Harley Davidson LiveWire | First Ride
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- Harley Davidson is the first major motorcycle manufacturer to mass produce an electric bike, so Fagan heads to Spain to sample the LiveWire...
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Don’t hate the player, hate the game. Or something...
44Teeth Why don’t they have gears on electric bikes?
Brammo experimented with gears a few years ago but it’s pointless. All the power is available at 1rpm
44Teeth Aha, it looked like fun
@@alexpage7292 Low voltage systems do have some hears, proper high voltage ones do not need one.
44Teeth I’ve got 26,000 miles on my evolution c now. I totally agree with you about the weight issues with the EV motorbikes (in regards to handling). However, I disagree with you on the break pads. It takes a while to get used to the regeneration breaking, I’ve only had two sets of break pads in 26k. I also just had my battery efficiency tested and they are 4 years old, with still 100% efficiency. At the moment I think EVs suit commuters mostly. I save roughly £2k a year as apposed to most 600cc motorbikes.... So with those savings I can now buy a Ducati 899 for weekends ;-)
I’ve been riding for over forty years and reckon it’s been the golden era of motorbiking, thank fk I’ll miss out on the next era of soulless electric bikes .
Good riddance I say, we don't need you pretencious elitist lot in the community. Fact is, you put the soul and spirit into the bike by becoming part of it and driving it your way, without the rider the bike is a dead machine.
just coming into the golden age right now
"Why would you not?, Oh! it's 28K" hehehe
For city electric motorcycle are awesome. I own 11kW electric bike, it's cheap to ride, quick and silent. What do you want more? :P
Great video. Bike looks like my dogs nutsac tho
Do you mean Good or bad?
In the uk "the dogs bollucks" means really good.
Loved the review, I had the pleasure of testing one out up and down the coast of Galveston, Texas. Had a massive smile on my face when you roll back that throttle but no matter how sweet the ride was that price tag is a deal breaker.
They used them on Long Way Up recently on all sorts of roads and conditions, think its the future.
Awesome. Thanks for the glimpse, Fagan! I am a closet fan of electric bikes. Not because I believe they make trees smile, but because I am grinning ear to ear each time I ride one. All other opinions aside, my personal experience is very positive on these machines. I look forward to trying the Livewire. Thanks for the launch preview!😘😘
no range, 30k price tag, no thanks.
38k in Sweden 😢
agreed... I like it.. but the price + low range. (+ no idea how much it would cost to eventually replace the battery)... that's almost Tesla car money + some spare left to get a nice bike on the side..
Every time you get excited and say ‘Nige’, I want to be like ‘you’re welcome!’ 😂
"If you crash it, don't touch it" haha
It’s perhaps only me, but most exciting moment was when I heard the KTM super duke. I went to watch the MotoGP round in Austria last year and fell asleep during the electric bike “race”. Great video as usual, thanks, I’ll keep my superduke, diavel and 1299s panigale!
Al loves getting a mention of BMX in the videos. I'm all for it.
benmpearson1 DK sixpack
That is pretty daring from HD... the company known so strongly for never changing.. to be the first to adopt e-bikes? The future truly is now!
it's called desperation ;)
For $30k(28k euro) I could buy an MV agusta limited edition brutale, anything I want from Ducati, a limited edition Fireblade sp2 2020(it is coming out), anything from aprilia, anything from BMW. And have it made with better quality.
Which would be your prerogative and I'd see why you'd want to, not really like with like though is it, hats off to Harley for pushing the alternative even though I wouldn't buy one myself either.
You would've gotten your money back with the Harley because it is electric .. You'd have to ride it everyday for 20 years though lol
@@mooiboyace gotten my money back how? I ride more than 200miles a day on average with my fireblade. Ive owned it for 3 rideable months as im now in a snowy winter where I live, and in those 3 months Ive put on well over 4900 miles and had ZERO issues. And when I want to ride more what do I do? I fill up in less than 5min and bam, im back on the road.
and the HD will STILL smoke you..
Michael Steven up until about 80mph then there’s no real advantage. After about 100mi you’ll be looking for an ev charging station which are still relatively rare.
