This November, voters will have to choose between Clinton and Trump. Clinton may be an "unperfect friend," has Maher described, but she's far, far better than the alternative.
WHAAT? You don't like Clinton or her policies, and yet you are voting for her? You do understand that there is someone muuuuuch more qualified for the position right!!??? Sanders please America!!
+Gabriela Jones Sanders wont win plain and simple because there are a good amount of people that dont know the difference between communism and socialism, and that either of them is the apocalypse.
+Gabriela Jones Because Fran Leibowitz is smart enough to know that it is about winning. Bernie won't win the nomination and cannot win the general. She is smart enough to know that Bernie pushed the democratic nomination further left. The alternative is Trump. Who by the way is more liberal that the rest of the pack and yet is a fascist! Hillary is more qualified than ANY of the nominees including Sanders. Her policies you may not like, which are for the most part the SAME as Sanders but she IS the MOST qualified!
+Gabriela Jones My thought as well! Clinton represents the establishment and the big corporations. Bernie could actually fix this country, it needs a loooot of work.
I love listening to Fran Lebowitz,not because I agree with her on every topic(I don’t),but because she gives her honest opinion,not a watered down version meant to appease the listener.The problem with most politicians and commentators is they are more concerned with being popular then with being honest.
I love listening to General Hayden speak (he's been on Realtime several times, also in the documentary "Zero Day") --- always very wise and thoughtful insights on complex security & military issues.
+Jimmy Mcloud Not only black, but Latino, Asians, women, LBGT, labor unions, and many other Democrats. Blacks are just one of her biggest voting blocks. Also, I could turn that around and say "whites will torpedo Hillary's campaign. See how bad that sounds!!!
DO YOU FEEL IT YET? I DO, I FEEL IT ALL OVER. Is that what you keep telling your missus?! No matter how many times you say it, it won't change the reality.
General Hayden mentioned that the recidivism rate of released Guantanamo Bay prisoners is 30%, as if that "fact" justifies keeping it open. Firstly, the word recidivism refers to former convicted prisoners who return to criminal behavior after their release. If a person was never convicted in the first place, he is considered innocent, and can thus not be considered recidivist, even if he goes on to commit a crime in the future. Legally speaking, he would be a first time offender, not a recidivist. Secondly, what happened to the idea that it is better to let a hundred criminals walk free than to convict one innocent person, let alone imprison him without even bothering with a prosecution or conviction? How can the idea that 70% of un-convicted former prisoner do NOT offend after release be an argument for indefinite detention?
A gun isn't an 'equalizer' it's an 'escalator'. People who are 'trained' know this. It doesn't magically end an attack, it can arm your attacker, like a knife, or bat, or hammer, etc. A gun, on its own is just a weapon. A weapon is only equal to its operator.
GREAT panel. Man...it's so nice to dive in to bathtub full of sober, reasonable thinking. I disagree with Dyson about Obama's race issues. He doesn't have a magic wand. And the REAL messages he's given have fallen on deaf ears. Watch his speech from the the launch of "My Brother's Keeper." It's about acknowledging hurdles but climbing over them via PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. That's not what people want to hear.
+Paul Michel Terrorist from other countries are not American citizens, which means they aren't entitled to the same Constitutional rights as Americans. Waterboard them all, I say. :)
+MoonlitDevil_ ok. Why don't you go over in Afghanistan and get a job as a contractor of some kind and start telling opining in the Kabul Starbucks (yes, I know) and see how that works out for you?
+MoonlitDevil_ Princess ok. For the purposes of argument, I don't care about what's lawful and moral, I care about how the world looks at us and specifically how this plays when it is used to recruit terrorists. Also, please go submit yourself to waterboarding and if after doing so, you think it's perfectly legit as a tool I will retract my position and say waterboard the mofos no matter if they are innocent or guilty.
+USEDWAT ---Canada here I come...I still have hope for Bernie tho, letting dumbass Nevada/SC determine the fate of his campaign is NUTS! Tuesday we'll see..
I agree with Liebowitz in regards to voting for Hillary in regards to voting for the most competent and probably the most realistic of what can be done in government. It doesn't matter if you're likable our criteria should have competency at the top. I've always felt TV has ruined on what we SHOULD be looking for when we determine our leaders.
Old people are misinformed by the corporate media and still brainwashed by cold war propaganda to be afraid of socialism, Bernie won't get the age 50+ vote. Younger people are lazy fucks who will complain about politics on the internet all day long but when ship comes to shore would rather sleep in than go out to vote. Case in point, Nevada. I'm sorry for being so cynical, but I believe it's over. Hillary will win the primary and then lose to Trump.
"There is a lot of idiots who do not know what they are doing with a gun..." Bill, I am sorry. Are you self-aware enough to say to yourself, "you know, maybe I shouldn't buy a gun because I am an idiot." No one believes they are an idiot. If they say they are an idiot, it is because they are smart enough to know just how much they don't know. I hate it when people say, "they just don't know how to use it and it is their fault when bad things happen." I believe in personal responsibility and taking responsibility, but you and I both know that the majority of people who walk into a gun store with the intent of buying a gun already believe they are smart enough to be able to use it correctly. And these people are the same ones who have a much greater chance of becoming a statistic. If I had my druthers, gun ownership would follow the same rules as car ownership. You have to take classes and prove you are responsible before you are allowed.
+FungusMossGnosis look if you are his fan, then I am sorry if you offend you. But a man that just shouts out lines he like "Why don't we close Guantanamo!!!!" does belong in any debate. Whatever one thinks of Mr. Hayden of the CIA he at least provided substance. The only man that could challenge him with real hard data is Glenn Greenwald, the journalist that broke the NSA surveillance story.
