Harley-Davidson LiveWire | First Ride Review
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- Harley-Davidson LiveWire | First Ride Review
Thanks to those lovely people at Guildford Harley-Davidson I was lucky enough to get a go on Harley's brand new all EV motorcycle, the LiveWire! Join me as I take it for a gentle ride on some Surrey roads.
Hopefully I will be taking the bike out again soon for some faster roads in better weather (and traffic conditions)!
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I like that you still hear the bike.. didn’t expect that
Yeah me too. I quite like the noise it makes as well.
based on my current fuel costs the live wire would pay for itself in a little over 100 years...sweet
No time at all then! 😂
Have you factored in the re-sale value and the maintenance costs? I reckon if you do you will find that if you own it for 6 years it will be cheaper than taking the bus .
@@Jafmanz - in 6 years you'll probably need to replace the batteries which will cost a fortune.
@@need100k far from buddy, going by the current EVs on the market, you won't have to replace the batteries at all! You may find that if it did 140 miles when brand new, after 6 years you might get 120-130 perhaps. It degrades over time and with charging patterns etc, doesn't just blow up and break
Costs me about 2.4k aud max, a year (brakes/services/tyres) and I ride daily. Go on trips more than 150km...
My bike cost 10k. These things cost 40k. They still have all the consumables except fuel. Now you tell me how long till I recoup that~
I think this is a cool idea from Harley, but 30 grand man...and I’m broke
I’m willing to paid for it if people all switch to electric bikes. When people changed means replacements and electric fuels will become cheaper and easier.
electric fuels?
it's just electricity.... not plural FUELS!!!!!!!!!!
An Harley-Davidson that doesn't bleed oil everywhere..... How the world is changing...
I was waiting for you to say the price, was expecting £25k max, that’s far too much, unfortunately ☹️
Great video Dan as always. I love the electric stuff. It's a whole new type of riding. If they get the prices down I'll be one of the first to buy an electric. 🍻👍
Love it, as soon as prices are bit down, I'll have one.
30k?! They’re having a laugh.
To expensive yes electric stuff is still a niche product for wealthy early adaptors.
is just the same overpriced price of all others hd outdated craps
Best review I've seen of this thing. It looks like a real machine but hella expensive.
Thanks Daniel! 👍
It's a cool looking bike. I kinda like the electric sound. But having no clutch might be a little bothering for me. I really enjoy using clutch transmission. That's one of the joy of riding for me, changing gears with clutch
The jerk jerk jerk of shifting gears gives your senses the feeling of power, meanwhile the guy on the electric bike just left you in his rear view mirror... Nope, can't see you anymore. :)
@@ELECTECHNUT sure, but riding is not all about speed or sense of power my friend
This is awesome. Know it costs a lot but the future looks bright
Thank you! But I must say, it looks like my aircompressor. But that's the looks. Buildquality looks fine to me. But 30k£? I'd rather have a look at the Zero SR/F. Maybe have a go on one of those Dan?
I'll see what I can do! The Livewire definitely looks better in the flesh. 👍
@@Englishbikerdan Funny, I thought it looked good untill I saw it in the flesh!😁
@@johnDukemaster Haha! Fair enough! 😁
Ha!
"have a poo." Haha I miss England so much haha
Does the brake light come on when you lift off and re gen? how does the car behind know you are slowing down?
Not sure tbh but it's really no different to a combustion engine bike with lots of engine braking.
@@Englishbikerdan I know the Tesla cars will automatically turn on brake lights during aggressive engine braking so it would be interesting to know if you get another ride on an electric bike (Zero or otherwise). I've often found myself covering the brakes slightly just to get the lights on as some car drivers are not expecting as much engine braking as bike engines are capable of.
12:33 that laughter says it all😀
Haha thanks bro!
Hootin and Hollerin! Enjoyed watching that. Looks like a blast.
'English Electric Motorcycle Company' they're an electric-focused dealership. You should see those retro-styled ones from Super Soco. (These are significantly more affordable than other electric ones too)
Yay you went past my house! Also, first time anyone has ever called Witley a town :)
Ah it's a village!?
@@Englishbikerdan yeah, although to be honest these days it's almost continuously built up through Milford and into Godalming I suppose.
Can't wait for your zero sr/s, triumph te1, energica reviews
Still trying to get my foot in the door with Zero.
Very well done review. 👍
I’m all for electric bikes, just not at the price point they are at the moment.
Agreed.
Would have to be an addition to the garage alongside something noisy but would be a nice commuting bike 👍
Weeeee, instead of vroom vroom?
That's the bike for me!
