Salman Rushdie: "College should be a safe space FOR thought -- not a safe space FROM thought". How genius was that?!! :) He is really amazing -- the whole panel was phenomenal!!
I think that its amazing how they trivialize and generalize the idea of political correctness, the same way that people do that for the "me too' movement. OF COURSE there are instances where it goes too far and it needs to be moderated, but it doesn't need to be done away with because some people go overboard. The idea of political correctness is essentially that you don't say anything racist or misogynistic. Don't be a jerk. I don't find that to be even slightly challenging. The victimization that people feel because they are asked to moderate their speech in order to be polite is something that people who have manners can do naturally, or maybe that only applies to Canadians and Brits. Bill Maher is upset because he used the slur "field nigga" on his show and there was backlash. It doesn't occur to him that many Black people actually don't use the N word, because it deeply offends them and that in a time where Black people are still experiencing potent racism where we don't have substantive civil rights and risk being murdered by law enforcement, its not too much to ask that you don't use that word. IF you feel like a victim for being maligned for using the word, then you should imagine how Black people feel experiencing racism everyday. Its so much easier for many white people to casually drop the N word, explain why its not wrong when they do it than to say Black Lives Matter or to actually do something about racism, including not using the N word. Sounds like privilege. People taking more offences to being asked not to say something offensive is ironic. Racism is an everyday occurrence that people try to describe by saying they experience micro-aggressions. What it is in most like, is constant emotional abuse, that has real medically documented STRESS induced diseases for the people experiencing it. The same can be said of misogyny. The idea that inviting people to college campuses who want to give racist or misogynistic speeches is not damaging and harmful, is belied by the experiences of those who are on the receiving end. Although Salman Rushdie hasnt personally experienced a student telling him that they were offended and harmed by his lectures, I am certain there are countless other students who have experienced that, because there are volumes of books, media etc that attest to that. I can attest to that. Having a teacher who makes racist or misogynistic comments makes you feel unwelcome and uncomfortable in class, and more importantly a target for other students. Because, if there is one thing Trump has shown us, is that a leader sets the tone. Racism is at an all time high because of the hateful things that Trump says. Some people will take other people's racist / misigynisitc speech and translate it into hateful action.
@@jaem.1565 no.... You should listen to everyone even the bad cause if you don't you won't know how bad they are pushing away people you don't agree with is not a solution making them understand your point is the solution. Making a misogynist/racist/islamophobe individual understand why he is wrong instead of shutting him out is more important
@@sohamdas7314 that's a tad unrealistic, don't you think? Hyperbole at best & naiveté at worst. All the David Dukes and Proud Boys of the nation need is a good talk? If only they had the opportunity to have a conversation. You sound like you're saying "there's good people on both sides." No. There are assholes and there are bigots. You are describing bigots. But bigot or not this is still a money issue. It's students fighting for control of what they pay for. And that loudest minority bit is a fckn myth that keeps repeating. Yet it's the PC crowd - changing the vocab- who is afraid of new THOUGHT? That's just retarded.
Jae Ehm : you’re wrong, and here’s my opinion as to why down below. (I need to tag someone else, so I’m placing my response to you and them on a different comment)
Vivian Vance was actually quite attractive. She was definitely not a bulldog in a dress. She was just outshined by Lucille Ball’s dynamism and thin arms and legs, which is what most males prefer.
This Bret Stephens dude is amazing. An objective conservative who is capable of seeing things as they are. (I didn't think there were any left!) I've only seen him on MSNBC once. Now I need to dig up more videos of him and columns written by him.
Chriss M....not sure if I understand your response. From what I remember in the show Salman is against PC, safe spaces and the like......yet, I'm almost certain he is a Liberal.....so....what am I missing in your comment/implication?
The sooner the Republican Party can finally disengage from theocrats, the sooner they will capture enough votes from the left and actually win the popular vote again. That's what it would take. No more Pences, Cruzs, Huckabees or Santorums.
Dewayne Thomas The same thing happened with Julian Assange. Bill Maher had an remote interview with him during the primary and said that he wanted him out of the embassy where he now resides and then Maher invites all these dick-heads from deep state who say it was Russia who hacked the Podesta emails. They show no proof how it was done by Russia and they never discuss what was in the emails and they never discuss the primary was rigged and Bernie Sanders was cheated. That's one thing, another thing was that Julian Assange confronted him about making donations to Clinton because there was a bunch of emails Wikileaks released with information of the donors. where it showed William Maher from L.A. gave Clinton $1 million. And when Assange brought it up Maher laughed it off and said it wasn't him but it was a very forced laughter, so I don't believe he told the truth and they went on to talk about other things after that. So Bill Maher played both sides: he endored Sanders on his program while he gave donations to Clinton. Honestly any progressive invited on Maher's show would make them look like a bunch of out of touch idiots like Cornel West, Jeremy Scahill, Glen Greenwald. I bet I could give these idiots run for their money.
Dewayne Thomas The same thing happened with Julian Assange. Bill Maher had an remote interview with him during the primary and said that he wanted him out of the embassy where he now resides and then Maher invites all these dick-heads from deep state who say it was Russia who hacked the Podesta emails. They show no proof how it was done by Russia and they never discuss what was in the emails and they never discuss the primary was rigged and Bernie Sanders was cheated. That's one thing, another thing was that Julian Assange confronted him about making donations to Clinton because there was a bunch of emails Wikileaks released with information of the donors. where it showed William Maher from L.A. gave Clinton $1 million. And when Assange brought it up Maher laughed it off and said it wasn't him but it was a very forced, fake laughter, so I don't believe he told the truth and they went on to talk about other things after that. So Bill Maher played both sides: he endored Sanders on his program while he gave donations to Clinton. Honestly any progressive invited on Maher's show would make them look like a bunch of out of touch idiots, guests like Cornel West, Jeremy Scahill, Glen Greenwald destroyed Maher. I bet I could give these idiots run for their money.