Arber Gega Not offended, not particularly a fan of MR. But shouting out slogans and shit is what this show is all about. That's all Maher wants his guests to do, and Ruffalo being the sensitive soul he is, he let's his emotions fly.
You're sooo right. Everyone else is making salient points and arguments and using metaphor and hyperbole, and he's like a bull in a china shop or a child just having a tantrum. And get your arm off the general, you'll never be his equal.
+Frank Jay I'm just thinking back to that _All in the Family_ ep where Archie gets a gun...hhmm, maybe not such a good idea for lunkheads or dingbats, all should have to pass a quiz first.
Getting a gun in America is incredibly easy. Millions of gun owners are not killing anyone right now. And this is coming from a leftist. I am the true liberal, not this crap about people can't protect themselves. That is retarded.
Insecurity breeds guns and gun culture. But the real problem is not enough abortions. Unwanted kids kill people and take up jail space that could be used to house Trump Administration Officials. Free Abortions!
That Lebowitz woman makes no sense. "I'm a liberal democrat, I can't stand the Clintons, but I'm voting for Hillary Clinton." Yeah, because there's no liberal democrat option to choose from. What a tool.
+David Hutchinson Donated $44 today to Bernie. BERNIE OR BUST! Hillary: 89/4,051 pledged delegates. Bernie: 63/4,051 pledged delegates. Both at 2%. This is far from over!
If I had been the head of an agency with "security" in the name on the day 3,000 Americans were killed in a terrorist attack, I'd apologize, step down and never be heard from again. It honestly makes me angry to see him, though Hayden presents as a reasonable thoughtful man.
+Jordan bickett Bush was warned repeatedly by the security agencies that a terrorist attack was imminent yet he chose to ignore them, you should probably be blaming Bush instead.
"I don't like the Clintons." "Who wants fracking? Other than people in the business?" "I'm voting for HiIIary CIinton, and I want her to be president."
+Sterowent I think she means if she gets the nomination? If people are stupid enough to make her the nominee, what else do we do ... not vote ... with maybe up to 4 Supreme Court justices at stake ?
+Ro Ban Yes, but the people are not exactly coherent and together in forcing them to do anything ... that is the problem that Bernie is trying to address.
+Sterowent yea that just blew my mind. Talking about voting for Hillary and not knowing about her position on fracking. On a "news" talk show with an "expert" panel.
Come ON Bill! You can't be THIS ignorant about guns! "Safe from a guy in the bushes"? Please do the research on the rarity of 'the guy in the bushes' being an actual threat to single women - UNLESS he is someone the woman knows, usually intimately!
+Kay Omholt-Montague This statement from him--along with another segment from this episode--sadly confirm that Bill is not qualified to be a political expert. Sigh... There are so many times I really want to hold him in high regard!
+Misael Franco Because you may like the alternative candidate even less. Sometimes you don't have a good choice, but rather, a choice of a lesser evil. And by people not voting, based on their principle of not getting "their" candidate, they forget that you may be putting in a much worse candidate in office.
No, it's just logical. I'm for Bernie too, but if he doesn't win the nomination, I'm still going to vote. I'm not going to stay home and hope that Trump doesn't win the WH. Bernie, would tell you the same. He says it all the time, "Republicans win, when democrats don't show up."
soccjock7434 No, it's not logical in the slightest bit. Vote for YOUR preferred candidate in the primaries and if the other candidate wins, vote for them then.
You lost me tonight bill, in your interview with the former NSA director you side with NSA and big brother over our constitutionally protected rights Apple is standing up for. Kudos to the former saying he sides with Apple. We need not give up Liberty for security more than we already have. That isn't people being spoiled that's people wanting their privacy. If we give up the things that made us America those who would harm us truly have won. Army Spc 4th 10th Mtn light 03-07
I know, I cringed on that one. But alas, the only person we are in a 100% agreement with on all issues, is ourself, and for most people even that's a stretch. The one thing I do agree with though, is that it's a 'it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation. If the intelligence community doesn't pursue these things, then the first time we suffer a major terrorist attack, they're the ones most of the population wants to crucify. But when they do engage in these activities, then people are pissed over the country becoming a police state. Personally, I'm the type who would gladly trade a bit of security for privacy, because I'm of the opinion that bad shit is always gonna happen, and we can't protect ourselves from every little thing that MIGHT harm us. But a lot of people don't see it that way, and even worse....a lot more people want it both ways.
I'd just like to add; there's also something to be said for the fact that the enemy we're fighting, is something the world has never really seen before, and thus there isn't a playbook on how to handle the challenges they present. Again, those things don't really matter to me all that much, and I'd prefer not to have our privacy violated regardless of the risk. But it's still something to think about.
+The_Laughing_Man Dude seriously, you don't really understand the constitution, do you? That smartphone is evidence after a crime was committed. Imagine you were killed and recorded your murderer with your phone, do you think it an invasion of privacy for the police to search it for evidence? What about a notebook, if you just apprehended a serial killer, would his notebooks be an invasion of privacy for the police to pry, as well as his videos of the killings? It's fine to be skeptical of one's government, but it boggles the mind the fact that you are so, to the point of hysteria, against the government invading your privacy, yet you have no problems with large Multinational Cooperations, with no obvious supervision, having access to it. If the government is asking Apple for the key to get inside the Bernadino's terrorists smartphone, that means Apple has access to that information if it wants to. And I don't know about you but, little as it is, I'll put my trust in a Democratically elected Government before putting it on a large Multinational private company that owns sweatshops and employs child labor. Between the two, who'd you really wish to be the arbiters of justice in this case? Next time, you'll claim you don't want stop signs or stoplights, because they restrict your freedoms and liberties (and will obviously quote Benjamin Franklin). Yet, being the sheepple I am, I think that those are simple necessary tools that pragmatically help run every day life in modern society.