Amaizing no Poluicion......... very good
What you have show its not motor, its the battery and cooling motor is back same spot as passanger footpegs
Nice looking bike, but 30 big ones? Their sales are down worlwide for all models - i wonder why.. Great video ya lunatic
Haha cheers Bill. Yeah Harley are kinda "running home to mamma" right now and appealing to that shrinking market they know. It's not good over there, I was really looking forward to the Bronx.
Currently averaging 6000 miles per year at 50 to the gallon comes out at about £650 per year, plus another £250 for servicing, which you allegedly don’t need for the electric bikes. So say £900 a year versus about £90 for sixty overnight charges, you still need about twenty years to break even over an average £12k bike.
I absolutely love the design and colour of it. I think its an awesome looking machine, if money were not object then i'd have one for sure. But unfortunately life isn't like that and so i wont be buying one
Hello from Sweden........great video👍
What's was it like to wheelie?
I know it's electric, but it is a Harley, so I have to ask... Does it leak any oil?
Haha as soon as you said 'whitley' my ears pricked and I was like 'I KNOW THAT PLACE! '
Are you local to there? I'm based in farnham 👍👍
I'm from near there yes.
looks amazing need to make a petrol version
hahaha
People, Don't do the "will pay itself back in..." math!! If people did that with wives no one would be married!! LOL. It's ALL about torque, fun and most importantly, not impeding on other's serenity with the incessant "pay attention to me please" engine revving. But most importantly ...FUUUUNNNNNN!!! It's F'n FUN! Had one for two months now and I'm addicted to electric bikes in general with its type of power (and > 100 mile rage). They're not quite ready for you folks that like day trips yet I must say - that's just not for me so that's why e-bikes suits me to a T!!
Maybe that's why I'm divorced! 😂
Looking good , Dan ... looking gooood 😎🤙
Can’t say electric bikes are gonna win me over soon, I just love the noise of my inline four 😛
I have to admit I was really quite impressed with it. At the right price and with better range, if this is the future, it's looking okay. 👍
Don't want to be mean but it looks like a radiator on wheels to me, But hey this Bike was not built for me. But at least it stands out in look, i do think it will be about a decade-five years till electric vehicles can really be high in numbers due to the need of the charger stations being placed in enough locations yet. From what I've seen and watched the Bike works very well it is not a garage queen which most Harley's end up as. A good Come back to the modern day for Harley Davidson.
I will admit i do not like the design of the handlebars though, i don't like the gap between the top and bottom bar, but that is personal taste.
I'm more of a adventure or Scooter man myself. Don't mind petrol/diesel or Electric as long as i get a good distance per tank or charge.
I'd be worried about how quiet it is... nothing that says 'don't pull out on me' better than a roaring exhaust note.
A fair concern.
the problem is the price, 30k is absolutely disgusting, like vmax, r1, ducatis, I mean you could buy a mt 07 a mt 09 and a mt 10 just for the price of this lol
Is it good for beginers?
*I think Hydrogen fuel-cells are the future of motoring too!*
_Don't know why it hasn't taken off yet_ 🤔
It's very slow. And if it's slow, it makes no sense to be in motorcycles.
For the price of the Livewire you could buy a Street Triple, an MT-10 and a KTM 790 Duke, 3 of the most exciting bikes, or better still just buy one and have twenty grand in your back pocket.
I cannot fault your economics! Although it was still fun to test ride. 🤣
Why does colour have such a difference on price????
One colour is made with unicorn tears, which are hard to find!
The police are driving this in Glasgow for cop26
Cool vid. What licence is required for this bike?
Full bike license.
@@Englishbikerdan Okay thanks.
How long before the battery needs replacing and how much will that cost? I ask because for EV cars roughly 50% of the vehicle cost is the battery, meaning that when it comes time to replace, it will cost more than the residual value of the vehicle.
Apparently the battery has a 5 year warranty.
@@Englishbikerdan That isn't very good, the car manufacturers are doing 7+ Maybe ask HD how much a new battery costs?
I love my Evo :)
Way to expensive. But exciting tech for the future for sure.
Nice Video :)
Don't forget the extra cost of insurance on bike this price...
All bikes need insurance.
EnglishBikerDan yes, but in Canada a $40,000 bike is much more costly to insure. But I guess if someone can afford it the cost of insurance is irrelevant. 😉
@@paultaylorduke True, although I'd say it's probably similar to something like a Panigale! I know which I'd rather have.........:D
Imagine this in a museum one day. Save your money and get a Honda at a fifth of the cost.
Saw one in the weekend, a lot smaller than I thought looked really nice. Pity the price is so much.