Dewayne Thomas The same thing happened with Julian Assange. Bill Maher had an remote interview with him during the primary and said that he wanted him out of the embassy where he now resides and then Maher invites all these dick-heads from deep state who say it was Russia who hacked the Podesta emails. They show no proof how it was done by Russia and they never discuss what was in the emails and they never discuss the primary was rigged and Bernie Sanders was cheated. That's one thing, another thing was that Julian Assange confronted him about making donations to Clinton because there was a bunch of emails Wikileaks released with information of the donors. where it showed William Maher from L.A. gave Clinton $1 million. And when Assange brought it up Maher laughed it off and said it wasn't him but it was a very forced, fake laughter, so I don't believe he told the truth and they went on to talk about other things after that. So Bill Maher played both sides: he endored Sanders on his program while he gave donations to Clinton. Honestly any progressive invited on Maher's show would make them look like a bunch of out of touch idiots, guests like Cornel West, Jeremy Scahill, Glen Greenwald destroyed Maher. I bet I could give these idiots run for their money.
This story does not make sense. So Tim Gunn and his sister come to J. Edgar Hoover's office because their dad is a low level agent there and they get to meet his big boss once each year. However for some reason the dad is not present and two ordinary kids are brought in to Hoover's office at the same time as an unrelated celebrity. Except wait, Gunn says Hoover was dressed up as Vivian Vance! So Hoover dresses as a woman and is seen by two kids and I suppose others in the office. I don't believe a word. This has nothing to do with Hoover's sexuality or alleged cross dressing. It is an unbelievable story and the definition of "false news." In the extremely uptight atmosphere of Hoover's FBI, would you let your kids in to see the very big boss without being there to make sure they didn't make a bad impression?
Jim Moore - I agree that it makes little sense, but isn't the definition of "false news," because he presented it as an unverified anecdote and nothing more.
Haha, I saw the ending of the "Vivian Vance" story coming a mile away. XD **edit**Also, "Hearing people is a precondition of disagreeing with them." Couldn't agree more.
Completely on board with Bret Stephens. I am a proud Republican, but I could never vote for someone like Mike Pence, Mike Huckabee or Ted Cruz. The GOP has to drop this religious nonsense.
@Ned Hill Might I direct you to the First Amendment, which establishes that no religion may be established over any other in this country? Also, it says later on in the Constitution that there should be no religious test for anyone seeking office. Freedom of religion means that we do not have to have religion forced on us if we do not want it.
@Ned Hill Ever hear of precedents and interpretation of the law? "There was no separation of church and state until the supreme court case in the 1930s and those were activist judges." That's because the whole point of Supreme Court cases is to interpret the law, especially constitutional law. It says very clearly in the first amendment that the government shall "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" and Jefferson himself explained this in a letter to the Danbury Baptists that this was intended as a Separation of church and state. And how could it not mean a separation of church and state? By virtue of what you said "the government cannot found a church" would not be a law if the government and religion were not kept separate. Because even at our country's founding we had a nation comprised of multiple religious traditions and the government had to represent them all. Unlike many countries, we are not a monolith when it comes to citizens and the country's legislature has to handle a country where everyone is free to practice whatever religion they so choose, or to practice no religion at all. No US citizen can be compelled to follow any religion that he or she does not want to. Plain and simple.
Farah Farah we used to live in a building right next to his in downtown LA and our grocery shopping excursions often synced up. Bumped into him several times and eventually turned into his de facto "photographer" when people stopped him and wanted to take a picture. Always a super nice guy, always wearing a suit and he always had time for anybody that wanted to meet him.
I would love if the media made a collective effort to ignore trump's foolishness and instead exclusively cover issues. Bernie just introduced single-payer legislation with the highest democrat support ever, ethnic cleansing is currently going on in Myanmar, America is still at war in Afghanistan after 16 years, but we want to talk about the ignorant thing trump said?
RIght on! The capitalist corporate media never even reports on the war in Afghanistan. Who's winning? Who died? What's the strategy? We just trust those to run the war who couldn't win it in 16 years!
"Bernie just introduced single-payer legislation with the highest democrat support ever," With not hope of ever passing or getting though a republican majority congress or senate. In other words, useless and pointless. "ethnic cleansing is currently going on in Myanmar, " It's happening to Muslims so the American people actually are in favor of it. "America is still at war in Afghanistan after 16 years" Yeah a lot of media has addressed that snowflake, in fact it is trump who is making it so.
I did not even see the part to which you refer, but I know this is one of Bill's pet peeves to a fault. He can afford to eat a healthy diet that tastes good and probably have it cooked for him to boot. I eat healthy and have a healthy weight. It takes nearly every penny of whats left from Rent, Insurance, Car maintenace, utilities... you get the picture, Bills a hypocrite. and annoying to boot. He's been annoying since he started broadcasting from his house. Something changed him and not for the better. Thank goodness for a few good guests who try to keep the discussions rational and nuanced
"It is important that we bring a non-judgmental attitude of mind into the commons, not because we are to refrain from making judgements but because of the care with which they must be made." Peter MacKinnon
Pano 360 Trump did do something right, he had a good campaign. Unlike Hillary. She lost to an orange puffball ffs. That's ultimately on her, and people should stop making excuses for it.
