2020 Harley-Davidson LiveWire Review | MC Commute
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- Harley-Davidson leans into the next generation of motorcycling with its all-electric LiveWire ($30,149 as tested). Introduced last summer, the LiveWire is the 117-year-old company’s first gasoline-free production motorcycle. Positioned as a halo machine, the LiveWire is engineered for motorcyclists desiring the utmost in modern two-wheel EV hardware. Aside from fasteners, it shares no components with the Project LiveWire 2014 prototype.
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The LiveWire is powered by a bullet-shaped permanent magnet synchronous motor positioned below the battery. Dubbed, the Revelation, this motor has few moving parts aside from a bevel gear transferring power to the back wheel via a right-hand-side belt final drive. It’s a direct-drive setup without a clutch. A small amount of oil (0.34 quart) lubricates this mechanism, and after initial break-in service, it requires attention every 20,000 miles.
The Motor Company rates the Revelation at 86 pound-feet of instantaneous torque and 105 hp. Due to its elevated power load, the motor integrates liquid-cooling. A small curved radiator sits behind the 17-inch alloy front wheel.
A huge 15.5kWh Samsung-sourced lithium-ion Renewable Energy Storage System (Harley nomenclature for battery pack) provides power. The automotive-grade component is maintenance-free, and offers a claimed range of 95 miles during combined city and highway use. During our brisk 13-mile stoplight-to-stoplight city commute, in Sport mode, the LiveWire consumed 20 percent capacity. Estimated remaining range was 84 miles. The motor offers adjustable regeneration capability, charging the battery when the vehicle is coasting.
The motorcycle is charged via standard J1772-compatible input positioned beneath the hinged faux brushed aluminum fuel cap. The charging cable is stored beneath the seat and is compatible with standard 110-volt three-prong power plug (Level 1). Harley says the cells recharge at a rate of 13.8 miles for every one hour of charge. That equates to 12.5 hours of charge time from a diminished state.
Curiously the LiveWire isn’t engineered to consume the increased electrical bandwidth of Level 2 chargers (currently more widely available). Instead Harley-Davidson relies on Level 3 DC fast-charging technology. With this medium, the battery can recharge from depleted state to 80 percent in 40 minutes. It’s Harley’s belief that riders want to charge their LiveWire’s rapidly when away from home. It also believes that the Level 3 charging network will grow more quickly versus older technologies. To prove it, Harley-Davidson installed charging equipment at LiveWire dealerships across America. Recharging is free to LiveWire owners during their first year of ownership. Owners also gain access to 500kWh of free charge on the Electrify America fast charge network. The Harley-Davidson app can direct riders to these stations.
Contrary to a manual gasoline-powered motorcycle, the LiveWire offers three controls: a right-hand-side twist throttle, front brake lever, and a right-hand-side foot-mounted rear brake pedal.
Lift it off the kickstand and you’ll feel its 553-pound heft. Seated at the controls however, it feels slim, with a compact wheelbase comparable to a Sporster 1200. Ergonomically, this ebike offers a sporty stance with a wide handlebar and sportbike-like foot controls.
The LiveWire offers exceptionally accurate throttle response. It’s sensitive, but in a good way, facilitating an intimate experience at the controls. Four combined power/throttle maps are offered (Sport, Road, Rain, and Range). The rider can also customize three separate maps (A, B, C), by selecting various degrees of power, throttle response, regeneration (similar to engine-brake effect on an internal combustion engine-equipped motorcycle), and traction control.
To simulate the purr of an engine, the motor includes a haptic feature, felt through the handlebar. With the dash’s green propulsion lights activated, the motor rocks back and forth between magnets at a standstill, timing is based off a human’s resting heartbeat. It’s a nice, subtle touch that lets you know the bike’s ready to play.
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Good review, thanks for sharing your impressions! Now Harley needs to expand their electric range with a few lower-priced options. I’m thinking a flat tracker with lower weight and $12k pricing would be awesome!