Sounds better than a normal Harley.
If you want noise, put a playing card in the spokes like you do as a kid 👍 On my Raleigh Grifter, I used to turn the mud flap under the mud guards to get the ‘motor bike sound’.
Great video. I'm a Londoner living in Paris. I've owned loads of ICEs in both cities. I switched last year to the Zero FXE to be able to continue to park free! The FXE is an incredible urban commuter with everything in the sweet spot, and weighs just 135kg with 106nm of torque. It definitely smokes the Super Duke and almost anything out there up to 50km/h! For a while I've been considering the Livewires, and was eagerly awaiting the forthcoming Del Mar. I test rode the One last Saturday and got a chance to sit on the Del Mar but unfortunately it wasn't available for testing. I prefer the look of the One and found it incredibly stable in all situations and despite its weight and size, felt fine for filtering in dense traffic. The price is now 25k euros, which is still the same as a GS or other top-end ICEs but I reckon that it's a keeper and would satisfy my commuting and fun needs.
Still cant get past that RC car sound these electric bikes make, sounds really really chinsey.
This is one of the first Harleys I would actually consider owning, but as Jason and so many others have mentioned, it's just too damn expensive. And that's not a result of exchange rates or anything; they start a hair under $30k USD as well, and that's a serious dealbreaker for many people. I like the looks of the Livewire a bit better, but I'd rather get a Zero SR/F which has more range and costs $6k less. I know Harley is a "premium" brand, but it's not 6 grand premium.
The SR/F costs $10k less.
While there are some things very appealing about electric bikes such as the instantaneous torque availability, there's other things ingrained in my motorcycle experience that I don't want to give up. Dropping a gear and sliding the back end into a corner, power wheelies in 3rd as a standard of measurement for how fun a bike is, the visceral sound of increasing speed, the modification of air and fuel ratios to squeeze out more power...
There's a lot missing from the electric motorcycle experience, I look forward to the advances in technology and engineering, hopefully one day it'll be enough to make me a convert. Great review as always AL, cheers.
The Silence in traffic is bloody Deadly mate. Nuff said
Well I guess the future has actually arrived... 44teeth doing electric bike reviews😁
Damn i would love to have a go on one of these, just damn that price! hopefully we can get them under 20k in the years to come.
Zero already figured it out years ago.
its expensive alright
@@wudntulike2no32 You probably didnt ride one then
just got a huge discount near 21k now, time always does the trick!
What's this "mile" of which you speak?
For a good motor sound, try putting a piece of cardboard in the spokes.
It's guaranteed to turn heads.
Last test drove a Energica, a little bit more power and a little bit less expensive. Drove very nice with about the same view on electric riding as this Harley. But the sound and gear changes on the way back gave me a little bit more of a smile on my face. But for every day use, this will be awesome.
Did you just pass the police with a speed gun at 6:29 ?
Looks like it.
You immediately know it's a 44Teeth review as soon as you hear the words fart or ball sacks.
Looks cool. I rode the SR and loved it. Hoping to get my hands on the SR/F soon. BTW HD number plates from Offenbach, Germany 🇩🇪
I know the price is crazy but you have to give H-D some kudos for coming up with something really different from an H-D perspective. They have to reinvent themselves to some degree to survive. First time we have seen anything different from them in many years other than engine and suspension changes on standard models.
Somehow love the look. The Harley to ride to the spaceship dock.
Reminds me of being pissed in the 90s and nicking milk off electric milk floats.
TRISTANorTRIS often pissed in the morning? Or just through the whole of the 90’s? 😂
Man this thing is rad. Hope this ignites a tech war with other manufacturers. Wish I could afford it.
Who’s Nige?
Can't wait for electric sports bikes
I assume you mean affordable as well. Lightning has had one for awhile, but it makes this thing look like a bargain.
If HD can do that, imagine what's to come...Bravo!
That moment when a superduke passes by and you wish you had that instead of a big electric scooter...
Timestamp??
@@arvind.surwase 12:52
@@progste thanks
From a dead stop, the SDR rider would be wishing he had a turbo.
Wouldn't go that far. He liked the sound.