The Clinton camp and a lot of people, myself included, did not know how many cockroaches under rocks there were that would respond to Trump's messaging. Bannon and Manafort knew it and they were able to leverage it to a razor-thin victory.
guys, you need to understand nuance. fran wasn't referring to trump doing "something wrong" with his campaign - she was talking about trump doing wrong things like calling mexicans rapists, grabbing headlines for talking about grabbing pussy, and shit like his lame-ass nicknames for other candidates. of course, that could've been part of his "campaign strategy", but if so, it would've been highly irregular and completely untested strategy. if anything, scandals used to destroy candidates, back in a more rational era. and FWIW, hillary and her campaign made lots of mistakes - key among them, skipping the swing states in the final weeks. but there were also many external factors that contributed to the loss, such as comey's random (unsubstantiated) accusation, and the fanatical following that trump somehow managed to attract. the electorate was so polarised and even toxic that it defied all the analysts. the election was a singular anomaly. btw, this does NOT exculpate hillary one bit... it was just a huge mess and she sucked at reading what was going on.
Brad is only a "traitor" becasue he proved that american soldiers murdered innocent people for fun... and whereas he's a traitor and was punished for proving this, they have never been bought to justice: either for the murders, or for the cover up... let that sink in...
Great panel on the show tonight. All of these people were to the point, articulate, and none of them interrupted each other! That was also the BEST close to your show I have seen to date. Thank you.
Tlotus No. It rather sucked ass tbh... I wonder when Bill maher will dare to refresh his guest panel a bit and actually include other actuall people from the left that are outside the establishment bubble, arguably apart from Cornell West... The right is certainly represented but on the left it is a bit of a circle jerk...
Allow me to sort out the "bread bags on the feet" issue that Bill Maher cannot seem to wrap his head around: they were to keep the feet warm and dry. It didn't matter if your shoes soaked through, your feet stayed warm and dry. Plastic grocery bags work quite nicely if you don't have multiple bread bags.
Regarding the 'bread bags on the feet' issue: I think Bill has it wrong here. It seems he believes Joni Ernst wore bread bags instead of wearing shoes but it was much more likely she wore them inside her shoes to keep her feet dry on rainy days. Growing up in Brooklyn, I remember putting cardboard inside of sneakers (running shoes) to keep my feet dry when I had worn a hole through the soles of the shoes. I could see using the plastic as liners inside of shoes for the same reason, so it's plausible!
I don't see the resemblance between the two but yes, I fully agree with what he said. The Republican party has become completely intoxicated by Christianity
9:37........ Definition of oleaginous 1 :resembling or having the properties of oil :oily; also :containing or producing oil 2 :marked by an offensively ingratiating manner or quality
Interestingly, my Dad was in the FBI for 4 years during the early 50's and J. Edgar Hoover 's term. He never really wanted to talk about it, even when we got older. I don't even know if he was in the upper echelon. Tim Gunn we have this in common! 😊
Harvard's decision to invite Chelsea Manning was bold; the dis-invitation was weak. I was glad a leading institution willing to give someone like Chelsea a chance (shouldn't we all deserve a second chance?); it shows humanitarian side of our academia. It turns out Harvard is not bold enough against convention.
Colleges are full of PC. This idea that it is a myth that colleges are PC is ludicrous. I really wonder how many college kids could have a reasonable, calm, and educating discussion on political issues without getting emotional. Leave the emotion out of it! Debate logically, with facts, and with your opinions; and don't be offended when other people come back at you with their own opinion.
Adam Bomb Care to enlighten us as to how single payer healthcare, free public college, reducing the bloated (over $500 billion) military budget, and increasing taxes on the richest 1% will institute a monarchy or enslave the citizenry?
Adam Bomb I thought not. Besides, why would you take advice from a guy that was so dim he got himself killed in a duel with a political rival. He didn't even know his own weaknesses, in regard to his ability. What would he know about the weaknesses of "Democratic Socialism"? Besides which, Democratic Socialism is already in effect. Ever heard of taxes? You know, the wealth that gets used to pay for public services. I guess we are enslaved to the republican corporate masters because we rely on the police, fire department, the military, and roads.
Hey, at least the guy realizes that big corp controls the GOP. Gotta give him a little credit at least. I would much rather Bernie but I voted Hillary since it was the only choice left at the end. Trump was never an option.
Bernie is another narcissistic cranky old white man. If you watch the TV show The Crown on netflix, Bernie reminds me of Winston Churchill when he got to be old. When are millennials going to support a woman or younger person of either gender?
Hey Bill, there's nothing with having four people on TV all over 60. With age comes wisdom. Moreover, I don't think America's agist. It just favours youth.
America is actually ageist to the youth currently. Google "Stanley Druckenmiller Ted Talk." He shows the elderly in America have the best standard of living and quality of life in the worlds history. George Will has said: "The millennials are going to be this country's first lost generation." The senior citizens get a positive payout from Medicare, Social Security and have real company and government pensions not bullshit 401k's. I'm not some liberal do gooder or conservative. I served in the military and work as a director of finance at Duke Energy. I love facts it allows me to see reality. I think we need to help the millennials they've gotten a shit hand. They got 2008, student debt crisis, all time high food prices, increased taxes, all time high car prices and clowns for president like Barack Obama, George Bush, and Donald Trump. They didn't get good leadership like Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan. It's gonna be a tough time for young people. We are facing a tough time for our youth.