Hi Eric, thanks for the note and for taking a few minutes to tune in. Electric motorcycles like the LiveWire will only become less expensive as time goes on.
Motorcyclist Magazine Lower end Zero models fit this bill. Less range and power. Still fun to ride.
Harley - one n only
Looks like someone at Indian/Polaris was listening...
Electric vehicles will always be more expensive and have less range. The battery chemistry limits it. Harley is mainly selling motorcycles in the US, except for California, they'll be able to sell gas vehicles for a long time. This is a money losing project for them, I doubt they would be making a lower cost model.
Most cars don't hear loud bikes anyway.. hell I constantly see people totally oblivious to the firetruck screaming up the road behind them
Nice logic, not. Let's say only 30% hear them, or even 20%? That is 20% less cars that are going to swerve into you. It helps A LOT. I rode a zero and couldn't rev at cars when they were coming near me, it sucks.
@@mycobrahatesyou you have a horn..
@@mycobrahatesyou If I relied on revving at someone to stop 2 tons of machine from crushing me I'd have been dead a few times over by now, not to mention I've seen it have the opposite effect and incite road rage from these asshat drivers that probably have the same mentality of entitlement as someone who revs their bike at drivers. I do rev bomb bird scooters though, but that's just me being an asshole. 😀
@@mycobrahatesyou Lmao rev at other cars to get attention? Loud pipes save lives is the biggest bs. It’s your riding abilities that’ll save you. Ride smart. Ride like you’re invisible. Revving at a car especially if they’re playing music, hahaha that’s so dumb. You sound like one of those vlog bikers that rage for no reason at other drivers and still ride like an ass.
@@mycobrahatesyou I can assure you coming from a biker no one hears your motorcycle when you rev, your ducking exhaust points to the rear for gods sake, new cars kills most outside noise and not to mention radios, your best bet is to just slow down or stop because reving dose absolutely nothing albeit shorten the life of your motor. And if you rely on engine sounds to alert people your there you won’t be on this earth very long
when he said $30k, I was like brah!!!
Yeah, like all EVs, this is a $10K bike with a $20K battery.
Yeah when I heard that price I thought to myself that I'll go back to Dreaming of a KTM 790.
Shamoun Kyriakos it’s still not green because of how much pollution is created producing the battery.
Jake Fejer finally... someone says this.
Azazel One it’s shocking how many people are unaware how bad it is to produce batteries for vehicles.
Heavy? Sounds like one of the lightest Harleys available at that weight.
Anything below half a ton is lightweight.
Can confirm - my completely naked Fatbob has about 100lbs on my VStar 950 Tourer with bags, boards, and windscreen, which in turn, has 170lbs or so on my Zero SR/F. Ironically enough, despite also being naked, the SR/F has more storage than my Fatbob.
My 2019 Sportster Iron 1200 is 560 pounds wet. Those street 500s and 750s are a little lighter too
Apparently its top heavy
@@Zee216 Hence the commentary around 10:45. High COG needed for carving. Low COG needed for urban assault.
expensive AF, very short range.
I like the innovation, but never in hell would I buy that.
Yes, but you know the guy that will. Middle aged, way too much money, digs the electric vehicle thing, buys it to ride on a nice Sunday. Agreed though, not accessible to the masses.
@@CCitis un my experience, middle aged men with money but upright touring motorcycles
Jeremy and will put up maybe 10k miles in lifetime.
Chinmay Kashid lol MAYBE
@@CCitis this bike was made to appeal to the youth. Harley's customers are getting old and the company is now dying but they are living in boomer town with that price. No one my age will buy such an expensive bike.
4:55 Motorists aren't going to hear you no mater what. Most people have their windows up and music on full blast. They can't hear you until you pass them, and then it's too late.
Roy Godiksen depends how fast you are going. If you have stock pipes then year prolly not. But with an average rumble people will hear you as long as you aren’t flying by.
@@matthewyearber9361 except all the sound goes behind you
Loud pipes save lives is a myth, hi-vis is more likely to help. Plus, cars are often soundproofed.