I guess what Fagan says is our inevitable fate, "...the time is going to come sooner or later..." Also Fagan, "...oh you can't beat the sound of a Super Duke, can you..."
I want this to be successful for Harley. I'm glad they're trying something new and modern. If the price was lower I'd take one for a test ride. Thanks for the review.
Great first person review. Very insightful. Well produced video. Seriously considering getting this bike. I probably will now. Cheers from Kentucky, USA
Best vocab of any reviewer.
In my eyes electric bikes are missing a massively important safety aspect. The rev bomb. Several times a week I use it to alert cars that they are about to cut across me or punish via making them jump, general shitty driving. I had one on the way home last night, some old boy drifted across lanes after not even seeing the Range Rover in front of me. Clutch in, shriek, he got back in lane. On an electric bike, he’d have probably taken out my front wheel.
xyber81 horn normally does the trick for me
The Streets homage was glorious!!!
I wish Harley would offer a kit to give all their models a normal left hand control indicator switch, nearly bought a 2018 Fat Bob but the indicators honestly did my head in that much I didn’t!
You can’t just push the lever down to make sure you’ve cancelled them like on every other bike, you actually have to look down because there’s no specific cancel button! I know they’re ‘self cancelling’ but it didn’t work 100% of them time.
Nice review Nige! I really hated the thing when it was 1st released. The general EV wave of the future AND that Harley had built it. After watching your video, I've really changed my outlook. Looks like it would be fun to ride. 👊😎 And a pat on the back to HD.
Why wouldn't it be fun to ride? Why do absolute weapons like you have to slag shit like this when you've never sat on one, or anything like it? The perfect armchair pundit *slow claps*
Absolutely beautiful bike
Plenty in the tank. That bike is simply lovely
What is point? What is point? Travel 100 miles. Find a charge point. if you can find a fast charge point. Wait an HOUR! Travel another 100 miles, etc.
Petrol bike (a 1/3 of the price btw) Travel 150 miles. Find a petrol station, fill tank, in and out in 5 minutes. Travel another 150 miles, etc
I want one so bad I don't gaf about the price tag. I'll buy one now, put it in a garage for 25 years, and it'll be worth 50 times as much as one of the OG EVs.
Small correction. DC fast and level 2 are different. Level 2 is 240 volt ac. Also check out energica, they pioneered the tech in that harley.
The Livewire charges at the same rate at level 2 chargers as it does on level 1 chargers according to Harley's own website.
@@robertp457 you're not wrong...
Would love to ride one. Pricing will be up to par in 5 to 10 years, I don’t think it will completely eliminate the ICE motorcycle but just be another choice
Riding around the Great Dividing Range in Queensland, I'd love an electric motorbike - if there were more charging options here. I have enjoyed a loud bike in the past, but the idea of a weekend ride in near silence through forest and mountains (without having to peddle) is so appealing.
Is it me or are the tail lights too low? Looks like a moped from the back.
Other than that I think it looks great. Shame about the cost but it's a milestone first from a major manufacturer. It needs to absorb a lot of development costs.
If they can get that charge time down to like 15mins for 100miles highway that'd be Perfect. It'll help with the regen, maybe have a variable regen for a left lever to replace the clutch.
It looks fun but costs nearly 3 times what I paid for my MT10. It maybe juvenile but part of the fun of a powerful naked bike is wheelies, didn't see any of those from the Livewire. I see that it's the future but I don't much like it.
At the weekend I went to the Classic bike show, watched 100s of folks crowding around 20- 50 year old bikes, to see them start, hear their engines and smell the two stroke. Will these bikes be held in such affection in 30 years time?
Amazing road for a bike ride! Lucky boys. 🇨🇦
Just came over from watching Ricky Martins review of his Indian Scout Bobber, with a Freedom Performance 2 into 1 Combat Exhaust. It sounds fantastic. And this is at least 50% of what motorbikes are all about - the sound. Some may say that % is even higher, and I wouldn't argue. So how on earth can any serious biker be drawn to a bike that sounds like a milk float? I seriously doubt electric bikes will attract old school bikers like me. They may attract the kids of tomorrow who've never ridden a twin, triple, or 4 cylinder bike before. Electric bikes? Not for me.
