ARE THE NIGHT LORDS THEIR OWN WORST ENEMY?
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Today we discuss the turmoil within the remnants of the Night Lords Legion. As Brother fights brother...
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“Do you truly think I care what happens to any of you after I am gone?”
-The Night Haunter
Ouch
Guy was so emo that it became hardcore.
>someone who is literally suffering from the biggest case of split personality disorder and existential dread because he knows the terrible future
>"emo"
@@silentsorrowbane Big tiddy goth emo primarch
Sounds like my dad before he went to go get cigarettes and milk... then never came back
"Then you should not have come against us in midnight clad" I really do like that line and it sticks out in my head when ever I think about the trilogy
Their primarchs almost killed Lionel and Gullliman and make Russ realized he is not tough as he think. That's how dangerous they are. Their fighting style is ordered chaos.
“Read it for yourself” im good, your voice is much nicer sounding than the voice inside my head lmao
you’ve GOT to read the Night Lords trilogy
I read in Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device
voices now
"Read it....Boy"
Tranlation: "I can't read"
Jks
@@XRyanK Ya know, the more i reread my comment the more i imagine Dorn as Kratos from the recent GoW. Now i want Dorn and Boy to kick ass like Kratos and Atraeus, maybe across Terra or something in a minor rebellion
The Night Lords are the lowest of the low. They don't believe in anything. Faith, Honor, Brotherhood.
They not only laugh at these things, they piss on them. They are Konrad's greatest fear made manifest: The scum he hunted on Nostramo spreading throughout the stars.
While the Khan and the Raven love freedom, they don't use that freedom to kill people for absolutely no reason. Their power on the individual level rival and even above the wolf. But they can never think how to use them in any meaningful purpose. Even the chaos God can't really use them. It's the mistake that the Emperor didn't just kill Konrad and Angron and tell the legion he couldn't find them or was too late.
@@minhducnguyen674
Part of the problem with Curze is the Emperor took a broken creature and gave him command of a legion dedicated to being terror troops
@@TeutonicKnight92 Right. If emp just let Konrad handle his own system and nothing more, the mess wouldn't be that big. Instead, he let Konrad loose, doing all the holocaust stuff and probably even encourage him to do so. Konrad and Angron are emp biggest mistakes. The emp considered them tools but knowing how fucked up their heads were he should had either lock them up or get rid of them. You don't shoot a gun after knowing you have left it neglected to the point of being rusty, it will blow up in your face. Instead he insisted on letting them loose across the galaxy. In the end, most world conquered by those two end up falling to chaos anyway. But that's not something to be surprised about. Perty and Morty were less messed up and emp still managed to turn those 2 insane. The way I see it, emp would fail raising a dog much less raising a child. Even if they were not scattered, should these guys grow with emp and realized that they were used by him, they would grow doubt and some of them would still fall to chaos.
Can't argue with that.
I like how everyone blames Konrad even though his Legion being what it is is objectively not his fault. His garbage planet gave him the lowest scum. He even purged them for that when he found out. Sth I bet most of the Primarchs would have done. Konrad, and by extension the Emperor are only to blame for their inability to fix them, not for them being monsters in the first place.
There is a great moment in "Blood Reaver" when an ex-nightlord turned Black Legion marine makes the situation clear.
If a Chaosmarine wants more then petty raiding and slow extinction, joining Abaddon is the clear way. Become part of a force more unified and with a greater focus then any other. Abaddon offers brotherhood (of a kind) and a purpose; The Long War!
Yep.. but Ruven still got shanked hehe
Abaddon may have once offered brotherhood, but since his corruption by Chaos I'd say there is no brotherhood, only obedience to Abaddon's whims.
@@DoomStarRequiem Yes, Talos considered him a traitor. And he had been kicked out of the Black Legion for failure.
@@headlibrarian1996 Sure it is still a Chaos army. It isn't a nice place to be. But as Chaos lords go, Abaddon fights more for the warriors of the 9 legions and their "rights" then any other. He is a brutal pragmatic warlord, but he fights for the brothers in black at his side more then most chaos leaders.
failbaddon has too much plot armor to fail amiright
We were murderers first, last, and always!"