Trey they are named sound waves and not sound lasers for a reason. A majority of the sound does go behind you but unless you are going above the speed of sound you are still going to have sound in front of you. You can always hear a motorcycle coming. It’s not like an airplane where the sound is lagging behind.
jaimes moran I think having your pipes extremely loud does not make a difference, but a normal motorcycle is louder than a car and most people can hear it. And no car has sound proofing. They have sound dampening between the engine and the inside of the car. You’ll notice you can hear police sirens in your car. But yes hi vis helps.
Man, that lane splitting had me sweating. It just seems illegal even though I know it isn’t in CA.
You sound so sincere, "Oh my god, we're speeding again. I'm so sorry everyone." :D
Yeah people kept giving him shit about speeding when he first took over the MC commutes so he's always sarcastic about it
Like I care how fast hes going. People really are professionals at being offended by shit these days!
U belong on a scooter with that attitude lol..jp
Right that explains it then. I was wondering why he was apologising for speeding. I don't care how fast you go, your life you to do.
maybe he should just blur his speedo
This bike looks great, I can ride it to the airport and use those front signals to guide a plane to land.
I like the looks , clean masculine lines, nice whining sound , doubted this thing pop a wheeli but never disappointed ... and always i'm hyper excited to see wheeli part in every tests. Kudos to you Adam.
When I see you ride between a truck making a right hand turn and the curb, just so you can pass the truck, that tells me you don't know how to ride a bike safely, and I turned the video off. If you keep doing stuff like that you're going to end up hurt or dead. You need to show that you know how to ride a bike safely.
flyboy1ron ...thats the first thing I thought of also,this guy needs to take a motorcycle safety corse!!!
Not the mention the beginning, cuts in front of 2 vehicles going across 3 (or 4?) lanes of traffic.
And then he doesn't use his turn signal at any point?
Can I just say, the comments section on this is really positive. It makes a change from the years of negative comments about HD's move towards electric. All great things start somewhere I suppose! I'm curious about their other upcoming models.
I rode one at a demo event a few years ago. I love it but cannot afford it. I’m glad that Harley produced the bike and hope they can capitalize on it. Beautiful to look at IMHO.
You guys are absolutely amazing. You make some of the best motorcycle related video-journalism Ive ever seen on this format. The journalistic style reminds me very much of the motorcycle magazines i used to consume 20 years ago as a young rider, but now in a live video format. Its so great to see that passion still alive and well.
The Livewire seems truly like a real full-on experience. I'll be honest, i love combustion (i restore old bikes), but i also love this new direction we're taking with our way of transporting. Id love to feel that slingshot acceleration.. and i would definitely hear the tyre kissing the road haha. But I would just love to knkw what that is like, as a sensory experience. It would bring a whole new dimension to motorcycling. There hasn't been too many electric bikes though that have taken my interest. But after seeing this machine from your perspective, makes me want to rush out and have one. Tbh though, if Im going to have one, someones going to have to give me one 😅 out of my budget lol. But seems like a real stonkin bike. A proper sensory experience. would love to know that feeling. I hope you are all keeping safe and healthy in these difficult times 💯🤞 Sending a leather-gloved fistbump from Aussieland 🤙
I kept waiting for him to start it in the very beginning! This technology is a definite mental realignment. I'm not a Harley fan, but this is a good looking and very interesting bike. I look forward to the technology becoming more affordable.
Yes it is beautiful
This was the best review of this bike I've seen yet.
Great information.
Thanks for sharing
I’ve been watching your videos for a while now and it seems like they’ve been doing that same road repair on the right side of the road before you enter onto that two lane forever.
@@Land-Shark I wish to meet the architect
You mean that spot where it always looks like he's making a right into a traffic space without much room?
That might be a Mafia run entity...hehehe
Welcome to California. Cal trans takes forever to do anything.