Mckenzie .Latham Well considering he beat Donald Trump in the polls by double digits compared to Mitt Romn.....I mean Hillary Clinton's weak two to three percent, yeah he would have won.
Having traveled to NYC many times, I have to say it is just like every other city in the world I've visited in it is full of self-inflated people who think it's the greatest spot on the planet.
Salman Rushdie: "College should be a safe space FOR thought -- not a safe space FROM thought". How genius was that?!! :) He is really amazing -- the whole panel was phenomenal!!
Delilah Weeks Rushdie really is pretty amazing. And STILL alive!
I think that its amazing how they trivialize and generalize the idea of political correctness, the same way that people do that for the "me too' movement. OF COURSE there are instances where it goes too far and it needs to be moderated, but it doesn't need to be done away with because some people go overboard.
The idea of political correctness is essentially that you don't say anything racist or misogynistic. Don't be a jerk. I don't find that to be even slightly challenging. The victimization that people feel because they are asked to moderate their speech in order to be polite is something that people who have manners can do naturally, or maybe that only applies to Canadians and Brits.
Bill Maher is upset because he used the slur "field nigga" on his show and there was backlash. It doesn't occur to him that many Black people actually don't use the N word, because it deeply offends them and that in a time where Black people are still experiencing potent racism where we don't have substantive civil rights and risk being murdered by law enforcement, its not too much to ask that you don't use that word. IF you feel like a victim for being maligned for using the word, then you should imagine how Black people feel experiencing racism everyday. Its so much easier for many white people to casually drop the N word, explain why its not wrong when they do it than to say Black Lives Matter or to actually do something about racism, including not using the N word. Sounds like privilege.
People taking more offences to being asked not to say something offensive is ironic.
Racism is an everyday occurrence that people try to describe by saying they experience micro-aggressions. What it is in most like, is constant emotional abuse, that has real medically documented STRESS induced diseases for the people experiencing it. The same can be said of misogyny.
The idea that inviting people to college campuses who want to give racist or misogynistic speeches is not damaging and harmful, is belied by the experiences of those who are on the receiving end. Although Salman Rushdie hasnt personally experienced a student telling him that they were offended and harmed by his lectures, I am certain there are countless other students who have experienced that, because there are volumes of books, media etc that attest to that. I can attest to that. Having a teacher who makes racist or misogynistic comments makes you feel unwelcome and uncomfortable in class, and more importantly a target for other students. Because, if there is one thing Trump has shown us, is that a leader sets the tone. Racism is at an all time high because of the hateful things that Trump says. Some people will take other people's racist / misigynisitc speech and translate it into hateful action.
@@jaem.1565 no.... You should listen to everyone even the bad cause if you don't you won't know how bad they are pushing away people you don't agree with is not a solution making them understand your point is the solution. Making a misogynist/racist/islamophobe individual understand why he is wrong instead of shutting him out is more important
@@sohamdas7314 that's a tad unrealistic, don't you think? Hyperbole at best & naiveté at worst. All the David Dukes and Proud Boys of the nation need is a good talk? If only they had the opportunity to have a conversation. You sound like you're saying "there's good people on both sides." No. There are assholes and there are bigots. You are describing bigots.
But bigot or not this is still a money issue. It's students fighting for control of what they pay for. And that loudest minority bit is a fckn myth that keeps repeating. Yet it's the PC crowd - changing the vocab- who is afraid of new THOUGHT? That's just retarded.
Jae Ehm : you’re wrong, and here’s my opinion as to why down below. (I need to tag someone else, so I’m placing my response to you and them on a different comment)
I love Tim Gunn's story.
How fun he got to see Hoover
in drag!
And prove that Hoover was a hypocrite.
Vivian Vance was actually quite attractive. She was definitely not a bulldog in a dress. She was just outshined by Lucille Ball’s dynamism and thin arms and legs, which is what most males prefer.
And Rock Hudson was at the time in the closet. Most of America was oblivious to an alternative secret life amongst us
@@MartineReed they made her put on weight for Lucy to look better.
This Bret Stephens dude is amazing. An objective conservative who is capable of seeing things as they are. (I didn't think there were any left!) I've only seen him on MSNBC once. Now I need to dig up more videos of him and columns written by him.
lol are you being sarcastic? This guy sucks so much I can't imagine thinking he's smart
@Jacob Abbott The way you speak about rural people is why people like Romney can never get elected.
@@priyeshsrivastava8025 ugh, have you no idea what Romney did to amass his wealth? You are worse than the Trump people.
Oh look him up on NYT now. He is such a laughing stock for saying the most moronic things 🤣
Salman Rushdie is absolutely delightful every time he comes on this show
Yes love him. Just bought his new book!
Batman 'PC is wrong, it must stop. People hate Clinton because she's a Woman!' Liberals.
He have to save though , he have fatwa
Chriss M....not sure if I understand your response. From what I remember in the show Salman is against PC, safe spaces and the like......yet, I'm almost certain he is a Liberal.....so....what am I missing in your comment/implication?
I really liked the part where he said, "Colleges should be a safe space FOR thought, not a safe space FROM thought."
"Hearing somebody is a precondition to disagreeing with them"
@Joseph Norm Honestly, the fringe elements of both parties are guilty of this.
@Joseph Norm Why dost thou project and partake in Dunning-Kruger? Very strange!
Tim Gunn classes up everything.
Allison Bauch absolutely.
He sure does, I learned to admire his character watching Project Runway.
Adore him
@@koleyw932 Miss him on that show
I like how Bret Stephens is able to phrase and describe things so playfully and vividly.