+12from121 How would the public feel if ISIS used elite assassins to take out people like Cheney for example- then publish their reasons- like he was a war profiteer. Imagine if that was to happen. In all honesty I would not disagree- it is almost justifiable- at least as much as a drone. If it is war- I wish they would target the players- not innocent
Jacob Grossman Don't be such an idiot! It wasn't a literal question. I was merely pointing out the double standard and you are the only one who didn't get that fact.
I think America 's so called moral authority (as referred to by Coles) lies more in having enlightened and modern military elites a represented here by this general, than the "public sphere" represented by the intellectuals on the table and the actor-activists. that was a good explanation of the legal framework of detainees as legitimate acts of war. I agree with the appreciation that this segment was better than the show.
+Will Rogers We're not at war. Not under US or International law. The next time us expend the effort to drag your knuckles out of the dirt and across your keyboard, spend it more wisely.
I enjoyed this, it's so much better when the panel isn't all talking or yelling at the same time. Some weeks it's hard to watch when the guests act like they're on the Murray show.
"Statistics show that you are a lot less likely to be injured by a gun if there are no guns around" - That reminded me of the quote by George W. "Teach a child to read, and he or she will be able to pass a literacy test."
Dear Bill Maher, Please have Michael Hayden on as often as possible! He had a lot of insightful thoughts and knowledge. Plus unlike a lot of the guests on the show who just like to hear themselves talk, he instead showed appreciation for other peoples view points and waited for them to finish (in a respectful way) and then said what he was thinking (instead of cutting them off mid-thought). I truly enjoyed your show a lot more this week! Thank you
+leetersshs That's passion. We need to be more worried about the calm and collected sociopaths like General Hayden who make their psychopathy sound "reasonable". If I were sitting next to that cunt I'd get a little overwrought too.
That retired general is really smart. They should have let him talk more. And that lady in the Gitmo jumpsuit... talk about missing the point! Maher did a good job setting her straight, though.
You missed the obvious reason. US hasn’t declared war since WW2. One reason for this is they’d have to follow Geneva convention. If they did they’d eventually have to release prisoners of war.
"I can't stand the Clintons or anything they represent. I'm still voting for Hillary though." I may be getting a sense of why American politics is fucked.
There is a tool not being used, it's HARRP. If it was real, we could alter the weather for the benefit of the country, start dropping seed(organic) bombs supplying endless food supply giving more reason to just live, instead of endless war. Dang good episode too!
How awesome would it be if we all decided to destroy all the weapons, from guns to drones and so on, and just fist fight if wars broke out? Usually when I fist fight someone I get all the anger out and we become friends after.
+Collin Farrar At this point it's probably gonna be Trump V. Clinton if there's no brokered convention. If the Republican convention is brokered, I'd guess Rubio would win. In any event, the electoral math just does not look good for a Republican candidate. They'll keep the House, of course. The Senate is kind of up for grabs, but might lean Democrat this year. Messed up system all the way around.
But, General...the President doesn't get to declare war; Congress does that. And anyway, how do you declare war on terror? It's like declaring war on dandruff, it doesn't mean anything. We're just operating an illegal interment camp in Cuba.
I imagine they don't want to bring them here for trial because then you have to talk about how we tortured them, and it would be really tough to keep that high conviction record when your evidence is either non-existent or obtained through harsh unreliable (illegal) methods.
People I've met out on the street yelling their disgust about my Bernie 2016 bumper sticker never look like they're struggling with money to survive the month out. Maybe it's a few years too early for Bernie to win by a landslide but I'm going to do all I can too promote the idea that voting is a cool thing to do at every small election you are allowed to vote in. Bernie could easily beat Trump and most lower middle class families would not be overly taxed with his general campaign message.
What the hell has David Cameron got to do with fracking? Nothing to do with Mark Ruffalo? He's also got the EU referendum do deal with? That's all ready screwing his party up
+Mary Elizabeth You got that right Mary, experience, intelligence and vision will hopefully prevail ! The rest of the candidates on both sides of the aisle will be the worst thing to happen to America ! BERNIE SANDERS 2016
I'm hoping on us too. I know plenty of people who would normally not be politically active going to vote for him, which is good. On the other hand I know a neo-nazi who is voting for Clinton so that Trump can beat her and become president, so there's that
LIES HAYDEN LIES!!!! Drone operators say they can't see who they are killing, but they do have the emotional toll he speaks to.... AND HAYDEN LIES!!!! Says drone strike kills exaggerated they are not.
Everything that Fran Leibowitz said in this entire episode was a platitude or an insult. Everyone else said something of substance, whether I agreed with them or not, but pretty much all Fran had was sarcastic remarks at the expense of people she doesn't like. She condemned the Clintons by saying that when Bill came on the scene in the early 1990's she took one look at him and didn't like him. She seems to be all gut and no brains.
+wolfgangnz3--agreed; after a week off, I can't believe I watched with so much anticipation, only to be completely let down by such an awful panel trying to push pro Hillary garbage in a last ditch effort to motivate America against Trump. Hillary would be just as bad----both will inspire me to immigrate.
The worst part is their best argument is "vote Hillary or Trump wins". That's not an argument, that's an appeal to fear, a lost in a democratic country.
+Chrysanthus If Hillary is the nominee, I'd honestly rather vote for Trump. At least with him you know where you're standing and you can just cycle him out in 4 years. Plus imagine the hilarity.
+Illlium I too would vote for Trump over Hillary. Trump is a buffoon but at least you know that beforehand. And things will change for better or for worse. With Hillary, you don't know what you are getting except that nothing will change, and ordinary people will keep on getting screwed.