They actually just finished it a few months ago, finally
What a great review you seemed like you were genuinely having fun on the Livewire! Your giddy enjoyment of the torque and acceleration on that bike makes me want to buy one. Again great job on the review
I have to give Harley-Davidson major kudos 4 keeping the traditional Harley look on this bike. It looks so much fun to ride in the twisties! I cannot wait to ride one
@@michaelhoward142 I suppose I'm referring to the gas tank and the headlight cowling
@@michaelhoward142 I mean if I was showing a picture of this and was told to guess what manufacturer made it, from a side view I would guess Harley-Davidson
First bikes out must pay off R&D. Remember the first microwaves or first big screen plasma TV’s.
Good analogy. That's what people don't seem to want to think about. They'd rather just poop on the LiveWire because they just don't see the big picture. I'm no huge fan of HD, but c'mon, this is just part of the whole plan.
And yet Buell and Zero sell electric bikes for half the price.
@@marshallmiller335 Where exactly can I buy one of these Buells? Until they're actually in the world, they're just vaporware.
If it happens, great. I'll be ecstatic. The next step in a very fast moving evolution of electric motorcycles. Think of the LiveWire as the Tesla Roadster.
Marshall Miller Which Zero model has all the features of the Livewire for half the price?
One Gun , not sure when you had your last Harley. I have put over 100k miles on Harley-Davidson motorcycles with zero failures. No less than 25k on each. They have been more reliable than my Honda
Hope HD can recoup some of their R&D with this bike, so they can bring prices down in future generations. Looks like a very decent bike at a not-so-decent price point
HD tacks on an extra $10k just for the name alone.
Never thought I would see CycleCruza himself on MM
not really.
CycleCruza wzup Cruza?? Come on over to Carolina brO!! 💯
Probably to offset all of the R&D. I would assume that has they scale up the price could come down.
I must say that at time stamp 4:30 you squeezed to the right in front of a delivery truck trying to make a right. Talk about violating the rules of keeping a safety bubble around you. That was an accident waiting to happen.
yeah and tgen cut across 3 lanes of heavy fast traffic...guess california is turning into india
Yeah definitely a dick move and makes riders looks bad. Just because you can cut-off everyone and go faster than them, doesn’t mean you should.
He didn't cut off anyone and that bike is out of the way before most people even notice. I would say those moves were even less dangerous than the lane splitting, which is legal in there.
Comparing India traffic to that in Socal sounds...couched. Armchaired. Barcalounged. The insanity of India's traffic makes this footage look like a cotton-puffed cloud ride. The box truck was parked at the intersection and seemed to let the motorcyclist proceed first. Some motorists are actually polite. I've seen a lot of california drivers that just want to go with the flow. Of course, let the fast guy go first. Everyone has a common mission, to get to their destination, and being a jerk motorist just slows everything up.
FInally a Harley that not only looks great but performs well too.
Electric, automatic, overweight, $30k+... no thanks. Hopefully this tickles some others pickle as I would love to see Harley succeed, but this just doesn't check my boxes of a fun bike.
Battery technology isn't close to where it needs to be for these types of bikes to be practical. And as you say, $30k for something that's as limited as this is waaaaaay too much money. I'd say we're at least 10 years away from electric bikes being where they need to be.
I'm curious who it is that has the money to pay HD prices. The other companies can sell great motorcycles for far less money and still be reliable.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade there are plenty of people that pay hd prices. Have you seen how much their road King costs? I just don't think those types of buyers will be interested in this bike.
@@timothy9596 10 years and $20000 away I'd say. Who wants to pay a premium for such a compromise?
Nice introduction to the bike. It would havebeen nice to show how it rides in economy mode with regenerative braking and how that extends battery life.
Pretty rowdy move when you turned right in front of a turning truck. No way he could see you. Dude, don't wreck. Ride safe.
Dude look like he just woke up hungover and sounds like hes eating a jolly rancher
New show: ‘Waheed rides to White Castle’.
Just how I like my reviews lol
You do such a great job with these commute vids. You are riding through traffic and it almost sounds like you are reading these stats and specs off of a script.