- Jago Sevatarion
"I was going to send the Salamanders if you rejected the offers of peaceful integration with the Imperium of Man. But after hearing what you did to my messengers...I'm sending the Night Lords."
-The Emperor.
"I hate the Night Lords!" - Elidibus Harrow, Night Lords Raptor
Decimus will lead the Eighth Legion. At his command, we stand in midnight clad. Ave Dominus Nox!
ADB NEEDS TO MAKE THAT A TRILOGY!
Just got the Night Lords trilogy delivered with the post today ...oh boy 942 pages of pure joy!
Eh..I wouldn't exactly describe it as joyful..
''thank you chapter master dickus'' said with a straight voice is admirable
Anyone else want to see a buddy cop comedy starring a Night Lord and a Salamander as they travel through the warp?
That sounds like a unique and horrifying form of torture. The Night Lord skins his victims alive, and then the Salamander won't stop hugging them afterwards.
That gives me an idea
A Salamander and Night Lord are forced to work together by circumstance in order to survive
@@-Gilver that would be fascinating, however, both, but certainly the Salamander would probably prefer to see the other dead than survive themselves.
@@yible3278 when everything is said and done yeah it would most undoubtedly be a situation that would only end in or be wrought with them trying to kill each other
Or a potential demonstration that perhaps some traitor space marines are not so far gone and lost as we assume. Maybe.....just maybe this situation could show us the potential of something that not even the Imperium of Man as it is believes in
Redemption
@@-Gilver I would love that. One problem. To have redemption u need redeeming qualities: the Night Lords have always been the legion that specialises in not doing that.
The Nightlords pretty much are their own enemy when it comes down to it. They were never unified, restructured or even accepted by their Primarch when it comes down to it. Without that unity and control they're honestly in a position where because of their actions they're irredeemable but because they haven't sworn fealty to a Chaos God they're not corrupted like the other Legions sworn to Chaos. Hell even the Iron Warriors are far gone, I mean we all know about the Daemonculaba. With the right leadership they could be reformed into something better then what they are now but it's tall order let's be real
They were treated as a necessary form of warfare during the Great Crusade that because of the influence of Nostromo just devolved into a mob of deranged monsters. Seeing them like this now just shows how lost and broken they are without some kind of guiding influence to make them more then just small groups of warring gangs.
The Nightlords were doomed from the start I feel like and worst part? The Emperor knew that I bet
I bet he knew that once things were complete for the Imperium, he would do to the The Nightlords what he did to the Thunder Warriors
For some Legions that probably would have been for the best fate compared to where they are now
O 100% the emperor was going to purge some legions but not all of them, Primarchs who at least tried to teach their Legions other ways to live would be fine. But it also would not be after the great crusade, it was clear the Emperor was building his own upgraded space marine. So something was going to happen after the crusade, what we will never know.
@@Fourtytwo4242 the night lords, world eaters and death guard where in the chopping block for sure. Let's us remember that Big E told corax where to get the knowledge of to make better space marines at an even faster pace there was a contingency plan was already in the works
All good but every single "then" in your comment should be "than". Just saying.
Even the Terran Night Lords were criminals from the prison sinks of Terra. Interesting to think about the intended purpose of the Legion, and how it all starts to show that the emperor didn’t intend for the Astartes to be a long term establishment, which has always made me sympathetic to Traitor Marines fighting for revenge against the Emperor’s treachery. I think there’s something to be said about the loyalist Primarchs realizing this as well but refusing to let the fallen legions take their revenge on the innocent imperial citizens.
Decimus will unite the 8th and lead them against the eldar!!!! Ave Dominus Nox!!!!!
I LISTENED TO THE AUDIOBOOKS OF THE TRILOGY. IT WAS GLORIOUS, AND TALOS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS NOW.
Talos is just amazing - i mean on teh darkside - the distance he went when creating that psychic scream across the atsronomicon. Now that really was dark...
@@MrPiccolop I LIKE THE FACT THAT HE WAS AN HONORABLE GUY, AND TREATED HIS SLAVES WELL. AN UNLIKELY PROTAGONIST.