Can you ride the live wire on a full automatic licence?
You'll need a full A licence as far as I know.
I would be shitting myself going past junctions on this thing
It is a bit disconcerting!
Give me the engine and exhaust sounds any day!
Nice bike but it sounds like a golf cart.
It is so weird to not hear a rumble
So, no gear change at all?
Nope none! So cool.
Electric bikes are sick... unfortunately, Li batteries of today just don’t work in this application. Can’t live just 80 miles of range when going on a nice weekend cruise. Fingers crossed a few years from now when graphene batteries go mainstream or even Tesla’s recent new tech can be licensed for bikes.. should be fun.
Yep, looking forward to much better range. Tesla need to make a bike.
Nice bike, but i think it must be ridiculously expensive...
Biggest mistake Harley have ever made. Shocking idea from start to finish. And the price! Think of the Softail you could build for that money. Can't see it catching on, to say the least.
Impressive weight - so at least the price per kilogram of this bike does not look that bad :D but what's the point of this whole thing ??
It's a toy, proof of concept, market experimentation, like everything new, it's pushing the boundaries
Replacement battery costs? Sorry for the 30 grand you have to subscribe for the app..... wowzzers
Oh you can well imagine that'll be expensive!
I don't use Money, I shop with the power of thought...
It's not two stroke and I certainly wouldn't say no to trying one out. I would love the experience no doubt. But at 30k it's going to be out of 98% of todays bikers price range. And I would hate to factor in the cost of the battery in the future.
Funny Harley Davidsons is known for loud bike now this and $30k ouch
I'm sure it's a nice ride but not quite the same though is it. 30k emmmm I could buy a really cool Harley Davidson for 30k
Yeah expensive, but that seems to be the norm with EV vehicles.
Outrageous price and lets be honest it's not that good!
I found it very fun to ride, handled excellent and brakes were fantastic. The price, well, it's out of my reach that's for sure!
@@Englishbikerdan Hi Dan, thanks for the rapid response! lol. It may be a fantastic thing to ride and maybe one day we'll all be using them but to the average motorcyclist £30 k is a very large amount of cash to spend on a motorbike. cheers man, ride safe.
@@antonoat Oh absolutely, I agree. Cheers, you too! 👍
The thing looks like a small snake swallowed a hippo.
No clutch wheelie then... 😔
Sadly no, although I've never done one on purpose. :D
Sir can you give me a Harley Davidson electric for my birthday if you don't mind
Umm, if I had that much money, sure! 😂
@@Englishbikerdan sorry sir am desperate to have that maybe next time or in my dreams
10:31 Gotta disagree with you there, Hydrogen may sound like cool tech and it's "fill-er-up in a jiffy" convenient, but economically it's super wasteful. You keep all the maintenace-heavy moving parts and fluids that you lose with electric, green hydrogen and the infrastructure is heaps more expensive than just charging, and using power to turn stuff into hydrogen only to then turn hydrogen back into power is a silly concept at best. For personal transportation E makes more sense whereas industrial transportation does profit more from H, if only to get rid of the massive pollution.
Absolutely agree. Just to satisfy tree hugging knee bending lefties.
I love how he had to blur the speedometer 😂👍👍
I don't know what you mean........ :D
HD just doesn't seem to understand its customers. This is indicating their demise.
Not worth 27k, also real small so only suitable for a 5ft high person or lower
It's good to have a bike not designed for giants for a change! Bit pricey though!
Zero S: Same range for half the price, or twice the range for 2/3 the price. It's no wonder Harley is losing money on this thing.
That’s one expensive appliance
Here's a news flash: people who buy these are not counting their pennies about gas savings!!! LOL. It's ALL about fun , it's "finger ripping good!!"
Yeah, you don't drop £30k if you're worried about money. A very fun bike!
Electric is now expensive🙈🏴
See the documentary 'who killed the electric car' it says all you'll need to hear about vehicles using hydrogen as fuel.
It not £30k it's $30k which is equivalent to £24k
It's £28,995. Like I said near enough £30k.
I thought it was $29,799 which is £23,874.96
@@overratedutube17gaming19 In the UK it starts at £28,995. Check out the Harley UK website.
Unfortunately in the UK a lot of things are priced to the same figure (£50 / $50), ignoring the exchange rate. We get fucked over.
Poor range 30k no sound , don’t think so.
shower forks and suspension he... hmmm
Wow, this totally a scooter.
No gear and also clutch
With that money you can buy a house in México.
Crazy!
BMW have had an electric scooter in their range since 2014. So Harley are NOT the first to bring out an electric bike.