As a big sci-fi nerd, I love the way it sounds. "Engage." *throttle on*
Adam, why not use full regenerative braking? Your commute has a million stops, traffic jams, etc..very little open road riding.
The fastest HD bike in the lineup.
Forgot the V-ROD
@@the.communist That bike is no longer in the lineup.
Well that settles it. We require a burnout test from every bike now on :)
Harley did a good job with designing the LiveWire
The way this guy rides, it’s just a matter of time before he becomes roadkill. What a careless rider.
I got to give Harley-Davidson credit, but I rather have the Zero SR/F for the price. Hopefully the Bronx will be a good bike.
If Zero build the electric bike we want. Good suspension plush ride with at least 7.1" travel 200mile range 30mins/80% charging around 200kg spoke wheels + traction control . Bet that's looking like £25-30k
Some comments on the regen braking would've been nice.
A bit late to the party, but totally agree. I don't yet own a bike🙄, but have an electric Ioniq. With the Regen, I barely have to touch the brakes, and I get near on 30% better range than factory estimate. It also has a Regen braking paddle on top of normal Regen to really pull down the speed; would be interesting to see them put that on the Livewire by twisting the throttle the other way...
86 foot pounds all at 0 rpm. You feel full G’s since continuous acceleration since one speed. Needs more range otherwise great bike
The Zero SR/F has 140 lb-ft of torque. The Energica Ego pumps out 150 lb-ft. both have better range, but not much. Any Electric bike is worth a test ride if you get the chance. It's a mind altering experience.
@@Miata822 at least one guy knows it's lb/ft!! You're right, a test ride is way more fun than you think it will be.
@@stevek8829 Yes, but it can be dangerous. That test ride totally wrecked my budget.
Bro! I love how you say "give this thing the beans" . . . it's so fire😂😂
Awesome review. I wish it was a little cheaper, but I hope HD keeps up with the bike line. (It's going to be the future, and HD could keep pushing the tech and become a leader in this area.)
Would you buy if it was "a little cheaper", say 20 grand? 🤣😂😅😆
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Just a general observation among EV owners: while it seems that an EV would make for a great second vehicle (car or motorcycle) and many people keep a gas vehicle just in case (long trips or whatever), the bulk of travel mileage gets put on the EV. Maybe because of the environmental benefits or the much cheaper operational/ownership costs but usually, it is because of the superior riding/driving experience. It happened to me and most every EV owner I know. There are life situations where an electric vehicle is the wrong choice, but it works for more of us than you think.
This is a political opinion, not a fact based one. I cant think of a single scenario where an EV provides a superior driving/riding experience over a comparable ICE variant.
@@MegaTechpc but he's an EV owner and you are not. Just because you can't think of something isn't a reason.
I see a lot of people in the comments complaint about price and the Harley Davidson name..... lets get real here people there are plenty on motorcycle companies that sell over priced bikes..(triumph,KTM, BMW....just to name a few). It’s a first release of course it’s gonna be crazy priced.
Anyways. The bike is cool. I can see it as a city commuter or bar hopper, but for long distance riding.... no way.
I don’t ride Harley’s anymore. I still own 05 standard springer, I will never sell it. I like how Harley is trying to do different things and make new models. But for me I’ll pass on this as I’ve moved into adventure motorcycles(can’t wait to see the full release of the Harley adventure bike)
HD, you'll sell about less than you think - millennials can't afford this, old school Harley riders won't like the short travel distance and until you get the pricing down to less than $15K U.S. you'll be passed on by the Jap Four or other starter companies that will out do your marketing scheme. Good luck though.
TasteMyGoatse Nobody’s doing anything nice like this less than $15k. But e-buyers are very different demographic. Will they be comfortable going to HD to evaluate and buy?
As soon as Honda/Yamaha sell an e-motorcycle for $10-15k it's over for Zero and HD.