I wouldn't vote period. I would not waste my right on voting someone which I don't agree with. Democrats know that's an option and they fear Trump wins because liberals would prefer to not vote over voting Hillary.
FRAN LEBOWITZ "The founding fathers could more easily imagine the iPhone Then they could Mitch McConnell " love it so good
I love how black people see Hilary as a friend even though she takes money from private prisons.
+Karl Marx Lesser of two evils?
+Karl Marx Then black people should boycott Hillary as soon as we boycott criminal activities that land us in those private prisons..
This November, voters will have to choose between Clinton and Trump. Clinton may be an "unperfect friend," has Maher described, but she's far, far better than the alternative.
+Karl Marx Is your profile name and pick meant to be ironic?
So your saying prison is only for black ppl? Smh
WHAAT? You don't like Clinton or her policies, and yet you are voting for her? You do understand that there is someone muuuuuch more qualified for the position right!!??? Sanders please America!!
+Gabriela Jones Exactly what I was thinking!
+Gabriela Jones Sanders wont win plain and simple because there are a good amount of people that dont know the difference between communism and socialism, and that either of them is the apocalypse.
+Gabriela Jones Because Fran Leibowitz is smart enough to know that it is about winning. Bernie won't win the nomination and cannot win the general. She is smart enough to know that Bernie pushed the democratic nomination further left. The alternative is Trump. Who by the way is more liberal that the rest of the pack and yet is a fascist! Hillary is more qualified than ANY of the nominees including Sanders. Her policies you may not like, which are for the most part the SAME as Sanders but she IS the MOST qualified!
+Gabriela Jones My thought as well! Clinton represents the establishment and the big corporations. Bernie could actually fix this country, it needs a loooot of work.
Thomas Williams
Right, magic Bernie will with a drop of his hat change 30 years of corruption. You better change congress too!
This was probably one of the most engaging panels. This group should come by more frequently.
WOW. This is probably the best exchange of ideas I have ever heard on Real Time. Great stuff.
I love listening to Fran Lebowitz,not because I agree with her on every topic(I don’t),but because she gives her honest opinion,not a watered down version meant to appease the listener.The problem with most politicians and commentators is they are more concerned with being popular then with being honest.
I love listening to General Hayden speak (he's been on Realtime several times, also in the documentary "Zero Day") --- always very wise and thoughtful insights on complex security & military issues.
The General gives excellent and reasonable answers and comments. Provides one of the best explanations of Guantanamo.
DO YOU FEEL IT YET?
I DO, I FEEL IT ALL OVER
BERNIE 2016
Bernie's not gonna make it.
black vote will torpedo bernie's campaign
+Jimmy Mcloud Not only black, but Latino, Asians, women, LBGT, labor unions, and many other Democrats. Blacks are just one of her biggest voting blocks. Also, I could turn that around and say "whites will torpedo Hillary's campaign. See how bad that sounds!!!
I'm in your halls, feeling your Berns.
DO YOU FEEL IT YET? I DO, I FEEL IT ALL OVER.
Is that what you keep telling your missus?! No matter how many times you say it, it won't change the reality.
as an English-Australian I love this show, its about as honest a show you can air on US tele
Did
Cool episode tonight. I actually listened to the conversation and stuck around not bored. Even overtime. 😊
Is that Bernie in drag?
LMAO!!!
nooooo hahaha
+tylertyler82 Dumb ass - you haven't a clue who Fran Lebowitz is, do you?
Maybe you should try reading a book sometime. I hate illiterates.
+Lavern Fran is a treasure...sharp intellect, thoughtful, and with a good sense of humor.
Glad to see a normal panel for a change, all were intellectual and spoke out their opinions in a respectful way.
Jerry Jerry
The smartest one at that table is Fran Lebowitz and also the quietest.
+Ogre Dan The about voting for her than Bernie? That was very stupid.
+Lavern I seen we have a Trump fan in the comment section!
Lavern
NO religion is harmless you fascist!
Lavern
You don't know where to begin because you are a Fucking idiot! YOU only see brown and scream terrorist!
+jesushatesyoutoo +Lavern
Hey there folks, relax. Why so angry? There are people that disagree with you. Big deal.
General Hayden mentioned that the recidivism rate of released Guantanamo Bay prisoners is 30%, as if that "fact" justifies keeping it open. Firstly, the word recidivism refers to former convicted prisoners who return to criminal behavior after their release. If a person was never convicted in the first place, he is considered innocent, and can thus not be considered recidivist, even if he goes on to commit a crime in the future. Legally speaking, he would be a first time offender, not a recidivist. Secondly, what happened to the idea that it is better to let a hundred criminals walk free than to convict one innocent person, let alone imprison him without even bothering with a prosecution or conviction? How can the idea that 70% of un-convicted former prisoner do NOT offend after release be an argument for indefinite detention?
"I don't like the clintons for being too right of me. So I'm going to vote for them and not for guy on the left" wtf lol
+Jnthnl And this is precisely why nothing will ever change.
A gun isn't an 'equalizer' it's an 'escalator'. People who are 'trained' know this. It doesn't magically end an attack, it can arm your attacker, like a knife, or bat, or hammer, etc. A gun, on its own is just a weapon. A weapon is only equal to its operator.
some pretty knee-jerk people in that room, at least Hayden is a pragmatic thinker.
+Crimsonphilosophy Very intelligent and insightful. I enjoyed hearing him talk
Really great answer from Michael Hayden in the beginning.
Why is Fran not the only one he's talking to? I'm actually offended she was made to share the stage.
very calm man Hayden. He is direct and careful how he speaks and his point come across well.
Definitely one of the better Overtimes, great conversations!