Ariana agreed. He's very articulate.
Yeah like Lex Luthor
I liked him too. Going to research some of his work
Ariana That does not make it any less idiotic, That asshole is a science denier.
and he has a cute butt
Brilliant description of Mike Pence, Bret Stephens is awesome
I agree.
A pleasure to listen to a sane member of the GOP
The sooner the Republican Party can finally disengage from theocrats, the sooner they will capture enough votes from the left and actually win the popular vote again. That's what it would take. No more Pences, Cruzs, Huckabees or Santorums.
This video has no comments hits it right on the nail with his comments.
Yes exactly! 9:13 and 10:25.
This was by far the most interesting panel Bill has had on for a long ass time.
Handfart McPantypoop Bunch of limousine liberals who criticize Bernie Sanders and Bradly Manning.
I agree
Dewayne Thomas The same thing happened with Julian Assange. Bill Maher had an remote interview with him during the primary and said that he wanted him out of the embassy where he now resides and then Maher invites all these dick-heads from deep state who say it was Russia who hacked the Podesta emails. They show no proof how it was done by Russia and they never discuss what was in the emails and they never discuss the primary was rigged and Bernie Sanders was cheated.
That's one thing, another thing was that Julian Assange confronted him about making donations to Clinton because there was a bunch of emails Wikileaks released with information of the donors. where it showed William Maher from L.A. gave Clinton $1 million. And when Assange brought it up Maher laughed it off and said it wasn't him but it was a very forced laughter, so I don't believe he told the truth and they went on to talk about other things after that.
So Bill Maher played both sides: he endored Sanders on his program while he gave donations to Clinton. Honestly any progressive invited on Maher's show would make them look like a bunch of out of touch idiots like Cornel West, Jeremy Scahill, Glen Greenwald. I bet I could give these idiots run for their money.
Dewayne Thomas The same thing happened with Julian Assange. Bill Maher had an remote interview with him during the primary and said that he wanted him out of the embassy where he now resides and then Maher invites all these dick-heads from deep state who say it was Russia who hacked the Podesta emails. They show no proof how it was done by Russia and they never discuss what was in the emails and they never discuss the primary was rigged and Bernie Sanders was cheated.
That's one thing, another thing was that Julian Assange confronted him about making donations to Clinton because there was a bunch of emails Wikileaks released with information of the donors. where it showed William Maher from L.A. gave Clinton $1 million. And when Assange brought it up Maher laughed it off and said it wasn't him but it was a very forced, fake laughter, so I don't believe he told the truth and they went on to talk about other things after that.
So Bill Maher played both sides: he endored Sanders on his program while he gave donations to Clinton. Honestly any progressive invited on Maher's show would make them look like a bunch of out of touch idiots, guests like Cornel West, Jeremy Scahill, Glen Greenwald destroyed Maher. I bet I could give these idiots run for their money.
Dewayne Thomas The same thing happened with Julian Assange. Bill Maher had an remote interview with him during the primary and said that he wanted him out of the embassy where he now resides and then Maher invites all these dick-heads from deep state who say it was Russia who hacked the Podesta emails. They show no proof how it was done by Russia and they never discuss what was in the emails and they never discuss the primary was rigged and Bernie Sanders was cheated.
That's one thing, another thing was that Julian Assange confronted him about making donations to Clinton because there was a bunch of emails Wikileaks released with information of the donors. where it showed William Maher from L.A. gave Clinton $1 million. And when Assange brought it up Maher laughed it off and said it wasn't him but it was a very forced, fake laughter, so I don't believe he told the truth and they went on to talk about other things after that.
So Bill Maher played both sides: he endored Sanders on his program while he gave donations to Clinton. Honestly any progressive invited on Maher's show would make them look like a bunch of out of touch idiots, guests like Cornel West, Jeremy Scahill, Glen Greenwald destroyed Maher. I bet I could give these idiots run for their money.
Tim Gunn met J Edgar Hoover.
In drag.
This story does not make sense. So Tim Gunn and his sister come to J. Edgar Hoover's office because their dad is a low level agent there and they get to meet his big boss once each year. However for some reason the dad is not present and two ordinary kids are brought in to Hoover's office at the same time as an unrelated celebrity.
Except wait, Gunn says Hoover was dressed up as Vivian Vance! So Hoover dresses as a woman and is seen by two kids and I suppose others in the office.
I don't believe a word. This has nothing to do with Hoover's sexuality or alleged cross dressing. It is an unbelievable story and the definition of "false news."
In the extremely uptight atmosphere of Hoover's FBI, would you let your kids in to see the very big boss without being there to make sure they didn't make a bad impression?
Go back and listen to the story. The father was present and Tim had a theory.
Jim Moore - I agree that it makes little sense, but isn't the definition of "false news," because he presented it as an unverified anecdote and nothing more.
His father was not a LOW level FBI agent. Gunn's father was Hoover's speech writer and ghost wrote Hoover's books.
His father knew Hoover was a cross dresser and that Vivian vance wasn’t in the office. It was his personal joke .
This was one of your best panels, ever. Several noteworthy quotes, especially about the role of debate on campus. Well done, team!
Tim Gunn coming through that TEA! LOL!
Tim Gunn is such a gentleman and gentle man. Fran Lebowitz is a hoot. Adore Vivian Vance!
"Hyper-piousness" I'm going to have to remember that phrasing.
Derek Richardson, that’s a good one.
That's just his opinion.
@MrHappyBollox 98jk err
Remember to use it when describing AOC, Talib and the rest of the neo-liberals too though ok?
