Toilet And Shower Wet Venting For Plumbing Drain Pipes In Floor Framing - Project #1
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- www.homebuildingandrepairs.com Visit our website to learn more about plumbing, home repairs and new house construction. This is project #1 and the first video in a series I plan on making for do it yourselfer's, architects, engineers and plumbers who want to learn more about plumbing drain pipe assembly and building codes.
The plumbing codes in most of this video can be found in chapter nine of the Uniform Plumbing Code Book. Others can be found in International Plumbing or Residential Building Code Books and this seems to be creating more issues that I will address in future videos.
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You should always check with your local building department to see what they approve.
One issue is you can’t connect both fixtures at the same place. In many places double y’s cannot be laid on their side. This is because if you turn one side up slightly to get fall then the other side has backfall
I understand and if you can use separate wyes, then I agree. I haven't found a code that says you can use the double wye and have seen it use more than once. Let me know if anyone finds a code reference number.
@@homebuildingandrepairs3122 it’s new to me. I’ve always used them and just laid them level and then graded with the pipe. Even if flat it’s less than an inch of distance that’s flat. However I’ve been flagged on it twice now and I’ve heard this in other groups.
@@homebuildingandrepairs3122 We did share the code reference with you on the other video last month. The double wye violates the 1/4"/ft slope rule, both for fitting itself and for pipe that is force to come off flat or negative off of it. Also violates the code that requires you to follow manufacturers' instructions on all listed devices, which is violated when you do not fully seat the pipe into fitting to tweak the long connected drainage run into having some slope. Plus they clog frequently. It's 100% a code violation
Thank you sir, keep them coming
Will do!
Thank you for sharing, it's a very specific topic considering, as you showed slight changes in drain length from fixture to main drain cause issue. However, it helps anyone to imagine how their specific needs should be approached. The 3D modeling is so nice to see compared to 2D scribbles on a dry erase board. Thanks again!
You're welcome and thanks for the kind words.
Oh my god, you just made this make sense about not wanting liquid to run through the top of the pipes, because that’s for the air
Awesome.
lol wow Im confused 😅
Gotta watch this a couple times
In the first example if we added a separate dry vent before the toilet can we have the y directly under the toilet?
Awesome video thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
👍thanks for the video
Any time!
Thanks! Very helpful. If someone is under IPC (Colorado), could you use one of these layouts in a basement with an AAV (like at the sink) instead of connecting to a stack?
You will need to check with your local building department.
In example #3, is it possible to have a soaking tub wye into the shower drain before it enters to the main 3" line? And with that in mind, how would this work with the vanity and tub switched sides of the room but the DWV 3" going the same direction?
I see videos of venting through the roof because the pipe has to be vertical. Can we vent through the siding?
Yes
will this work also with a double vanity w/cross T??? tia
I think you might be better using a fixture tee or setting it up with two separate drains coming out of the floor.
SECTION 912
WET VENTING
912.1 Horizontal wet vent permitted.
(2021 IPC CODE AND COMMENTARY)
Note that fixtures connecting through a double-pattern fitting are considered to be independently connected to the horizontal wet vent. The individual fixture drains vented by a horizontal wet vent must enter the horizontal wet vent in the horizontal plane so that the connection is not below the trap weir of the connected fixture. Water closets, having integral traps that depend on self-siphoning, are exempt from this requirement. Other fixtures that are not vented by the horizontal wet vent (i.e., vented by a dry vent) can enter the horizontal wet vent horizontally, vertically or at any angle in between.
Water closets, having integral traps that depend on self-siphoning, are exempt from this requirement. according to the 2023 IPC CODE and commentary.
Water closets CAN enter a horizontal wet vent VERTICALLY because they depend on self siphonage AND they CAN but they dont HAVE to enter horizontally according to the information provided in this video
However code in ur area may vary from code in my area, AKA take what I say with a grain of salt, especially if your state, province, etc uses UPC or any other plumbing code
Wonderful and thanks.
I think you misspoke at 7:57. The toilet appears to be the farthest fixture downstream of the vent..
Of that section or group and thanks.