GREAT panel. Man...it's so nice to dive in to bathtub full of sober, reasonable thinking.
I disagree with Dyson about Obama's race issues. He doesn't have a magic wand. And the REAL messages he's given have fallen on deaf ears. Watch his speech from the the launch of "My Brother's Keeper." It's about acknowledging hurdles but climbing over them via PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. That's not what people want to hear.
2020 Here. This was filmed when we still had hope.
Hi, September 2020 here. Did you think it could get any worse?
Hi, January 2021 here. Did you think it could get any worse?
Mr Ruffalo please stay calm. Bad things happen when you get angry.
Don't claim something is "legal" under war-law when we refuse to officially declare war, General.
I came here looking for this very comment. Thank you for confirming my bias :)
The whole idea of closing Gitmo was to stop holding prisoners without trial in a land that's supposed to be the beacon of Democracy.
+Paul Michel Terrorist from other countries are not American citizens, which means they aren't entitled to the same Constitutional rights as Americans.
Waterboard them all, I say. :)
+MoonlitDevil_ ok. Why don't you go over in Afghanistan and get a job as a contractor of some kind and start telling opining in the Kabul Starbucks (yes, I know) and see how that works out for you?
+MoonlitDevil_ Princess ok. For the purposes of argument, I don't care about what's lawful and moral, I care about how the world looks at us and specifically how this plays when it is used to recruit terrorists. Also, please go submit yourself to waterboarding and if after doing so, you think it's perfectly legit as a tool I will retract my position and say waterboard the mofos no matter if they are innocent or guilty.
I kind of missed have someone more conservative on the panel. It was kind of like they were all preaching to the choir for the most part.
+Bianca Clark no we had enough of conservative bullshit over the recent weeks.
+Bianca Clark it was a shitty panel..every time gruffalo brought up a good point he was shot down
+Bianca Clark Yep, it's boring when they all have the same viewpoint. They should've had Steve Schmidt or someone similar - then you'd have a show.
if you guys don't vote Bernie in you are finished
socialism doesn't work
+Carbon Based Life Form lol
+Carbon Based Life Form but democratic socialism might
He wont be president
+USEDWAT ---Canada here I come...I still have hope for Bernie tho, letting dumbass Nevada/SC determine the fate of his campaign is NUTS! Tuesday we'll see..
I love love love Fran but disagree with her, as a liberal democrat she has a opportunity to vote for the real thing #FeelTheBern
I agree with Liebowitz in regards to voting for Hillary in regards to voting for the most competent and probably the most realistic of what can be done in government. It doesn't matter if you're likable our criteria should have competency at the top. I've always felt TV has ruined on what we SHOULD be looking for when we determine our leaders.
I will not eat the chicken Bill. Bernie or bust.
Old people are misinformed by the corporate media and still brainwashed by cold war propaganda to be afraid of socialism, Bernie won't get the age 50+ vote. Younger people are lazy fucks who will complain about politics on the internet all day long but when ship comes to shore would rather sleep in than go out to vote. Case in point, Nevada. I'm sorry for being so cynical, but I believe it's over. Hillary will win the primary and then lose to Trump.
That is perfectly fine, be cynical. I do believe we are on a video of a man that made a whole special about it.
Anyway I refuse to vote for her.
+Chancelor Grey Absolutely right.
+Chancelor Grey #BernieWriteIn
+tylertyler82
No ! Because a write in is just a vote for the Reps!
I see why he was the chief at NSA, highly intelligent, intellectual, well spoken.
I love what she said " I have less mix feelings" Right on!
FUCK THAT!!!! FUCK THAT!!!!!!
haha, loved that bit and the crowd really seemed to feel it, it could have been the most catchy election slogan ever.
He was gonna turn to the hulk their for a min.
"There is a lot of idiots who do not know what they are doing with a gun..." Bill, I am sorry. Are you self-aware enough to say to yourself, "you know, maybe I shouldn't buy a gun because I am an idiot." No one believes they are an idiot. If they say they are an idiot, it is because they are smart enough to know just how much they don't know. I hate it when people say, "they just don't know how to use it and it is their fault when bad things happen." I believe in personal responsibility and taking responsibility, but you and I both know that the majority of people who walk into a gun store with the intent of buying a gun already believe they are smart enough to be able to use it correctly. And these people are the same ones who have a much greater chance of becoming a statistic. If I had my druthers, gun ownership would follow the same rules as car ownership. You have to take classes and prove you are responsible before you are allowed.
+Akkadian Azeroth I agree with this x10000
Mark Ruffalo is just making noise.
+Arber Gega
No, that's what you're doing. You have no point, unless it's under your hat.
+FungusMossGnosis look if you are his fan, then I am sorry if you offend you. But a man that just shouts out lines he like "Why don't we close Guantanamo!!!!" does belong in any debate. Whatever one thinks of Mr. Hayden of the CIA he at least provided substance. The only man that could challenge him with real hard data is Glenn Greenwald, the journalist that broke the NSA surveillance story.
+Arber Gega debate? what the fuck were you watching?
Arber Gega Not offended, not particularly a fan of MR. But shouting out slogans and shit is what this show is all about. That's all Maher wants his guests to do, and Ruffalo being the sensitive soul he is, he let's his emotions fly.
You're sooo right. Everyone else is making salient points and arguments and using metaphor and hyperbole, and he's like a bull in a china shop or a child just having a tantrum. And get your arm off the general, you'll never be his equal.
Bill Maher is right on the guns comment. Women should be able to protect themselves against larger targets.
+Frank Jay
I'm just thinking back to that _All in the Family_ ep where Archie gets a gun...hhmm, maybe not such a good idea for lunkheads or dingbats, all should have to pass a quiz first.