@@GT6SuzukaTimeTrials but they won't
For something like this I would expect the pricing to be around $20k USD. What hurts even more is there is Zero, an American made electric motorcycle company that is this bikes direct competition. The difference between this and their flagship model, $10k USD, thats it, and don’t give me the quality parts argument. Unless that bike is decked out with carbon fibre, titanium, and other super high end materials, there is no way that you can come up with an additional $10k worth of parts.
@@airtylerb no carbon, parts are from standard suppliers best you get is an Italian engine
They’ll come down in price eventually. Then you’ll all have one, me included. These bikes are gonna be a blast to ride..no way not..
About as exciting as riding my toaster to work
@@markbd9775 That's funny! (as your smoked by an e-bike)
Lol if it was half as expensive as it is now its still out of reach of the average buyer, and thats not even accounting for the other bikes in the electric market that beat it in every metric.
I'll trade my exquisite sounding RSV4 in for this two wheel golf cart the day hell freezes over.
I've rode both the Livewire and a couple of Zeros. The Livewire is the better bike. Better brakes, suspension, paint, finish etc. But I'd buy a Zero and another bike before I'd pay the difference. I wouldn't even spend the 20k on the SR/F. I'd buy two bikes for the cost of a Livewire. An electric commuter and a mid-size Adventure for the long trips. But the Livewire is a very premium bike.
Hopefully these get cheaper in the future because I want one! 🤟
I think you'll see a massive decrease in price in the second hand market. Especially the 1st gen ones.
They’ll drop with each new release because of the newer tech each year. Nobody will want the old tech
It’s to expensive and slow they could’ve at least make it go 200mph and it’s the same price for a h2 ninja bike that’s super charged
Southern California has lots of Level 3 fast charging. Hit the Plugshare website or app and and click on CCS charging.
If you haven't ridden an electric motorcycle go give it a try. Even if you aren't planning to buy one it is worth doing just to know what it's about. Warning though, you will want one.
And yes, I'll keep my faster, lighter, better brakes, better handling, $10k cheaper Zero SR/F. The Harley does look cool though. Energica makes a great line of electric bikes too.
I think the seating position is a lot like the MT-10. I was prepared to ride one in Sturgis last year, but they cancelled the demos the first day. Maybe the local dealer will demo them this spring. I've been waiting patiently since my lost chance last August!
That thing looks cool and seems fast as hell. BTW those lane splitting were giving me sweaty palms...
You should check out the RoyalJordanian youtube channel if you want to seem some crazy splitting. Dude commutes through downtown London regularly.
They way this guy rode this thing put almost every other motorcycle channel to shame
I get putting it in highest power mode...but what is the point in defeating regen....that's one of the major advantages of an electric bike.
Nice first try HD. It does have its cons, like the price and motor whine, but no other traditional motorcycle brands have the balls to bring out an electric bike out, and yet HD is getting all the hate.
Aye, that's a good point. Personally I'd love to see Triumph resurrect that old Tiger Cub model as an electric version.
Which Zero are you comparing this bike to?
Once they figure out how to make it loud, slow and leak oil everywhere, they'll sell like hotcakes
😂
Nice riding Mr. Waheed
Love the review, Adam. TEST IT! Annual HD new bike sales have been dropping. Baby boomers are heading to the old folks home. HD is in the transition of creating a new identity hoping to interest millennials and this model is a step in that direction. In five to ten years emotos will be lighter, more powerful with more range and faster charging. It is moving in that direction as we speak. Cost should come down also. I'm a big ninja guy, yet that bike looks cool. Thanks for the review. Now how about the H2 MC Commute?
Ugh, millennials are so god damn arrogant. Insufferable really.
They need to collaborate with Yamaha to produce a fast street bike. The younger generation wants speed and sleek looks and an affordable price
So, no oil leaks? and the mirrors are useful to look behind? Harley's stepping up their game. Neat!.
I just don't see people coming into Harley Davidson dealers for this. I am a Buell owner and Harley Davidson dealers and customers didn't want anything to do with me or my money. The Buell was pretty maintenance free, but they still wanted $400 for the first service. I'm sure that this will be the same.