@Leo Nidas AVE DOMINUS NOX, FREN
Really hoping you’ll cover the duel between Xarl and the Marines Errant champion in the book Void Stalker
That’s one of the best fights in 40K
I think he is from the Genesis Chapter.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen
Might have been actually. I think the Marines Errant were in Blood Reaver
His death was actually sad
One of the greatest one on ones written in black library to be fair
Is staying up late, hours before my pre-finals just to watch Wold Lord Rho video worth it?
Yes.
Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk
No one else would take the job (to frightened ) so The NightLords have to be there own Nemesis !
I'VE BECOME SO NUMB, I CAN'T FEEL CURZE HERE!! BECOME SO HERETICAL, SO MUCH MORE AWARE!!
Personally I never saw Konrad Curze as a leader figure. I think the legion followed because Sevatar kept the brothers in line. He kept the legion in check even before the Horus Heresy. Great character!
Hear, hear! Sevatar lives!
This is by far my favorite trilogy. Really impressed that by the end of the series even an insane berserker like Uzas turned out to have an interesting fate.
Take a Legion made almost exclusively of the worst, most amoral scum in the human race. Add Chaos and a dead Primarch and First Captain.
Yes! They are terrible to each other.
I absolutely love it in the audiobooks when Talos calls out "Prey sight" to change his armors visual feed.
Excellent. Just home from work and there's a new Night Lords vid hot off the press. Thanks bunches for the content, Rho!
Keep up the great content wolf lord Rho! When the great wolf returns you will surely be rewarded for your loyalty!
Never been so fast to a new video before, thanks for your upload. Hope the new Year found you well and healthy.
Love the Night Lords. My second favourite legion after the world eaters. Loved finding out more about them.
Nothing like painting Sevatar while listening to a NightLords audio book
The Night Lords stubbornly holding on to tradition honestly makes sense, to me at least, even if it's detrimental. They lack unity of purpose and were never true believers in chaos so what else have they to hold on to? It's human nature. I think the concept of the legion and their Primarch works brilliantly in the setting and I enjoy their story though I can't say I've ever liked or related to them, on a personal level, but I do find this aspect of their character sympathetic.
The Night Lords in my opinion are perfect for Malal/Malice as there god.
Yeah, I like this idea
Iron warriors
@Tom The Terrible I like the way you think
what the night lords need to do is following: decide to either start worship chaos, or refuse it and start fighting it. they need to find a goal for themselfs. without it, they will stay lost in darkness forever.
That like dislike ratio just shows how much community appreciates your videos. Honestly you are one of the best finds on youtube for me in 2020. Keep the good work going mate! Awesome content.
P.S. and your voice - god you must be swimming in ladies :D
Learning more about a legion I knew very little on 👍
I really love how the night lords compare to all the other legions and their story is one of my favourite keep it up Rho
Ofc they couldnt replace me
The iron warriors are unified under their primarch glorius perturabo! Iron within!
Iron Without!
Iron all about
Mafia turf warfare between immortal psychopaths. In outter space. Imagine that.
Decimus, a son of slaves, the heir of Talos and the Prophet of the Eighth Legion will lead the Sons of the Night Haunter to renewal that will see them as a true united force that will show the galaxy real terror.
AVE DOMINUS NOX!!!!
Konrad really could have used a father figure of almost any kind.
Not any kind, most kinds would just get shredded or skinned alive.
My favorite part of each video “what’s up everyone “WOLF LORD RHO HERE”
Ive been reading the omnibus the last couple days, Its strange hearing your selections being read out after I read it the night before. P.S. The amount of shark references then all of a sudden the Red Corsair himself is brought in. Feels like ADB made this to be a bit of a sequel from the Badab War, maybe a love letter to Alan Bligh.
I love the Night Lords they are right behind the Thousand Sons as my favorite traitor legion.
ALL IS NOX
The man likes blue
@@Andrew-yl7lm I like Green better and the Alpha Legion is third. Just like the lore and story of the other 2 more.
Sirion and Uzas are my favourite.
Sirion because he takes the necessary sacrifice to provide heavy fire support with a bitchin' heavy bolter that he hangs onto and refuses to let go of till the bitter end and Uzas because he seems to actually care about some members of the crew.