Getting a gun in America is incredibly easy. Millions of gun owners are not killing anyone right now. And this is coming from a leftist. I am the true liberal, not this crap about people can't protect themselves. That is retarded.
Insecurity breeds guns and gun culture. But the real problem is not enough abortions. Unwanted kids kill people and take up jail space that could be used to house Trump Administration Officials. Free Abortions!
That Lebowitz woman makes no sense. "I'm a liberal democrat, I can't stand the Clintons, but I'm voting for Hillary Clinton." Yeah, because there's no liberal democrat option to choose from. What a tool.
+tylertyler82 That puzzled me too...there is a real liberal...his name is Bernie Sanders. FEEL THE BERN!!!!
+David Hutchinson Donated $44 today to Bernie. BERNIE OR BUST! Hillary: 89/4,051 pledged delegates. Bernie: 63/4,051 pledged delegates. Both at 2%. This is far from over!
He's the best black president we've ever had.
To steal from Mean Tweets, "Mark Ruffalo... is that the face you're going with?"
If I had been the head of an agency with "security" in the name on the day 3,000 Americans were killed in a terrorist attack, I'd apologize, step down and never be heard from again. It honestly makes me angry to see him, though Hayden presents as a reasonable thoughtful man.
+Jordan bickett Bush was warned repeatedly by the security agencies that a terrorist attack was imminent yet he chose to ignore them, you should probably be blaming Bush instead.
2:38 I never heard that point before, that you can really only judge your contemporaries, but with people older or younger, you're just guessing.
"I don't like the Clintons."
"Who wants fracking? Other than people in the business?"
"I'm voting for HiIIary CIinton, and I want her to be president."
+Sterowent Her insane logic is exactly why the Clinton Democratic establishment will change nothing, and it's exactly what is wrong with this country.
+Sterowent
I think she means if she gets the nomination? If people are stupid enough to make her the nominee, what else do we do ... not vote ... with maybe up to 4 Supreme Court justices at stake ?
+Ro Ban
Yes, but the people are not exactly coherent and together in forcing them to do anything ... that is the problem that Bernie is trying to address.
+Sterowent yea that just blew my mind. Talking about voting for Hillary and not knowing about her position on fracking. On a "news" talk show with an "expert" panel.
***** if you watch mark, you see he knows this. it is laughable.
This Fran Lebowitz character (I must have read her, I read Vanity from time to time) is pretty awesome. I'll have to look her writings up sometime.
*Fran... wth lol
LOL! Yeah thanks.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm just here for Fran.
Laws of armed conflict? Since when the U.S. military has restrained itself by the "laws" of military conflict?
Come ON Bill! You can't be THIS ignorant about guns! "Safe from a guy in the bushes"? Please do the research on the rarity of 'the guy in the bushes' being an actual threat to single women - UNLESS he is someone the woman knows, usually intimately!
+Kay Omholt-Montague This statement from him--along with another segment from this episode--sadly confirm that Bill is not qualified to be a political expert. Sigh... There are so many times I really want to hold him in high regard!
Wait it doesn't matter if you don't like or agree with Hillary? Why vote for someone who you don't like?
+Misael Franco Because you may like the alternative candidate even less. Sometimes you don't have a good choice, but rather, a choice of a lesser evil. And by people not voting, based on their principle of not getting "their" candidate, they forget that you may be putting in a much worse candidate in office.
+Misael Franco Establishment logic
Especially when there is a real progressive who is gaining significant votes off Hillary.
No, it's just logical. I'm for Bernie too, but if he doesn't win the nomination, I'm still going to vote. I'm not going to stay home and hope that Trump doesn't win the WH. Bernie, would tell you the same. He says it all the time, "Republicans win, when democrats don't show up."
soccjock7434 No, it's not logical in the slightest bit. Vote for YOUR preferred candidate in the primaries and if the other candidate wins, vote for them then.
@9:45 you can tell Fran had that line ready to go instantly.
You lost me tonight bill, in your interview with the former NSA director you side with NSA and big brother over our constitutionally protected rights Apple is standing up for. Kudos to the former saying he sides with Apple. We need not give up Liberty for security more than we already have. That isn't people being spoiled that's people wanting their privacy. If we give up the things that made us America those who would harm us truly have won.
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Thank you sir for remembering your oath and defending the constitution.
I know, I cringed on that one. But alas, the only person we are in a 100% agreement with on all issues, is ourself, and for most people even that's a stretch.
The one thing I do agree with though, is that it's a 'it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation.
If the intelligence community doesn't pursue these things, then the first time we suffer a major terrorist attack, they're the ones most of the population wants to crucify.
But when they do engage in these activities, then people are pissed over the country becoming a police state.
Personally, I'm the type who would gladly trade a bit of security for privacy, because I'm of the opinion that bad shit is always gonna happen, and we can't protect ourselves from every little thing that MIGHT harm us. But a lot of people don't see it that way, and even worse....a lot more people want it both ways.
I'd just like to add; there's also something to be said for the fact that the enemy we're fighting, is something the world has never really seen before, and thus there isn't a playbook on how to handle the challenges they present.
Again, those things don't really matter to me all that much, and I'd prefer not to have our privacy violated regardless of the risk. But it's still something to think about.
+Brett Perry I am little confused with your reply. First you said you cringed, then you repeated the exact sentiments of Bill Maher. ????