Tim Gunn's J. Edgar Hoover story was hilarious! xD
I like Bill and Fran's privacy vs axe murderer debate.
Gunn, Franz, Sal and Bill, what a delightful group. I wish I was on that panel.
It's adorable how Bill calls Salman Rashid, Sal!!
Great panel wish it was longer
Yes. Agree! I just made the same exact comment!!
vince piazza I wish they kept it shorter by leaving out the Hillary cheerleader
trax72 did you get beaten by a real estate agent in a pant suit when you were a child?
i love when ever Fran is on the panel.
Do you love Fran because you're rich? She a corporate shill who pretends to be a democrat.
Man, I love when Fran Lebowitz is on. The epitome of wit and class.
Great panel this week. Didn’t agree with everything Bret said, but he was awesome.
I just want to hear her say “no capes!”
Haha, I saw the ending of the "Vivian Vance" story coming a mile away. XD
**edit**Also, "Hearing people is a precondition of disagreeing with them." Couldn't agree more.
Completely on board with Bret Stephens. I am a proud Republican, but I could never vote for someone like Mike Pence, Mike Huckabee or Ted Cruz. The GOP has to drop this religious nonsense.
@Ned Hill no u
@Ned Hill Might I direct you to the First Amendment, which establishes that no religion may be established over any other in this country? Also, it says later on in the Constitution that there should be no religious test for anyone seeking office. Freedom of religion means that we do not have to have religion forced on us if we do not want it.
@Ned Hill Except that I studied constitutional law in college, and you are wrong. Case dismissed.
@Ned Hill Except that I studied constitutional law and you are wrong.
@Ned Hill Ever hear of precedents and interpretation of the law? "There was no separation of church and state until the supreme court case in the 1930s and those were activist judges." That's because the whole point of Supreme Court cases is to interpret the law, especially constitutional law.
It says very clearly in the first amendment that the government shall "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" and Jefferson himself explained this in a letter to the Danbury Baptists that this was intended as a Separation of church and state. And how could it not mean a separation of church and state? By virtue of what you said "the government cannot found a church" would not be a law if the government and religion were not kept separate. Because even at our country's founding we had a nation comprised of multiple religious traditions and the government had to represent them all. Unlike many countries, we are not a monolith when it comes to citizens and the country's legislature has to handle a country where everyone is free to practice whatever religion they so choose, or to practice no religion at all.
No US citizen can be compelled to follow any religion that he or she does not want to. Plain and simple.
The way the panel skated over the detaining of a whistleblower was astounding. But let's talk about what city is best
Seattle
@@renebalbuena1173 im from seattle, its the biggest example of a liberal disaster
"A college should be a safe space *for* thought; not a safe space *from* thought" - *Salman Rushdie*
Amazing, Beautiful intellectual conversation! Loved it!
Tim gun is the best
Andy Williams he is a legand
Farah Farah we used to live in a building right next to his in downtown LA and our grocery shopping excursions often synced up. Bumped into him several times and eventually turned into his de facto "photographer" when people stopped him and wanted to take a picture. Always a super nice guy, always wearing a suit and he always had time for anybody that wanted to meet him.
Hyper piousness in the Republican Party. Brilliant
This is one of the best panels ever!!!!
I would love if the media made a collective effort to ignore trump's foolishness and instead exclusively cover issues. Bernie just introduced single-payer legislation with the highest democrat support ever, ethnic cleansing is currently going on in Myanmar, America is still at war in Afghanistan after 16 years, but we want to talk about the ignorant thing trump said?
An American Scheme Someone had too many frijoles on their 🌮
don't forget kim launching missiles over japan, the brexit divorce bill seemingly stalling, and venezuela descending into chaos.
Hamid Manwe "Politics is the entertainment division of the military industrial complex."
Frank Zappa
RIght on! The capitalist corporate media never even reports on the war in Afghanistan. Who's winning? Who died? What's the strategy? We just trust those to run the war who couldn't win it in 16 years!
"Bernie just introduced single-payer legislation with the highest democrat support ever,"
With not hope of ever passing or getting though a republican majority congress or senate. In other words, useless and pointless.
"ethnic cleansing is currently going on in Myanmar, "
It's happening to Muslims so the American people actually are in favor of it.
"America is still at war in Afghanistan after 16 years"
Yeah a lot of media has addressed that snowflake, in fact it is trump who is making it so.
This was a particularly good episode!
I think we should do both, denounce obesity and unhealthy choices like living obese, but also not treat people as lesser than if they're overweight.
Problem is some people aren't obese but have thyroid issue or whatever.
I did not even see the part to which you refer, but I know this is one of Bill's pet peeves to a fault. He can afford to eat a healthy diet that tastes good and probably have it cooked for him to boot. I eat healthy and have a healthy weight. It takes nearly every penny of whats left from Rent, Insurance, Car maintenace, utilities... you get the picture, Bills a hypocrite. and annoying to boot. He's been annoying since he started broadcasting from his house. Something changed him and not for the better. Thank goodness for a few good guests who try to keep the discussions rational and nuanced
"It is important that we bring a non-judgmental attitude of mind into the commons, not because we are to refrain from making judgements but because of the care with which they must be made." Peter MacKinnon
It was one of his best this year, great conversations.
Yeah, what a great panel on this episode. The makings of a fantastic dinner party.
2:26 is one of the best reactions Bill has had in years. The way he clammed up and kept it together while turning red….marvelous.
The panel was great
Fran Lebowitz smashes it with the line “trump didn’t win because he did something right, he won because he did something wrong”. So true.