Night lords have a humor as dark as 40k is grim
4:27 "this is not something a loyalist legion would ever have to comprehend"... Umm.. Blood Angels... black rage..
Those are outliers, and the blood angels as a whole are generally quite close to one another, as sons of sanguinius
Talos should be a character in the Minatures of GW
Very true
You should do a bonus video on septimus and octavia.
Unofficial ABD week also sounds good
Dangit Rho!!! I haven't read any of these books but I've been interested in the Night Lords. Now I have to go and read these books so I can watch these videos without spoilers...Well played..When does GW cut you a check?
The red corsairs are a HUGE warband also.
Short answer, "Yes. So much yes".
Short answer...yes. Long Answer...yes, they bloody well are!!!
“We have come for you.”
WE HAVE COME FOR YOU!
the Night Lords started to fall apart when they found there Primarch. All legions surcome to the traditions of the world there fathers were found on, and it would take no genius to see how negative that would be coming from the hell hole of Nostramo, the poision of the Sunless World infected them from the first aspirants from there. Also i think the traditions of murder duels would be less of an issue in the Legion days, its not really different form the fight pits of the 12th Legion. Fratricide would be answered in the same way in any Legion
Exactly, the world and the Primarch have a direct effect upon the Legion. Take the Space Wolves and the World Eaters, both the XII and the VI were rabid and bloody ill disciplined, needing hardy officers akin to prison guards more than leaders, letting them off the leash on the battlefield and whipping them into line afterwards.
Russ caged the wolf in tradition and discipline, in storied song and heroic deeds, Angron cared nothing for the XII and merely mutilated them with the butchers nails just as he had been, turning their aggression and hatred for authority up to 11.
The Nightlords occupy a completely unique space in the original legions.
They never sought out the approval of their primarch, they laughed and made an absolute mockery of what it meant to be an Astartes, making other legions dislike them on top of their questionable at best-of-times use of excessive violence,
The worst loyalists, and arguably the worst traitors. Had only they seeked Konrad's approval the way the War Hounds sought Angron's.
Now that reroute is back it makes sense for the demon princes to make there return as well
Can we have something about Sevatar? He's the best night lord there is.
Then Talos a very, very close second.
It’s kinda been the theme of the 8 legion of their horrendous action with no upholding to their rule so in theory never believed they had any other rule except their primarch similar to how Conrad only believed in one way that in turn didn’t hold responsible for except the end of it
Thanks dickus!
Hi Rho! What is your opinion on Arch chanel detete action?
its Big wolf time 😈😈
UNCLE ARCH!!!
Talos "we cannot afford more of our legion to die, we have already lost too many Night Lords, therfore Uzas must live for now"
Also Talos *"Then you shall have your blood price"*
I know the book itself talks about how Talos was never a good leader but that was just poor decision making.
It's more of a power play than anything, doesn't mean Talos doesn't still believe in not loosing any more Night Lords. Think of it like this:
1)Talos hates seeing more Night Lords killed, and has loyalty to his squad, his Company, and his legion, in that order.
2) Third claw are demanding to take one of first claw from Talos, granted he's loosing it to Khorne, but he's still one of first claw. If Talos lets them take him, then that puts third claw above first claw in the pecking order, which means they'll demand something from them again and again since he'll back down. It's a sign of disrespect against Talos and his squad. How long before they demand another brother be sacrificed, and another?
3) Taking out third claw in one go for a mark of disrespect and attempted attack, sends a clear message to all the other claws in the company that Talos is not to be fucked with, and potentially gives Talos more leverage to manipulate situations in the future to further unify the Legion once more, avoiding blood shed.
Specifically came here to not read it myself lol 😂
Stop, I am trying to learn there!!!
Like iv zed in other comments I just can't get enough of the lore it's never been about the games more the painting and the lore the older I have gotten the deeper I have gone into it.the Knightlords lore is what I'm steeping myself in at the moment man what can I say ?to say there a bunch of sadistic murderous devants is an understatement lol there perfect! I listened to some fan fiction on the Knightlords called praysite I highly recommend it even though there way way beyond redmsion it showed u that they were is legionnaires and in there own twisted way still carry houner
I like Curze but not the night lords. I like their scheme too but wouldn't paint an army of them yet
I know they want but can you imagine if they brought back
The Night hunter now you want chaos there you go
Justice for Uzas
Ave Dominus Nox
I thought this was part of the Night Lords Trilogy Series? Could have sworn this was in Soul Hunter? Or the 2nd Book? I have legit Dain Bramage, so I could be remembering this wrong.