First major manufacturer to bring out an electric MOTORCYCLE.
This bike is OP. Overpriced.
Too quiet 🤫
Pardon? 😁
I’d be afraid to ride with that electric motor between my legs
I've been married for almost 20 years so it's no factor for me now but I just can't afford it....WOW $$$
I mean, I already ride with tiny explosions thousands of times of a minute between my legs so I can’t imagine this being any worse 🤷♂️
So just like a typical harley its underpowered and has crap range. It's like they dont even want to try.
So er how am I sposed to piss off local residents and wake up sleeping babies? Dilemma.. well done Harley.
I pay the money for the gargling sound coursing through your heart, not this...
Not even for a £3k I would have it. Tks, I will drive a electric car one day, but a motorcycle needs combustion...
Renault Zoe
Nissan Leaf
VW ID3
Corsa ev
Vauxhall E Mokka
e up
mii
500 electric
mini electric
smart 2/ 4
mazda mx30
Hyundia Iconic, Soul, eniro
MG5
Cant be bothered listing more as there are least another 20 cars all under 30k.
I like the Bike and I am looking for a well made reliable bike with support from a trusted manufacturer.
But Harley are just greedy, how can they justify 30k when there are half the materials of a car, half the tech of a car.. and I dont buy into the "first" build costs.. most of these EV are the "first" generation...
it is 10k (and that's a lot) off its value this should have been a 20k bike. 30k is ridiculous!
You can also buy any number or combustion engine cars for the price of a BMW GS1250 for example. An EV motorycle is stupendously expensive to do R&D for, as it is not the same as an EV car at all (beyond the basic premise). HD sold these bikes at a loss as far as I remember, even at £30k a pop. HD also not a cheap brand but they took a risk where most would not, I respect them for that.
@@Englishbikerdan what are you talking about all the EV cars have been designed ground up, they are not pre production ICE cars that they simply drop a EV into, for example.. Can you imagine the the cost of a mass production ground up car ie Teslas didnt even brake even on their first run, same with mk1 nissan leaf.. There is 2x as much material costs and tech in a car vs bike, there are 4 wheels, 4 regen brakes, 4x suspension components... I think you know that EV a bike should not cost the same as a EV car.
EV cars have been around quiet a while, so the technology for cars has matured and got much cheaper. In bikes it's a different story, battery cell size and distance are the key issues. Also many manufacturers share R&D costs for cars as they run the same car underneath. Besides, if you're looking for a bike, you're not looking for a car, so price isn't really an issue beyond a certain point. You think people who spend £20k on a BMW GS really would have bought a car instead? Anyway, it is what it is. Hopefully we'll see a cheaper mass produced EV bike soon. Honda, Yamaha, KTM and Piaggio Group are all working together on a shared EV tech. So it's on the horizon.
It sounds horrible
Cut your intro. You cannot possibly be saying anything that important.
No. It's all very important waffle don't you know!
Interesting but no character, no touring range and a maintenance nightmare in a few years. Brave for Harley to build but I would take a Fatboy or Breakout and save 10k.
Hydrogen is NOT a smarter solution. I requires an unnecessary energy conversation step, which ultimately goes to an electric motor. That's why Elon Musk said: "Why would you do that?" Only in specific applications would hydrogen be a better option.
It's not a smarter solution 'yet' but it might yet prove to be when the technology matures. Besides, Elon sells battery EV vehicles so he's ever so slightly biased! The hydrogen fuel cell is better for the environment but it needs much more development and research. I believe the future won't be a battery based electric vehicle.
@@Englishbikerdan I know Elon Musk deeply researches projects from scientific and psychological perspectives. He seldom makes a significant mistake. I would put my money on him any day. :)
That's one ugly ass bike right there! But hey, that's just design. if they can make them cheaper and ride for longer, who knows? But one thing they need to implement in all electric vehicles - the sound! Talking from a pedestrian point of view - i went to Holland for the weekend and three times i got some dude using his signal on me when close behind me walking down the road. Just couldn't hear the damn thing!
The worst Harley ever made, and that says something...
It was super fun to ride. That's all I know.
Good video. crap bike.
I'll take it! 😁
OMG, I.... Do NOT want to pay $$$ 20k + for a electric scooter. There are some things Harley Davidson should not do and this is one of them.
So I made powdered water yesterday.... I just had to add water.
That's the beauty of being a consumer. YOU get to choose where you spend your money. :)
@@Englishbikerdan I realized after my post, I’m just going to shop with the power of thought.
So my cat really prefers a green laser over the red one.
We talked and “yes” we’re setting aside some time to further explore this.
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