Guy with the black Bell helmet was certainly on it 😀At £28k I think it will struggle to find buyers
Are we forgetting the Victory electric bike? Wasnt that a major manufacturer making an all electric bike?
2:43, you should be fine as long as you stay mainly out of the plains. From what I hear that's where the rain stays.
I have one. Everything he said is true. To me, it’s worth the price for the uniqueness and exclusivity. They don’t build many and it’s not for everybody.
I'd kill to live in that weather. Currently -41c here, snow will be here til May at the earliest.
@Sam Yaza yeah, when it was that cold here, as a low, the high on Mars was -25c. Our high that day was -29. Still, colder north of us, -48. But to answer your question, Calgary.
I can't wait for its release in australia
Great vid and review, personally I think Harley have done a pretty good job.
Unfortunately I’m in love with the internal combustion engine and I will still be when it’s out performed by EV’s.
Plus EV’s really need to come up with a battery tech other Lithium as they take way more resources to manufacture than ICE
Why do so many of these e-bikes seem so unaerodynamic. Wouldn't full fairing be super duper helpful for mileage?
I’m pretty sure the rest of the industry is watching to see how this and other electric bikes do before they come out and take over
80% from nothing in 40 minutes 😂, imagine all your mates filling up their petrol bikes and being on their way in 3 minutes
“Hang on lads, I’ll be with ya in 40 minutes” 🤣🤣.
Sam Kent I live in a more rural part of the US and if you take the twisties to the nearest city and back your looking at 170mi round trip. That’s a deal killer for me even without the crazy price.
And after 45 miles I'll be with you in ANOTHER 40 minutes 😆
Once they can get to a 200 mile range and have 50kW chargers (charge to 80% in 15mins or less), the end of ICE bikes will have come.
@@sv650nyc7 All while simultaneously dropping about 80kg from the current bike weight.
IMO, the weight and toxicity/volitility of the batteries are the two biggest issue with these vehicles.
Range are charge time are a smaller problem.
If anybody takes an EV bike on a ride with friends riding gasoline bikes is a moron to begin with, this bike is like my Buell Lightning after an hour of hard riding youll be glad to get the hell off it & ride your softail ,road king or fatboy for the rest of the day,i own a 1999 Lightening,a 2003 Road King 103 and a 2015 Fatboy 117 and id be proud as hell to own this bike,i have a 55 Panhead ill be selling to get this bike.
I would love to have one to just buzz around town and short trips around here would be perfect. Saying that no way I could afford one but Harleys have always been more expensive. I mean there are electric bikes, not motorcycles bikes, that cost as much as my FJ1100 new now. Still to move along only hearing the wind for some of us is a nice dream.
Harley adds 10k for the name.
So?
@@Eidrian111 So save money and buy a different brand...which is what people have been doing. That's why Harley is doing poorly at this time.
@@DenvarShay if someone is stupid enough to buy an overpriced Harley it’s their own stupidity. That’s what I meant.
YUP! And that's why they're failing as a brand :)
@@Eidrian111 so you're getting ripped off just for a name...
I'M THE GUY ON THE SUPERDUKE! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Genuinely thought you were going to collect that X5 for a second... 12:52
You had me at 28k... where do I sign up, oh wait I can get 2 super bikes for that price... never mind. Cheers Al
That bike is FAST!
Maybe you guys will take a look at the Bronx once Harley gets them ready for press release
I've experienced a few 2 wheeled EVs and TBH they're all fun, even the Segway balance & kick scooters for rent from Lime/ Jump/ Flamingo etc in certain countries.
That said, electric bikes need a new trick that petrol bikes don't have - they need to be able to boost their regen braking power at will. They need to be able to rotate the throttle forward into the negative or past zero throttle position to give proportionally more regenerative braking.
This would give the dual benefits of more regeneration and, negating the need for actual light to moderate braking, in order to reduce pad wear.
The logic behind this is very evident if you spend any time on Segway ES kick scooters. They have a right thumb button throttle and a left thumb button for braking, it's only regenerative, no mechanical braking on the handle bars at all. There is also regenerative braking while freewheeling which is adjustable via the Segway app, but my point is that there's also a manual regen braking control.