Pano 360 Trump did do something right, he had a good campaign. Unlike Hillary. She lost to an orange puffball ffs. That's ultimately on her, and people should stop making excuses for it.
trax72 Her point was that "his good campaign" was a bad campaign. Kind of like doing heroin is great, but it's very bad.
The Clinton camp and a lot of people, myself included, did not know how many cockroaches under rocks there were that would respond to Trump's messaging. Bannon and Manafort knew it and they were able to leverage it to a razor-thin victory.
guys, you need to understand nuance. fran wasn't referring to trump doing "something wrong" with his campaign - she was talking about trump doing wrong things like calling mexicans rapists, grabbing headlines for talking about grabbing pussy, and shit like his lame-ass nicknames for other candidates.
of course, that could've been part of his "campaign strategy", but if so, it would've been highly irregular and completely untested strategy. if anything, scandals used to destroy candidates, back in a more rational era.
and FWIW, hillary and her campaign made lots of mistakes - key among them, skipping the swing states in the final weeks. but there were also many external factors that contributed to the loss, such as comey's random (unsubstantiated) accusation, and the fanatical following that trump somehow managed to attract. the electorate was so polarised and even toxic that it defied all the analysts. the election was a singular anomaly. btw, this does NOT exculpate hillary one bit... it was just a huge mess and she sucked at reading what was going on.
He won, because Clinton (both Bill and Hill) did many things wrong.
This was a great episode. Everyone was on form. Made my day.
One of my favorite Overtimes of all, period.
Great panel of people this week.
Bret Stephens absolutely nailed Mike Pence... and Huckabee.
WE LOVE YOU BERNIE!
Bernie, the closet communist.
You are seriously naïve.
Shouldn't J.Edgar Hoover be praised for being ahead of his time? A real pioneer.
great panel. some spontaneous, funny moments! great show ~
Love the crowd and how open they are, this is the way it should be✌✌✌
Is Fran Lebowitz also in Incredibles 2?
*I will never think of Vivian Vance the same again*
The traitor was not Chelsea Manning, it is the people who start war.
the people who start war with lies
Brad is only a "traitor" becasue he proved that american soldiers murdered innocent people for fun...
and whereas he's a traitor and was punished for proving this, they have never been bought to justice: either for the murders, or for the cover up...
let that sink in...
Fucking exactly, everytime the war comes up it should be obligatory to remind people how many deaths are on our hands....
That's one of the reasons why Trump wants the Mex out
Elena Diaz Correction its the fucking soldiers who do as they are told.
The program tonight is the best Maher I've seen.
Great panel on the show tonight. All of these people were to the point, articulate, and none of them interrupted each other! That was also the BEST close to your show I have seen to date. Thank you.
Bill is so right about livin in a house, no matter the size. Amen, dude.
This might be my favorite panel in the history of the show
My favorite overtime segment--on target on every point by all. Students, voters, pundits, and most everyone else need to see this video.
This panel is soo good!
Everyone but Fran. The wig wearing midget doesn't listen to anyone or show any respect.
Tlotus No. It rather sucked ass tbh... I wonder when Bill maher will dare to refresh his guest panel a bit and actually include other actuall people from the left that are outside the establishment bubble, arguably apart from Cornell West... The right is certainly represented but on the left it is a bit of a circle jerk...
The Rune You see Tim Gunn as establishment? LOL
Great panel! Civil disagreement and engagement. Informed and witty. More! More!
Allow me to sort out the "bread bags on the feet" issue that Bill Maher cannot seem to wrap his head around: they were to keep the feet warm and dry. It didn't matter if your shoes soaked through, your feet stayed warm and dry. Plastic grocery bags work quite nicely if you don't have multiple bread bags.
If it's raining, I always put plastic grocery bags over my shoes. Who wants wet shoes and socks??
Well, actually, one puts the bags over the sock before slipping it into the shoe. The bag lasts longer, that way.
But that's not what Joni ernst was implying, she was implying she was too poor to afford shoes at all, which Bill correctly called her on.
Tim Gunn is wonderful... and more interesting everytime I learn more about him.
Regarding the 'bread bags on the feet' issue: I think Bill has it wrong here. It seems he believes Joni Ernst wore bread bags instead of wearing shoes but it was much more likely she wore them inside her shoes to keep her feet dry on rainy days. Growing up in Brooklyn, I remember putting cardboard inside of sneakers (running shoes) to keep my feet dry when I had worn a hole through the soles of the shoes. I could see using the plastic as liners inside of shoes for the same reason, so it's plausible!
Dang, I remember when my family was so poor and doing those things, too :(
Love love love Tim Gunn!! Bring back Project Runway! I'd love to compete!
"College should be a safe space *for* thought, not a safe space *from* it."
Bravo Brett!!
Wow, that last bit by the ben affleck looking guy was pretty respectable and awesome.
I don't see the resemblance between the two but yes, I fully agree with what he said. The Republican party has become completely intoxicated by Christianity
Batman On the thumbnail of the video, when he's facing at Bill, he looks like Ben.
9:37........
Definition of oleaginous
1 :resembling or having the properties of oil :oily; also :containing or producing oil
2 :marked by an offensively ingratiating manner or quality
"Here we back are.."
Trump: "Finally! a part of this show I can understandate!"
salomon your comments on "safe spaces etc" were brilliant
we still need bernie
No, we don't!
What a f*****g kick-ass panel of guests!
What he or she manning did was awesome and it was the right think as a human being!!!