I can see your hair style is still awesome, as usual. LOL
Testing a Harley Davidson in town and traffic jam. What an entertainment for motorcycle enthusiasts.
Great review Adam!
Waheed has the most aggressive lane filtering i've ever seen lol. Like god damn dude it's okay to wait behind a car every once in a while.
Yeah HD wasn't thinking it through. Use the front wheel and fit in the middle stator middle magnet and build it as soon as you move it starts charging the battery. Like regeneration but more of a free turning with no hold back. Easy. Then when you hit hi way it constantly charging anyway. No need to stop.
I wasn't interested in the old Harley, but man, now that they make an electric motorcycle...
I couldn't care less =P
Wow. You're so edgy.
@@mr.b3168 And you're too plain.
@@progste love harley haters. They talk about harley more than their own bikes.
@@mr.b3168 you find that unusual on an harley video?
@@progste Keep talking! Loving the triggered idiota.
Your very enthusiastic. Consider this in your future videos. Start off with a closer look at the bike. Go over a few things like instruments, no clutch, does it have regenerating braking system? Light that bad boy up and go ride, save the talking till after the ride. Then everyone will be able to understand what your sharing about this experience.
Looking forward to another video.
❤ _Love that satin orange colour!_ 👌
DESPITE RANGE ISSUE, THIS BIKE IS FAST! LOOKS SEXY JUST NEEDS BETTER RAnge and level 4 charging! right around the corner baby
Battery costs have come 100% since 2010. Expected to drop another 50% in 5 years. More people buying into the tech. I have solar panels for my EV car as well as a storage battery that the sun charges for night use. I save $600/month on gas and home electricity. I can not control healthcare costs but can control energy costs.
Preach!
Jeez bro how far are you driving to get a bill like that?
They will be lucky to sell 50 of these before they "pull the plug" on it.
What happens if you run out of battery in a bad part of the City or the hood ? Then your stuck like Chuck😁?
lol... Better scenario than out of gas, but both sketchy...hahahahaha At least he can plug in literally anywhere.
Why are you in the hood with a $30k motorcycle?🤔
joetca well I wouldn’t be in the the hood but what if I took a wrong turn and got lost and found myself there then I would be stuck like Chuck!😁
Thanks for the through video! As much as I think it’s beautiful, $30k isn’t priced for me. But my Vrod puts out 85 ft lbs of torque, weighs 50 lbs more. But the Vrod was more than $10k less
In Europe that is what a year's supply of gas supply costs, at least I feel like that.
@@sebastiangeorge7714 Consider maintenance fees. Gas engines have to go in at scheduled intervals. I am not saving money buying an electric bike, just paying the service costs up front and in loan interest.
excellent review real entertaining , plenty of info and you give it some real bang
Learned to lane split in California. I've had to use it in Atlanta, GA on several occasions.
i think they should put a clutch lever and use it to run just the regeneration so you can chose to stop without using breaks
Buying an electric motorcycle from HD is like buying a smartphone from John Deere.
Tooling away after the burnout, "give these people in the office complex something to do for a second."
Classic.
Lane splitting should be legal everywhere! Are there any plans in the near future for other states to legalize the technique?
Q is legit. Don't trust the media. Utah legalized it last spring a believe. But I haven’t heard of anywhere else :(
I’ve never ridden a Harley. I’ve never ridden an electric bike.....just booked a demo ride. Very keen tbh.
Thoughts and Suggestions: Dependable, durable with style..wish I had one..lol..beautiful bike..
I've seen this at the IMOT and the power is insane.
It doesn't deserve the hate.
It also doesn't deserve the price Harley asks...
13min into the video and no mention of the range....
It’s so quiet you can actually make your own Harley sounds at stop lights. pop-pop...pop-pop...pop-pop...brrrrrbrrrrbrrr
I don’t care what anyone says the Harley Davidson Livewire is THE standard for electric bike. I’d gladly pay that 30k if I had 30k lmao
thankfully they're $22k now! You can find really good deals on these used with incredibly low mileage
You should compare this to any of the zero motorcycles. Im into both but zero having been in the business for longer it would be nice to see what harley needs to work on & what they might perform better on.