E-Bikes need this, it'll dramatically increase their brake pad life, probably to beyond that of petrol bikes - another selling point right...
Incidentally the Segway ES range do have a mechanical brake, it's the same as unpowered kick scoots, you step on the hinged rear mudguard which presses down on the tyre, but you only need that on a super steep downhill or in dire emergencies for quick direction changes.
Personally I can't wait to get myself an E-Bike, I'll still have my Triumph Speed Triple R, Aprilia Dorsoduro 1200, 100cc 2Stroke Yamaha BWS race Scooter, and my mountainbikes. Electric is just the new sibling in an ever growing fun family 👌🏽🇿🇦
I just bought a new Chevy Bolt Premier (Opel Ampera E for my Euro friends) for the same price of the Livewire, and can get double the range. The Livewire is a good demo of tech, but only a small percent will be willing to fork out the money for it.
I bet the Harley crowd is loving this bike :p
I am, I absolutely am!
No. It doesn't have tech from the 1950s on it.
Good honest riders review. Thank you!
You can really see how that thing jumps forward
its a reallt cool looking bike. way to expensive for me but i would buy it.
I’m not ready to give up my Akrapovic yet!
Amen, Brother.
Dennis M oh yes 👍
🤟🤟🤟🤟
@@dale-fi1fi yyyeeesss
Yep you'd be a real loser to give away the akra!
Best sounding Harley yet 😉
There goes the loud pipes save lives motto Harley guys love
CAN IT WHEELIE?
With that much torque, I imagine it could
I love this bike I took one out for a GoPro video was amazing I could stop LOL it was like being a kid again.
Full charge in about an hour is great...although with all of the development going into battery tech, two years from now, the market will be much different.
I wonder if there will ever be a secondary energy storage bank (possibly out of a different chemistry like super caps with a high discharge/charge rate) that will charge on regen, then can be used at wot?
As you say you open the throttle and puts a smile on your face! We call that #torquegrin
awesome, but how'd they get it to leak?
Bet it'll still leak oil.
Very good video! Can't wait to have an electric bike when the price becomes competitive!
An amazing design and craftsmanship no doubt. But the feeling in my gut tells me, there is something missing about electric bikes:) Btw keep these videos coming, cheers :)
Where do you keep the charging wire when you ride?
Like the look of it. Makes me think HD should get into the naked game!
28,000? 8,000 for the Bike, 20,000 for the badge.
You can keep it.
Same range as my old vmax. Gotta give credit to harley, its a brave move by them.
Yes but when you needed to refuel to refresh your old Vmax range and give yourself another 100 miles it took you about 5 minutes and you could do it anywhere you were. On this you get to go 100 miles and then stop for an hour to recharge and go another 100 miles and then stop for an hour. All of that is assuming that you will find a suitable place every 100 miles to recharge. This bike is next to useless with the exception of people who will be using it with 40 miles of their home.
SuburbanHobbyist, there is that yes, but it’s not Harley Davidsons fault the infrastructure is not in place, or at least to point where it’s as accessible as petrol stations. The infrastructure needs to catch up with the manufacturers.
Really like the horn...........🥱🥱🥱
I Bought my Yamaha XSR900 for $9000 this bike are beyond insane in price.
30 sec to fill the tank with $15 of gas and your good for 150 miles is hard to beat.
Let face it Fuel cost never was a issue with bikes like cars.
You guys should try the Energica Ego/Eva bikes.. perhaps a bit boutique (so that could mean crap), but I hear good things about them, yet don't see them tested a whole lot.
I need this bike!
28k... It better come with two spare battery assemblies! The only positive is if you did low side it, insurance will be trashing it. That's a lot of potential in that cell and I wouldn't want to hear the first and last sound made by that bike.
absolutely loved riding the LiveWire. I love riding Zeros as well, but the LiveWire did just feel "better". Not sure if it's worth the extra. Waiting to see what other e-bikes HD releases.
I'm assuming Judge Dredd is in the second group?