+The_Laughing_Man Dude seriously, you don't really understand the constitution, do you? That smartphone is evidence after a crime was committed. Imagine you were killed and recorded your murderer with your phone, do you think it an invasion of privacy for the police to search it for evidence? What about a notebook, if you just apprehended a serial killer, would his notebooks be an invasion of privacy for the police to pry, as well as his videos of the killings? It's fine to be skeptical of one's government, but it boggles the mind the fact that you are so, to the point of hysteria, against the government invading your privacy, yet you have no problems with large Multinational Cooperations, with no obvious supervision, having access to it. If the government is asking Apple for the key to get inside the Bernadino's terrorists smartphone, that means Apple has access to that information if it wants to. And I don't know about you but, little as it is, I'll put my trust in a Democratically elected Government before putting it on a large Multinational private company that owns sweatshops and employs child labor. Between the two, who'd you really wish to be the arbiters of justice in this case?
Next time, you'll claim you don't want stop signs or stoplights, because they restrict your freedoms and liberties (and will obviously quote Benjamin Franklin). Yet, being the sheepple I am, I think that those are simple necessary tools that pragmatically help run every day life in modern society.
Chris Christie: the next Secretary of Transportation
+Hubris Bliss Only if he rents himself out for blimp rides.
obama:
2008: i'm
2009: closing
2010: guantanamo
2011: bay
2012: i
2013: mean
2014: it
2015: you
2016: guys!
He came that close to give the classified ''cover name'' of the drones... LOL
Dyson is a good speaker. No "umm"s and "aaah"s. He speaks clearly, with focus and says a lot quickly. I like that style of speaking.
Just for a second..... I thought it was Howard Stern in the thumbnail xD
You are not alone
Wonder how the USA will feel about drones when others start firing a few back.
+12from121 How would the public feel if ISIS used elite assassins to take out people like Cheney for example- then publish their reasons- like he was a war profiteer. Imagine if that was to happen. In all honesty I would not disagree- it is almost justifiable- at least as much as a drone. If it is war- I wish they would target the players- not innocent
+12from121 Right, because america would tolerate foreign drones without starting world war 3, what a dumb statement.
+12from121 Then the dial should be turned UP; Gen. Hayden's point was quite clear and reasonable.
Jacob Grossman Don't be such an idiot! It wasn't a literal question. I was merely pointing out the double standard and you are the only one who didn't get that fact.
I think America 's so called moral authority (as referred to by Coles) lies more in having enlightened and modern military elites a represented here by this general, than the "public sphere" represented by the intellectuals on the table and the actor-activists. that was a good explanation of the legal framework of detainees as legitimate acts of war. I agree with the appreciation that this segment was better than the show.
If you have a pool you improve your odds of drowning too
+Mr. Feeny Yeah and if you own a car.... blah, blah, blah. Terrible analogy.
Hayden is a liar. The civilian toll is very clear. Every word that leaves his mouth is sophistry.
civilians die in war
+Will Rogers We're not at war. Not under US or International law. The next time us expend the effort to drag your knuckles out of the dirt and across your keyboard, spend it more wisely.
4tech69 Im just stating fact. And thank you for your suggestion, you are most kind.
hayden was also one of the primary lobbyists to charge Edward snowden under the espionage act...
+Will Rogers Your comment was void of any fact[s].
Ruffalo's totally drunk in this one.
Fran Leibowitz in a strap-on is so scary I just stabbed myself in the brain for thinking it.
rofl
Yeah, that's what you should do, because if seeing a lesbian automatically triggers that image in your brain, you definitely got issues.
+rubber chicken
Too fuckin' funny!!!
+rubber chicken - Is Fran the mother to Fawn Leibowitz?
+Bull Falls I dunno. Google...
Christie as a Pit Boss in Atlantic City!!! LOL!!! I love it!!!
What a painful show tonight, including Maher. Mark Ruffalo was the only one worth listening to.
+Steve Ennever Michael Hayden was interesting, i agree about the others
+Steve Ennever are you out of your mind ? you're such an irrational liberal you should have been on that panel
I disagree with Mark Ruffalo on everything. I still respect him and enjoy listening to his opinion.
I enjoyed this, it's so much better when the panel isn't all talking or yelling at the same time. Some weeks it's hard to watch when the guests act like they're on the Murray show.
"Statistics show that you are a lot less likely to be injured by a gun if there are no guns around" - That reminded me of the quote by George W. "Teach a child to read, and he or she will be able to pass a literacy test."
Great show!!! Bill keeping it real & not trying to be politically correct!
perfect mix of guests; a pleasure to see a smart, civilized round table.
+Van Rozay "I am a proud cuck" - Van Rozay
Emotional bond! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Dear Bill Maher,
Please have Michael Hayden on as often as possible! He had a lot of insightful thoughts and knowledge. Plus unlike a lot of the guests on the show who just like to hear themselves talk, he instead showed appreciation for other peoples view points and waited for them to finish (in a respectful way) and then said what he was thinking (instead of cutting them off mid-thought). I truly enjoyed your show a lot more this week!
Thank you
Don't make Mark Ruffalo angry. You wouldn't like him when he's angry.
Mark needs to stop yelling
+leetersshs
That's passion. We need to be more worried about the calm and collected sociopaths like General Hayden who make their psychopathy sound "reasonable". If I were sitting next to that cunt I'd get a little overwrought too.
+leetersshs It's just typical of actors. They're loud and spend their lives being loud, sometimes they need to tone down a bit though.
We love you, Fran. "Write on" with the understanding and smart comments.
That retired general is really smart. They should have let him talk more.
And that lady in the Gitmo jumpsuit... talk about missing the point! Maher did a good job setting her straight, though.
Electing Hillary Clinton to fix the economy is like hiring the plumber's wife to fix your sink.
Vasilijan Nikolovski Wife of a bad plumber, i agree
+TheHehe1223 -"it's like hiring Stevie Wonder to describe a picturesque sunset for you."
What's wrong with the economy?