Where abouts in the UK are you from Rho?
What about Luther's Dark Angel Renegade Legion?
As a diehard 8th legion fanboy.. yes.. the 8th hates itself so much. Lol
Is the xarl fight in blood reaver or void stalker? Hope he covers it just for the hype.
God I hope he does!!! Best fight ever!
I know right?
Void Stalker, when the Genesis Chapter boards the Echo
I just wanna hear wolf lord rho say "Shit. He looks dangerous."
🖤 Ave Dominus Nox
Would konrad kill everyone if he were to come back? Would be cool to have a story of konrad hunting his own legion down but everyone thinks its a chaos demon.
2:53 can some one tell me when were the word bearers use full Xd
(its a joke dont get triggerred)
The Word Bearers are ...... Book Lickers !
Strongest first captain for all legions? As much as I love sevatar, it's got to be kharn.
Big fan of your work, Rho.
But as someone that mains the Raven Guard, I just swooped in to say "Hahaha, fuck the Night Lords and despite the fact the subject was never brought up double fuck the Ashen Claws"
Whats worst getting captured by dark elves or night lords?
Sparrows
The iron warriors are still a single legion as well
Next week: "Before we begin a huge thank-you to Cnut Flapz for the virtual gift voucher. A Huge thank you. Thank you!"
Both the Night Lords as a whole and Curze as a primarch were only 'honorary' imperials at best.
Dumb question but why doesn't Talos just bail on the whole thing? He clearly can tell its all falling to pieces. There's no point to sticking around.
Like his gene father he became a slave to his visions of the future.
Sounds to me like alpha legion might be involved
Night Lords are not broke they are the breakers. Pah to the weak who needs to be lead? Ave Dominus Nox.
Traitors deserve the fate of traitors.
So 8th legion “penal legion” basically
Wolf Lord Rho I love you man but I so so so wish youd have pronounced Uzas' name properly 😂 for those that dont know/ hate reading I'd reccomend the audio book. Fantastic narration.
its really odd hearing the words "abaddon" and "success" in the same sentence.
The night lords have no real direction anymore they don’t really know what they want there in a state of limbo
Spoilers for the Night Lords trilogy
They do now, if they follow Decimus!
Bring back Zso Sahaal.
"The great Games Workshop"...that hasnt aged well
Nah, they're just evil. They always were. Their primarch got stuck with a bunch of kids who liked skinning humans alive.
The primarch was like that way before they arrived on the scene, also the primarchs are said to be facets of the emperor's own personality.... If he created them and he condoned their usage ,to call the nightlords always evil is to question his faculites .... You wouldn't be suggesting that now would you?!
@@wiggy5209 Only kinda. He saved his skinning for gangsters and crime bosses. But he doesnt ever seem to have been the most stable.
@@peterc3262 Skinning humans alive irregardless of the reasoning is still wrong and came from the primarch first. They got stuck with him ...and then they evolved ....
@@peterc3262 As they Evolved so did he, going from skinning criminals to space wolves 👍
@@peterc3262 And saved his skinning for little kids who stole bread to feed a dying family before he met his legion. There was a reason everyone was scared of him and not just from the stories but the evidence.I don't think you know him as well as me ...
"uploaded 4 minutes ago"
Heh, new record...
It’s Ooooozaz not Uuuuuzaz
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@Leo Nidas Yep, it's happening
Night Lords are just like capitalism they never went bad, they are working just as expected
Sweet beautiful capitalism. All hail.
Even better, AnCap, they just split up a do whatever they want.
@Leo Nidas didn't sparta kinda..died?
UZAS DID NOTHING WRONG (I can’t write any more because of spoilers!)
@Leo Nidas my stand out characters who I started off hating but ended up , absolutely loving were uzas and Lucoryphus, Lucoryphus turned out to be the truest “friend” (if that exists for night lords) of all of them