Hope to see Rushdie back on the show. They nearly shut him up for good a few weeks ago
The issue with Harvard was not having her speak, it was giving her the honor of a Fellow, I Call Out .the Lie at Misleading the audience !
Easily the best panel Maher has put together for a good few months.
Indubidably!
It's not sexist. She's just terrible
GREAT ROUNDTABLE!...
I still have no idea why anyone could hate Chelsea Manning
I would love to see Rushdie have his own show. The man is superb.
The Mitary has fully admitted that no one was ever endangered by anything released by Bradley/Chealsea Manning.
Interestingly, my Dad was in the FBI for 4 years during the early 50's and J. Edgar Hoover 's term. He never really wanted to talk about it, even when we got older. I don't even know if he was in the upper echelon. Tim Gunn we have this in common! 😊
Harvard's decision to invite Chelsea Manning was bold; the dis-invitation was weak. I was glad a leading institution willing to give someone like Chelsea a chance (shouldn't we all deserve a second chance?); it shows humanitarian side of our academia. It turns out Harvard is not bold enough against convention.
Fran Lebowitz cracks me up
Colleges are full of PC. This idea that it is a myth that colleges are PC is ludicrous. I really wonder how many college kids could have a reasonable, calm, and educating discussion on political issues without getting emotional. Leave the emotion out of it! Debate logically, with facts, and with your opinions; and don't be offended when other people come back at you with their own opinion.
I'd have to say Bret Stephens is right about Pence, Carson and etc...
Which speaks to him having some level of integrity.
If Bernie Sanders runs for president in 2020, I will vote for him.
colly3333
Same here. Though I doubt he will.
colly3333 That is what we are all hoping. Remember Bernie is only one year older than Trump.
Adam Bomb
Care to enlighten us as to how single payer healthcare, free public college, reducing the bloated (over $500 billion) military budget, and increasing taxes on the richest 1% will institute a monarchy or enslave the citizenry?
Adam Bomb
I thought not. Besides, why would you take advice from a guy that was so dim he got himself killed in a duel with a political rival. He didn't even know his own weaknesses, in regard to his ability. What would he know about the weaknesses of "Democratic Socialism"?
Besides which, Democratic Socialism is already in effect. Ever heard of taxes? You know, the wealth that gets used to pay for public services. I guess we are enslaved to the republican corporate masters because we rely on the police, fire department, the military, and roads.
Hey, at least the guy realizes that big corp controls the GOP. Gotta give him a little credit at least. I would much rather Bernie but I voted Hillary since it was the only choice left at the end. Trump was never an option.
People are so precious these days
FeelTheBern #Bernie2020
LEONIDAS MARTEL shows the sort of wisdom and eloquence the world has come to expect from the Clintons' unhinged, cult-like fanbase.
He is gonna burn..... As in not win
Goo2Plex good one.
I hope he does run, I'd vote for him. And I am not even "Burning"....
Bernie is another narcissistic cranky old white man. If you watch the TV show The Crown on netflix, Bernie reminds me of Winston Churchill when he got to be old. When are millennials going to support a woman or younger person of either gender?
Terrific guests.
Chelsea Manning is a hero, she never put a single person in danger with what she leaked and sent to Wikileaks.
I like this open conversation ...rare
Fran Lebowitz could not have been more wrong about Bernie.
She is just a dumb bitch. How is Bernie a narcissist? It was like she was describing Hillary, not Bernie.
CaptainHappen Does she know anything other than calling people sexist and hating men?
Wow the Overtime was even better the regular program!
Fran's attack on Bernie was gross and out of touch and that New York Time writer is a pious hack.
"...imperfect friend...deadly enemy..." EXCELLENT point
Fran Lebowitz is so pretentious.
At 4:29 when he says "OK besides" it sets off my "OK google" bizarre...
Hey Bill, there's nothing with having four people on TV all over 60. With age comes wisdom. Moreover, I don't think America's agist. It just favours youth.
America is actually ageist to the youth currently. Google "Stanley Druckenmiller Ted Talk." He shows the elderly in America have the best standard of living and quality of life in the worlds history. George Will has said: "The millennials are going to be this country's first lost generation." The senior citizens get a positive payout from Medicare, Social Security and have real company and government pensions not bullshit 401k's. I'm not some liberal do gooder or conservative. I served in the military and work as a director of finance at Duke Energy. I love facts it allows me to see reality. I think we need to help the millennials they've gotten a shit hand. They got 2008, student debt crisis, all time high food prices, increased taxes, all time high car prices and clowns for president like Barack Obama, George Bush, and Donald Trump. They didn't get good leadership like Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan. It's gonna be a tough time for young people. We are facing a tough time for our youth.
DK Youngson then why are all the older farts in charge of everything?
Gtfo...
Godless Libertarian Thank you, I quite agree. My parents are in their 60s and they say the same thing.
Anytime. The old people complain and have always. You can see the elderly of Macedonia complained about a young brash man by the name Alexander.
This talk was straight up fire, great points from everyone!
#Berniewouldhavewon
yeah, i can really see the entire gop going for Bernie...lol.
Jeffrey Dunivant Corparate puppet.
Mckenzie .Latham Well considering he beat Donald Trump in the polls by double digits compared to Mitt Romn.....I mean Hillary Clinton's weak two to three percent, yeah he would have won.
#Bernie2020
Definitely one of the best overtimes
Having traveled to NYC many times, I have to say it is just like every other city in the world I've visited in it is full of self-inflated people who think it's the greatest spot on the planet.
I love Tim Gunn! This was a really great panel.