Not for everyone but I like it and hope to obtain one. Fits in with my riding style and about how far I travel which is limited by nerve damage anyway. Fascinating technology that is only going to improve
HD lost me at $30k
That's sounds like the standard price for a Harley
HD lost me at HD
I mean HD is going to shit... And they know it. They had to do this stuff in 2014 to hype people up, an amazing and modern bike BUT they have to charge $30k to save their ass. If I had the money I would buy it but it looks like I’m gonna have to wait for the next one
It weighs the same, roughly, as my Sportster which is 562lbs.
I hate your term "beans."
It's not a "heavy" motorcycle especially from Harley. My first motorcycle is a Sportster 883 and I love it. I can only imagine how fun that bike is!
Thank you for a half decent review. The best part was the Q&A at the end although I disagree with some of your assessment. You metric boys are funny sometimes.
Since there's no clutch lever they should move the front brake lever over to the left side on these electric bikes so that you can use it for trail breaking more easily without interfering with the throttle control. Although some people are going to say that's dangerous because people accustomed to traditional location could get confused.
Great review - tho am. It attracted to this type of bikes I found the review very informative -
Love the lane splitting at lights as we can do that here in Dubai...legally. Wish it was legal in Florida too. So many Teslas in your location during your filming, I don't know if you noticed. Safe riding and thank you Adam for the "Real" HD Livewire info.
Livewire Starts at $29,799
Specs
....Range city 146 miles Highway 95 miles
....105 HP motor 86 ft-lb torque
....DC fast charge 80% 40 minutes 100% 60 minutes(only charge listed)
....Weight 549 lbs
Zero SR/F Starts at $19,495
Specs
....Range city 161 miles Highway 99 miles @55 mph 82 miles @70 mph....with power tank the range is increased to 200 miles.
....110 HP motor 140 ft-lb torque
....charge time standard 100% 4.5 hrs with rapid charge option(add $2,300) 100% 1.8 hrs
....weight 485 lbs
Both are assembled in the USA. IMO, the Zero has a better look then the Livewire. I really don't understand all the complaints in regards to the range. I mean, you can only fit so much battery on a motorcycle and the battery is the bigger part of the determining factor for range. I really don't see any future battery tech that would increase the range that would compare to a gas engine currently. Maybe reduce the power of motor which would reduce performance might make the range comparable but nobody would like that lol.
I so love my morning ride along the roads of sunny Southern California, makes a big change from storm battered England. Another excellent review, brilliant and informative but the moustache dude the moustache
Love this series!....mc commute!
Did HD pay you by the mile or the compliment? One year later and haven't seen a LiveWire on the road.
Great series, Adam. Subscribed. I now believe the EV future is real and inevitable. Not because of this bike, though it is an example of how good EVs can be. The H-D is so expensive and range-limited that I'd struggle to consider buying it. Plus, I'll wait until recharge times are acceptable to me, before buying an EV. There is no rush, as far as I'm concerned. But assuming the key issues get sorted, and I'm confident they will, EVs look like the future. Smooth, quiet, relatively simple, low CG, impressive power, and potentially zero-emissions (depending on how the charge is generated). Hard to see how that won't be an unbeatable combination in the future.
Does the lack of engine braking catch you off guard at first? I can't believe how quickly you're getting from 0-70...whew very quick. Last, it sure looks like lane-splitting on a quiet bike could be dangerous...you had me on the edge of my seat a couple of times.
I love watching you lane split between Teslas
if you have the money, maybe it's the best motorcycle to get for a beginner haha. No need to shift or anything, you just go, but many would say that the joy of having a motorcycle comes from having such crazy control over the engine, but an E-motorcycle still has that kind of control right? I mean you have full power when you need it, no need to upshift downshift etc, also I imagine traffic would be much easier to deal with haha.
So happy to live in a state that doesn’t allow lane splitting