+tatisjoa lot of thing, dont trust Washington phoney numbers.
JTron24 haha yup, it's nice to see other monday morning podcast fans on here.
Am I the only one who thinks this is the worst panel?
+neosoontoretro Yeah, except for my nigga though
+Veli Masuku That's whom I hated the most. Race baiting a-hole.
+neosoontoretro And the worst possible timing from Maher: right when Bernie needs the most support...
+Rammbock Everyone who is watching RT is probably already supporting Bernie, anyway.
+Shaun we can only hope
I kept facepalming at everyone constantly on this episode... My head hurts now.
You missed the obvious reason. US hasn’t declared war since WW2. One reason for this is they’d have to follow Geneva convention. If they did they’d eventually have to release prisoners of war.
that general is so out of everyone's league, especially because I can't tell what his political views are. A real pro
"I can't stand the Clintons or anything they represent. I'm still voting for Hillary though."
I may be getting a sense of why American politics is fucked.
***** Thankfully as a non-US citizen it's not my problem anyway.
There is a tool not being used, it's HARRP. If it was real, we could alter the weather for the benefit of the country, start dropping seed(organic) bombs supplying endless food supply giving more reason to just live, instead of endless war.
Dang good episode too!
"...some people don't think ahead."
"Or even behind."
How awesome would it be if we all decided to destroy all the weapons, from guns to drones and so on, and just fist fight if wars broke out? Usually when I fist fight someone I get all the anger out and we become friends after.
to true. good comment
Both Bernie and Hillary are beating trump in the polls vote Bernie it's not hard to realize
+Collin Farrar At this point it's probably gonna be Trump V. Clinton if there's no brokered convention. If the Republican convention is brokered, I'd guess Rubio would win. In any event, the electoral math just does not look good for a Republican candidate. They'll keep the House, of course. The Senate is kind of up for grabs, but might lean Democrat this year. Messed up system all the way around.
But, General...the President doesn't get to declare war; Congress does that. And anyway, how do you declare war on terror? It's like declaring war on dandruff, it doesn't mean anything. We're just operating an illegal interment camp in Cuba.
I imagine they don't want to bring them here for trial because then you have to talk about how we tortured them, and it would be really tough to keep that high conviction record when your evidence is either non-existent or obtained through harsh unreliable (illegal) methods.
Ruffalo, Dyson and Leibowitz are a few of my favorites.
People I've met out on the street yelling their disgust about my Bernie 2016 bumper sticker never look like they're struggling with money to survive the month out. Maybe it's a few years too early for Bernie to win by a landslide but I'm going to do all I can too promote the idea that voting is a cool thing to do at every small election you are allowed to vote in. Bernie could easily beat Trump and most lower middle class families would not be overly taxed with his general campaign message.
Very sharp panel this week.
+Robert Wilks sharp my ass....
+USEDWAT? I think he was being sarcastic!!
What the hell has David Cameron got to do with fracking? Nothing to do with Mark Ruffalo? He's also got the EU referendum do deal with? That's all ready screwing his party up
STILL FEELIN' THE BERN!!! Let's go SC!! We're counting on you!!
+Mary Elizabeth You got that right Mary, experience, intelligence and vision will hopefully prevail ! The rest of the candidates on both sides of the aisle will be the worst thing to happen to America ! BERNIE SANDERS 2016
+Mary Elizabeth Not gonna happen ... unfortunately.
+Mary Elizabeth
Can't wait to see what all the white millenials are going to say when Bernie loses because of blacks and latinos.
I'm hoping on us too. I know plenty of people who would normally not be politically active going to vote for him, which is good.
On the other hand I know a neo-nazi who is voting for Clinton so that Trump can beat her and become president, so there's that
At first I thought this was about 2020 but then remembered Bernie lost SC twice😕
LIES HAYDEN LIES!!!! Drone operators say they can't see who they are killing, but they do have the emotional toll he speaks to.... AND HAYDEN LIES!!!! Says drone strike kills exaggerated they are not.
the number are more undercut than exaggerated. It is a sad world.
Everything that Fran Leibowitz said in this entire episode was a platitude or an insult. Everyone else said something of substance, whether I agreed with them or not, but pretty much all Fran had was sarcastic remarks at the expense of people she doesn't like. She condemned the Clintons by saying that when Bill came on the scene in the early 1990's she took one look at him and didn't like him. She seems to be all gut and no brains.
You are more likely to drown if you have a pool
Holy shit Bruce Banner needs to relax
He's always angry
+Lohan Cindy nice reference lol
One of the worst episodes in a long time.
+wolfgangnz3--agreed; after a week off, I can't believe I watched with so much anticipation, only to be completely let down by such an awful panel trying to push pro Hillary garbage in a last ditch effort to motivate America against Trump. Hillary would be just as bad----both will inspire me to immigrate.
The worst part is their best argument is "vote Hillary or Trump wins". That's not an argument, that's an appeal to fear, a lost in a democratic country.
+Chrysanthus If Hillary is the nominee, I'd honestly rather vote for Trump. At least with him you know where you're standing and you can just cycle him out in 4 years. Plus imagine the hilarity.
+Illlium I too would vote for Trump over Hillary. Trump is a buffoon but at least you know that beforehand. And things will change for better or for worse. With Hillary, you don't know what you are getting except that nothing will change, and ordinary people will keep on getting screwed.
I wouldn't vote period. I would not waste my right on voting someone which I don't agree with. Democrats know that's an option and they fear Trump wins because liberals would prefer to not vote over voting Hillary.
This is the segment they should have used for the show last week, what went out on HBO was not as good in my opinion.
I love a good intellectual conversation...
And then there's Mark Ruffalo
That was funny a" pitboss in Atlantic city".