Can you hook up 2 toilet and 2 shower and 2 sinks in one 3 inches abs pipe? I just want to make sure. it’s all in underground one story house no basement it’s all under concrete if you can let me know please thanks . I can sand you pictures if you want thanks
You can have 36 fixture units on a 3 inch drain pipe sloping 1/8 of an inch per foot. This should work for 2 toilet and 2 shower and 2 sinks in one 3 inches abs pipe. Information can be found at 2021 IPC Book - Table 710.1(1) Building Drains And Sewers.
And then there are the code requirements dealing specifically with the toilet. Are you aware of what venting requirements are for a toilet?
Heres something to ponder.... 912.1 Horizontal wet venting states every fixture must connect on the same level of the horizontal. In said section of the commentary the exception on the toilet. This is what it states.... "The individual fixtures vented by horizontal wet vent must enter the horizontal wet vent in the horizontal plane so that the connection is not below the trap weir of the connected fixture. Water closets, having integral traps that depend on self siphoning, are exempt from this requirement". With that being said saying a toilet draws air is not completely correct. A toilet pushes air when flushed that why a toilet does not need to be directly vented and limiting the distance for a toilet to vent is pointless... That would be section 909.1 Distance of trap from vent.
Yes, a little confusing. The I.P.C code says it a little different. I don't get the trap weir part.
@@homebuildingandrepairs3122 The trap weir or crown weir is the part of the bottom of the p trap where the fluids start to leave the trap and travel down the line..... The case of the video you did this would be referring to the trap weir of the shower. Once it leaves that trap it enters the horizontal wet vent and that must be on the same plane.... For example if you traveled lets say 2 feet from the shower trap to the wet vent and you double 45 down to said vent then that would not be entering the horizontal wet vent at the same plane therefor the shower would need to be individually vented.
@@jwblount7802 That's what I thought and if it's in the code, it does not make sense. It would require a little more math and fixture location might vary. To make it work, your bathtub might need to be moved a few feet in a few different directions:)
@@homebuildingandrepairs3122 I do it everyday just like I described and it works like a champ. I do on average 50 -60 custom homes a year on average, I did 85 of them last year and plumbed everyone of them just like this..... What I have noticed with the IPC it is more on pipe sizing, increase the pipe size and the farther away from the vent the trap can be. But as for the toilet drawing air from the shower it does not.
I did a log cabin house years ago and they want ZERO vents through the roof just AAV's. I told them at least 1 has to go out for relief. Nope not gonna happen.... Within 6 months of moving in the house locked won't flush of flushes very slowly and pushing on all of the shower traps. So I went back out there drilled about 12 or more 1/4" holes in the outside cleanout..... Been flushing and draining like a champ ever since.
No horizontal dry vents allowed below flood level rim of the fixture it's serving. the dry horizontal vent serving the toilet is wrong in example 10, also example 11 is wrong on the horizontal dry vent below flood level rim of the shower.
Thanks
Long Island NY plumber here, we run horizontal dry vents all the time here. Perfectly acceptable. Would be damn near impossible not to run them with the way they build houses now here.
It's 6 feet not 8 feet... x2 plus 2 on the diameter of pipe
“Vents protect traps”
Which examples here are not code compliant?
Which code are you under? #1 he already mentions is a violation (but IRC only I believe). #3, #7, & #8 have a horizontal double wye violation (lack of 1/4" per foot violates IRC & UPC). #9 he mentions is a violation, but that is actually only under the UPC.... IRC allows this. #10 & #11 show a prohibited flat vent arrangement, violates both UPC & IRC
@Grrnhumb I can't argue with this and don't like the double wye set up if you can avoid it, but table 706.3 in International Plumbing Code Book allows it for #3, #7, & #8. As far as #10 & #11, I've seen it done by licensed journeyman plumbers in floor framing and will address the issue more in a future video. As far as the International Residential Code And the The Uniform Plumbing Code goes, You should always check with your local building department to see what they approve.
@@homebuildingandrepairs3122 Table 706.3 does not mention a double wye, so no it does not allow for it. Examples 3, 7, & 8 are violations. When you've seen flat venting like in examples 10 & 11, that was not recent (ask your plumber). Those are flagged violations in all areas of the country now. Do you need the code sections again?
I perforate the top of the waste lines with a 1/8” bit the entire length of the pipe. No venting needed!