Professor makes a great last point! If WotC had ONLY printed SET boosters, but at the price point of what they did Draft, I think this Masters set may have been an amazing product for all MtG Commander players who wanted to expand their inventory for their future deck builds. Had WotC priced and advertised the product this way, it would have been a win/win!
2:19 "Collector Masters" - so accurate!
Best part, hands-down, is the prof, forgetting how to end a video, and just sort of modeling off into existence at the end there 😂
I had friends who were so excited for this set, waited all year, evenmkre excited for it than LOTR. They were lived when they saw the prices and realized they can't engage in the sealed experience at all. Keeping new cards limited to the precons is also a huge slap in the face
I drafted this set last week and it was very fun. It was my very first commander draft and the new rules made it very fun and exciting. there is some very busted boards that can be made. For the new players, they do have themes in the set. Give it a try and have fun.
The sponsored segment feels like something from Rick & Morty’s Interdimensional Cable 😂
I recently started buying singles for a new deck that I had an idea for, and there are a few cards in Commander Masters that I want, but the price of the product in Canada, along with the fact that there are so few cards in the set that would serve my needs in deckbuilding make me want to buy a box for Eldraine way more